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I have been on fish oil for about 3 months taking 2 grams total a day. One in the morning and one at night. What i have noticed is that my face has become more even, less blotchy, more smooth, better skin texture and i think it has a major role in clearing my scalp acne. In terms of reducing facial oil, i think it has helped a little bit. But the most noticeable effect that i had from taking fish oil is that before i started taking it, i was about 175 lbs now i am about 155 lbs, i lost 20 pounds. I haven't been at this weight for almost 14 years so i think fish oil has a major role in me losing weight because i haven't changed how much i eat. I did a little research a while ago and it says omega 3 has a role in weight loss. I am planning to see a doctor anyway just to see if i'm ok.
I have been on fish oil for about 3 months taking 2 grams total a day. One in the morning and one at night. What i have noticed is that my face has become more even, less blotchy, more smooth, better skin texture and i think it has a major role in clearing my scalp acne. In terms of reducing facial oil, i think it has helped a little bit. But the most noticeable effect that i had from taking fish oil is that before i started taking it, i was about 175 lbs now i am about 155 lbs, i lost 20 pounds. I haven't been at this weight for almost 14 years so i think fish oil has a major role in me losing weight because i haven't changed how much i eat. I did a little research a while ago and it says omega 3 has a role in weight loss. I am planning to see a doctor anyway just to see if i'm ok.
Go to a doctor. 2 grams of fish oil a day shouldn't make you disappear =|
I have been on fish oil for about 3 months taking 2 grams total a day. One in the morning and one at night. What i have noticed is that my face has become more even, less blotchy, more smooth, better skin texture and i think it has a major role in clearing my scalp acne. In terms of reducing facial oil, i think it has helped a little bit. But the most noticeable effect that i had from taking fish oil is that before i started taking it, i was about 175 lbs now i am about 155 lbs, i lost 20 pounds. I haven't been at this weight for almost 14 years so i think fish oil has a major role in me losing weight because i haven't changed how much i eat. I did a little research a while ago and it says omega 3 has a role in weight loss. I am planning to see a doctor anyway just to see if i'm ok.
two grams as in two pills a day? or two grams as in two grams of epa and dha?
Hancho - I'd say thats a pretty drastic change in weight for such a little amount of fish oil - you may want to consider going to get checked out because my friend had this happen to him and they found he had a tape worm 
I keep hearing about fish oil and weightloss being linked. Very interesting - esp because I noticed yesterday that I felt smaller, just in mass alone...as weird as that prob sounds. I am usually bloated this time of the month but I'm not at all AND I noticed that all the little stupid ass tiny acne I'd get around my head (very random spots and sporadically) have disappeared completely. Weird.
i've had an earache started a day or two ago, left ear..i had a tonsil infection in the past which screwed with my ear very little, but i never get earaches.. aches kinda and i get that plugged up feeling on and off when i talk. any chance it could be connected to the fish oil? that's the only thing different i've been doing. or coincidence?
Most likely a coincidence. Infections are caused by bacteria, you might want to see a doctor who can prescribe antibiotics.
Hancho - I'd say thats a pretty drastic change in weight for such a little amount of fish oil - you may want to consider going to get checked out because my friend had this happen to him and they found he had a tape worm :sick:
Yes it could be tape worms so that's why i'm worried. But weird thing is, i started to lose weight fast right after i started taking this. I didn't plan on losing weight by adding this supplement, my main goal was to control my facial oil. How is your friend now?
Analyze your complete daily consumption at nutritiondata.com w/ a registered account!
Hey, for everyone who's been using the nutritiondata.com site to count their omega-3's and 6's, I've just discovered that if you register at the site (free and pretty simple), you can then save foods to your "pantry" and then add different amounts of foods to a "recipe" and then analyze the totals of all foods combined. I just did this and treated my "recipe" more as a running total for total consumption of the day. You can save it and then go back and return. If you try this I do recommend going to the pantry help page, as its a little bit clunky/counter-intuitive as to how to actually save at first: http://www.nutritiondata.com/help/pantry-help .
I think this is great, because once you have the foods you commonly consume, you can do this pretty much everyday easily and not only look at omega totals but all other totals for calories, proteins, EPA, DHA etc. Of course if you supplement w/ omega-3 pills you will have to add to the total yourself, but I think this is much more efficient that copying pasting into a spreadsheet. Good luck!
Analyze your complete daily consumption at nutritiondata.com w/ a registered account!Hey, for everyone who's been using the nutritiondata.com site to count their omega-3's and 6's, I've just discovered that if you register at the site (free and pretty simple), you can then save foods to your "pantry" and then add different amounts of foods to a "recipe" and then analyze the totals of all foods combined. I just did this and treated my "recipe" more as a running total for total consumption of the day. You can save it and then go back and return. If you try this I do recommend going to the pantry help page, as its a little bit clunky/counter-intuitive as to how to actually save at first: http://www.nutritiondata.com/help/pantry-help .
