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our bodies make epa and dha out of ala, which is obtainable from many foods. while the benefits of fish oil have to do with the existence of epa and dha that have been preformed independant of the body, there fore they suggest that this is beneficial to the body, but i believe their may be a reason why these substances are regulated by the body, because it knows how much you need. another thing with inflammation and manipulating its response, you are better off finding and dealing with the cause of inflammation in the first place, and that may be bacteria and the injurious by products that it makes to clog pores and mess up the functioning of the sebaceous gland.i believe if you want to manipulate your bodys inflammatory response, just consume less omega 6, but do not take fish oil.
in fact i now belive most animal food products to be unnecessary as plants have fiber which is need to keep up the populations of bacteria in the intestine, among thousands of other things for health. Animal protein and food products plae in comparison to plant foods.
Yes our bodies do make EPA and DHA from ALA but as with everything that requires conversion within your body you have a conversion ratio and for some the amount of ALA that is being converted to EPA or DHA may be much lower than others especially if your body is not functioning as well as it should be. Just like when you take for example 10,000 IU of beta carotene your bodies not going to actually make 10,000 IU of Vitamin A because the conversion ratio of beta carotene to Vitamin A is not 1:1. In fact for a lot of people the conversion ratio is very low. So in the same sense you may be able to get EPA and DHA simply from ALA but your body may not be making enough EPA and DHA to make any real impact on your current health condition.
I think the quality of fish oil you're taking is more important than anything else. Fish can be loaded with mercury when they're being harvested out of the ocean as well as a lot of the chemical processes they use to manufacture and "purify" the fish oil destroys the whole Omega's and antioxidants and vitamins from the fish. Then you hardly even know what kind of fish they're even using in some of them because they use several different sources. Personally I've started taking a new fish oil supplement made by New Chapter which is made from wild caught alaskan salmon and the quality seems to be very good. The amount of EPA and DHA per softgel is lower than what you normally find because the purity is much better.
You can see a video of the New Chapter fish oil here and they show how they harvest the fish and how theirs is different than the others.
http://www.newchapter.com/structure-functions/fish-oil
When you take high quality fish oil that is more in it's natural state it shouldn't be much different than eating fish on a regular basis and fish is a staple in many diets around world especially in Asia. Fish is something that we've been consuming as a primary food source for thousands of years so it's not something I worry about deterring my health when I know I'm getting it from a quality source.
our bodies make epa and dha out of ala, which is obtainable from many foods. while the benefits of fish oil have to do with the existence of epa and dha that have been preformed independant of the body, there fore they suggest that this is beneficial to the body, but i believe their may be a reason why these substances are regulated by the body, because it knows how much you need. another thing with inflammation and manipulating its response, you are better off finding and dealing with the cause of inflammation in the first place, and that may be bacteria and the injurious by products that it makes to clog pores and mess up the functioning of the sebaceous gland.i believe if you want to manipulate your bodys inflammatory response, just consume less omega 6, but do not take fish oil.
in fact i now belive most animal food products to be unnecessary as plants have fiber which is need to keep up the populations of bacteria in the intestine, among thousands of other things for health. Animal protein and food products plae in comparison to plant foods.
Yes our bodies do make EPA and DHA from ALA but as with everything that requires conversion within your body you have a conversion ratio and for some the amount of ALA that is being converted to EPA or DHA may be much lower than others especially if your body is not functioning as well as it should be. Just like when you take for example 10,000 IU of beta carotene your bodies not going to actually make 10,000 IU of Vitamin A because the conversion ratio of beta carotene to Vitamin A is not 1:1. In fact for a lot of people the conversion ratio is very low. So in the same sense you may be able to get EPA and DHA simply from ALA but your body may not be making enough EPA and DHA to make any real impact on your current health condition.
