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i think you understand this fairly well, we try to isolate one cause for something and the effects it has, but we are looking at complex systems, where elements work synergistically, and well, as systems!!
To update my veiws on fish oil in relation to my liver tumor id like to say that it is most likely that fish oil may have had a role in its development, but i now believe the true cause to be toxins that were absorbed through the intestinal wall, due to my crohn's disease/dysbiosis, or contaminated chili powder, or a combination of all at once. SO i do not blame fish oil as the sole cause, it just could have aided the process by its immune supressing functions. Fish oil at moderate amounts could be ok to use, but i still believe they are unecessary and suggest lowering omega 6 instead. If you have ANY unknown cancers, polyunsaturated fats can increase the rate of metastasis by a heck of alot according to studies, last thing you would ever want to due is give something like that fuel to grow, the whole ployunsaturated fat craze is damn near insanity. yea, its importance is now solidified in human bodily function, but taken a bit out of hand. Foods are being fortified with polyunsaturated fats to increase sales, do not fall for this bs, avoid processed garbage that attemts to compete with nature, you cant always improve on nature, you abide by its laws, and thats the best you might do.
Sowet: I know what you mean. That's how us humans work. I'm arguing against fish oil because it has bad effects on my body. You like fish oil because it helps the dermatitis induced by vitamin a excess.
But still, my personal philosophy is that nutritional isolates ARE harmful because they aren't taken in the context of a natural food item. I strongly believe this, that all supplements are completely unnecessary and are the result of a extremely reductionist type of thinking. It's a false type of security.
Example, beta carotene isolated is associated with increased lung cancer levels; yet foods high in beta-carotene are associated with so many health benefits. The reason is that antioxidants work in concert with each other. In the case of excess beta-carotene, it outcompetes and displaces the other carotenoids like Lutein, which are just as essential for eye and lung health. It's not wonder that, in most all natural foods, lutein and beta-carotene are found together. Scientists told us to take beta-carotene 10 years ago. Now what??
Who knows what studies may come out about fish oil in 10 years?
Science is intrinsically reductionist; and nutritional scientist is young. They try to isolate one component and measure its benefits. But nature is so much more complex than that, and I think our bodies recognizes that. I think you should know that fact on a personal level. As of now, science does not have the authority to tell me what INDIVIDUAL nutrients work in concert with each other, much less their necessary dosages.
Just my three cents. As fish oil improves your dermatitis, I encourage you to keep on using it. But at the end of the day, in the long term you are best off not taking any supplements that may further tax your liver (vitamin a taxes your liver). Good luck!
Well John, I was sorta playing devil's advocate on that one and i'll explain why. First, I agree with you that eating fish whole is just completely different. A fish is a complex organism and its oil is simply an isolate. Olive oil is incredibly healthy due to its monounsaturated content and like a fish, it too is a complex organism. You can't simply frown upon isolates because they aren't with their complex whole. I am very much anti-processed foods, but on a different level and by that I mean foods that are commercially processed and found in junk food.
I am being very vague and not explaining myself for a good reason.
The argument on this thread boggles down to, is it working for you? If so,< enter health claims here> is it not working for you? <enter the harm it can do here>
If fish oil did not work so amazingly well for my dermatitis guess what? I probably would be agreeing with you from the beginning. Although, I am glad there are people who it doesn't work for because unfortunately there are negative effects of fish oil and I am glad you guys are exposing them.
Ultimately people will do what gives them instant gratification and good results. That does not mean you shouldn't proceed with caution.
What fish oil does to me? Well I feel like it changes the consistency of my sebum and stops whatever is living in my pores from living. Of course I can't say enough about the anti-inflammatory properties of fish oil and omega 3's in general. (This is just my speculation/observation. I am not a scientist.... yet!)
This thread has some very good points, about the synergistic nature of nutrition.
My fish oil has 36 % omega 3. How much is it recommended that I take? I've usually taken a good sip/gulp (tastes horrible but I'd rather not have gelcaps) but now I've been eating fish every day for a couple of days so I've skipped the fish oil.
i helped start this bubble now im going to bust it.do NOT take extra omega 3 supplements, they decrease natural killer cells, which are responsible for getting rid of mutated cells that start tumor growth, i can say this from experiance and provide studies to support the claim.
I was an advocate of fish oil some two years back and took it regularly for two years, initially at very high doses.
this was a big mistake, now i have a liver tumor and the suspect at fault was my consumption of fish oil.
Not sure if you remember me, but i'd just like to throw out there that I also quit taking fish oil supplements.
i helped start this bubble now im going to bust it.do NOT take extra omega 3 supplements, they decrease natural killer cells, which are responsible for getting rid of mutated cells that start tumor growth, i can say this from experiance and provide studies to support the claim.
I was an advocate of fish oil some two years back and took it regularly for two years, initially at very high doses.
this was a big mistake, now i have a liver tumor and the suspect at fault was my consumption of fish oil.
Not sure if you remember me, but i'd just like to throw out there that I also quit taking fish oil supplements.
vaguely but yea i remember, i think you are on my friends list actually i dont recall any precise conversations off hand, but i did add some more comment sabou tthis in the posts after this one, they might interest you, the tumor may have also been caused by bacterial flora as well, due to a major hit of antibiotics, but i may really never know.
i've been taking seven seas fish oil tablets with omega 3 fish oils but also cod liver oil and multivitamins in one capsule
i've been taking these for a long time and i'm not sure i've had much results and after looking through this thread i think i know why
each capsule contains:
cod liver oil 500mg
omega 3 fish oils 120mg
of which EPA & DHA 100mg
Then vitamins A B C D in varying mg's
i see some people have been taking 1000's of mg of omega 3 oils with results ,
i have 2 problems , firstly i don't know how much omega 6 is in the foods i eat , also where can i find supplements with such high mg's of omega 3 , i've never seen anything past 500mg's
also should i just stop taking the supplements i'm on at the moment and look for an alternative?
i helped start this bubble now im going to bust it.do NOT take extra omega 3 supplements, they decrease natural killer cells, which are responsible for getting rid of mutated cells that start tumor growth, i can say this from experiance and provide studies to support the claim.