I think this is great, because once you have the foods you commonly consume, you can do this pretty much everyday easily and not only look at omega totals but all other totals for calories, proteins, EPA, DHA etc. Of course if you supplement w/ omega-3 pills you will have to add to the total yourself, but I think this is much more efficient that copying pasting into a spreadsheet. Good luck!
Amazing! Thanks for that! I edited the first page and added that in! With your name in there, check it out
Analyze your complete daily consumption at nutritiondata.com w/ a registered account!Hey, for everyone who's been using the nutritiondata.com site to count their omega-3's and 6's, I've just discovered that if you register at the site (free and pretty simple), you can then save foods to your "pantry" and then add different amounts of foods to a "recipe" and then analyze the totals of all foods combined. I just did this and treated my "recipe" more as a running total for total consumption of the day. You can save it and then go back and return. If you try this I do recommend going to the pantry help page, as its a little bit clunky/counter-intuitive as to how to actually save at first: http://www.nutritiondata.com/help/pantry-help .
I think this is great, because once you have the foods you commonly consume, you can do this pretty much everyday easily and not only look at omega totals but all other totals for calories, proteins, EPA, DHA etc. Of course if you supplement w/ omega-3 pills you will have to add to the total yourself, but I think this is much more efficient that copying pasting into a spreadsheet. Good luck!
Amazing! Thanks for that! I edited the first page and added that in! With your name in there, check it out
Don't worry, I could really care less if I'm referenced or not, just trying to spread the info. The best part about this is if I track my diet for a few weeks, I can then combine all the days into one recipe and then make it as say 20 servings corresponding to 20 days and get a much more accurate long-term assesment of my average diet and nutrients.
I mentioned this in another thread but I started Monday and ive noticed that ive had a couple small breakouts of a pimple, but they are WAY less inflamed and painful etc. than usual and they go away way faster. I have this one that I noticed when I came home where theres a bit of redness, but its like not sensitive at all...
So what im thinking, based on what xxndnromeoxx was saying among other things, is that its thinned the sebum and changed the viscocity, but its still at the point where its getting through and irratating the skin. So I guess that means I need to up my dosage a little to finish it off. Not sure exactly what ill do, today I changed it from 3 a day to 2 in the morning, 1 at midday, one at night...so i need to up it one or two, though im not sure where ill add em in. Id rather not take 2,2,2 but maybe I have to.
Analyze your complete daily consumption at nutritiondata.com w/ a registered account!Hey, for everyone who's been using the nutritiondata.com site to count their omega-3's and 6's, I've just discovered that if you register at the site (free and pretty simple), you can then save foods to your "pantry" and then add different amounts of foods to a "recipe" and then analyze the totals of all foods combined. I just did this and treated my "recipe" more as a running total for total consumption of the day. You can save it and then go back and return. If you try this I do recommend going to the pantry help page, as its a little bit clunky/counter-intuitive as to how to actually save at first: http://www.nutritiondata.com/help/pantry-help .
I think this is great, because once you have the foods you commonly consume, you can do this pretty much everyday easily and not only look at omega totals but all other totals for calories, proteins, EPA, DHA etc. Of course if you supplement w/ omega-3 pills you will have to add to the total yourself, but I think this is much more efficient that copying pasting into a spreadsheet. Good luck!
Amazing! Thanks for that! I edited the first page and added that in! With your name in there, check it out
Don't worry, I could really care less if I'm referenced or not, just trying to spread the info. The best part about this is if I track my diet for a few weeks, I can then combine all the days into one recipe and then make it as say 20 servings corresponding to 20 days and get a much more accurate long-term assesment of my average diet and nutrients.
Very true! Long term assessment is a better overall view of how affective it truly is. And also depicts the ratio better.
I hope it works for you, tell me some differences you feel right now, even though we may not physically see them yet
I mentioned this in another thread but I started Monday and ive noticed that ive had a couple small breakouts of a pimple, but they are WAY less inflamed and painful etc. than usual and they go away way faster. I have this one that I noticed when I came home where theres a bit of redness, but its like not sensitive at all...So what im thinking, based on what xxndnromeoxx was saying among other things, is that its thinned the sebum and changed the viscocity, but its still at the point where its getting through and irratating the skin. So I guess that means I need to up my dosage a little to finish it off. Not sure exactly what ill do, today I changed it from 3 a day to 2 in the morning, 1 at midday, one at night...so i need to up it one or two, though im not sure where ill add em in. Id rather not take 2,2,2 but maybe I have to.
Right now I'm taking 2,2,2 but I think if you take 3 a day, as you are now, the effects will keep increasing because your body will take a month to get used to it. So you'll see the full potential of those three pills in one month, slowly increasing daily, much like everything else we do. Kinda see what I mean? So that's why I am hopeful.
