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hey NndRomeo...my bottle of fish oil says:
omega 3 fatty acids: 350mg
- EPA 180mg
- DHA 120mg
- other omega 3 fatty acids: 20mg
so thats 350mg... not the 300mg that ur using. should i still go with 3pill/4x/day? or lessen it a tiny bit?
I think the "other omega 3 fatty acids" are ALA (which is almost not useful), but I'll add it in just in case it's not.
For the first week take a gram (which is 3 pills = 1,050 mg), then the next week do about 2 grams (6 pills = 2,100) , third week 3 grams ( 9 pills)... etc. =). Just go up slowly, make sure you feel normal, so when you go up, it will be gradual. Don't go above 4 grams though.
I'm not sure how long you've taken them but that's the general guideline for increasing slowly to monitor how you feel and monitor your change.
HTH!
okay thanks! so max i should take is 10 or 11 pills..
well its end of week 2 and i started taking 9 pills a few days ago. so far i feel fine....
i have a bag of flax seeds here that i bought... wondering if i should start eating some of them.. cuz they haev good fibre too.
okay thanks! so max i should take is 10 or 11 pills..well its end of week 2 and i started taking 9 pills a few days ago. so far i feel fine....
i have a bag of flax seeds here that i bought... wondering if i should start eating some of them.. cuz they haev good fibre too.
Great! I'm good you feel okay, because you normally should.
Hm about the flax, it will be your call, I don't really know if it will affect it or not (due to the omega 6 content), it may or may not, not too sure. I don't really see a harm in it, it could more often help, but I won't be the one to make a call since I'm not that educated on the experience first hand :think:
So what about fat people with baby smoothe skin.If diet is the main reason for acne, how is that explained?
thats because diet is not the main reason, genetics are but i bet if you gave that fat person some fish oil pills and they took like 6-15 a day they would start burning fat a little better and storing less of it.
i think everyones genetics has their own way of dealing with a crappy diet some people get fat other get acne and others get cancer or nothing until they are in old age, its all they way you have evolved and everyone has a different genetic heritage.
Have been on several courses of roaccutane, and after about a month or two, the acne is usually back, worse than before. Fortunately, I do not get any cystic acne, only whiteheads, and lots of them after the roaccutane. In December I started to take fish oil, but for some reason I stopped, not sure why. So I started again about 3 weeks ago after cotemplating whether I should go on another course (which I did not). And I'm glad to say that I am all clear and much less oily, but its still early days (awaiting the period when everything usually flares up). Also taking resveratrol and green tea extract + 4 grams of omega 3. The solgar brand is good, it contains 2,5 grams of omega 3 per dose of 4 pills, so I only take 3 in the morning and 3 at night. Omega 3 is great!!!so omega 3 got u pretty much clear?
accutane is my last resort... i have been trying everything holistic but its getting been disheartening to see mediocre results. my acne is mild, sometimes cystic though, but i go through clear phases and then breakout phases. but my face is covered in red marks so my skin always looks like crap even when im clear (which is kinda why i dont want accutane because it'll prolong the healing time for my red marks).
i am really hoping omega 3's will help, and the liver detoxing. when i went to the naturopath, he took a blood sample and showed me a microscopic view of my blood. it was cool, and i could see the problems directly. clumping of red-blood cells, indents... (caused by lack of enzymes and omega 3s) lots of spricules which indicate liver congestion/stress... cholesterol crystals and bacteria specks.... etc. so im hoping if i fix all these problems, my skin problems will go away.... *prays*
im also going to go back to cutting out grains... ESP refined... like white rice. i noticed that a few weeks back when i did this... my mood seemed to be more stable, and i would wake up with energy in the morning without needing an alarm clock. (not to mention my skin was better then too). i notice that if i eat refined sugars... i get VERY blahhhhh feeling right away and easily irritated.... hmmmm....
carbs are actually not essential to a healthy diet as all you need is protein and fat, just think of eskimo diets.
I would suggest you cut your carb intake and increase your saturated fat intake preferably from coconut products coconut milk, dried coconut, coconut cream etc. coconut cream and coconut milk are easy to buy canned in the ethnic food section of your grocery store and are inexpensive. Dairy is another way to get good saturated fat intake but dairy production standards these days are not the best unless you buy organic or raw. whole milk or cream cheese is a decent source of saturated fat.
carbs ARE necessary. your body cant just run off of protein and fat. i get most of my carbs from fruits tho. and what is ur source for saying i should increase saturated fats? sat fat = bad fats in large amounts... everyone knows u should eat less of it, because it increase chances of heart attacks and strokes...
Here is a statment from harvard, if that means anything at all these days.
The abstract acknowleges the fact that many of the dietary risks for cardiovascular disease are inconclusive, and that there is evidence to suggest that the current guidlines given to reduce your risks are in fact not really working so there is much more to it then just lowered saturated fat its also what types of fat arent in your diet such as polyunsaturated omega 3 from fish and low in carbohydrates.
And the abstract also recommends getting 30-40% of energy from fat so for a 2000 calorie diet thats 66-88 grams a day from fat, and nearly half of your total caloric intake.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...l=pubmed_DocSum
Omegas work for me. I've been taking them for a little over two years, and the few times that I ran out, I noticed my skin would get weird. I wasn't taking it for my skin, so it wasn't like I was looking for any kind of link, but for me, it is neccessary for good skin.