I think the quality of fish oil you're taking is more important than anything else. Fish can be loaded with mercury when they're being harvested out of the ocean as well as a lot of the chemical processes they use to manufacture and "purify" the fish oil destroys the whole Omega's and antioxidants and vitamins from the fish. Then you hardly even know what kind of fish they're even using in some of them because they use several different sources. Personally I've started taking a new fish oil supplement made by New Chapter which is made from wild caught alaskan salmon and the quality seems to be very good. The amount of EPA and DHA per softgel is lower than what you normally find because the purity is much better.
You can see a video of the New Chapter fish oil here and they show how they harvest the fish and how theirs is different than the others.
http://www.newchapter.com/structure-functions/fish-oil
When you take high quality fish oil that is more in it's natural state it shouldn't be much different than eating fish on a regular basis and fish is a staple in many diets around world especially in Asia. Fish is something that we've been consuming as a primary food source for thousands of years so it's not something I worry about deterring my health when I know I'm getting it from a quality source.
perhaps something that has to be so processed for human consumption, we have to question whether it was even made for human consumption at all?
whatever, i posted the latest studies on fish oil/ omega 3 so there really is little room for debate, regardless of how long this thread is has no regard to what is real and true.
perhaps something that has to be so processed for human consumption, we have to question whether it was even made for human consumption at all?whatever, i posted the latest studies on fish oil/ omega 3 so there really is little room for debate, regardless of how long this thread is has no regard to what is real and true.
I'm not sure what you're talking about in reference to something that has to be so processed for human consumption but like I said fish has been a staple in the diets of many cultures for thousands of years so when consumed in the right proportions should not pose any of these threats you're asserting from taking fish oil. Overdosing on most any vitamin, herb, Omega, nutrient, ect. usually can cause problems so fish oil should be treated in the same regard. If I overdose on Vitamin A I can cause myself lots of problems as well but that doesn't mean I need to stop getting any Vitamin A in my diet.
Those studies that you posted really should be taken with a grain of salt because although they did provide some interesting questions as to the safety of fish oil they're in no way conclusive because things like the quality of the fish oil used, the amount of fish oil used, the rancidy of the fish oil, the condition of the mice and people used in the study, ect all plays a role in the outcome of the results and results from one case study may be polar opposites in the next study. I agree that mega dosing fish oil likely isn't a good idea and could pose a health risk. I don't see those same health risks from taking a high quality natural fish oil source like the New Chapter one I linked which uses wild caught alaskan salmon in much lower doses in comparison to other fish oil supplements. Two gel caps of the New Chapter brand which is the recommended dose is only 500mg. I've been taken four a day however to get at least 1 gram of Omega 3 from fish oil a day because it helps with my skin.
If you want to get some more opinions on the studies you linked a good place for you to post about it would be on the imminst.org forums. I found a couple of threads real quick that were debating the dangers of taking fish oil on the basis of the studies you were posting before.
- first study is pretty interesting re: HDL levels. i actually may slightly cut back on my fish in-take and focus more on legumes like lentils. it seems some of it is genetic, as the prior poster suggests. but my HDL is on the low side and i eat a fair amount of fish.- i don't see a control group in that last study, which would be kind of nice.
- i think you are confusing the fact that this study choose to use mice with a genetic profile that exhibited accelerated senescence and the fish oil happened to help it along the most out of the 4 oils. the mouse were already programmed for accelerated senescence, regardless of the oils.
- i don't know HOW MUCH worse the deposits were in the fish oil vs. the olive oil. the data isn't disclosed in this abstract.
- no sane person eats only 1 oil or 1 food only their entire life like some mouse in a lab study.
- it's not very surprising to me at least, that the olive oil was better than fish for amyloid plaques and overall health. but that doesn't mean fish oil by itself is worthless or very dangerous.
i lean towards the higher DHA fish oils becuz i think their value for brain/body health is pretty solid. but like any sane human begin, i recognize the importance of olive oil and put it on all my salads. i also take curcumin, nicotinic acid, and a few other things every now and then. india has a low incidence of alzheimers but a high level of type 2 diabetes. do what the indians do... eat curry.
assuming someone eats a healthy diet and a bit of fish oil is part of it, i don't see why the average person should be seriously alarmed by these studies. but i am not an expert on AApoAII either.