I think what happens is it's our sebum is getting thinner, and any new outbreaks, will be smaller, and smaller, and very light where it's not huge acne. So our sebum is really thin and just becomes cloged pores instead of full blown white heads now :).
That's better than nothing that's for sure! I can't wait for 2 months in. Omg, I'm excited
I am getting a blood test done in a month or so Just in case too.
Anyone know any store in the US that sells Carlson's Fish Oil?I found it at Wild Oats but the best price I've seen so far is online at www.thevitaminshoppe.com
Yeah, the online price is pretty good.
I wanted Carlson's and it's 20something on the site,
but when I went to the store today, it was $36.99.
I bought it anyway. Bleh.
Day 11:
It seems that any "acne" I get is getting smaller in terms of size. My scalp is not getting any acne it seems. Before I used to get bumps that hurt but never formed white heads, now I get no bumps at all, that has never happened. I am happy for that!
Splashing face with just water (tepid water) and drying it caused my pores to get blocked and I will never do that again, ever. I either wash right, or don't wash at all.
I had midterms this week, so stress was at a high, therfore creating more sebum for me. Next week should go down more since I increased to 6 pills this week (just started 3 days ago). Before I was on 3 a day.
The texture of my skin is different. I can no longer just use the baby brush to exfoliate, it seems thicker and doesn't get all the gunk off. As they said, the texture of your skin will also change... it feels like normal skin. It's hard to explain. A bit fuller, less sensitive.
Obviously also, sebum has become less heavy, less viscous (less thick), which is awesome! No wonder my scalp doesn't plug.
I also stopped using aloe vera + tea tree oil. Instead, it's back to aloe vera + cetaphil, since I actually had dry skin by the time I came home! That was too soon, since I exfoliated with the baby brush in the morning, it never happens. I tried it again, the brush didn't get rid of it. It used to, all the time, not anymore. I'm going to have to use something a bit more abbrasive to get it off, but since my skin feels thicker, it should be equally soft to my skin. I need dead skin cells off, and to prevent dead skin from forming more frequently by moisturizing, otherwise i'll get plugged
Now on to the weekend.
I mentioned this in another thread but I started Monday and ive noticed that ive had a couple small breakouts of a pimple, but they are WAY less inflamed and painful etc. than usual and they go away way faster. I have this one that I noticed when I came home where theres a bit of redness, but its like not sensitive at all...So what im thinking, based on what xxndnromeoxx was saying among other things, is that its thinned the sebum and changed the viscocity, but its still at the point where its getting through and irratating the skin. So I guess that means I need to up my dosage a little to finish it off. Not sure exactly what ill do, today I changed it from 3 a day to 2 in the morning, 1 at midday, one at night...so i need to up it one or two, though im not sure where ill add em in. Id rather not take 2,2,2 but maybe I have to.
Right now I'm taking 2,2,2 but I think if you take 3 a day, as you are now, the effects will keep increasing because your body will take a month to get used to it. So you'll see the full potential of those three pills in one month, slowly increasing daily, much like everything else we do. Kinda see what I mean? So that's why I am hopeful.
I think what happens is it's our sebum is getting thinner, and any new outbreaks, will be smaller, and smaller, and very light where it's not huge acne. So our sebum is really thin and just becomes cloged pores instead of full blown white heads now :).
That's better than nothing that's for sure! I can't wait for 2 months in. Omg, I'm excited
I am getting a blood test done in a month or so Just in case too.
I don't think this is accurate. This isn't accutane, its not something that will accumulate on your system and will get better overtime. Its an all or nothing situation. Sure, over time you'll get better because your daily dosage will help keep your oil down which in turn helps keep breakouts at bay and your current lesions will heal. That said, this is a daily thing, if its not doing anything today and tomorrow and for the next 7 days its not gonna do anything different in 2 months. Up the dosage. Don't be scared of the oil just because it comes in a pill. If you ate a decently sized portion of salmon you'd be intaking like 15 pills in one sitting, does that scare you?
I mentioned this in another thread but I started Monday and ive noticed that ive had a couple small breakouts of a pimple, but they are WAY less inflamed and painful etc. than usual and they go away way faster. I have this one that I noticed when I came home where theres a bit of redness, but its like not sensitive at all...So what im thinking, based on what xxndnromeoxx was saying among other things, is that its thinned the sebum and changed the viscocity, but its still at the point where its getting through and irratating the skin. So I guess that means I need to up my dosage a little to finish it off. Not sure exactly what ill do, today I changed it from 3 a day to 2 in the morning, 1 at midday, one at night...so i need to up it one or two, though im not sure where ill add em in. Id rather not take 2,2,2 but maybe I have to.
Right now I'm taking 2,2,2 but I think if you take 3 a day, as you are now, the effects will keep increasing because your body will take a month to get used to it. So you'll see the full potential of those three pills in one month, slowly increasing daily, much like everything else we do. Kinda see what I mean? So that's why I am hopeful.
