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(@oceanmist)

Posted : 04/17/2007 6:33 pm

^thanks. yep Vit E supplements are derived from soy plants. so i think i am going to try out flax seeds for now though. i am trying to cut out all soy from my diet (which is really hard, considering soy products are like in EVERYTHING)

 

 

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(@ami24)

Posted : 04/17/2007 6:37 pm

Just wanted to throw in this related item, i was reading my May issue of SHAPE and a they were talking omega 3's for skin and a doctor (sorry cant remember name) recommended up to 3.5g of fish oil for really beneficial results. what's recommended for a healthy heart is a mere 1.3g i believe.

 

i just bought some extra strength fish oil (900mg combined of EPA & DHAs when you take 2 pills) versus my regular strength (600mg from 2 pills). basically i'm ecstatic cause it means less pill popping for me! NdnRomeo, i suck at math, how many of the extra strength pills do i take to equal 3 grams? :think:

 

 

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 04/17/2007 6:51 pm

Just wanted to throw in this related item, i was reading my May issue of SHAPE and a they were talking omega 3's for skin and a doctor (sorry cant remember name) recommended up to 3.5g of fish oil for really beneficial results. what's recommended for a healthy heart is a mere 1.3g i believe.

i just bought some extra strength fish oil (900mg combined of EPA & DHAs when you take 2 pills) versus my regular strength (600mg from 2 pills). basically i'm ecstatic cause it means less pill popping for me! NdnRomeo, i suck at math, how many of the extra strength pills do i take to equal 3 grams? :think:

Thank you! What a great post :)! I knew I was doing this right! When you do something right, you can just see it, it's so cool! Thank God I went from 1.8 grams just a few weeks ago to 4.2, and the results follow!

Nice! 😀

Hm, as long as you can afford it go for it, I can't, but find it cheaper in terms of how many grams of fish oil per dollar with the member's mark brand over the extra strength one. Which brand are they?

900 for 2 pills.. equals 450 per pill... so, 7 x 450 (per pill) will get you 3.1 grams. Eventually raise it to get to 4 grams, you'll start benefiting a lot more. But be slow at the increase, just in case.

 

^thanks. yep Vit E supplements are derived from soy plants. so i think i am going to try out flax seeds for now though. i am trying to cut out all soy from my diet (which is really hard, considering soy products are like in EVERYTHING)

Ah I see, you may find success from flax too, I hope you do, because you are trying to cut out soy. Have you heard of hemp seed? Someone had success with those too. Just take EFA's, and take lots of it! And stay in 6th gear for 2 months minimum. I wish I had done that to start off, but I started off so low =(, only now am I at the optimal level.

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 04/17/2007 10:32 pm

Hey Janey, I'm confused as to why you quoted the whole thing, could you please edit it to avoid clutter :) Thanks!

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Posted : 04/18/2007 2:19 am

I read the very first page of this thread, and didn't want to read through all 47 pages haha :P

 

So can someone tell me, how well does this work? And can I get the omega 3 from actual foods rather than pills? And is it safe to take while on accutane?

 

And also, does it work better for a particular type of acne?

 

Thanksa for all your time!

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 04/18/2007 12:14 pm

I read the very first page of this thread, and didn't want to read through all 47 pages haha 😛

So can someone tell me, how well does this work? And can I get the omega 3 from actual foods rather than pills? And is it safe to take while on accutane?

And also, does it work better for a particular type of acne?

Thanksa for all your time!

The first post didn't answer how well it works? (in terms of all that info).

As for the foods, no it's not possible, unless you want to risk mercury poisoning. You can try, but it will be quite pricey and time consuming as well. Most people recommend taking omega 3 supplements no matter what.

I'm not sure about accutane, I don't see why not, but you can ask your doc in case, he may be happy to tell you about it.

It works best on all kinds of acne, due to the nature of acne and how it starts/works.

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(@wibble)

Posted : 04/18/2007 5:31 pm

No offense, but has actually even one single person got properly clear from fish oil? I read loads of posts, but then I see the same people in different threads still talking about their acne! So are people clear or are they not ?