I'm not going to stop using fish oil. These studies were feeding huge amounts of oil, 4% of the diet, to mice who had a serious genetic defect. I would need 70 grams of fish oil to match these mice, and I don't even have a senescence acceleration gene defect. At present I take 2 grams of fish oil per day. If the study tells us anything, it's probably that oils with a high degree of unsaturation shouldn't make up a large part of our diet. Most of us are taking fish oil in a pharmacological rather than a nutritional dose.EDIT: Ahem... a wee math error crept in. Make that 11 grams of fish oil to match the mice, as per Jay's post below. (No, I don't actually have a 16000 calorie diet.) I'm still not going to stop taking it, but I won't be megadosing on it either.
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?sho...372&hl=fish
This Clement's guy clearly has a raw foods, anti-animals foods agenda. The guy is a nut case, and should be totally ignored. So much of what he says can be picked apart by anyone with a little time on their hands. Humans did not evolve on a vegan diet -- we ate animals, and fish. In fact, cultures that still eat mostly fish as their primary protein source appear to have the healthiest, longest lives. Common sense has mysteriously eluded this guy.
You suggest that the studies i provided in no way translate to the practice of taking fish oil supplements, but i ask you too take another look:
To quote one study, the exact finding was an inverse correlation with epa or dha in erythrocytes meaning the more epa or dha that was present, the lower the levels of natural killers cells were detected.
However, natural killer (NK) (CD3-CD16+CD56+) cell numbers were lower in n-3 supplemented subjects than in controls and were inversely related to the amount of eicosapentaenoic acid or docosahexaenoic acid in erythrocytes
This finding almost directly tranfers to the practice of fish oil consumption as fish oil contains preformed epa and dha, and will accomplish the same thing by boosting the levels of these substances, which is the very premise i have celebrated two years ago, this was supposed to be a good thing as it improved the inflammatory response by manipulating it.
better put, lack of omega 3's is most likely not the cause of acne, so i encourage people to go on to the next plan, and eating some fish is probably a safe practice, but taking the oil out of a fish for a health supplement, probably unnecessary.
the studies i posted should not be taken with a grain of salt, because this is documented reality, maybe not the entire reality as benefits were also documented no doubt as this is why the benefits are emphasized, and perhaps the downsides are buried.
Also, the knowledge that science gains is limited to what it can observe, they take snapshots of things to create an entire mapped out picture of something, say fish oils interactions of the body, we must admit that this map of "fish oil" is incomplete and will unfold with time. And fish oil in the form of a supplement, is even more incomplete.
It also takes alot of courage for me to come on here after help starting this very fish oil thread and say that it may have contributed to the development of my tumor, and even providing the exact mechanisms as to how it may have happened (the supression of natural killer cells) , not only have i made myself look like a fool, but ive gone as far as provide a solid argument that goes against everything i was excited about two years earlier, please, do not take my advice with a grain of salt.
perhaps something that has to be so processed for human consumption, we have to question whether it was even made for human consumption at all?
whatever, i posted the latest studies on fish oil/ omega 3 so there really is little room for debate, regardless of how long this thread is has no regard to what is real and true.
I'm not sure what you're talking about in reference to something that has to be so processed for human consumption but like I said fish has been a staple in the diets of many cultures for thousands of years so when consumed in the right proportions should not pose any of these threats you're asserting from taking fish oil. Overdosing on most any vitamin, herb, Omega, nutrient, ect. usually can cause problems so fish oil should be treated in the same regard. If I overdose on Vitamin A I can cause myself lots of problems as well but that doesn't mean I need to stop getting any Vitamin A in my diet.
Those studies that you posted really should be taken with a grain of salt because although they did provide some interesting questions as to the safety of fish oil they're in no way conclusive because things like the quality of the fish oil used, the amount of fish oil used, the rancidy of the fish oil, the condition of the mice and people used in the study, ect all plays a role in the outcome of the results and results from one case study may be polar opposites in the next study. I agree that mega dosing fish oil likely isn't a good idea and could pose a health risk. I don't see those same health risks from taking a high quality natural fish oil source like the New Chapter one I linked which uses wild caught alaskan salmon in much lower doses in comparison to other fish oil supplements. Two gel caps of the New Chapter brand which is the recommended dose is only 500mg. I've been taken four a day however to get at least 1 gram of Omega 3 from fish oil a day because it helps with my skin.