I think what happens is it's our sebum is getting thinner, and any new outbreaks, will be smaller, and smaller, and very light where it's not huge acne. So our sebum is really thin and just becomes cloged pores instead of full blown white heads now :).
That's better than nothing that's for sure! I can't wait for 2 months in. Omg, I'm excited
I am getting a blood test done in a month or so Just in case too.
I don't think this is accurate. This isn't accutane, its not something that will accumulate on your system and will get better overtime. Its an all or nothing situation. Sure, over time you'll get better because your daily dosage will help keep your oil down which in turn helps keep breakouts at bay and your current lesions will heal. That said, this is a daily thing, if its not doing anything today and tomorrow and for the next 7 days its not gonna do anything different in 2 months. Up the dosage. Don't be scared of the oil just because it comes in a pill. If you ate a decently sized portion of salmon you'd be intaking like 15 pills in one sitting, does that scare you?
hmmm...alright....nah, it doesn't scare me, im just still trying to figure it out...if its true that a good fish serving would be like 15, thats a little more reassuring though...I still couldn' afford to be taking a ton everday even if I wanted to, but im gonna up the dosage to 6 and see if that does the trick. I'd rather slowly increase it and have that work than use like 15 + a day
I mentioned this in another thread but I started Monday and ive noticed that ive had a couple small breakouts of a pimple, but they are WAY less inflamed and painful etc. than usual and they go away way faster. I have this one that I noticed when I came home where theres a bit of redness, but its like not sensitive at all...So what im thinking, based on what xxndnromeoxx was saying among other things, is that its thinned the sebum and changed the viscocity, but its still at the point where its getting through and irratating the skin. So I guess that means I need to up my dosage a little to finish it off. Not sure exactly what ill do, today I changed it from 3 a day to 2 in the morning, 1 at midday, one at night...so i need to up it one or two, though im not sure where ill add em in. Id rather not take 2,2,2 but maybe I have to.
Right now I'm taking 2,2,2 but I think if you take 3 a day, as you are now, the effects will keep increasing because your body will take a month to get used to it. So you'll see the full potential of those three pills in one month, slowly increasing daily, much like everything else we do. Kinda see what I mean? So that's why I am hopeful.
I think what happens is it's our sebum is getting thinner, and any new outbreaks, will be smaller, and smaller, and very light where it's not huge acne. So our sebum is really thin and just becomes cloged pores instead of full blown white heads now :).
That's better than nothing that's for sure! I can't wait for 2 months in. Omg, I'm excited
I am getting a blood test done in a month or so Just in case too.
I don't think this is accurate. This isn't accutane, its not something that will accumulate on your system and will get better overtime. Its an all or nothing situation. Sure, over time you'll get better because your daily dosage will help keep your oil down which in turn helps keep breakouts at bay and your current lesions will heal. That said, this is a daily thing, if its not doing anything today and tomorrow and for the next 7 days its not gonna do anything different in 2 months. Up the dosage. Don't be scared of the oil just because it comes in a pill. If you ate a decently sized portion of salmon you'd be intaking like 15 pills in one sitting, does that scare you?
It would be innapropriate to compare the 03's in salmon to a pill. Otherwise it would be considered safe to take 15 pills of fish oil daily, just as safe as it would be to eat a decent portion of salmon. But frankly, studies show it's not advisable or comparable.
Unbiasely, The case is that most people and websites do not recommend taking that much in pill form because it does have side effects, which increase to dangerous levels if taken in mega doses.
Also note when you say this, be sure to tell people you're a bodybuilder and eat more than likely three times the amount we do, including much more meat and other caloric dense foods that could easily mean you need more omega 3 to balance your omega 6 heavy diet.
I just personally do not want to tell people to take more than what is advisable since they are not my responsibility. I'm just going to lay out what I've found, and that is it's not advisable to take more than 1.8 to 3 grams of epa and dha without taking serious concern.
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/omega3.shtmlTry to include at least 0.5-1.8 grams of EPA + DHA per day in your diet, either by eating fish or fish oil supplements. If you have documented coronary heart disease, you should include at least 1.0 grams of EPA + DHA in your diet. Patients with hypertriglyceridemia (elevated or high blood triglycerides) can lower their values by as much as 40 percent by taking 2-4 grams of EPA + DHA per day. If you are taking more than 3 grams of EPA + DHA per day, consult with your physician because high intakes tend to prevent blood from clotting and may cause excessive nose bleeds
It also increases LDL, which it had in a blood test in many members of my family, after dropping it, it went back to normal.
Some studies have shown that fish oil supplementation may increase the level of LDL-cholesterol (the "bad" kind)
http://www.oilofpisces.com/cholesterol.html
If it doesn't for the person, that's great, definitely go nuts, but just be sure to take a normal amount for a while, then get a blood test and do it safely. To jump in and take an overload would be foolish. Our bodies are definitely more important.