I have been taking cod liver oil for the past week and it hasn't helped. Then I saw this thread, ha! Now I know why it didn't work. Also, it has soy in it, and that messes with your hormones, I think.
Luckily, I have my omega pills back starting tonight. I'm glad.
Also, without my omegas my hair got super oily. Disgustingly oily....yuk. Oddly, my face didn't get oily, but dry. I'm by no means having acne, but my skin has gotten worse since I ran out of my omegas - exactly like it did the prior two times I ran out. I don't believe in coincidences.
By the way, I take about three grams daily. I use Nordic Naturals, which is expensive, but I believe it is very high quality.
I saw on the news that you can tell if your omega is good quality by putting it on a ceramic plate (after piercing it and squeezing its oil out) and placing it in the freezer for at least five hours. If it's slushy or frozen it's crap. Try it.
I haven't tried it on mine yet, because I hate to waste the darn pill!
Kudos to whomever started this thread! Great research and information. Thanks. 
For those in Canada who are taking omega 3...Where's a good place to find a cheap brand of omega 3?
I'm interested in doing a high dose but every place i've looked its around $20 for only 60 capsules.
So other than shopping online, anybody have any suggestions?
Yeah, I would like to know this too!
For those in Canada who are taking omega 3...Where's a good place to find a cheap brand of omega 3?
I'm interested in doing a high dose but every place i've looked its around $20 for only 60 capsules.
So other than shopping online, anybody have any suggestions?
Other than shopping online (like you mentioned), no one has mentioned anything yet that I can recall especially from canada, otherwise I would have tried finding it for you :(. I believe the best is on line too. One reason is that even after the shipping cost, it equals about the same or a little less than you will get it in stores (since stores also factor in the shipping cost). :think:
Omegas work for me. I've been taking them for a little over two years, and the few times that I ran out, I noticed my skin would get weird. I wasn't taking it for my skin, so it wasn't like I was looking for any kind of link, but for me, it is neccessary for good skin.I have been taking cod liver oil for the past week and it hasn't helped. Then I saw this thread, ha! Now I know why it didn't work. Also, it has soy in it, and that messes with your hormones, I think.
Luckily, I have my omega pills back starting tonight. I'm glad.
Also, without my omegas my hair got super oily. Disgustingly oily....yuk. Oddly, my face didn't get oily, but dry. I'm by no means having acne, but my skin has gotten worse since I ran out of my omegas - exactly like it did the prior two times I ran out. I don't believe in coincidences.
By the way, I take about three grams daily. I use Nordic Naturals, which is expensive, but I believe it is very high quality.
I saw on the news that you can tell if your omega is good quality by putting it on a ceramic plate (after piercing it and squeezing its oil out) and placing it in the freezer for at least five hours. If it's slushy or frozen it's crap. Try it.
I haven't tried it on mine yet, because I hate to waste the darn pill!
Kudos to whomever started this thread! Great research and information. Thanks. 🙂
I know what you mean, it's really interesting, especially because before my sebum had a distinct smell, it was very gunky. Very strange, almost like an oil slick. When I would get too oily, I would start smelling it, it was the smell of horror!
How much does your nordic naturals cost you for 3 grams daily? I eventually want to move on to liquid for maintenance dosages (if I get completely clear).
Also, after stopping omega 3's, how long does it take for you to start feeling that way? I want to see how fast it can act etc
I found this:
Effects of omega 3 fatty acids and vitamin E on hormones involved in carbohydrate and lipid metabolism in men.
Carbohydrate Nutrition Laboratory, BHNRC, USDA, MD 20705.
Forty healthy men were fed diets providing 40% of energy from fat and a minimum of 25 mg vitamin E for 28 wk. During the first 10 wk diets were supplemented with placebo, 15 g mixed fat/d. During the second 10 wk placebo was replaced by 15 g fish-oil concentrate/d. During the last 8 wk 200 mg vitamin E/d was added to fish oil. Compared with placebo, fish-oil feeding significantly increased plasma glucose and decreased triacylglycerol, insulin, glucagon, growth hormone, and somatomedin C. The changes in plasma cholesterol, cortisol, and dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate (DHEA-S) were not significant. Fish oil plus vitamin E further decreased insulin, growth hormone, and DHEA-S and reversed the effect of fish-oil on somatomedin C. The changes in glucose, glucagon, growth hormone, and cortisol were not significant. Thus, changes in plasma glucose and lipids caused by dietary fish oil alone and with fish oil plus vitamin E appear to be due to alterations in hormones involved in carbohydrate and lipid metabolism.
PMID: 1832814 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...p;dopt=Abstract
and caffeine pills each day. Will taking all these pills mess up my liver? lol
Why don't you drink coffee? Caffeine in isolation is not the greatest thing for you, but atleast with coffee there is debate on whether it is good for your liver because alcoholics who also drank coffee came out with less liver damage in a study...
