My BP is usually around 90/55-65 - my dad's is too. Normal for some! We always joke that we're dead. My dad's resting pulse is between 45-55

My BP is usually around 90/55-65 - my dad's is too. Normal for some! We always joke that we're dead. My dad's resting pulse is between 45-55 😮

Does your dad do a ridiculous amount of aerobic exercise?

Does anyone have any ballpark idea/read anywhere of much omega 6 and omega 3 we actually need? I understand we need to balance the two, but at what levels?

Which is better to have in one day?

a) 2,000mg of o-6 and 400mg of o-3 (5 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 1600mg difference)

b) 20,000mg of o-6 and 10,000 mg of o-3 (2 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 10,000mg difference)

I'm really confused, I always read walnuts are a great nut because they have one of the most balanced ratios of 4.19. 1 oz of walnuts contains a whooping 2.5g of o-3 (yes!), but also 10.7g of o-6 (no!). I'd need to take 11 of my fish oil pills to balance out. Or I could just cut out nuts, oils, etc to get balanced but then end up with hardly any o6 or o3 (Around a gram or two each).

My BP is usually around 90/55-65 - my dad's is too. Normal for some! We always joke that we're dead. My dad's resting pulse is between 45-55 😮

Does your dad do a ridiculous amount of aerobic exercise?

 

Nope, he's just like that. Mine's about 60.

Does anyone have any ballpark idea/read anywhere of much omega 6 and omega 3 we actually need? I understand we need to balance the two, but at what levels?

Which is better to have in one day?

a) 2,000mg of o-6 and 400mg of o-3 (5 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 1600mg difference)

b) 20,000mg of o-6 and 10,000 mg of o-3 (2 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 10,000mg difference)

I'm really confused, I always read walnuts are a great nut because they have one of the most balanced ratios of 4.19. 1 oz of walnuts contains a whooping 2.5g of o-3 (yes!), but also 10.7g of o-6 (no!). I'd need to take 11 of my fish oil pills to balance out. Or I could just cut out nuts, oils, etc to get balanced but then end up with hardly any o6 or o3 (Around a gram or two each).

You can still eat nuts everyday but just balance it out. Flax seed is cheap and easy way to balance out. A tablespoon will have about 1.5 grams of o3, so it's a quick, simple and cheap way to balance along with the fish oil.

As far as your two examples, not sure. Both are pretty extreme so I don't think they are really applicable. Just shoot for 1 to 1 ratio. If you eat something with o6, balance it out immediatley with o3 if possible. If you are going to eat 3 eggs (about 3 grams of o6) than eat two spoonfuls of flaxseeds (3 grams of o3) simple as that.

My BP is usually around 90/55-65 - my dad's is too. Normal for some! We always joke that we're dead. My dad's resting pulse is between 45-55 😮

woa! incredible! My pulse also was at 54-56 yesterday.

I think just because of acne, we're ending up really healthy, with the way we eat and all these supplements. I guess we're regulating our entire bodies back to optimal levels 😀 :dance:

i found probably the only nut out there which doesnt have high levels of omega 6, the chest nut.

Btw are there any cereals at all which are low gi but also dont have massive amounts or omega 6.

( the whole fish oil thing has worked for me btw in one week ive gone from have 20 pimples to having one tiny one, no oily skin and les and les blackheads.)

Thanks for that info! You are right indeed

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20nx.html

Very low, for one ounce. I don't know how much is in a handful, but that's good information.

For cereals I stick to two kinds.

Wheaties, and quaker oatmeal squares with brown sugar.

I am glad the fish oil is working for you, thank you for that feedback, very inspirational to anyone who wants to start. Keep on posting back every now and then because I want to see how you progress!

I just got a bottle of Nutrilite Salmom Omega-3 softgels. 120 softgels inside.

One softgel has:

d-Alpha Tocopherol (Vitamin E) - 30 i.u

Salmon Oil - 1030.5mg

~ 1030.5mg of Salmon Oil contains:

- EPA - 180mg

- DHA - 120mg

Is this ok? How many should I take each day?