 

I don't doubt fish oil may well be beneficial for health and worth taking still (I do!), but it seems a tad odd that its very vague if its even helping with so many posts. Doesn't help me in the slightest with oil production or acne. Only things that have helped are accutane and B5 so far still, and fish oil isnt cheap in the quantities people are taking.

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(@jm123)

Posted : 04/18/2007 5:41 pm

I read the very first page of this thread, and didn't want to read through all 47 pages haha 😛

So can someone tell me, how well does this work? And can I get the omega 3 from actual foods rather than pills? And is it safe to take while on accutane?

And also, does it work better for a particular type of acne?

Thanksa for all your time!

The first post didn't answer how well it works? (in terms of all that info).

As for the foods, no it's not possible, unless you want to risk mercury poisoning. You can try, but it will be quite pricey and time consuming as well. Most people recommend taking omega 3 supplements no matter what.

I'm not sure about accutane, I don't see why not, but you can ask your doc in case, he may be happy to tell you about it.

It works best on all kinds of acne, due to the nature of acne and how it starts/works.

 

no, the first post didn't answer my question, it didn't say how well this has worked personally for anyone. I was mroe looking for peoples experience with it rather than the nutritional info etc.

What about walnuts? I heard they are very good.

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Posted : 04/18/2007 6:10 pm

No offense, but has actually even one single person got properly clear from fish oil? I read loads of posts, but then I see the same people in different threads still talking about their acne! So are people clear or are they not ?

I don't doubt fish oil may well be beneficial for health and worth taking still (I do!), but it seems a tad odd that its very vague if its even helping with so many posts. Doesn't help me in the slightest with oil production or acne. Only things that have helped are accutane and B5 so far still, and fish oil isnt cheap in the quantities people are taking.

2 months, is what we're on, which is too soon. You must understand, real change within the body doesn't happen in a couple of weeks. It takes months since our body has been in such a huge deficit for years, it takes at least a few months to get back to equilibrium starting at high dosages, but as far as results, I haven't had a white head in a month (I had a few a week), and my oil has reduced, and my skin actually is normal. I don't go about worrying about my face much anymore and oil is hardly a bother. What do I have left? Some clogged pores, and blemishes. It's a progressive change, but it's apparent it's happening. I don't doubt it, if that's what you want to know.

So no, I am not clear, and I don't know if I will be, but as far as results (as I'm just trying to see what time brings), they happen and continually do so. Just give it more time, and you will have your complete answer.

It is the equivalent of someone trying to lose a 100 pounds. Can they do so in 2 months? No, not naturally. But have they lost a good amount of weight? Yes, but they still need more time =)

Also, remember, most studies done on people are done over a course of 16 weeks normally (the clinical double blinded studies you see where they monitor results 1 week in, 2 weeks in, 4, 8, then 16). So give me more time, also by then other people may also have proof for you. But the problem is people usually won't want to do something for a few months, but want results faster. So it's hard to see if someone consistently does it and provides results that reflect upon the consistency.

But come back in a month and I will tell you if I am any better than I am right now (I hope so). If not then, at least I gave it a fair try and reduced alot of my acne, I can then try to find other methods to incorporate into this. Like right now, I'm trying to see if I can find a way to boost absorption of omega 3 etc.

Hope that helped.

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Posted : 04/18/2007 6:17 pm

no, the first post didn't answer my question, it didn't say how well this has worked personally for anyone. I was mroe looking for peoples experience with it rather than the nutritional info etc.

 

What about walnuts? I heard they are very good.

 

Oh I see, my mistake. I can't vouch for anyone else, but you can read what I wrote up there, maybe that will help ^.

 

I'm still seeing what time brings, each week is better than the last, and it's gradual, and over the course of two months looking back, it's very apparent and obvious. Hopefully within the next two months, I can look back and see another huge jump (hopefully clarity). I am going to give it a total of 6 months to see what happens in full. I know, it seems long, but I am aware of a few things... that the body takes time to develop massive change. And omega 3 full benefits are said to happen at month 3 with results increasing between start to then (which it is) so I have a month to go, I seem to be right on course. 2/3 of the way there, and the results so far are a reflection of it.

 

If you would like, do not start doing it till you see anyone else who has benefited from it in full, or has taken the full course in time to see what it brings. It can save you time and money, by watching us and seeing what happens.

