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(@mskitty)

Posted : 04/09/2007 3:57 pm

I had to run out and get more fish oil caps today since I ran out over the weekend. My skin SEEMED noticably oilier, but it could be because I work in the desert and was hot all damn day :)

 

I just got the green tea pills too...we'll see how it goes.

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(@malia)

Posted : 04/09/2007 6:34 pm

^ ^ ^ There's no fear in being dependent on omega-3's because it's simply a reality - omega 3 fatty acids are called "ESSENTIAL fatty acids" for a reason - you cannot have optimal health without them. This is not debatable no matter what diet philosophy you subscribe to because the research is pretty conclusive in pointing to all the benefits of DHA/EPA. The only thing is deciding whether you want to get them from diet (fish, omega-3 eggs) or pills. I think in this day and age it's better to go pills / eggs. Fish, unfortunately, is not something you want to eat every day anymore thanks to the polluted ocean.

Flaxseed oil is much less effective than fish oil/salmon oil/NKO oil because it has ALA which the body has to convert to EPA/DHA (the good stuff that we want), and this conversion rate is inefficient at best in most people. Flax seeds themselves aren't a bad food because they're high in fiber and great for the digestive system, but to rely on flax in general for omega-3's is sub-optimal. Even Dr. Fuhrman, a mostly-vegan health guru, recommends taking DHA (in it's vegetable form, which is extremely hard to find but you can find it on diseaseproof.com/, his website) because it's common knowledge among everyone except adamant vegans that flax just ain't the best for the omega-3's.

What did you mean when you said you had no enzyme to break down the alcohol? Do you have a family history of not being able to handle alcohol, or liver problems or something? If so, that's probably why you broke out so bad.

that is a good point - better way to think of it actually :surprised: its just the thought of going on vacation and having to lug pills around that i'm not excited about but all in all if it works, i will do it.

in essence, yes, i do have a family history of not being able to handle alcohol - i just can't metabolize alcohol...haha! yeah it was a bad idea to drink. my liver is probably not in the best shape either since i have been on accutane 4 times in the past - all of which i COMPLETELY regret. i think it has permanently changed my skin and its oil glands so that now i'm dry more often than not which actually leads to my breakouts.

i noticed you take milk thistle...how is that working for you? i have tried drinking about 30 drops mixed in water for a couple weeks and then tried to cycle off and, well, just forgot about them permanently. i may have seen some results but can't be too sure.

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(@amaterasu)

Posted : 04/09/2007 8:14 pm

Well I read the majority of this thread and as my local Big Lots had a CVS pharmacy inventory buyout, I bought some Prevention Magazine brand of High Potency Omega 3 1000 mg Fish Oil Softgels

it has 300 mg EPA and 200 mg DHA

I think I will start with 6 capsules..

Any comments?

 

I think if I don't have a reaction I will buy the Carlson's liquid form. I am getting tired of taking pills. I take a prescription med, Centrum, Zinc and Alpha Lipioc Acid..

Has anyone tried Carlson's?

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(@lxl-2)

Posted : 04/09/2007 8:44 pm

man i never bother reading about omega-3 but now i read it im definitely gonna try it out

i saw a 600mg total of omega-3 on one of the fish oil supplment online today...

i was thinking of taking one pill 3 times a day... since i eat fishes and seafood frequently

also did the little Excel thingy...

im a total Microsoft Office newbie and no idea what i did...

so i just counted up the omega-3/6 ratio and came out somewhere like 1:3

so what do you think?

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(@r-s)

Posted : 04/09/2007 10:09 pm

i noticed you take milk thistle...how is that working for you? i have tried drinking about 30 drops mixed in water for a couple weeks and then tried to cycle off and, well, just forgot about them permanently. i may have seen some results but can't be too sure.

It used to not work so well for me until I did a lot of liver flushes, now it works better for me but I should probably do another liver flush. If you're unfamilar with what those are, search my old threads.