BTW, I'd say I eat fish 4-5 times a week. Most of the time it's fried. I don't eat cereals but I do eat rice everyday... not that it contains omega-3...

Your diet seems pretty healthy, try and map out your daily intake if you can. But if not, I would say start out with 6 daily, 2 at each main meal. You should be safe with that. And keep an eye on any side effects, which I doubt you should have at such a low level 🙂

Good luck, keep us posted.

Does anyone have any ballpark idea/read anywhere of much omega 6 and omega 3 we actually need? I understand we need to balance the two, but at what levels?

Which is better to have in one day?

a) 2,000mg of o-6 and 400mg of o-3 (5 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 1600mg difference)

b) 20,000mg of o-6 and 10,000 mg of o-3 (2 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 10,000mg difference)

I'm really confused, I always read walnuts are a great nut because they have one of the most balanced ratios of 4.19. 1 oz of walnuts contains a whooping 2.5g of o-3 (yes!), but also 10.7g of o-6 (no!). I'd need to take 11 of my fish oil pills to balance out. Or I could just cut out nuts, oils, etc to get balanced but then end up with hardly any o6 or o3 (Around a gram or two each).

I had that same thought yesterday!!

Is our deficit coming from an imbalance? Or is it coming from the lack of 03's in general? I don't know if I would want to test that out, since let's say if I go back to eating nuts and eggs, I would have to increase it by way too much to match, but theoretically if the side effects occur from an excess of omega 3 over the omega 6 as opposed to just an excess of omega 3 in general (past x grams), then maybe the issue it with a balance.

I don't know how to answer that, but I do know that I think we'll have to just be careful with our diets first and foremost.

I am glad that we all can do both at the same time, get enough omega 3 to balance omega 6 without having to go above any crazy levels just in case.

But then again, bber takes in quite a bit, but his bp seems normal (well his is actually above normal I don't get how that happened) since he also takes in quite a bit of omega 6 too.

I am glad we are all trying this out first hand, to back up everything that we read. At least this will benefit everyone else in the future if we find the perfect path!

A very good article on omega 3 and acne

http://www.worldhealth.net/p/280,5208.html

So essentially, besides the fact that it aids in skin texture, regulates the quality of sebum, it also helps in the 'prevention of hyperkeratinization of sebaceous follicles'

Meaning, all the dead skin cells our body produces, it helps to slough them off readily without it getting clogged.

Did you know that each minute, 50,000 dead skin cells are being shed?

Does anyone have any ballpark idea/read anywhere of much omega 6 and omega 3 we actually need? I understand we need to balance the two, but at what levels?

Which is better to have in one day?

a) 2,000mg of o-6 and 400mg of o-3 (5 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 1600mg difference)

b) 20,000mg of o-6 and 10,000 mg of o-3 (2 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 10,000mg difference)

I'm really confused, I always read walnuts are a great nut because they have one of the most balanced ratios of 4.19. 1 oz of walnuts contains a whooping 2.5g of o-3 (yes!), but also 10.7g of o-6 (no!). I'd need to take 11 of my fish oil pills to balance out. Or I could just cut out nuts, oils, etc to get balanced but then end up with hardly any o6 or o3 (Around a gram or two each).

You can still eat nuts everyday but just balance it out. Flax seed is cheap and easy way to balance out. A tablespoon will have about 1.5 grams of o3, so it's a quick, simple and cheap way to balance along with the fish oil.

As far as your two examples, not sure. Both are pretty extreme so I don't think they are really applicable. Just shoot for 1 to 1 ratio. If you eat something with o6, balance it out immediatley with o3 if possible. If you are going to eat 3 eggs (about 3 grams of o6) than eat two spoonfuls of flaxseeds (3 grams of o3) simple as that.