 

Sorry I couldn't be more of any help, or say that I am clear, but do give us more time =). I also do know, that the first month, I took under 2 grams (1.8 grams) instead of being at a level of 4 grams steadily (which started recently). So we'll see what that brings as well over time.

 

 

As for walnuts,

 

Total Omega-3 fatty acids 10623 mg

Total Omega-6 fatty acids 44567 mg

 

That's for a cup, but as you can see, the omega 6 content is really high, so it would beat the point of it =(

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(@self-conscious)

Posted : 04/18/2007 8:28 pm

I will be starting Romeo's regimen as soon as all the stuff I need gets here. Everything looks good to me. :)

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(@cyph31)

Posted : 04/18/2007 10:10 pm

to wibble:

 

if excessive thick sebum production is the main cause of your acne (comedonal) then frequent fish oil/cod liver oil supplementation should help you (as it did for me) at least prevent any serious new breakouts

 

if that isn't a significant cause of your acne then maybe your face won't benefit as much but EPA and DHA are vital for so much more than just skin

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Posted : 04/18/2007 10:31 pm

I want to point you guys to this:

 

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php?showtopic=150014

 

A really great way of boosting the absorption of omega 3's. I am going to additionally supplement with lecithin to see how much better this works. 4.2 grams of omega 3 + letichin should be an awesome combination and speed it up even faster.

 

I am going to wait to actually do this because I may not need it. Since I just increased my dose to 4.2 grams just a few days ago (perhaps a week) as opposed to just 3 grams (even that I did it for a week or so), so I'll wait and see.

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Posted : 04/18/2007 11:33 pm

In terms of how long it takes for effects of fish oil, depending upon your actual issue, it varies in time (I've noticed). But for things like mental situations, it takes up to 6 months

 

http://www.babycrowd.com/forums/ADHD/Fish_oils_omega_3_/

 

It could take anything upto 6 months, but with our son we noticed in a couple of months. It really does work and its more of a natural way, I guessing because fish high oils are brain food and adhd is a chemical inbalance in the brain. I would try it, it is not expensive either.

 

As you can see, they are talking about ADHD, obviously a different topic, but it just goes to show that it takes time

 

after some time (the body has to build up a supply of it) it does take effect.

 

So we're still in the baby phases. Results already show, and it will just continue to increase. But no one should be quick to judge that it doesn't work or many any conclusions like that, let's just keep trucking.

 

Here's another link talking about horses

 

http://www.wellpride.com/faq.details.php?faqid=19

 

Into month 4 you still see more effects.

 

Much like a field planted with a crop will take time to make it to the dinner table, so will it take time for you to see the full benefit of adding omega-3

 

And also, for prevention of disease, results are seen after 3 months.

 

Benefits have been reported after 3 months of use

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fish-oil/NS_patient-fishoil

 

So it's safe to say we still have a while to go to see more results.

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Posted : 04/19/2007 12:14 am

I think this would be a nice place to chime in about my on-going experience with fish oil.

 

My first impression was that this would end up like my time with b5/vilantae (total failure), yet I decided to go along with it since fish oil has other health benefits besides helping the skin.

 

I've been taking fish oil for about a month. I started out with 1000 mg, and worked my way up to 3000 mg. I don't plan to ever take more than that amount in a day.

 

I still have quite oily skin, but I definitely noticed a change in the way it feels and looks. It used to be very thick and hard - It used to feel like slime on my face and looked like creamy stuff on my oil blotting sheets. Now it is very fluid - very wet, for lack of better word. It looks like I'm blotting water as opposed to oil.

 

I've noticed a slight decrease in my oil. I used to use up a complete sheet (these are heavy duty shiseido I'm talking about here!) for the whole face. Now I can swab my whole face and be able to re-use it one or even two more times.

 

I'm really excited that this is the change in just a month. I would dare say that in perhaps a year's time, I could have exceptional results. I'll keep my fingers crossed in the mean-time.

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(@kev-geno)

Posted : 04/19/2007 1:43 am

When you say 3000mg, do you mean you take 3000mg of fish oil or 3000mg of EPA/DHA? One softgel I take has around 1035mg of salmon oil but only 300mg of EPA/DHA.