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(@bigbeauty)

Posted : 04/09/2007 10:20 pm

I'm all about EPA/DHA but I've seen a couple posts now knocking the poor conversion of ALA to EPA in our body. This is true, but I just wanted to point out if you're not aware that if you lower your omega 6 absolute levels and ratio to omega 3 in your diet, the amount of conversion of ALA to EPA actually increases. Yes this is still small compared to the amount you'll get from supplementing with EPA & DHA though.

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(@malia)

Posted : 04/09/2007 10:30 pm

was doing some searching and wanted to add a little more in support of fish oil over flax oil

 

this is from a website called liv4evr.com - a website for traditional chinese medicine to help acne:

 

Things you can start doing today to improve your acne:

 

Quit drinking coffee! Even decaf. Replace it with green tea. Our favorite is Yama MotoYama.

 

 

Quit eating any foods that contain sugar, fructose, glucose, etc.

 

 

Avoid artificial sweeteners.

 

 

Avoid foods that contain hydrogenated oils. Read the labels!

 

 

Avoid alcohol.

 

 

EPA/DHA fish oil capsules -- take at least 6/day - flax oil doesn't work as well.

 

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 04/09/2007 10:47 pm

was doing some searching and wanted to add a little more in support of fish oil over flax oil

this is from a website called liv4evr.com - a website for traditional chinese medicine to help acne:

Things you can start doing today to improve your acne:

Quit drinking coffee! Even decaf. Replace it with green tea. Our favorite is Yama MotoYama.

Quit eating any foods that contain sugar, fructose, glucose, etc.

Avoid artificial sweeteners.

Avoid foods that contain hydrogenated oils. Read the labels!

Avoid alcohol.

EPA/DHA fish oil capsules -- take at least 6/day - flax oil doesn't work as well.

Thanks! I appreciate the contribution to the thread 🙂 I agree with that all the way 😉

 

man i never bother reading about omega-3 but now i read it im definitely gonna try it out

i saw a 600mg total of omega-3 on one of the fish oil supplment online today...

i was thinking of taking one pill 3 times a day... since i eat fishes and seafood frequently

also did the little Excel thingy...

im a total Microsoft Office newbie and no idea what i did...

so i just counted up the omega-3/6 ratio and came out somewhere like 1:3

so what do you think?

I would still take at least take at least 2 grams a day minimum from supplements, but 3 would still be optimal :).

 

Well I read the majority of this thread and as my local Big Lots had a CVS pharmacy inventory buyout, I bought some Prevention Magazine brand of High Potency Omega 3 1000 mg Fish Oil Softgels

it has 300 mg EPA and 200 mg DHA

I think I will start with 6 capsules..

Any comments?

I think if I don't have a reaction I will buy the Carlson's liquid form. I am getting tired of taking pills. I take a prescription med, Centrum, Zinc and Alpha Lipioc Acid..

Has anyone tried Carlson's?

Try some out first, and see how you react, perhaps take 3 at first a day, then slowly go up to 6. That may be easier to do so.

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(@doppleganger)

Posted : 04/09/2007 10:50 pm

This past weekend (and again I don't know if it's a coincidence) I've been having a lot of trouble keeping awake despite having a good night's sleep beforehand. As I sit and browse my PC I sometimes start falling asleep at the "wheel". Is this a sign of low blood pressure or lightheadedness??? Currently I take 6 pills (1.8 grams) a day, which due to my irregular sleep schedule I split into 2 doses. Pretty much 3 pills with a big meal, with the next dose coming with the next meal 9-12 hours laterl As of late the only improvements I've noticed are perhaps less rougher skin on my face. I just hope what I'm doing won't end up killing me, these "coincidential" scares really do well.......scare me. :confused:

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Posted : 04/09/2007 11:15 pm