 

Thanks for the input. I've tried flax, but I seem to get a headache at least from ground flax seeds, its weird maybe because I'm taking fish oil also and it was omega-3 overload. I've been documenting my diet the past two weeks, and have actually been averaging over 20,000mg of o-6 and 3500mg of o-3 before counting fish oil supplements so the example isn't that extreme. And I basically have a paleo diet except I ate a ton of nuts these past two weeks. My o-6 levels ranged from 6000mg (if I avoided nuts) to 45,000mg (if I pigged out on a ton of nuts) each day.

The main thing is I understand and have read countless times we have to balance our omegas, but there has to be an optimum range as far as the actual amounts of each.

Does anyone have any ballpark idea/read anywhere of much omega 6 and omega 3 we actually need? I understand we need to balance the two, but at what levels?

Which is better to have in one day?

a) 2,000mg of o-6 and 400mg of o-3 (5 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 1600mg difference)

b) 20,000mg of o-6 and 10,000 mg of o-3 (2 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 10,000mg difference)

I'm really confused, I always read walnuts are a great nut because they have one of the most balanced ratios of 4.19. 1 oz of walnuts contains a whooping 2.5g of o-3 (yes!), but also 10.7g of o-6 (no!). I'd need to take 11 of my fish oil pills to balance out. Or I could just cut out nuts, oils, etc to get balanced but then end up with hardly any o6 or o3 (Around a gram or two each).

I had that same thought yesterday!!

Is our deficit coming from an imbalance? Or is it coming from the lack of 03's in general? I don't know if I would want to test that out, since let's say if I go back to eating nuts and eggs, I would have to increase it by way too much to match, but theoretically if the side effects occur from an excess of omega 3 over the omega 6 as opposed to just an excess of omega 3 in general (past x grams), then maybe the issue it with a balance.

I don't know how to answer that, but I do know that I think we'll have to just be careful with our diets first and foremost.

I am glad that we all can do both at the same time, get enough omega 3 to balance omega 6 without having to go above any crazy levels just in case.

But then again, bber takes in quite a bit, but his bp seems normal (well his is actually above normal I don't get how that happened) since he also takes in quite a bit of omega 6 too.

I am glad we are all trying this out first hand, to back up everything that we read. At least this will benefit everyone else in the future if we find the perfect path!

 

Yeah, well it seems we are deficient of o-3's from a lack of balance and a lack of o-3 in general, but to what extent for each? From most of what I've read, nuts in moderation are very healthy because omega-6s are essential afterall. But the only way I could possibly balance my omegas after eating nuts is by popping a ton of pills. I've already calculated how many fish oil pills (740mg of o-3 per pill) I'd need to balance 1 to 1 after eating just 1 oz. of the following nuts:

Almonds - 4.79 pills

Cashews - 2.92 pills

Macadamia - 0.42 pills

Pistachio - 5.06 pills

Walnut - 11.08 pills

And this is for only 1 oz, which is like around 1/4 cup I believe for most nuts. I'm beginning to think just getting a 1 to 1 ratio using fish oil isn't natural. Its probably way too much EPA and DHA. To get the 1 to 1 using a lot more ALA is probably more natural, since that's what we get from green veggies and flax, etc.

Does anyone have any ballpark idea/read anywhere of much omega 6 and omega 3 we actually need? I understand we need to balance the two, but at what levels?

Which is better to have in one day?

a) 2,000mg of o-6 and 400mg of o-3 (5 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 1600mg difference)

b) 20,000mg of o-6 and 10,000 mg of o-3 (2 to 1 ratio of o6:o3, but 10,000mg difference)

I'm really confused, I always read walnuts are a great nut because they have one of the most balanced ratios of 4.19. 1 oz of walnuts contains a whooping 2.5g of o-3 (yes!), but also 10.7g of o-6 (no!). I'd need to take 11 of my fish oil pills to balance out. Or I could just cut out nuts, oils, etc to get balanced but then end up with hardly any o6 or o3 (Around a gram or two each).