If you want to get some more opinions on the studies you linked a good place for you to post about it would be on the imminst.org forums. I found a couple of threads real quick that were debating the dangers of taking fish oil on the basis of the studies you were posting before.
- first study is pretty interesting re: HDL levels. i actually may slightly cut back on my fish in-take and focus more on legumes like lentils. it seems some of it is genetic, as the prior poster suggests. but my HDL is on the low side and i eat a fair amount of fish.
- i don't see a control group in that last study, which would be kind of nice.
- i think you are confusing the fact that this study choose to use mice with a genetic profile that exhibited accelerated senescence and the fish oil happened to help it along the most out of the 4 oils. the mouse were already programmed for accelerated senescence, regardless of the oils.
- i don't know HOW MUCH worse the deposits were in the fish oil vs. the olive oil. the data isn't disclosed in this abstract.
- no sane person eats only 1 oil or 1 food only their entire life like some mouse in a lab study.
- it's not very surprising to me at least, that the olive oil was better than fish for amyloid plaques and overall health. but that doesn't mean fish oil by itself is worthless or very dangerous.
i lean towards the higher DHA fish oils becuz i think their value for brain/body health is pretty solid. but like any sane human begin, i recognize the importance of olive oil and put it on all my salads. i also take curcumin, nicotinic acid, and a few other things every now and then. india has a low incidence of alzheimers but a high level of type 2 diabetes. do what the indians do... eat curry.
assuming someone eats a healthy diet and a bit of fish oil is part of it, i don't see why the average person should be seriously alarmed by these studies. but i am not an expert on AApoAII either.
I'm not going to stop using fish oil. These studies were feeding huge amounts of oil, 4% of the diet, to mice who had a serious genetic defect. I would need 70 grams of fish oil to match these mice, and I don't even have a senescence acceleration gene defect. At present I take 2 grams of fish oil per day. If the study tells us anything, it's probably that oils with a high degree of unsaturation shouldn't make up a large part of our diet. Most of us are taking fish oil in a pharmacological rather than a nutritional dose.
EDIT: Ahem... a wee math error crept in. Make that 11 grams of fish oil to match the mice, as per Jay's post below. (No, I don't actually have a 16000 calorie diet.) I'm still not going to stop taking it, but I won't be megadosing on it either.
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?sho...372&hl=fish
This Clement's guy clearly has a raw foods, anti-animals foods agenda. The guy is a nut case, and should be totally ignored. So much of what he says can be picked apart by anyone with a little time on their hands. Humans did not evolve on a vegan diet -- we ate animals, and fish. In fact, cultures that still eat mostly fish as their primary protein source appear to have the healthiest, longest lives. Common sense has mysteriously eluded this guy.
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?sho...408&hl=fish
AutonomousOne, I tried to PM you this but your inbox is full:
I know you don't support taking fish oil anymore, but what about taking a primrose oil to get EFA's such as GLA?
I can get fish in my diet for the Omega 3's but is there anything easy to include to get the plant based EFA's?
Here is an attempt to paraphrase from the chunk of this thread that I've actually read:
An imbalance of Omega 3 and Omega 6 Fatty Acids is a pretty huge culprit for acne. The common person has a greatly off-balance ratio for the two. The ideal is 1:1, I think, while many people can be anywhere from 1:8 and so on.
Omega 6 is relatively easy to get, where Omega 3 is rather elusive. Because many Fish Oil pills come with (was it 300mg?) of Omega 3, Fish Oil is such a hot topic. Let's say your usual intake of Omega 6 is 1200mg. To balance it out with Fish Oil pills, you'd need to take 4 pills a day - 1200mg of Omega 3. This would give you a 1:1 ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6.