Omegas work for me. I've been taking them for a little over two years, and the few times that I ran out, I noticed my skin would get weird. I wasn't taking it for my skin, so it wasn't like I was looking for any kind of link, but for me, it is neccessary for good skin.I have been taking cod liver oil for the past week and it hasn't helped. Then I saw this thread, ha! Now I know why it didn't work. Also, it has soy in it, and that messes with your hormones, I think.
Luckily, I have my omega pills back starting tonight. I'm glad.
Also, without my omegas my hair got super oily. Disgustingly oily....yuk. Oddly, my face didn't get oily, but dry. I'm by no means having acne, but my skin has gotten worse since I ran out of my omegas - exactly like it did the prior two times I ran out. I don't believe in coincidences.
By the way, I take about three grams daily. I use Nordic Naturals, which is expensive, but I believe it is very high quality.
I saw on the news that you can tell if your omega is good quality by putting it on a ceramic plate (after piercing it and squeezing its oil out) and placing it in the freezer for at least five hours. If it's slushy or frozen it's crap. Try it.
I haven't tried it on mine yet, because I hate to waste the darn pill!
Kudos to whomever started this thread! Great research and information. Thanks. 🙂
I know what you mean, it's really interesting, especially because before my sebum had a distinct smell, it was very gunky. Very strange, almost like an oil slick. When I would get too oily, I would start smelling it, it was the smell of horror!
How much does your nordic naturals cost you for 3 grams daily? I eventually want to move on to liquid for maintenance dosages (if I get completely clear).
Also, after stopping omega 3's, how long does it take for you to start feeling that way? I want to see how fast it can act etc
I used to have super oily skin prior to 'tane, so I feel your pain. "The smell of oil equals the smell of horror" made me laugh. That would be a good sig quote!
NN is expensive, and frankly I'm sick of it. I have to find a cheaper, but high quality alternative. It costs about $30 a bottle. Two pills equal 1.8 grams. Why do you want to move onto liquid?
It takes about 5-7 days to show an effect. At first I thought my acne was returning, but I thought, what have I changed? The only thing that was different three separate times is that I'd run out of omegas and was too lazy to go and get them (or poor, LOL). Its happened three times. Each time, same effect. Each time it cleared up when I resumed my omegas. That's enough of a correlation for me, especially since I never equated omegas with good skin initially. I only realized after I ran out the effect it has.
Has anyone tried the freezer test?
Omegas work for me. I've been taking them for a little over two years, and the few times that I ran out, I noticed my skin would get weird. I wasn't taking it for my skin, so it wasn't like I was looking for any kind of link, but for me, it is neccessary for good skin.I have been taking cod liver oil for the past week and it hasn't helped. Then I saw this thread, ha! Now I know why it didn't work. Also, it has soy in it, and that messes with your hormones, I think.
Luckily, I have my omega pills back starting tonight. I'm glad.
Also, without my omegas my hair got super oily. Disgustingly oily....yuk. Oddly, my face didn't get oily, but dry. I'm by no means having acne, but my skin has gotten worse since I ran out of my omegas - exactly like it did the prior two times I ran out. I don't believe in coincidences.
By the way, I take about three grams daily. I use Nordic Naturals, which is expensive, but I believe it is very high quality.
I saw on the news that you can tell if your omega is good quality by putting it on a ceramic plate (after piercing it and squeezing its oil out) and placing it in the freezer for at least five hours. If it's slushy or frozen it's crap. Try it.
I haven't tried it on mine yet, because I hate to waste the darn pill!
Kudos to whomever started this thread! Great research and information. Thanks. 🙂
I know what you mean, it's really interesting, especially because before my sebum had a distinct smell, it was very gunky. Very strange, almost like an oil slick. When I would get too oily, I would start smelling it, it was the smell of horror!
How much does your nordic naturals cost you for 3 grams daily? I eventually want to move on to liquid for maintenance dosages (if I get completely clear).
Also, after stopping omega 3's, how long does it take for you to start feeling that way? I want to see how fast it can act etc
I used to have super oily skin prior to 'tane, so I feel your pain. "The smell of oil equals the smell of horror" made me laugh. That would be a good sig quote!
NN is expensive and frankly I'm sick of it. I have to find a cheaper, but high quality alternative. It cost about $30 a bottle. Two pills equal 1.8 grams. Why do you want to move onto liquid?
It takes about 5-7 days to show an effect. At first I thought my acne was returning, but I thought, what have I changed? The only thing both times is that I'd run out of omegas and was too lazy to go and get them (or poor, LOL). Its happened three times. Each time, same effect. Each time it cleared up when I resumed my omegas. That's enough of a correlatin for me, especially since I never equated omegas with good skin initially. I only realized after I ran out the effect it has.
Has anyone tried the freezer test?
I would like to try the freezer test, could you explain it in a bit more detail? slushy or frozen sounds a bit vauge, what would good fish oil look like?
Ok, I would rather not read through 56 pages of information, so would you be able to answer my questions? 🙂1. Should I buy that brand of omegas that you mentioned in your first post (the very first post in this thread), or has anything changed since you made that post?
2. If I take the recommended 3 pills per day, how many grams is that? And will I still see positive results even if I'm not taking like 13 pills per day? The thought of taking 13 pills per day just scares me.