I had that same thought yesterday!!

Is our deficit coming from an imbalance? Or is it coming from the lack of 03's in general? I don't know if I would want to test that out, since let's say if I go back to eating nuts and eggs, I would have to increase it by way too much to match, but theoretically if the side effects occur from an excess of omega 3 over the omega 6 as opposed to just an excess of omega 3 in general (past x grams), then maybe the issue it with a balance.

I don't know how to answer that, but I do know that I think we'll have to just be careful with our diets first and foremost.

I am glad that we all can do both at the same time, get enough omega 3 to balance omega 6 without having to go above any crazy levels just in case.

But then again, bber takes in quite a bit, but his bp seems normal (well his is actually above normal I don't get how that happened) since he also takes in quite a bit of omega 6 too.

I am glad we are all trying this out first hand, to back up everything that we read. At least this will benefit everyone else in the future if we find the perfect path!

 

Yeah, well it seems we are deficient of o-3's from a lack of balance and a lack of o-3 in general, but to what extent for each? From most of what I've read, nuts in moderation are very healthy because omega-6s are essential afterall. But the only way I could possibly balance my omegas after eating nuts is by popping a ton of pills. I've already calculated how many fish oil pills (740mg of o-3 per pill) I'd need to balance 1 to 1 after eating just 1 oz. of the following nuts:

Almonds - 4.79 pills

Cashews - 2.92 pills

Macadamia - 0.42 pills

Pistachio - 5.06 pills

Walnut - 11.08 pills

And this is for only 1 oz, which is like around 1/4 cup I believe for most nuts. I'm beginning to think just getting a 1 to 1 ratio using fish oil isn't natural. Its probably way too much EPA and DHA. To get the 1 to 1 using a lot more ALA is probably more natural, since that's what we get from green veggies and flax, etc.

 

I agree. I eat eggs everyday, avacados and such that have a pretty high o6 amount. SUpplementing only with fish oil wouldn't really be feasible. I take my two teaspoons (3 grams o3) of fish oil a day and then balance out the rest with flax seeds. I also get additional amounts from vegetables and leafy greens. ALA is also the precursor to the other forms, so if we have enough from the fish, excessive amounts won't get converted so flax seems like it would be a safer route when trying to balance higher amounts. When in doubt, I always say take a little bit of everything.

I, too, wonder if there is an optimal range of EFA's. Personally, I just eat my regular diet and don't worry too much. I just eat moderate amounts. I don't avoid o6 but I don't overdose on it either. Same thing with o3. I just match whatever my o6 is. I think we all just have to find our own personal balance. Personally, fish oil isn't enough for me. I need about 5 tablespoons of flax a day to maintain skin clarity and also to keep knee pain (patellar tendonitis) at bay. If I dip then symptoms start to creep back. The optimal range is probably somewhat different for everyone.

I agree. I eat eggs everyday, avacados and such that have a pretty high o6 amount. SUpplementing only with fish oil wouldn't really be feasible. I take my two teaspoons (3 grams o3) of fish oil a day and then balance out the rest with flax seeds. I also get additional amounts from vegetables and leafy greens. ALA is also the precursor to the other forms, so if we have enough from the fish, excessive amounts won't get converted so flax seems like it would be a safer route when trying to balance higher amounts. When in doubt, I always say take a little bit of everything.

I, too, wonder if there is an optimal range of EFA's. Personally, I just eat my regular diet and don't worry too much. I just eat moderate amounts. I don't avoid o6 but I don't overdose on it either. Same thing with o3. I just match whatever my o6 is. I think we all just have to find our own personal balance. Personally, fish oil isn't enough for me. I need about 5 tablespoons of flax a day to maintain skin clarity and also to keep knee pain (patellar tendonitis) at bay. If I dip then symptoms start to creep back. The optimal range is probably somewhat different for everyone.