Where the real work comes in is analyzing one's diet to see just how much O3 and O6 it contains, and making up for any lack by taking supplements. Again, the goal is a more balanced ratio. This can probably by done by sites like NutritionData.com and the like, but it takes quite a bit of work. However, Omega 3 and 6 in-take should also be in-check with levels of consumed Omega 9.
The length of this thread is probably in-part because a lot of the active participants were not only sharing their revelations but also scientific journalism to satisfy their claims. Which, I must add, is very impressive. In fact, in many places, this thread seems to tumble into scientific/biological explanation.
So, this thread takes a look at acne through the view of nutrition, supplements, etc.
Hope that paraphrase was not only accurate but helpful.
Let's just get the facts straight here. Taking a fish oil supplement (1200mg) once a day or possibly twice a day (2.4 g's) is beneficial to not just your skin but your overall health. AutonomousOne, you were taking somewhere along the lines of 9 a day so you roughly had 10.8 grams of Omega 3 a day for two years? I mean, what did you expect? It's like the dude claiming 50,000 I.U of Vitamin A cleared up his acne but now he's turning orange. I don't mean to sound like a dick but if you don't take the recommended dosage of said supplement you definitely cannot attribute your complications to that supplement. Everyone, when you buy vitamins/supplements, read the directions and follow them. They are their for a reason.
Let's just get the facts straight here. Taking a fish oil supplement (1200mg) once a day or possibly twice a day (2.4 g's) is beneficial to not just your skin but your overall health. AutonomousOne, you were taking somewhere along the lines of 9 a day so you roughly had 10.8 grams of Omega 3 a day for two years? I mean, what did you expect? It's like the dude claiming 50,000 I.U of Vitamin A cleared up his acne but now he's turning orange. I don't mean to sound like a dick but if you don't take the recommended dosage of said supplement you definitely cannot attribute your complications to that supplement. Everyone, when you buy vitamins/supplements, read the directions and follow them. They are their for a reason.
no i took around 8 grams or so for two or three months, then maybe 1 gram a day or every other day, not 17 grams for two years. We are supposed to eat foods that smell and taste good, there is nothing appealing about a pill with oil in it, i respect science, but i now respect nature much more to identify what is suitable for human consumption, your nose knows!! generally speaking of course.
Well this is what I think on the subject.
Autonomous makes a lot of good points and inflammation is something that can be looked upon through many different prospectives. Since many people on this forum suffer from a chronic inflammatory disease, it is quite apparent how omega 3's would be beneficial. However, anti-inflammatory mechanisms by their very nature, have a downfall as well, one of which Autonomous is talking about.
Me personally? Well I started taking Carlson's fish oil glass bottle supplement recently AGAIN, and I am glad I did because it's been helping me fight my dermatitis. I make sure to take normal dosages and it is not a permanent solution. It's scary to let a supplement go when it is very beneficial to something tangible and something you can notice on a daily basis.
I used to take fish oil and cod liver oil at normal dosages for i'd say about a year. Together with that I also overdosed on Vitamin A, as I believe some of you already know. My liver has definitely taken some damage because of that, and I just don't know how much was the Vit A and how much was the fish oil, and that whole game. Fortunatly for me, an ultrasound did not reveal any tumors so I can say from experience I didn't have the same unfortunate event as you did autonomus.
I think Autonomus should be listened too and I am very sorry he has to deal with a liver tumor. I wish you the best in your recovery and I hope you get better soon! He shouldn't be criticized but rather he is just looking out for the acne.org community, regardless or not if he is right or wrong in his conjecture. It definitely presents a different side to the argument, which is very healthy.
I will continue taking fish oil but with close monitoring and caution. I wish it was a permanent solution to my problems, but It would be naive to believe so. My advice to the community would be to stay within normal dosages and watch how long your taking such supplement for carefully.
Everyone's different. Period.
I can throbbing headaches and tiredness when I take in fish oils. My skin gets extremely oily, so I get huge cysts. Just as many people reported positive benefits, so people have reported many negative effects.