After that, they may do as they please. I would rather insist them to lower there omega 6 heavy foods, than to increase fish oil pills to mega dosing levels. And to get a blood test and then be sure if it's safe for them, then go higher. Without a blood test, it's just not safe in my opinion.
But to each their own
I mentioned this in another thread but I started Monday and ive noticed that ive had a couple small breakouts of a pimple, but they are WAY less inflamed and painful etc. than usual and they go away way faster. I have this one that I noticed when I came home where theres a bit of redness, but its like not sensitive at all...So what im thinking, based on what xxndnromeoxx was saying among other things, is that its thinned the sebum and changed the viscocity, but its still at the point where its getting through and irratating the skin. So I guess that means I need to up my dosage a little to finish it off. Not sure exactly what ill do, today I changed it from 3 a day to 2 in the morning, 1 at midday, one at night...so i need to up it one or two, though im not sure where ill add em in. Id rather not take 2,2,2 but maybe I have to.
Right now I'm taking 2,2,2 but I think if you take 3 a day, as you are now, the effects will keep increasing because your body will take a month to get used to it. So you'll see the full potential of those three pills in one month, slowly increasing daily, much like everything else we do. Kinda see what I mean? So that's why I am hopeful.
I think what happens is it's our sebum is getting thinner, and any new outbreaks, will be smaller, and smaller, and very light where it's not huge acne. So our sebum is really thin and just becomes cloged pores instead of full blown white heads now :).
That's better than nothing that's for sure! I can't wait for 2 months in. Omg, I'm excited
I am getting a blood test done in a month or so Just in case too.
I don't think this is accurate. This isn't accutane, its not something that will accumulate on your system and will get better overtime. Its an all or nothing situation. Sure, over time you'll get better because your daily dosage will help keep your oil down which in turn helps keep breakouts at bay and your current lesions will heal. That said, this is a daily thing, if its not doing anything today and tomorrow and for the next 7 days its not gonna do anything different in 2 months. Up the dosage. Don't be scared of the oil just because it comes in a pill. If you ate a decently sized portion of salmon you'd be intaking like 15 pills in one sitting, does that scare you?
It would be innapropriate to compare the 03's in salmon to a pill. Otherwise it would be considered safe to take 15 pills of fish oil daily, just as safe as it would be to eat a decent portion of salmon. But frankly, studies show it's not advisable or comparable.
Unbiasely, The case is that most people and websites do not recommend taking that much in pill form because it does have side effects, which increase to dangerous levels if taken in mega doses.
Also note when you say this, be sure to tell people you're a bodybuilder and eat more than likely three times the amount we do, including much more meat and other caloric dense foods that could easily mean you need more omega 3 to balance your omega 6 heavy diet.
I just personally do not want to tell people to take more than what is advisable since they are not my responsibility. I'm just going to lay out what I've found, and that is it's not advisable to take more than 1.8 to 3 grams of epa and dha without taking serious concern.
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/omega3.shtmlTry to include at least 0.5-1.8 grams of EPA + DHA per day in your diet, either by eating fish or fish oil supplements. If you have documented coronary heart disease, you should include at least 1.0 grams of EPA + DHA in your diet. Patients with hypertriglyceridemia (elevated or high blood triglycerides) can lower their values by as much as 40 percent by taking 2-4 grams of EPA + DHA per day. If you are taking more than 3 grams of EPA + DHA per day, consult with your physician because high intakes tend to prevent blood from clotting and may cause excessive nose bleeds
It also increases LDL, which it had in a blood test in many members of my family, after dropping it, it went back to normal.
Some studies have shown that fish oil supplementation may increase the level of LDL-cholesterol (the "bad" kind)http://www.oilofpisces.com/cholesterol.html
If it doesn't for the person, that's great, definitely go nuts, but just be sure to take a normal amount for a while, then get a blood test and do it safely. To jump in and take an overload would be foolish. Our bodies are definitely more important.
After that, they may do as they please. I would rather insist them to lower there omega 6 heavy foods, than to increase fish oil pills to mega dosing levels. And to get a blood test and then be sure if it's safe for them, then go higher. Without a blood test, it's just not safe in my opinion.
But to each their own
I understand what you're saying but I don't understand how you make the connection that the oil found in a pill is more dangerous than that found in fish. Especially since its the same oil. I also found it strange(this one is not directed at you, but more as in a general observation) that people would be so afraid of o3 when they are taking a great amount of o6 every day, broken down in 1g pills a lot of people would be taking down over 20+ pills of omega 6. I have seen you quote that one line about more than 3 grams being dangerous from some website a lot, is there a scientific study backing that up that we can see? I don't think there is any, if you look at it logically, what that is saying is that a 50 pound 10 year old girl needs the same amount of fish oil as a 230 pound 20 year old male. Does that make sense to you?