I'm sure this has been already posted somewhere in the 29 pages of this thread, but from wikipedia I found:

The National Institutes of Health recently published recommended daily intakes of fatty acids, specific recommendations include 650 mg of EPA and DHA, 2.22 g/day of alpha-linolenic acid and 4.44 g/day of linoleic acid.

I doubt this is necessarily the optimal amount though.

I agree. I eat eggs everyday, avacados and such that have a pretty high o6 amount. SUpplementing only with fish oil wouldn't really be feasible. I take my two teaspoons (3 grams o3) of fish oil a day and then balance out the rest with flax seeds. I also get additional amounts from vegetables and leafy greens. ALA is also the precursor to the other forms, so if we have enough from the fish, excessive amounts won't get converted so flax seems like it would be a safer route when trying to balance higher amounts. When in doubt, I always say take a little bit of everything.

I, too, wonder if there is an optimal range of EFA's. Personally, I just eat my regular diet and don't worry too much. I just eat moderate amounts. I don't avoid o6 but I don't overdose on it either. Same thing with o3. I just match whatever my o6 is. I think we all just have to find our own personal balance. Personally, fish oil isn't enough for me. I need about 5 tablespoons of flax a day to maintain skin clarity and also to keep knee pain (patellar tendonitis) at bay. If I dip then symptoms start to creep back. The optimal range is probably somewhat different for everyone.

I'm sure this has been already posted somewhere in the 29 pages of this thread, but from wikipedia I found:

 

The National Institutes of Health recently published recommended daily intakes of fatty acids, specific recommendations include 650 mg of EPA and DHA, 2.22 g/day of alpha-linolenic acid and 4.44 g/day of linoleic acid.

I doubt this is necessarily the optimal amount though.

 

Especially for someone with an inflammatory condition. Compound that with the fact that probably all of us have had horrible efa ratios for 10, 15, 20 years. I know for bllod pressure the recommended dosage is about 10 grams of fish oil (10 pills) so that would figure into the same amount that many people here are experimenting with. Someone exhibiting chronic inflammatory symptoms (acne, tendonitis, arthritis etc.) would need a much higher dose to combat the problem.

Has anyone else read that the main symptom of Omega 3 deficiency is DRY Skin? I have oily skin and have been taking 4000 - 6000 g per day but now I read that O3 is beneficial for DRY skin so maybe I'm making things worse.

Been doing some thinking.

So the theory of chronic inflammatory diseases(like acne theoretically) is that we have an over expressed cox-2 enzyme which enables our bodies(or specific cells) to create excessive amounts of pro-inflammatory eicosanoids using arachidonic acid as the substrate.

this enzyme is over expressed because of such a dramatic deviance from our traditional o6/o3 ratio. So then to correct this you may need to overcompensate either sides of the ratio for a therapeutic effect. So it would be a good idea to really cut back on o6 as well as increasing o3.Because if 1:1 is the ideal then a corrective dose would be like 1:10 of o6/o3.

For example in one day getting only 1 gram o6 and taking 10-20 grams of o3 as well for a specified period of time.

Because if your cox-2 is overexpressed its gonna take alot to correct it at a rate where you can really notice the results. And if your genes are set up right now to very efficiently create pro-inflammatory eicosanoids, you really do not want to support that pathway any longer.

this is how im fine tuning my approach, i thought other people might be interested in this idea as well.

you mean, 4-6 g, right?

either way, I would personally cease taking O3... I take it in rather small quantities (carlsen, 2 teaspoons a day) because of its many other benefits. I've never actually heard of treating acne with fish oil, this has been an interesting read.

Oh gosh, I broke out. I seriously feel like giving up

But I can't afford to, it's very saddening when you see that happen. Especially after all this time, it's such a tease :'(

What are we doing so wrong? I don't understand. We have everything we need, is it just more time? How much more... I just don't know.

I broke out, oddly it doesn't hurt. It's a bump, a good size, but it doesn't even hurt, or it's not inflammed. It's like a weird break out. what the heck?! It's like it can be a white head, but it's skin colored, yet it's not a cyst, it's very strange... I don't understand.