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(@ben_savly)

Posted : 04/19/2007 7:49 am

Well ive just bought 2 bottles of these fish oils. COuld you tell me if they are good and suitable?

 

If so, how many capsules should i take, and how should i seperate how many capsules i should take in the morning and night etc.

 

Fish oil

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Posted : 04/19/2007 8:29 am

I think this would be a nice place to chime in about my on-going experience with fish oil.

My first impression was that this would end up like my time with b5/vilantae (total failure), yet I decided to go along with it since fish oil has other health benefits besides helping the skin.

I've been taking fish oil for about a month. I started out with 1000 mg, and worked my way up to 3000 mg. I don't plan to ever take more than that amount in a day.

I still have quite oily skin, but I definitely noticed a change in the way it feels and looks. It used to be very thick and hard - It used to feel like slime on my face and looked like creamy stuff on my oil blotting sheets. Now it is very fluid - very wet, for lack of better word. It looks like I'm blotting water as opposed to oil.

I've noticed a slight decrease in my oil. I used to use up a complete sheet (these are heavy duty shiseido I'm talking about here!) for the whole face. Now I can swab my whole face and be able to re-use it one or even two more times.

I'm really excited that this is the change in just a month. I would dare say that in perhaps a year's time, I could have exceptional results. I'll keep my fingers crossed in the mean-time.

Congrats!

But you sure you Only want to take 3 capsules? That's only 900 mg of omega 3 =(. The best changes come around 4 grams.. of omega 3, aren't you curious 😉 It's safe too. Check the first page again, it's updated explaining why that's necessary. You wouldn't believe the elevated results received in this past week alone. I just woke up right now, and my face is still dry!

 

Well ive just bought 2 bottles of these fish oils. COuld you tell me if they are good and suitable?

If so, how many capsules should i take, and how should i seperate how many capsules i should take in the morning and night etc.

Fish oil

It's fine, but too pricey, isn't it? Since each has 600 mg of omega 3, you'd have to take 6 to 7 a day and that won't last you long =(.

You guys should ask before you buy instead, save you some money

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(@lilpuss)

Posted : 04/19/2007 8:39 am

Do any of the Brits on this thread have any suggestions for good omega 3 that I can buy? Preferably from somewhere like Boots, Superdrug or Holland and Barratt.

 

I hate buying over the internet, especially if its from America, cos I usually end up paying about 3 times the amount from all the shipping charges and such.

 

Thanks for any help in advance :)

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Posted : 04/19/2007 11:01 am

I have been doing this regimen for almost 3 weeks now and it HAD been going well. I have been getting almost zero acne on my face, and that trend is still continuing. Unfortunately my NECK got absolutely destroooooyed this weekend. I went from having ZERO acne there (which I attribute to the fish oil, because before I was taking any fish oil this was always a problem) to having literally like 20 new spots. I think this was due to a sensitivity. I'm really not even convinced that the breakouts I experienced were actually normal acne. Here are a few things I did to myself the week before this awful breakout:

 

Ate pizza twice - I am now almost 95% sure that cheese is causing at least some of my problems. So why did I eat pizza? To be honest, my skin was doing so damn good I thought I could get away with it... as well as a few other things!

 

Smoking - My normal smoke intake is about once a day. Last week I was smoking 5-10 times a day.

 

Drinking - I drank a lot of beer.

 

Fruit - I ate, and always have eaten, a TONNNNNN of fruit. I think this may be a major contributor as well. I am, of course, not going to stop eating fruit. But I am going to cut my intake down to a more reasonable level.

 

Chocolate - I didn't eat a ton of it, but a couple pieces a day probably contributed.

 

Exercise - I did a fair amount of exercise, but mostly at the end of the week after the breakouts had already started to manifest

 

Salt - I have been salting my foods pretty well.

 

Almonds and Honey - Ate a bunch of this.

 

I really don't know which of these factors played the most significant role in my recent breakout, but I am 100% sure that all of them put together had a very very significant role.

 

The last 36 hours or so I cut all that stuff out, and the breakout has reduced SIGNIFICANTLY. I am going to continue on this path, and report back in a week. If I had reported 4 days ago, I would have reported being about 93% clear, with clarity increasing every couple days.