3. I also take a multivitamin, and caffeine pills each day. Will taking all these pills mess up my liver? lol
Nope, the first ones are really good, get them if you can!
It you take 3 pills, that is .9 grams a day of omega 3. And you can take that for the first week and see how you like it, you are free to raise it as you please 🙂 At least take 2 grams minimum eventually though. Read the portion of my thread that talks about being scared of taking 4 grams, hopefully that will put you at ease, and don't worry, it's a gradual increase.
I don't know about the caffeine pill, but the multi is fine
I used to have super oily skin prior to 'tane, so I feel your pain. "The smell of oil equals the smell of horror" made me laugh. That would be a good sig quote!NN is expensive, and frankly I'm sick of it. I have to find a cheaper, but high quality alternative. It costs about $30 a bottle. Two pills equal 1.8 grams. Why do you want to move onto liquid?
It takes about 5-7 days to show an effect. At first I thought my acne was returning, but I thought, what have I changed? The only thing that was different three separate times is that I'd run out of omegas and was too lazy to go and get them (or poor, LOL). Its happened three times. Each time, same effect. Each time it cleared up when I resumed my omegas. That's enough of a correlation for me, especially since I never equated omegas with good skin initially. I only realized after I ran out the effect it has.
Has anyone tried the freezer test?
Ouch, it does sound pricey! :think:
I want to move to liquid eventually because it would be easier taking 3 teaspoons a day instead of xx pills, even though it may be more pricey so I'll see.
Thanks 🙂 No wonder it was working, haha! I haven't tried the freezer test, but I do bite into them and do the rancid test that way, but if you guys try it let me know what happens!
Sometimes I want them to regulate supplements. I can't help but wonder if the "Vitamin C" I buy is really vitamin C at all, how pure it is...you get my drift. Sometimes I feel I'm being duped! That pisses me off! I spend a fortune for what is supposed to be high quality stuff and it could be all rice powder for christ's sakes!Make no mistake, these supplement honchos are just as whorish as the drug companies. Someone needs to take up our rights to know what we get is in fact what we paid for and safe. I don't think they should be pulled. I think they should be regulated like any other OTC product.
Did you know they have pharmaceutical grade omegas? I'd sure like to get my hands on that stuff. It would be like pharmaceutical grade cocaine - pure, and you know what you're getting. I don't do cocaine, but it's a good analogy.
Ok - you got me thinking! 😀 I quoted this f/the other thread since my response is fih oil related:
There are three grades of fish oil. The first is cod liver oil. The second is health-food grade fish oil. And finally there is ultra-refined fish oil. What distinguishes one from another is the purity and concentration of the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. More importantly, the long-term use of any fish oil is compromised by its impact on the gastric system which ultimately determines the amounts that you can take. Each step in the refining process adds additional cost to the final product, but the increased purity justifies the cost and the benefits.Cod Liver Oil
This is the lowest quality fish oil since it has a low concentration of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids and contains the highest levels of contaminants (organic mercury, PCB's, and DDT). In addition, high-dose usage of cod liver oil is not recommended due to the high levels of Vitamin A found in this form of fish oil. Typically, a tablespoon of cod liver oil contains approximately 2.5 grams of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. Although this is the most inexpensive form of fish oil, long-term compliance is exceptionally poor because of its taste profile.
Health Food-grade Fish Oils
The levels of contaminants in fish oils is often determined by the size of the fish and their relative rank in the food chain. Small fish (such as sardines and anchovies) are short-lived and therefore are less prone to accumulate environmental pollutants. On the other hand, larger fish such as salmon and mackerel are predatory species that are long-lived and therefore contain higher levels of pollutants. Most health-food grade fish oils are fish body oils extracted from the fish. If the label says it comes from a particular species of fish (i.e. salmon oil) then you know it is a health-food grade fish oil. These oils are only sold in soft gelatin capsules because they still have an extremely poor taste profile (to see why, simply bite into a capsule to release the oil). A slightly more purified type of health food grade fish oil includes those that have been subjected to a very limited amount of molecular distillation to remove some of the cholesterol in order to be labeled 'cholesterol-free'. A typical one-gram capsule of health-food grade fish oil contains approximately 300 mg. of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. Another type of higher-grade health-food fish oil is known as "fish oil concentrate". This type of fish oil consists of ethyl esters of the fish oil that has been subjected to fractional cooling. The more saturated fats will solidify, leaving behind a more concentrated solution of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. However, this fractional cooling does not remove the PCB's or the long-chain monoene fatty acids that give rise to significant gastric distress. A one-gram capsule of this thermally fractionated health-food grade fish oil will contain up to 500 mg. of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids.
Health-food grade fish oils are acceptable in small amounts (no more than 3-4 capsules per day) without inducing significant gastric problems. However, higher doses require a much more purified type of oil; ultra-refined fish oil.