This past weekend (and again I don't know if it's a coincidence) I've been having a lot of trouble keeping awake despite having a good night's sleep beforehand. As I sit and browse my PC I sometimes start falling asleep at the "wheel". Is this a sign of low blood pressure or lightheadedness??? Currently I take 6 pills (1.8 grams) a day, which due to my irregular sleep schedule I split into 2 doses. Pretty much 3 pills with a big meal, with the next dose coming with the next meal 9-12 hours laterl As of late the only improvements I've noticed are perhaps less rougher skin on my face. I just hope what I'm doing won't end up killing me, these "coincidential" scares really do well.......scare me. :confused:

Do this. Stop it for a few days and see how it feels. Also, go to a local pharmacy and get your blood pressure checked at those free stations (it's better than nothing). If it's lower than 100 over 60, then yeah, you have low blood pressure. If it's close to 120 over 80 while you are on fish oil (within a couple hours after taking it) then you are safe and it's irrelevant. What other supplements are you taking? Omega 3 works as a blood thinner as well, but at those low doses it shouldn't be doing that.

How many grams of omega 3 is in each pill, it better be 300 mg, not something like 600 mg!

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Posted : 04/10/2007 5:51 am

This past weekend (and again I don't know if it's a coincidence) I've been having a lot of trouble keeping awake despite having a good night's sleep beforehand. As I sit and browse my PC I sometimes start falling asleep at the "wheel". Is this a sign of low blood pressure or lightheadedness??? Currently I take 6 pills (1.8 grams) a day, which due to my irregular sleep schedule I split into 2 doses. Pretty much 3 pills with a big meal, with the next dose coming with the next meal 9-12 hours laterl As of late the only improvements I've noticed are perhaps less rougher skin on my face. I just hope what I'm doing won't end up killing me, these "coincidential" scares really do well.......scare me. :confused:

Do this. Stop it for a few days and see how it feels. Also, go to a local pharmacy and get your blood pressure checked at those free stations (it's better than nothing). If it's lower than 100 over 60, then yeah, you have low blood pressure. If it's close to 120 over 80 while you are on fish oil (within a couple hours after taking it) then you are safe and it's irrelevant. What other supplements are you taking? Omega 3 works as a blood thinner as well, but at those low doses it shouldn't be doing that.

How many grams of omega 3 is in each pill, it better be 300 mg, not something like 600 mg!

 

There's 1000mg of fish oil and 300mg of Omega-3 in each of my pills, they are of the GNC brand (NOT the black market Chinatown ones). The only other supplement I take with these pills is a B100 pill a day (soon to be replaced with a multivitamin). I also make sure to drink plenty of water beforehand and afterwards (water and orange juice IS all I drink every day).

Perhaps I should cut the doses down to 1.2g a day or perhaps stop for a day or two as I've already done.

As I've already asked, is it safe to take fish oil capsules with or near the same timetable I'd be taking Tylenol??? Because sometimes my sinuses act up and I get congested just like anyone else...............so something's gotta give!!! Tylenol doesn't thin blood does it???

Anyways................my derm appointment is finally coming up on Thursday!!! I should've already planned what questions I am to ask, but I'm definitely gonna bring up fish oil and green tea extracts. Any tips you guys can give me to prevent this visit from being in vain (I did have to wait almost a MONTH for it)...............last two times I've visited a derm I was in and out in about 10 minutes. :confused:

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(@fizgig)

Posted : 04/10/2007 9:37 am

I eat quite a lot of oily fish and also take one fish oil capsule each day but a lot of people seem to be taking more. How many would you recommend?

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 04/10/2007 11:08 am

This past weekend (and again I don't know if it's a coincidence) I've been having a lot of trouble keeping awake despite having a good night's sleep beforehand. As I sit and browse my PC I sometimes start falling asleep at the "wheel". Is this a sign of low blood pressure or lightheadedness??? Currently I take 6 pills (1.8 grams) a day, which due to my irregular sleep schedule I split into 2 doses. Pretty much 3 pills with a big meal, with the next dose coming with the next meal 9-12 hours laterl As of late the only improvements I've noticed are perhaps less rougher skin on my face. I just hope what I'm doing won't end up killing me, these "coincidential" scares really do well.......scare me. :confused:

Do this. Stop it for a few days and see how it feels. Also, go to a local pharmacy and get your blood pressure checked at those free stations (it's better than nothing). If it's lower than 100 over 60, then yeah, you have low blood pressure. If it's close to 120 over 80 while you are on fish oil (within a couple hours after taking it) then you are safe and it's irrelevant. What other supplements are you taking? Omega 3 works as a blood thinner as well, but at those low doses it shouldn't be doing that.