There was a link to a study earlier about something along 60 grams of o3 being given to patients with either leukemia or bipolar disorder(i can't remember which) without any serious side effects. Fish oil isn't some chemical that some guys made in a lab, its an essential fat, that many animals, including humans, have consumed in great quantities over a great amount of time without problems.
I don't mean to come out strong in this post, I just don't agree with things being repeated without reason. Thats how unfounded ideas become dogma. Its definitely not a good thing.
I mentioned this in another thread but I started Monday and ive noticed that ive had a couple small breakouts of a pimple, but they are WAY less inflamed and painful etc. than usual and they go away way faster. I have this one that I noticed when I came home where theres a bit of redness, but its like not sensitive at all...So what im thinking, based on what xxndnromeoxx was saying among other things, is that its thinned the sebum and changed the viscocity, but its still at the point where its getting through and irratating the skin. So I guess that means I need to up my dosage a little to finish it off. Not sure exactly what ill do, today I changed it from 3 a day to 2 in the morning, 1 at midday, one at night...so i need to up it one or two, though im not sure where ill add em in. Id rather not take 2,2,2 but maybe I have to.
Right now I'm taking 2,2,2 but I think if you take 3 a day, as you are now, the effects will keep increasing because your body will take a month to get used to it. So you'll see the full potential of those three pills in one month, slowly increasing daily, much like everything else we do. Kinda see what I mean? So that's why I am hopeful.
I think what happens is it's our sebum is getting thinner, and any new outbreaks, will be smaller, and smaller, and very light where it's not huge acne. So our sebum is really thin and just becomes cloged pores instead of full blown white heads now :).
That's better than nothing that's for sure! I can't wait for 2 months in. Omg, I'm excited
I am getting a blood test done in a month or so Just in case too.
I don't think this is accurate. This isn't accutane, its not something that will accumulate on your system and will get better overtime. Its an all or nothing situation. Sure, over time you'll get better because your daily dosage will help keep your oil down which in turn helps keep breakouts at bay and your current lesions will heal. That said, this is a daily thing, if its not doing anything today and tomorrow and for the next 7 days its not gonna do anything different in 2 months. Up the dosage. Don't be scared of the oil just because it comes in a pill. If you ate a decently sized portion of salmon you'd be intaking like 15 pills in one sitting, does that scare you?
It would be innapropriate to compare the 03's in salmon to a pill. Otherwise it would be considered safe to take 15 pills of fish oil daily, just as safe as it would be to eat a decent portion of salmon. But frankly, studies show it's not advisable or comparable.
Unbiasely, The case is that most people and websites do not recommend taking that much in pill form because it does have side effects, which increase to dangerous levels if taken in mega doses.
Also note when you say this, be sure to tell people you're a bodybuilder and eat more than likely three times the amount we do, including much more meat and other caloric dense foods that could easily mean you need more omega 3 to balance your omega 6 heavy diet.
I just personally do not want to tell people to take more than what is advisable since they are not my responsibility. I'm just going to lay out what I've found, and that is it's not advisable to take more than 1.8 to 3 grams of epa and dha without taking serious concern.
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/omega3.shtmlTry to include at least 0.5-1.8 grams of EPA + DHA per day in your diet, either by eating fish or fish oil supplements. If you have documented coronary heart disease, you should include at least 1.0 grams of EPA + DHA in your diet. Patients with hypertriglyceridemia (elevated or high blood triglycerides) can lower their values by as much as 40 percent by taking 2-4 grams of EPA + DHA per day. If you are taking more than 3 grams of EPA + DHA per day, consult with your physician because high intakes tend to prevent blood from clotting and may cause excessive nose bleeds
It also increases LDL, which it had in a blood test in many members of my family, after dropping it, it went back to normal.
Some studies have shown that fish oil supplementation may increase the level of LDL-cholesterol (the "bad" kind)http://www.oilofpisces.com/cholesterol.html
If it doesn't for the person, that's great, definitely go nuts, but just be sure to take a normal amount for a while, then get a blood test and do it safely. To jump in and take an overload would be foolish. Our bodies are definitely more important.
After that, they may do as they please. I would rather insist them to lower there omega 6 heavy foods, than to increase fish oil pills to mega dosing levels. And to get a blood test and then be sure if it's safe for them, then go higher. Without a blood test, it's just not safe in my opinion.
But to each their own
I understand what you're saying but I don't understand how you make the connection that the oil found in a pill is more dangerous than that found in fish. Especially since its the same oil. I also found it strange(this one is not directed at you, but more as in a general observation) that people would be so afraid of o3 when they are taking a great amount of o6 every day, broken down in 1g pills a lot of people would be taking down over 20+ pills of omega 6. I have seen you quote that one line about more than 3 grams being dangerous from some website a lot, is there a scientific study backing that up that we can see? I don't think there is any, if you look at it logically, what that is saying is that a 50 pound 10 year old girl needs the same amount of fish oil as a 230 pound 20 year old male. Does that make sense to you?