And I believe Autonomous 100%. Dr. Fuhrman often reports that people who take fish oils have extremely messed up liver enzyme levels. Since the liver is responsible for processing fats, this makes sense, and I'm not surprised autonomous got a tumor.
I feel great when I eat salmon or oily fish. That shows my body can handle EFAs in the context of whole foods! Fish oils, devoid of food context, reek havoc in my body.
Well, I think of it like this. Fish is a complex food.
Take salmon.
Know why it's red? Because of the powerful antioxidant carotenoid astaxanthin. This antioxidant is the strongest known to man. It's there to prevent the highly volatile fish oil (polyunsaturated fats) from going rancid. Last time I checked, man tries to get around this by adding a bunch of antioxidants to fish oil supplements. I doubt that works well.
Salmon also contains selenium. A molecule known to help detoxify many toxic chemicals. Researchers never take this into account when they consider "toxicity" of fish or fish oils. Nature has protective measures for man when he chooses to consume fish.
Fish liver contains a balance of vitamin A and D. Vitamin D buffers the toxicity of Vitamin A, acting as an antagonist.
So you can see how fish is a perfect food. And fish oil is not. Take fish oil out of the food context of fish and you have an unnatural food. And yes, I believe olive oil is not natural either; it is a processed food.
But olive oil tastes good. Try drinking fish oil without the lemon coverup in Carlson's. It tastes like bullshit -- no one would deliberately add fish oil to their meals. And you don't go around drinking and eating smelly things in a natural setting.
This notion that taking fish oil is not natural strikes me as a little bit odd. Just like when you add olive oil to your salad... why not the same with fish oil?
Well John, I was sorta playing devil's advocate on that one and i'll explain why. First, I agree with you that eating fish whole is just completely different. A fish is a complex organism and its oil is simply an isolate. Olive oil is incredibly healthy due to its monounsaturated content and like a fish, it too is a complex organism. You can't simply frown upon isolates because they aren't with their complex whole. I am very much anti-processed foods, but on a different level and by that I mean foods that are commercially processed and found in junk food.
I am being very vague and not explaining myself for a good reason.
The argument on this thread boggles down to, is it working for you? If so,< enter health claims here> is it not working for you? <enter the harm it can do here>
If fish oil did not work so amazingly well for my dermatitis guess what? I probably would be agreeing with you from the beginning. Although, I am glad there are people who it doesn't work for because unfortunately there are negative effects of fish oil and I am glad you guys are exposing them.
Ultimately people will do what gives them instant gratification and good results. That does not mean you shouldn't proceed with caution.
What fish oil does to me? Well I feel like it changes the consistency of my sebum and stops whatever is living in my pores from living. Of course I can't say enough about the anti-inflammatory properties of fish oil and omega 3's in general. (This is just my speculation/observation. I am not a scientist.... yet!)
Sowet: I know what you mean. That's how us humans work. I'm arguing against fish oil because it has bad effects on my body. You like fish oil because it helps the dermatitis induced by vitamin a excess.
But still, my personal philosophy is that nutritional isolates ARE harmful because they aren't taken in the context of a natural food item. I strongly believe this, that all supplements are completely unnecessary and are the result of a extremely reductionist type of thinking. It's a false type of security.
Example, beta carotene isolated is associated with increased lung cancer levels; yet foods high in beta-carotene are associated with so many health benefits. The reason is that antioxidants work in concert with each other. In the case of excess beta-carotene, it outcompetes and displaces the other carotenoids like Lutein, which are just as essential for eye and lung health. It's not wonder that, in most all natural foods, lutein and beta-carotene are found together. Scientists told us to take beta-carotene 10 years ago. Now what??
Who knows what studies may come out about fish oil in 10 years?
Science is intrinsically reductionist; and nutritional scientist is young. They try to isolate one component and measure its benefits. But nature is so much more complex than that, and I think our bodies recognizes that. I think you should know that fact on a personal level. As of now, science does not have the authority to tell me what INDIVIDUAL nutrients work in concert with each other, much less their necessary dosages.