How many grams of omega 3 is in each pill, it better be 300 mg, not something like 600 mg!

 

There's 1000mg of fish oil and 300mg of Omega-3 in each of my pills, they are of the GNC brand (NOT the black market Chinatown ones). The only other supplement I take with these pills is a B100 pill a day (soon to be replaced with a multivitamin). I also make sure to drink plenty of water beforehand and afterwards (water and orange juice IS all I drink every day).

Perhaps I should cut the doses down to 1.2g a day or perhaps stop for a day or two as I've already done.

As I've already asked, is it safe to take fish oil capsules with or near the same timetable I'd be taking Tylenol??? Because sometimes my sinuses act up and I get congested just like anyone else...............so something's gotta give!!! Tylenol doesn't thin blood does it???

Anyways................my derm appointment is finally coming up on Thursday!!! I should've already planned what questions I am to ask, but I'm definitely gonna bring up fish oil and green tea extracts. Any tips you guys can give me to prevent this visit from being in vain (I did have to wait almost a MONTH for it)...............last two times I've visited a derm I was in and out in about 10 minutes. :confused:

 

Try and stop for a day or so, and see how you fair. Seriously though, while you're on it go to walgreens or a pharmacy and use those free blood pressure machines, that's the only way you can be totally sure. Also, I am not sure what Tylenol has in terms of blood thinning capacity. That's where I can't be of any help since I don't take it =(. This thread is like an ongoing experiment since it's new to all of us (under 3 months). I think once this thread matures even more, we will know more as well. So perhaps try it with and without tylenol, but go easy. You may want to lower it for a while and SLOWLY increase it. I know I couldn't handle 3 grams in the beginning, but now I can. It was with time, that an increase happened, so that may have played a role. Just thinking things out here.

As for the derm, try to ask him if there were any other natural ways to help with oil production besides Fish Oil.

Also ask him what he thinks about Pantethine. it's a useable form of B5 that converts into CoEnzyme A that metabolises fats etc. I am going to go on that instead of B5 since it seems more efficient and very safe since you don't have to overdose, and more effective since it's very useable into getting more Coenzyme A into the body

http://www.pantethine.org/

You don't have to ask if you don't want to though so don't worry 🙂

 

I eat quite a lot of oily fish and also take one fish oil capsule each day but a lot of people seem to be taking more. How many would you recommend?

Start with 6 pills a day (that should be 1.8 grams of omega 3 if the epa and dha is 300 mg per pill), and then see how you react first. Then if your results are satisfactory, stay there, if not, slowly increase within a week's time etc. 3 grams should get you the maximum results if you have mild acne. I don't know about above that, but try 1.8 grams and report back in a week or two and see how you do.

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Posted : 04/10/2007 3:40 pm

I want you all to know that the full benefits take some time to work. By 'time' I mean a full three months. Just wait it out as I am. Most of us are seeing results surely, but I think we'll all see the best results 3 months in. Much like Bob's post. Don't expect results within a week or so, but if you do, that's good... it'll get even better. But just keep taking them and don't be impatient like me ^.^

 

Hopefully 3 months passes like nothing else!

 

By full benefits, I mean a really high reduction of excess oil that is said to stop being excreted from the hair follicle. Completely regulating the type of oil produced (if any excess at all) that won't clog your pores.

 

I can see it happening, almost there, but hopefully it gets to what it says it does, completely. So it stops all together. Kind of like what happened with Bob Mckee at month 3 of EFA's

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Posted : 04/10/2007 4:14 pm

This is like deja vu, but just in case this hasn't been posted (I think I posted it before) but more reasons to take it.