There was a link to a study earlier about something along 60 grams of o3 being given to patients with either leukemia or bipolar disorder(i can't remember which) without any serious side effects. Fish oil isn't some chemical that some guys made in a lab, its an essential fat, that many animals, including humans, have consumed in great quantities over a great amount of time without problems.
I don't mean to come out strong in this post, I just don't agree with things being repeated without reason. Thats how unfounded ideas become dogma. Its definitely not a good thing.
You're right as well, it's all from what I've read, but then again, the rda doesn't have an upper tolerance level for this, much like they do for most of everything else.
I guess since there's articles saying either this or that, I guess the only thing we can do right now is play it safe by taking a safe amount, get our blood level tested to see if it's okay, then increase it more. Or just simply see how much each person is getting in 6 to 3's and try that out to get a good ratio.
I need to do it for myself too, since my family had their ldl go up past normal after taking fish oil (just 3 pills a day). so they were told to get off of it and get on flax instead. once they did it went back to a safe level. And since we're all made differently, some people won't have that happen.
So no one really knows, and since I don't want to be reliable for anyone, from what I do know and have seen, I'd just say that they need to take the recommended amount for a while, get their blood tested, then if it's normal, then increase it to however they'd like after being sure to how much they'd need to balance their ratio =)
Fair enough, correct?
by the way, have you had your blood test any time recently? I am planning to get one in April, and I'll post my report too
The University of Iowa Cancer Center, Iowa City, 52242, USA. [email protected]
The purpose of this study was to determine the maximum tolerated dose and dose-limiting toxicities of fish oil fatty acid capsules containing omega-3 fatty acid ethyl esters. Twenty-two patients with neoplastic disease not amenable to curative therapy who had lost 2% of body weight over a previous 1 month time period were given an escalating dose of fish oil fatty acids. The maximum tolerated dose was found to be 0.3 g/kg per day of this preparation. This means that a 70-kg patient can generally tolerate up to 21 1-g capsules/day containing 13.1 g of eicosapentaenoic acid + docosahexaenoic acid, the two major omega-3 fatty acids. Dose-limiting toxicity was gastrointestinal, mainly diarrhea, and a poorly described toxicity designated as "unable to tolerate in esophagus or stomach." A patient with chronic lymphocytic leukemia taking the fish oil provided an unusual opportunity to perform a detailed biochemical study of the effect of fish oil capsules on the lipids of malignant cells at several sequential time points in treatment. Studies of the malignant lymphocytes, serum, and whole blood of this one patient revealed an increase in eicosapentaenoic acid, the major component of the fish oil capsules, during fish oil capsule treatment. This study provides a scientific basis for the selection of omega-3 fatty acid doses for future studies in cancer. The maximum tolerated dose found is considerably higher than anticipated from published studies of many human diseases. The observation of a modification of the lipids of leukemic cells, serum, and blood in a patient with chronic leukemia provides a biochemical basis for a possible effect of fish oil supplements on cancer cachexia and tumor growth.
link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...p;dopt=Abstract
Prisco D; Paniccia R; Bandinelli B; Filippini M; Francalanci I; Giusti B; Giurlani L; Gensini GF; Abbate R; Neri Serneri GGInstitute of Clinica Medica Generale e Cardiologia, University of Florence, Italy.
Several studies have shown that n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids (n-3 PUFA) are able to lower blood pressure (BP) in humans, but large doses of fish oils have been often used. Moreover, most of the studies available in the literature were not able to evaluate the specific effects of n-3 PUFA because they employed fish oils which contain, together with n-3 PUFA, many other different components. The aim of this preliminary study was to evaluate if medium-term supplementation with a moderate dose of highly purified eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) ethyl esters is able to reduce BP in mild hypertensive patients. Sixteen mild essential hypertensive (diastolic BP: 95-104 mm Hg), non-diabetic, normolipidemic male outpatients and 16 normotensive male controls were recruited to participate in the study. Both hypertensive and control subjects were randomly assigned to receive either EPA and DHA ethyl esters (2.04 g EPA and 1.4 g DHA) as active treatment or olive oil (4 g/day) as a placebo for a period of 4 months. These subjects were followed up with 24-hour ambulatory BP monitoring and blood chemistry analyses at 2 and 4 months of treatment and 2 months after its discontinuation. The intake of n-3 PUFA was checked by red blood cell (RBC) phosphatidylcholine (PC) fatty acid composition. The effect of n-3 PUFA on BP in the active group was maximum after 2 months. Both systolic (-6 mm Hg, p<0.05) and diastolic (-5 mm Hg, p<0.05) BP significantly decreased during the n-3 PUFA ethyl ester supplementation. No further effect was observed at 4 months with a return to baseline values during the recovery period. These data indicate that 4 g/day of highly purified EPA + DHA ethyl esters are able to favorably affect BP in mild hypertensives.
link: http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/9733153
Young GS; Conquer JA; Thomas RHuman Biology and Nutritional Sciences, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario N1G 5B6, Canada.