I was an advocate of fish oil some two years back and took it regularly for two years, initially at very high doses.
this was a big mistake, now i have a liver tumor and the suspect at fault was my consumption of fish oil.
Not sure if you remember me, but i'd just like to throw out there that I also quit taking fish oil supplements.
What dosage were you taking?
Who knows what studies may come out about fish oil in 10 years?
Fish oil has been common in Norway for centuries. The oldest commercial producer is more than 150 years old. Earlier it was even mandatory for school children to eat fish oil. The potential for severe side effects is therefore limited.
One known side effect is increased risk of osteoporosis due to the high level of vitamin A in fish oil. The level of vitamin A has since been reduced by the commercial producers.
The use of fish oil in Norway does of course not relate to acne, but has been used as a source of vitamin D in the winter months (September to April) with limited sun exposure. Anchorage in Alaska would be located in South Norway...
I had severe acne from age 17 to 35. I used every antibiotic seemingly known to man. Finally Bactrim worked along with 3 courses of Accutane. Bactrim always worked well. Finally someone told me to try Flax Oil. At age 35 I stared taking Flax Oil pills. I haven't taken any oral medication since for my acne.
Sure, I have had an occasional flare up, but I just increase the Omega 3s and 6s. I have since switched to Fish Oil. 5000mg per day. No Flare-Ups! Finally at age 48 I am acne free.
On a side note, I have had 2 Dermabrasions. They reduced scarring, but I think the psychological benefits were greater than the physical ones.
Mike
I would recommend all of you consider changing your milk to hemp seed milk. I stopped using it and went back to regular dairy and I'm pretty sure that is what is breaking me out quite a bit. The hemp milk has tons of Omega fats and it is much healthier than having dairy. Flax seed & hemp seeds on everything also helps quite a bit. It would be easier to get the fats through your diet through these healthy foods as well as take them as supplements because you could probably avoid some unhealthy fats if you eat some walnuts or something as part of your diet.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwe...69:b35102566:z0
This guy sais that you should take omega to fight cancer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12442909
YOU NEED TO GET A GOOD RATIO! You should look at your ratio and amounts. And depend your dosage on that. As recommended you should go for 2:1 omega6:omega3 ratio. If you go over 4:1 you will get bad things. If you go under 1:1 you will get bad things. The point is with supplementing is that when you take 3g:0.5g then 1g omega is good. But when you have a more healthy ratio. OR low amounts of omgea 3 and 6 like : 200g:25g then youll get big trouble supplementing 1g of fish oil a day.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwe...69:b35102566:z0This guy sais that you should take omega to fight cancer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12442909
YOU NEED TO GET A GOOD RATIO! You should look at your ratio and amounts. And depend your dosage on that. As recommended you should go for 2:1 omega6:omega3 ratio. If you go over 4:1 you will get bad things. If you go under 1:1 you will get bad things. The point is with supplementing is that when you take 3g:0.5g then 1g omega is good. But when you have a more healthy ratio. OR low amounts of omgea 3 and 6 like : 200g:25g then youll get big trouble supplementing 1g of fish oil a day.
it may be good advice to lower the amount of omega 6 fatty acids, and we do infact need omega3, but i have doubts that there is any real need for omega 3 from fish oil as there is omega 3 polyunsaturated fat in plant food. These facts do not mean that we need a fish oil supplement. oatmeal, avocados and olives and even peanuts have polyunsaturated fat, but not in preformed epa or dha, the preformed epa and dha is where they claim the so called benefits lie in fish oil, but if you look at all the studies that have been done, there arent just all benefits, there are some benefits, which arent really miraculous, but the negatives are much worse then any of the benefits. So the whole thing i believe, is a misinterpretation of the scientific literature, and coming to absolute conclusions a little too soon. For example, there are some benefits from taking fish oil! therefore, fish oil ONLY has good benefits!! you see thats not very responsible.
Sure eating some cooked fish once and a while isnt going to kill you in any significantly obvious length of time, go ahead and eat fish once in a while, but even just eating fish has been corrrelated to increaed risk of cancer, as polyunsaturated fats go rancid very fast and can be a source of dietary oxidants.
To supplement with fish oil, ranges anywhere from unnecessary to probably detrimental.
Interesting research that may have already been mentioned here: http://www.psycheducation.org/depression/meds/Omega-3.htm
Purely anecdotal evidence: when I give my cats one capsule of Omega 3 fish oil weekly in their weekly fish treat, their skin and coat improve. The one cat who is prone to feline acne doesn't get it anymore. They also got changed to a higher quality diet and ceramic, not plastic, bowls. When I gave them the same fishy food without the omega 3 and even after changing to a higher quality diet and changing their bowls, I did not notice as significant an improvement until I added in the Omega 3.
just another reason why you should NOT take fish oil.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/...90225172639.htm
Im sorry but its just not possible that fish oil itself causes cancer.
How about the inuits that are still around, they eat ALOT of oily fish and are the healthiest people on the planet.
People these days have much worse things to worry about, such as high fructose corn syrup, processed sugars and processed trans fats. Then we have all the anti-biotics, injections full of mercury, and tablets such as accutane which completely mess up our systems, how about adding aspartame to that list as well?
When you think about it, I would think its much more important to look at the whole picture, plenty of studies conflict with each other because they look at one variable, not the whole picture.