 

Getting sufficient essential fatty acids is of prime importance in clearing acne. It's these fatty acids that help to control the production of excess androgens - the hormones that surge during the teen-age times It is androgens, which causes excess sebum oil to clog your hair follicle and contribute to creating your acne.

 

When you are deficient in these essential fatty acids, you will have,

 

A weaken immune system

Inflammatory disorders

Poor skin

Skin eruptions and other wounds that won't heal

Sebum production increases (this is what happens when you have acne)

Sebaceous glands size increases

Eating essential fatty acids are necessary to provide you the right oils that are used in the sebaceous glands.

 

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/389/1/...-Your-Acne.html

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(@bber)

Posted : 04/10/2007 11:31 pm

Hey guys,

 

I haven't been around in a while but just to give you a word of warning. If you're planning to be running very high doses of fish oil make sure that you live/work in a place where injury is unlikely. The doses I am running cause serious thinning of the blood for me even though my blood pressure is normal. The other day I popped a small pimple and there was a small stream of blood running down my chest. I didn't think much of it, but earlier this week I slashed my hand in the weightroom, it wasn't a big slash by any means and there was a lot of blood coming out of it. And I mean, a lot. I could see rapid loss of blood from a bigger injury being serious cause for concern.

 

Take it easy,

 

bber.

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Posted : 04/10/2007 11:39 pm

Hey guys,

I haven't been around in a while but just to give you a word of warning. If you're planning to be running very high doses of fish oil make sure that you live/work in a place where injury is unlikely. The doses I am running cause serious thinning of the blood for me even though my blood pressure is normal. The other day I popped a small pimple and there was a small stream of blood running down my chest. I didn't think much of it, but earlier this week I slashed my hand in the weightroom, it wasn't a big slash by any means and there was a lot of blood coming out of it. And I mean, a lot. I could see rapid loss of blood from a bigger injury being serious cause for concern.

Take it easy,

bber.

Thanks bber for the heads up and the warning. I hope you get better and hope nothing serious came from this!

You were on 15 grams of omega 3 correct? What about now?

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(@almostprettyagain)

Posted : 04/11/2007 2:14 am

Well I read the majority of this thread and as my local Big Lots had a CVS pharmacy inventory buyout, I bought some Prevention Magazine brand of High Potency Omega 3 1000 mg Fish Oil Softgels

it has 300 mg EPA and 200 mg DHA

I think I will start with 6 capsules..

Any comments?

I think if I don't have a reaction I will buy the Carlson's liquid form. I am getting tired of taking pills. I take a prescription med, Centrum, Zinc and Alpha Lipioc Acid..

Has anyone tried Carlson's?

I've been taking Carlson's for about a week and I don't mind the taste at all, tastes pretty good actually.

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(@bobby-digital)

Posted : 04/11/2007 8:08 am

hey i haven't checked in for a while so...

I added in ACV about a week and a half ago, topically and drinking it...so that was around my 7th or 8th week on fish oil. Im still doing 10 a day, but ive had the most dramatic improvement since I started the ACV. Im not relying on fish oil as a cure anymore, im just looking at it as it originally was, something that helped with inflammtion, which it does. My face is getting very clear at this point, ive gotten small breakouts that I dont even think about, and its been a miracle that I made it through easter weekend with only two zits on the underside of my chin. My biggest focus is on scars at this point...which the acv seems to be helping a lot but i heard about rosebud oil too so im gonna check that out.

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Posted : 04/11/2007 8:51 am

hey i haven't checked in for a while so...

I added in ACV about a week and a half ago, topically and drinking it...so that was around my 7th or 8th week on fish oil. Im still doing 10 a day, but ive had the most dramatic improvement since I started the ACV. Im not relying on fish oil as a cure anymore, im just looking at it as it originally was, something that helped with inflammtion, which it does. My face is getting very clear at this point, ive gotten small breakouts that I dont even think about, and its been a miracle that I made it through easter weekend with only two zits on the underside of my chin. My biggest focus is on scars at this point...which the acv seems to be helping a lot but i heard about rosebud oil too so im gonna check that out.