Ultra-Refined Fish Oil
Ultra-refined fish oil starts with thermally fractionated health-food fish oil that is then distilled by highly complex refining technology into fractions rich in long-chain omega-3 fatty acids that are exceptionally low in the long-chain monoenes (that cause gastric distress) and pollutants such as PCB's and oxidized and polymerized lipids. The individual fractions are then combined to provide the most appropriate balance of EPA and DHA for the finished oil. The typical one-gram capsule of ultra-refined fish oil will have at least 600 mg. of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. This may not seem a major concentration improvement compared to the health-food grade fish oils, however, the increase in the purity of the oil is why it costs nearly twice as much. This purity is also reflected in a dramatically improved taste profile.
Only ultra-refined fish oils enable you to consume the required daily intake of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids needed to alter eicosanoid synthesis without gastric distress or fear of accumulation of environmental pollutants.
Note: Vitamin E is often included in fish oils as a preservative. At low levels, approximately 5 I.U./gram of fish oil, it is protective. At higher levels, such as 20 I.U./gram of fish oil, it can actually speed up the oxidative process.
According to this I am consuming Ultra-Refined fish oil
Acne and hormonesOne of the main factors causing acne is the excess of hormones in our body.When our hormones are out of balance they send signals to our glands so they can produce excessive amounts of oil in order to adjust the balance.During teenage times the Androgen hormone levels are spiking. This causes an excess sebum oil production in our glands which at the end of its pathway clogs our hair follicles and thus contributes to creating acne.Why getting sufficient essential fatty acids(EFA) is important in clearing acne?EFA's help control the production of the above mentioned androgens thus achieving hormonal balance in our body.When ones body has deficit essential fatty acids, s/he will have:- A weaken immune system- More inflammation- Poor skin- Skin eruptions that wonat heal easily- Increased sebum production- Increase in Sebaceous glands size. I would like to recommend having hormonal tests before trying to balance your hormones. According to results you'll see what needs...
Reading things like that really keeps me confident that the results are not all in my head 😆
Sometimes I want them to regulate supplements. I can't help but wonder if the "Vitamin C" I buy is really vitamin C at all, how pure it is...you get my drift. Sometimes I feel I'm being duped! That pisses me off! I spend a fortune for what is supposed to be high quality stuff and it could be all rice powder for christ's sakes!Make no mistake, these supplement honchos are just as whorish as the drug companies. Someone needs to take up our rights to know what we get is in fact what we paid for and safe. I don't think they should be pulled. I think they should be regulated like any other OTC product.
Did you know they have pharmaceutical grade omegas? I'd sure like to get my hands on that stuff. It would be like pharmaceutical grade cocaine - pure, and you know what you're getting. I don't do cocaine, but it's a good analogy.
Ok - you got me thinking! 😀 I quoted this f/the other thread since my response is fih oil related:
There are three grades of fish oil. The first is cod liver oil. The second is health-food grade fish oil. And finally there is ultra-refined fish oil. What distinguishes one from another is the purity and concentration of the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. More importantly, the long-term use of any fish oil is compromised by its impact on the gastric system which ultimately determines the amounts that you can take. Each step in the refining process adds additional cost to the final product, but the increased purity justifies the cost and the benefits.Cod Liver Oil
This is the lowest quality fish oil since it has a low concentration of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids and contains the highest levels of contaminants (organic mercury, PCB's, and DDT). In addition, high-dose usage of cod liver oil is not recommended due to the high levels of Vitamin A found in this form of fish oil. Typically, a tablespoon of cod liver oil contains approximately 2.5 grams of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. Although this is the most inexpensive form of fish oil, long-term compliance is exceptionally poor because of its taste profile.
Health Food-grade Fish Oils
The levels of contaminants in fish oils is often determined by the size of the fish and their relative rank in the food chain. Small fish (such as sardines and anchovies) are short-lived and therefore are less prone to accumulate environmental pollutants. On the other hand, larger fish such as salmon and mackerel are predatory species that are long-lived and therefore contain higher levels of pollutants. Most health-food grade fish oils are fish body oils extracted from the fish. If the label says it comes from a particular species of fish (i.e. salmon oil) then you know it is a health-food grade fish oil. These oils are only sold in soft gelatin capsules because they still have an extremely poor taste profile (to see why, simply bite into a capsule to release the oil). A slightly more purified type of health food grade fish oil includes those that have been subjected to a very limited amount of molecular distillation to remove some of the cholesterol in order to be labeled 'cholesterol-free'. A typical one-gram capsule of health-food grade fish oil contains approximately 300 mg. of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. Another type of higher-grade health-food fish oil is known as "fish oil concentrate". This type of fish oil consists of ethyl esters of the fish oil that has been subjected to fractional cooling. The more saturated fats will solidify, leaving behind a more concentrated solution of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. However, this fractional cooling does not remove the PCB's or the long-chain monoene fatty acids that give rise to significant gastric distress. A one-gram capsule of this thermally fractionated health-food grade fish oil will contain up to 500 mg. of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids.
Health-food grade fish oils are acceptable in small amounts (no more than 3-4 capsules per day) without inducing significant gastric problems. However, higher doses require a much more purified type of oil; ultra-refined fish oil.