Just my three cents. As fish oil improves your dermatitis, I encourage you to keep on using it. But at the end of the day, in the long term you are best off not taking any supplements that may further tax your liver (vitamin a taxes your liver). Good luck!
Well John, I was sorta playing devil's advocate on that one and i'll explain why. First, I agree with you that eating fish whole is just completely different. A fish is a complex organism and its oil is simply an isolate. Olive oil is incredibly healthy due to its monounsaturated content and like a fish, it too is a complex organism. You can't simply frown upon isolates because they aren't with their complex whole. I am very much anti-processed foods, but on a different level and by that I mean foods that are commercially processed and found in junk food.
I am being very vague and not explaining myself for a good reason.
The argument on this thread boggles down to, is it working for you? If so,< enter health claims here> is it not working for you? <enter the harm it can do here>
If fish oil did not work so amazingly well for my dermatitis guess what? I probably would be agreeing with you from the beginning. Although, I am glad there are people who it doesn't work for because unfortunately there are negative effects of fish oil and I am glad you guys are exposing them.
Ultimately people will do what gives them instant gratification and good results. That does not mean you shouldn't proceed with caution.
What fish oil does to me? Well I feel like it changes the consistency of my sebum and stops whatever is living in my pores from living. Of course I can't say enough about the anti-inflammatory properties of fish oil and omega 3's in general. (This is just my speculation/observation. I am not a scientist.... yet!)
I agree 100%
I took a nutrition class in college last semester and I was rather disgusted with the instructors narrow mindedness. I am against nutritional supplements because as you said, and has been said before, your body is intrinsic.
A perfect biological example that is fairly recent. The Human Genome project busts all of the possible genes... yet... little did they know that the same gene can cause two completely different mutations. This whole new branch of biology is now coined epigenetics because it studies how genes are activated and so forth.
I always take my fish oil in moderate doses and during my meals so that it can be better assimilated and I suggest everyone to do the same.
And John, not only does it help my dermatitis... but man if you saw the difference it has made on my skin within a day.... you would not believe it. I chose this route instead of going with cortisones that my dermatologist had prescribed. So far I am glad I did.
By no means am I new to fish oil either, I have used fish oil supplements for about a year in the past for my acne. I have mix feelings about it, but I still believe that it helped my acne because I honestly feel like it changes the consistency of the sebum that is released by more pores.... I feel like the sebum becomes moisturizing instead of drying and irritating.
One last thing... I never take fish oil when my skin is dry and there isn't sebum already present because although I havent tested this in a long time, what used to happen is that it would actually make my skin very red and wierd looking. Instead if I take it at night after an entire day of not washing my face, then that sebum that is lying there becomes very soothing and gives my face an awesome shine instead of that sticky irritating sebum that usually lies there.
I wish you the best and hope that you can beat your vitamin a toxicity symptoms ASAP. No one likes to live in the shadow of their own mistakes, and I'm sure these regrets follow you. And as much as I don't like fish oil (I've taken it for years with bad results), I hope that it continually gives you results.
I agree 100%I took a nutrition class in college last semester and I was rather disgusted with the instructors narrow mindedness. I am against nutritional supplements because as you said, and has been said before, your body is intrinsic.
A perfect biological example that is fairly recent. The Human Genome project busts all of the possible genes... yet... little did they know that the same gene can cause two completely different mutations. This whole new branch of biology is now coined epigenetics because it studies how genes are activated and so forth.
I always take my fish oil in moderate doses and during my meals so that it can be better assimilated and I suggest everyone to do the same.
And John, not only does it help my dermatitis... but man if you saw the difference it has made on my skin within a day.... you would not believe it. I chose this route instead of going with cortisones that my dermatologist had prescribed. So far I am glad I did.
By no means am I new to fish oil either, I have used fish oil supplements for about a year in the past for my acne. I have mix feelings about it, but I still believe that it helped my acne because I honestly feel like it changes the consistency of the sebum that is released by more pores.... I feel like the sebum becomes moisturizing instead of drying and irritating.