 

Bob Mckee's post is a good read for anyone reading this fish oil thread. One of the points he stresses is that there are numerous factors which can cause acne. The more of these factors which you reduce or try and control, the more successful your prevention routine will be.

 

Another thing I would like to point out is that I have been on accutane twice. I think ndnRomeo has been on the fish oil regimen the longest, at about 8 or 9 weeks. During BOTH courses of accutane, and I am guessing this is true with MOST other people who have been on accutane, my face looked like absoulute HELLLLLLL until about the 3rd or 4th month. So be patient, give this thing some time, and don't lose sight of the fact that fish oil by itself is NOT a cure for acne. It may clear some poeple up, but for most I am thinking it is just another piece of the puzzle.

 

 

 

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Posted : 04/19/2007 11:05 am

I was doing some more research of bioavailability of omega 3 fish oils and how much we absorb from the capsules and found this:

 

The bioavailability of the microencapsulated fish-oil has been shown to be just as effective as fish oil delivered in a capsule. One study compared the bioavailability of microencapsulated fish oil in a milk shake to an omega-3 fish-oil capsule. The study discovered no difference in bioavailability between the two products. Therefore, the microencapsulated delivery form provides an appropriate option to increase the level of omega-3 fatty acids in the diet.3

 

http://www.ffnmag.com/NH/ASP/strArticleID/...icleDisplay.asp

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Posted : 04/19/2007 11:12 am

I have been doing this regimen for almost 3 weeks now and it HAD been going well. I have been getting almost zero acne on my face, and that trend is still continuing. Unfortunately my NECK got absolutely destroooooyed this weekend. I went from having ZERO acne there (which I attribute to the fish oil, because before I was taking any fish oil this was always a problem) to having literally like 20 new spots. I think this was due to a sensitivity. I'm really not even convinced that the breakouts I experienced were actually normal acne. Here are a few things I did to myself the week before this awful breakout:

Ate pizza twice - I am now almost 95% sure that cheese is causing at least some of my problems. So why did I eat pizza? To be honest, my skin was doing so damn good I thought I could get away with it... as well as a few other things!

Smoking - My normal smoke intake is about once a day. Last week I was smoking 5-10 times a day.

Drinking - I drank a lot of beer.

Fruit - I ate, and always have eaten, a TONNNNNN of fruit. I think this may be a major contributor as well. I am, of course, not going to stop eating fruit. But I am going to cut my intake down to a more reasonable level.

Chocolate - I didn't eat a ton of it, but a couple pieces a day probably contributed.

Exercise - I did a fair amount of exercise, but mostly at the end of the week after the breakouts had already started to manifest

Salt - I have been salting my foods pretty well.

Almonds and Honey - Ate a bunch of this.

I really don't know which of these factors played the most significant role in my recent breakout, but I am 100% sure that all of them put together had a very very significant role.

The last 36 hours or so I cut all that stuff out, and the breakout has reduced SIGNIFICANTLY. I am going to continue on this path, and report back in a week. If I had reported 4 days ago, I would have reported being about 93% clear, with clarity increasing every couple days.

Bob Mckee's post is a good read for anyone reading this fish oil thread. One of the points he stresses is that there are numerous factors which can cause acne. The more of these factors which you reduce or try and control, the more successful your prevention routine will be.

Another thing I would like to point out is that I have been on accutane twice. I think ndnRomeo has been on the fish oil regimen the longest, at about 8 or 9 weeks. During BOTH courses of accutane, and I am guessing this is true with MOST other people who have been on accutane, my face looked like absoulute HELLLLLLL until about the 3rd or 4th month. So be patient, give this thing some time, and don't lose sight of the fact that fish oil by itself is NOT a cure for acne. It may clear some poeple up, but for most I am thinking it is just another piece of the puzzle.

100% correct, Thank you for your contribution,

I'm really sorry to hear about the break out :(. Also, since you were on accutane before and assuming you have a moderate to severe course of acne, it's hard to determine how long this would take to bring thorough results. It may not even get to 100%, but I am glad you pointed that out, that there's more to the regimen than just taking supplements =). Much like I have in my signature just to ensure people don't follow the belief that supplements is the only thing they need.