Ultra-Refined Fish Oil
Ultra-refined fish oil starts with thermally fractionated health-food fish oil that is then distilled by highly complex refining technology into fractions rich in long-chain omega-3 fatty acids that are exceptionally low in the long-chain monoenes (that cause gastric distress) and pollutants such as PCB's and oxidized and polymerized lipids. The individual fractions are then combined to provide the most appropriate balance of EPA and DHA for the finished oil. The typical one-gram capsule of ultra-refined fish oil will have at least 600 mg. of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. This may not seem a major concentration improvement compared to the health-food grade fish oils, however, the increase in the purity of the oil is why it costs nearly twice as much. This purity is also reflected in a dramatically improved taste profile.
Only ultra-refined fish oils enable you to consume the required daily intake of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids needed to alter eicosanoid synthesis without gastric distress or fear of accumulation of environmental pollutants.
Note: Vitamin E is often included in fish oils as a preservative. At low levels, approximately 5 I.U./gram of fish oil, it is protective. At higher levels, such as 20 I.U./gram of fish oil, it can actually speed up the oxidative process.
According to this I am consuming Ultra-Refined fish oil
Which brand so you use? How do you know it's the ultra-refined quality?
Ok, I would rather not read through 56 pages of information, so would you be able to answer my questions? 🙂1. Should I buy that brand of omegas that you mentioned in your first post (the very first post in this thread), or has anything changed since you made that post?
2. If I take the recommended 3 pills per day, how many grams is that? And will I still see positive results even if I'm not taking like 13 pills per day? The thought of taking 13 pills per day just scares me.
3. I also take a multivitamin, and caffeine pills each day. Will taking all these pills mess up my liver? lol
Nope, the first ones are really good, get them if you can!
It you take 3 pills, that is .9 grams a day of omega 3. And you can take that for the first week and see how you like it, you are free to raise it as you please 🙂 At least take 2 grams minimum eventually though. Read the portion of my thread that talks about being scared of taking 4 grams, hopefully that will put you at ease, and don't worry, it's a gradual increase.
I don't know about the caffeine pill, but the multi is fine
I used to have super oily skin prior to 'tane, so I feel your pain. "The smell of oil equals the smell of horror" made me laugh. That would be a good sig quote!NN is expensive, and frankly I'm sick of it. I have to find a cheaper, but high quality alternative. It costs about $30 a bottle. Two pills equal 1.8 grams. Why do you want to move onto liquid?
It takes about 5-7 days to show an effect. At first I thought my acne was returning, but I thought, what have I changed? The only thing that was different three separate times is that I'd run out of omegas and was too lazy to go and get them (or poor, LOL). Its happened three times. Each time, same effect. Each time it cleared up when I resumed my omegas. That's enough of a correlation for me, especially since I never equated omegas with good skin initially. I only realized after I ran out the effect it has.
Has anyone tried the freezer test?
Ouch, it does sound pricey! :think:
I want to move to liquid eventually because it would be easier taking 3 teaspoons a day instead of xx pills, even though it may be more pricey so I'll see.
Thanks 🙂 No wonder it was working, haha! I haven't tried the freezer test, but I do bite into them and do the rancid test that way, but if you guys try it let me know what happens!
Ugh, it IS pricey.
Nobody wants to waste a pill on the freezer test; we're like a bunch of junkies!
Sometimes I want them to regulate supplements. I can't help but wonder if the "Vitamin C" I buy is really vitamin C at all, how pure it is...you get my drift. Sometimes I feel I'm being duped! That pisses me off! I spend a fortune for what is supposed to be high quality stuff and it could be all rice powder for christ's sakes!Make no mistake, these supplement honchos are just as whorish as the drug companies. Someone needs to take up our rights to know what we get is in fact what we paid for and safe. I don't think they should be pulled. I think they should be regulated like any other OTC product.
Did you know they have pharmaceutical grade omegas? I'd sure like to get my hands on that stuff. It would be like pharmaceutical grade cocaine - pure, and you know what you're getting. I don't do cocaine, but it's a good analogy.
Ok - you got me thinking! 😀 I quoted this f/the other thread since my response is fih oil related:
There are three grades of fish oil. The first is cod liver oil. The second is health-food grade fish oil. And finally there is ultra-refined fish oil. What distinguishes one from another is the purity and concentration of the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. More importantly, the long-term use of any fish oil is compromised by its impact on the gastric system which ultimately determines the amounts that you can take. Each step in the refining process adds additional cost to the final product, but the increased purity justifies the cost and the benefits.Cod Liver Oil
This is the lowest quality fish oil since it has a low concentration of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids and contains the highest levels of contaminants (organic mercury, PCB's, and DDT). In addition, high-dose usage of cod liver oil is not recommended due to the high levels of Vitamin A found in this form of fish oil. Typically, a tablespoon of cod liver oil contains approximately 2.5 grams of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. Although this is the most inexpensive form of fish oil, long-term compliance is exceptionally poor because of its taste profile.