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I am glad I am using sam's club brand, phew! It's dirt cheap too

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do u know if sams brand is made from fish body oil or fish liver oil?

I just got a bottle of Nutrilite Salmom Omega-3 softgels. 120 softgels inside.

One softgel has:

d-Alpha Tocopherol (Vitamin E) - 30 i.u

Salmon Oil - 1030.5mg

~ 1030.5mg of Salmon Oil contains:

- EPA - 180mg

- DHA - 120mg

Is this ok? How many should I take each day?

BTW, I'd say I eat fish 4-5 times a week. Most of the time it's fried. I don't eat cereals but I do eat rice everyday... not that it contains omega-3...

Your diet seems pretty healthy, try and map out your daily intake if you can. But if not, I would say start out with 6 daily, 2 at each main meal. You should be safe with that. And keep an eye on any side effects, which I doubt you should have at such a low level 🙂

Good luck, keep us posted.

 

I've begun to adopt a healthy diet for the past month. I live in an asian country so we don't usualy go for beef steak, burgers, pizzas, and such. At home I eat some fruits everyday, and lots of veggies. I try eating less meat and protein, almost completely stopped dairy products, and less oily food as well. Even when I eat out, which I need to because I'm outside a lot (I hate being outside though because of my face), I usually eat soup noodles, which aren't oily and although they contain food flavouring (for the tasty soup) I don't finish drinking the soup. The only time when I have to consume those tasty, toxic food is when I go to dinners at posh restaurants.

My skin has seen improvements, but I'll have to wait fort he active ones to go away first. What I really cant stand is the hyper-pigmentation. Mine is a really serious case of pigmentation. It's almost black or dark red. It sickens and makes me depressed.

BUT I really can't take 6 pills a day. A bottle of Nutrilite Omega-3 with 120 softgels costs me RM100 (around US$25-30) and to finish the whole thing in 20 days is way too expensive for me. The recommended dosage on the bottle is one per day... is that not enough to have an effect? At most I can take 2 a day, that's all.

Hey guys, I was thinking of joining the omega 3 bandwagon, but i'm not too sure on which fish oil to get. I think i've found a good one - it's called "PureEPA" from [Removed]

One 500mg capsule contains:

FISH OIL 330mg, of which pure EPA 300mg (90%concentrate)

BORAGE OIL 100mg of which 24% GLA

VIT E 15mg

ZERO DHA

As you can see it contains absolutely no DHA.. Is that a bad thing?

Would taking 6 capsules a day be a good dosage?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Hey guys, I was thinking of joining the omega 3 bandwagon, but i'm not too sure on which fish oil to get. I think i've found a good one - it's called "PureEPA" from mind1st.co.uk

One 500mg capsule contains:

FISH OIL 330mg, of which pure EPA 300mg (90%concentrate)

BORAGE OIL 100mg of which 24% GLA

VIT E 15mg

ZERO DHA

As you can see it contains absolutely no DHA.. Is that a bad thing?

Would taking 6 capsules a day be a good dosage?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Yeah, you want DHA in there which is somewhat more important and almost impossible for males to produce (are you male?). Definately get soemthing with both.

Has anyone else read that the main symptom of Omega 3 deficiency is DRY Skin? I have oily skin and have been taking 4000 - 6000 g per day but now I read that O3 is beneficial for DRY skin so maybe I'm making things worse.

Skin moisturization has to do with the water levels in the skin. Normal skin has a bout a 10% water content, while dry skin dips to around 5%. Sebaceous oil doesn't actually moisturize the skin as far as we know, so you woulnd't be making the problem worse.

As general rule, dietary changes shouldn't be looked at as direct relationships, meaning: intake of fish oil= less sebum or more sebum. Dietary changes aid your body to operate normally and optimally so it can fix anything that may be ascew. I woulnd't worry about fish oil making anything dramatically worse.