Besides the signature, I wrote that in there too, the last portion (Part 13, skin care, not skin damage) and the food portion. It would be a shame if people neglected proper diet, maintenance, and washing just by going on fish oil.

I have one question for you, how long has it been since you got off accutane? How long did it take for your acne to come back after the first go around on accutane, and have you considered taking accutane again? It's really superior in doing it's job, especailly for severe and moderate acne sufferers that is probably something fish oil can't help with completely.

But I guess even drugs like accutane take multiple months to fully clear up people as well. And some times they don't clear up even after 3 or 4 courses of it. So that goes to say nothing is 100%, and we're all different too and the only thing we can do is give it a fair time frame at optimal doses. and since none of us have gone on these optimal doses for an extended period of time yet (6 months) it's still a huge waiting game and it's making me impatient as well.

Tell me about your past in terms of accutane, I'm curious to hear!

Oddly enough, Bob's thread is the reason i got interested in EFA's

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Posted : 04/19/2007 12:45 pm

Congrats!

But you sure you Only want to take 3 capsules? That's only 900 mg of omega 3 =(. The best changes come around 4 grams.. of omega 3, aren't you curious 😉 It's safe too. Check the first page again, it's updated explaining why that's necessary. You wouldn't believe the elevated results received in this past week alone. I just woke up right now, and my face is still dry!

:redface: :redface: :redface: :redface: :redface: :redface:

And there I was talking like I was some sort of BA who knew everything lmao.... *starts chugging fish oil bottle* lol just kidding. Though I'm a bit embarassed, I hope this'll be a good reminder to those who read threads too quickly haha. Thanks for the *cough* clarification *cough* Why me?? and NdnRomeo.

Well now I know what I need to do, and I really can't wait to see some incredible results. I'm hoping to to surprise my friends in Texas when I come to visit during the really humid summer!

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(@subaru)

Posted : 04/19/2007 1:56 pm

I had been taking Nutrilite's fish oil capsules, but the high price made me recently buy Vitamin Shoppe's MEGA Fish Oil EPA-DHA brand. Each pill contains:

600 mg EPA

240 mg DHA

 

I thought this was OK, bc I read that EPA reduces systemic inflammation, and DHA reduces high triglyceride levels, which I don't have.

 

Since my supplement has twice as much EPA as DHA, should I aim to take

3-4 g of EPA, or 3-4 g of DHA (~ 6-8 g of EPA)?

 

Or, should I find another brand of fish oil that contains equal amounts of EPA and DHA?

 

Thanks.

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Posted : 04/19/2007 3:03 pm

Congrats!

But you sure you Only want to take 3 capsules? That's only 900 mg of omega 3 =(. The best changes come around 4 grams.. of omega 3, aren't you curious 😉 It's safe too. Check the first page again, it's updated explaining why that's necessary. You wouldn't believe the elevated results received in this past week alone. I just woke up right now, and my face is still dry!

:redface: :redface: :redface: :redface: :redface: :redface:

And there I was talking like I was some sort of BA who knew everything lmao.... *starts chugging fish oil bottle* lol just kidding. Though I'm a bit embarassed, I hope this'll be a good reminder to those who read threads too quickly haha. Thanks for the *cough* clarification *cough* Why me?? and NdnRomeo.

Well now I know what I need to do, and I really can't wait to see some incredible results. I'm hoping to to surprise my friends in Texas when I come to visit during the really humid summer!

 

Let me tell you, it's starting to get hot in texas, Houston especially, and I am just thankful I found these before summer came. I can't imagine having to deal with the amount of oil I had produced just a month ago with the humidity and heat texas has. I had to go through that for years and I would hide away in the summer instead of doing what normal kids do.

I want to tell you something though, do it safely. What I mean is don't just jump up all at once. Since you took 3 capsules (I started with that before), now go to 6 (2 with each meal). Wait for a few days or maybe even a week if you are comfortable, and then go to 10. Stay at 10 for a bit, if you feel fine for a few days, go to 13 or 14. But do not go less.

If you are unassured, or worried, just check the first page. It tells you why 4 grams is ideal as opposed to 3 or 5, and how it's safe etc. =)

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