Health Food-grade Fish Oils
The levels of contaminants in fish oils is often determined by the size of the fish and their relative rank in the food chain. Small fish (such as sardines and anchovies) are short-lived and therefore are less prone to accumulate environmental pollutants. On the other hand, larger fish such as salmon and mackerel are predatory species that are long-lived and therefore contain higher levels of pollutants. Most health-food grade fish oils are fish body oils extracted from the fish. If the label says it comes from a particular species of fish (i.e. salmon oil) then you know it is a health-food grade fish oil. These oils are only sold in soft gelatin capsules because they still have an extremely poor taste profile (to see why, simply bite into a capsule to release the oil). A slightly more purified type of health food grade fish oil includes those that have been subjected to a very limited amount of molecular distillation to remove some of the cholesterol in order to be labeled 'cholesterol-free'. A typical one-gram capsule of health-food grade fish oil contains approximately 300 mg. of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. Another type of higher-grade health-food fish oil is known as "fish oil concentrate". This type of fish oil consists of ethyl esters of the fish oil that has been subjected to fractional cooling. The more saturated fats will solidify, leaving behind a more concentrated solution of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. However, this fractional cooling does not remove the PCB's or the long-chain monoene fatty acids that give rise to significant gastric distress. A one-gram capsule of this thermally fractionated health-food grade fish oil will contain up to 500 mg. of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids.
Health-food grade fish oils are acceptable in small amounts (no more than 3-4 capsules per day) without inducing significant gastric problems. However, higher doses require a much more purified type of oil; ultra-refined fish oil.
Ultra-Refined Fish Oil
Ultra-refined fish oil starts with thermally fractionated health-food fish oil that is then distilled by highly complex refining technology into fractions rich in long-chain omega-3 fatty acids that are exceptionally low in the long-chain monoenes (that cause gastric distress) and pollutants such as PCB's and oxidized and polymerized lipids. The individual fractions are then combined to provide the most appropriate balance of EPA and DHA for the finished oil. The typical one-gram capsule of ultra-refined fish oil will have at least 600 mg. of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. This may not seem a major concentration improvement compared to the health-food grade fish oils, however, the increase in the purity of the oil is why it costs nearly twice as much. This purity is also reflected in a dramatically improved taste profile.
Only ultra-refined fish oils enable you to consume the required daily intake of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids needed to alter eicosanoid synthesis without gastric distress or fear of accumulation of environmental pollutants.
Note: Vitamin E is often included in fish oils as a preservative. At low levels, approximately 5 I.U./gram of fish oil, it is protective. At higher levels, such as 20 I.U./gram of fish oil, it can actually speed up the oxidative process.
According to this I am consuming Ultra-Refined fish oil
Which brand so you use? How do you know it's the ultra-refined quality?
I use Carlson Super Omega-3 Fish Oil Concentrate. On the label:
THIS PRODUCT is regularly tested (using AOAC international protocols) for freshness, potency and purity by an independent, FDA-registered laboratory and has been determined to be fresh, fully potent and free of detectable levels of mercury, cadmium, lead, PCB's and 28 other contaminants.
I believe your Nordic Natural are far superior though - I'm trying to convince my health food store to carry them for me. From the Nordic site:
Exceeds International Pharmaceutical Standards - Standards are set to protect consumersFish oil quality standards do not exist in the United States. To ensure ongoing quality, Nordic Naturals adheres to and exceeds the stringent Norwegian Medicinal Standard (NMS) and the European Pharmacopoeia Standard (EPS) for all products. These standards guarantee quality products by setting maximum allowances on peroxides, heavy metals, dioxins, furans, and PCBs.
Exceptional Freshness Levels
Freshness, which ensures product integrity and biological efficacy, may be the single most important quality of fish oils. Nordic Naturals patented, oxygen-free manufacturing process delivers peroxide values (indicators of freshness) down to absolute 0.0 mEq/kg, with an average of 0.75 mEq/kg or approximately 14 times below the Norwegian Medicinal Standard and European Pharmacopoeia Standard limits. The lower the peroxide value, the fresher the fish oil.
Exceptional Purity Levels - Purity is a significant concern among fish oil consumers
Nordic Naturals raw material is harvested from some of the cleanest waters in the world, and is tested by independent laboratories for heavy metals and over 210 other environmental contaminants.
Award-Winning Taste
The key objections to taking fish oils are taste and aftertaste. Nordic Naturals utilizes a proprietary enzymatic process to ensure a completely repeat-free product. Our patented manufacturing process adds natural fruit essences into both the capsule and oil for a light, fruity taste.
Acne and hormonesOne of the main factors causing acne is the excess of hormones in our body.When our hormones are out of balance they send signals to our glands so they can produce excessive amounts of oil in order to adjust the balance.During teenage times the Androgen hormone levels are spiking. This causes an excess sebum oil production in our glands which at the end of its pathway clogs our hair follicles and thus contributes to creating acne.Why getting sufficient essential fatty acids(EFA) is important in clearing acne?EFA's help control the production of the above mentioned androgens thus achieving hormonal balance in our body.When ones body has deficit essential fatty acids, s/he will have:- A weaken immune system- More inflammation- Poor skin- Skin eruptions that wonat heal easily- Increased sebum production- Increase in Sebaceous glands size. I would like to recommend having hormonal tests before trying to balance your hormones. According to results you'll see what needs...Reading things like that really keeps me confident that the results are not all in my head 😆
http://www.blogtoplist.com/internet/blogdetails-1787.html
I'm sure you've thought before like i have that maybe this is like B5 and we're going to need to megadose.