How long have you used acv? In terms of internal, it takes a month for it to do what it does. I used to use it for two months before fish oil. It alone didn't stop oil production or acne, but what it does is clears out your digestive system internally, externally it's a toner. So after two months I stopped since I already ate relatively healthy and moved on to something better.

But if you really want to try it out, stop fish oil cold turkey for a while and continue acv and see if your acne gets worse after a few weeks. One of the reasons why I say that is the second I upped fish oil to 10 pills a day... within a week my results escalated much faster, like much much faster.

So who knows, perhaps your problem is more of an internal thing in terms of improper digestion, so the acv is a cleansing mechanism.

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(@bber)

Posted : 04/11/2007 12:27 pm

Hey guys,

I haven't been around in a while but just to give you a word of warning. If you're planning to be running very high doses of fish oil make sure that you live/work in a place where injury is unlikely. The doses I am running cause serious thinning of the blood for me even though my blood pressure is normal. The other day I popped a small pimple and there was a small stream of blood running down my chest. I didn't think much of it, but earlier this week I slashed my hand in the weightroom, it wasn't a big slash by any means and there was a lot of blood coming out of it. And I mean, a lot. I could see rapid loss of blood from a bigger injury being serious cause for concern.

Take it easy,

bber.

Thanks bber for the heads up and the warning. I hope you get better and hope nothing serious came from this!

You were on 15 grams of omega 3 correct? What about now?

 

Not a problem, im gonna go back down to my original dose of about 10g since I didn't really see a major improvement by raising it to what it is now.

Take it easy,

bber.

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Posted : 04/11/2007 1:26 pm

Does anyone have an opinion on this brand?

https://www.amazon.com/Maxi-Omega-2000-Kosher-Fish/dp/B002CVTY8O/

I don't eat gelatin and this is the only one I've found so far that doesn't have it. It looks a bit pricey though so I'd rather not get it if there is a good alternative.

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 04/11/2007 4:12 pm

b&r said:
Does anyone have an opinion on this brand?

https://www.amazon.com/Maxi-Omega-2000-Kosher-Fish/dp/B002CVTY8O/

I don't eat gelatin and this is the only one I've found so far that doesn't have it. It looks a bit pricey though so I'd rather not get it if there is a good alternative.

That is really expensive. You don't want to spend that much every 10 days!

Can you take the liquid form? The Carlson Brand?

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(@bobby-digital)

Posted : 04/11/2007 8:48 pm

Ive been on ACV for a week and a half, and when I started, I had been on fish oil for probably 7 or 8 weeks. If things coninue the way they are using both, at around a month ill start lowering my fish oil dosage. I dont really care which is working, though I think its the combo of both....and im not interested in cutting off the fish oil whatsoever. So far what im doing is working great so i have no reason to change it...and it really has stood up to the test so far...like I said, ive hardly broken out since I started except one zit im gonna call an IB and my diet has been pretty terrible in terms of whats usually caused me acne. I dont know about that 2 month thing...could be different for anyone

 

ill keep checkin in though

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Posted : 04/11/2007 10:27 pm

Ive been on ACV for a week and a half, and when I started, I had been on fish oil for probably 7 or 8 weeks. If things coninue the way they are using both, at around a month ill start lowering my fish oil dosage. I dont really care which is working, though I think its the combo of both....and im not interested in cutting off the fish oil whatsoever. So far what im doing is working great so i have no reason to change it...and it really has stood up to the test so far...like I said, ive hardly broken out since I started except one zit im gonna call an IB and my diet has been pretty terrible in terms of whats usually caused me acne. I dont know about that 2 month thing...could be different for anyone

ill keep checkin in though

Sweet! Definitely more power to you, if it works keep on doing it and do not stop! Because the last thing we should worry about is why it's working (if it's good for you) if you get clear from it 🙂

Keep on, keeping on!

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