4 grams a day is about 2 medium salmon servings a day. Now maybe that was enough omega 3 back in the day, so to speak. But now we have a whole load more omega 6 and glycemic load coming in from our western diet that maybe we are going to need to up the dosage as we not only need to replicate our caveman omega 3 input but we also need to counter our western omega 6 input (and sugary substances).
I am on 2.7 grams atm and am going to keep increasing until i reach about 4 grams. I think though if i don't get full results after doing that for a month then it may be time to take a leaf out of B5s book.
Thoughts?
THIS PRODUCT is regularly tested (using AOAC international protocols) for freshness, potency and purity by an independent, FDA-registered laboratory and has been determined to be fresh, fully potent and free of detectable levels of mercury, cadmium, lead, PCB's and 28 other contaminants.
Exceeds International Pharmaceutical Standards - Standards are set to protect consumersFish oil quality standards do not exist in the United States. To ensure ongoing quality, Nordic Naturals adheres to and exceeds the stringent Norwegian Medicinal Standard (NMS) and the European Pharmacopoeia Standard (EPS) for all products. These standards guarantee quality products by setting maximum allowances on peroxides, heavy metals, dioxins, furans, and PCBs.
Gotta love the labelling and things that companies say about their supplements. I assume the AOAC is an American standard and as usual they say international even though i've not heard much about them on this side of the pond - maybe other parts of the world? Almost every country seems to have their own levels of safety for things like contamination in food or supplements (even if they don't have specific ones for Omega 3), as in Europe most countries have their own plus the EU ones on top.
I'm also not sure what the "International Pharmaceutical Standards" are - is it something todo with FIP (International Pharmaceutical Federation) or is it just something they say - who sets the standards and what are they? *Update* After spending a long time on their website it appears that by "International Pharmaceutical Standards" they mean "Norwegian Medicinal Standard" (NMS) and the "European Pharmacopoeia Standard" (EPS) - i really don't like it when companies stick "International" on everything when it's not.
As for the "stringent Norwegian Medicinal Standard" as specified on the nordic naturals website doesn't seem as stringent as the Belgium maximum levels and is exactly the same as the European standard where the European standard actually has specified a limit. So i guess the term "stringent" depends on what you compare it against. i know the European standards and they are quiet different to any other standards, and fairly lax as far as i'm concerned, with some toxins having no maximum level set and some with what i consider to be fairly high levels - i have no idea why this is, but it's europe and thats just how it is.
You might find it interesting to know that in 2002 (with an update in 2006) the CRN came up with a voluntary standard for Omega 3 supplements and Nordic Naturals took part in creating the standard - yet they don't seem to say compliance to the standard, as surely the point of making this standard was making sure that we all get the best quality lowest contaminated omega 3.
CRN Omega 3 Voluntary Standard
I don't think you can go just by price either, just because it costs more doesn't mean it's better. As with all supplements, I just try to pick a decent brand, one that i hope will do the best at not poisoning me 😆
Dave
Acne and hormonesOne of the main factors causing acne is the excess of hormones in our body.When our hormones are out of balance they send signals to our glands so they can produce excessive amounts of oil in order to adjust the balance.During teenage times the Androgen hormone levels are spiking. This causes an excess sebum oil production in our glands which at the end of its pathway clogs our hair follicles and thus contributes to creating acne.Why getting sufficient essential fatty acids(EFA) is important in clearing acne?EFA's help control the production of the above mentioned androgens thus achieving hormonal balance in our body.When ones body has deficit essential fatty acids, s/he will have:- A weaken immune system- More inflammation- Poor skin- Skin eruptions that wonat heal easily- Increased sebum production- Increase in Sebaceous glands size. I would like to recommend having hormonal tests before trying to balance your hormones. According to results you'll see what needs...Reading things like that really keeps me confident that the results are not all in my head 😆
http://www.blogtoplist.com/internet/blogdetails-1787.html
I'm sure you've thought before like i have that maybe this is like B5 and we're going to need to megadose.
4 grams a day is about 2 medium salmon servings a day. Now maybe that was enough omega 3 back in the day, so to speak. But now we have a whole load more omega 6 and glycemic load coming in from our western diet that maybe we are going to need to up the dosage as we not only need to replicate our caveman omega 3 input but we also need to counter our western omega 6 input (and sugary substances).
I am on 2.7 grams atm and am going to keep increasing until i reach about 4 grams. I think though if i don't get full results after doing that for a month then it may be time to take a leaf out of B5s book.
Thoughts?
Hm...
b5 is much different and it's an unhealthy practice. It works in unhealthy ways so the practice cannot equate to the same directions for fish oil.
The good thing about omega 3 is that it is versatile with little-no negative side effects and a ridiculous amount of positive effects. I think 4 grams is good for another reason; Most of our diets will range of how much omega 6 we get. I get under 2 grams of omega 6 daily now, and 2x that much omega 3, so any deficiency will be totally gone within 3 months time (I am more than half way there), so wait for three months on 4 grams. If by then you still have acne, keep taking omega 3 (as you will have a surplus in your body) but look to other parts of your regimen to fix, perhaps addition of zinc, etc. That should work :think:
I just wish we had a time machine to travel in the future!