Dietary intake of omega-3 fatty acids has been positively correlated with cardiovascular and neuropsychiatric health in several studies. The high seafood intake by the Japanese and Greenland Inuit has resulted in low ratios of the omega-6 fatty acid arachidonic acid (AA, 20:4n-6) to eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA, 20:5n-3), with the Japanese showing AA:EPA ratios of approximately 1.7 and the Greenland Eskimos showing ratios of approximately 0.14. It was the objective of this study to determine the effect of supplementation with high doses (60 g) of flax and fish oils on the blood phospholipid (PL) fatty acid status, and AA/EPA ratio of individuals with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), commonly associated with decreased blood omega-3 fatty acid levels. Thirty adults with ADHD were randomized to 12 weeks of supplementation with olive oil (< 1% omega-3 fatty acids), flax oil (source of alpha-linolenic acid; 18:3n-3; alpha-LNA) or fish oil (source of EPA and docosahexaenoic acid; 22:6n-3; DHA). Serum PL fatty acid levels were determined at baseline and at 12 weeks. Flax oil supplementation resulted in an increase in alpha-LNA and a slight decrease in the ratio of AA/EPA, while fish oil supplementation resulted in increases in EPA, DHA and total omega-3 fatty acids and a decrease in the AA/EPA ratio to values seen in the Japanese population. These data suggest that in order to increase levels of EPA and DHA in adults with ADHD, and decrease the AA/EPA ratio to levels seen in high fish consuming populations, high dose fish oil may be preferable to high dose flax oil. Future study is warranted to determine whether correction of low levels of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids is of therapeutic benefit in this population.
link: http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/16188207
Unfortunately, none these have a thing to do w/acne, but they do show some very high doses being safely taken.
I mentioned this in another thread but I started Monday and ive noticed that ive had a couple small breakouts of a pimple, but they are WAY less inflamed and painful etc. than usual and they go away way faster. I have this one that I noticed when I came home where theres a bit of redness, but its like not sensitive at all...So what im thinking, based on what xxndnromeoxx was saying among other things, is that its thinned the sebum and changed the viscocity, but its still at the point where its getting through and irratating the skin. So I guess that means I need to up my dosage a little to finish it off. Not sure exactly what ill do, today I changed it from 3 a day to 2 in the morning, 1 at midday, one at night...so i need to up it one or two, though im not sure where ill add em in. Id rather not take 2,2,2 but maybe I have to.
Right now I'm taking 2,2,2 but I think if you take 3 a day, as you are now, the effects will keep increasing because your body will take a month to get used to it. So you'll see the full potential of those three pills in one month, slowly increasing daily, much like everything else we do. Kinda see what I mean? So that's why I am hopeful.
I think what happens is it's our sebum is getting thinner, and any new outbreaks, will be smaller, and smaller, and very light where it's not huge acne. So our sebum is really thin and just becomes cloged pores instead of full blown white heads now :).
That's better than nothing that's for sure! I can't wait for 2 months in. Omg, I'm excited
I am getting a blood test done in a month or so Just in case too.
I don't think this is accurate. This isn't accutane, its not something that will accumulate on your system and will get better overtime. Its an all or nothing situation. Sure, over time you'll get better because your daily dosage will help keep your oil down which in turn helps keep breakouts at bay and your current lesions will heal. That said, this is a daily thing, if its not doing anything today and tomorrow and for the next 7 days its not gonna do anything different in 2 months. Up the dosage. Don't be scared of the oil just because it comes in a pill. If you ate a decently sized portion of salmon you'd be intaking like 15 pills in one sitting, does that scare you?
It would be innapropriate to compare the 03's in salmon to a pill. Otherwise it would be considered safe to take 15 pills of fish oil daily, just as safe as it would be to eat a decent portion of salmon. But frankly, studies show it's not advisable or comparable.
Unbiasely, The case is that most people and websites do not recommend taking that much in pill form because it does have side effects, which increase to dangerous levels if taken in mega doses.
Also note when you say this, be sure to tell people you're a bodybuilder and eat more than likely three times the amount we do, including much more meat and other caloric dense foods that could easily mean you need more omega 3 to balance your omega 6 heavy diet.
I just personally do not want to tell people to take more than what is advisable since they are not my responsibility. I'm just going to lay out what I've found, and that is it's not advisable to take more than 1.8 to 3 grams of epa and dha without taking serious concern.
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/omega3.shtmlTry to include at least 0.5-1.8 grams of EPA + DHA per day in your diet, either by eating fish or fish oil supplements. If you have documented coronary heart disease, you should include at least 1.0 grams of EPA + DHA in your diet. Patients with hypertriglyceridemia (elevated or high blood triglycerides) can lower their values by as much as 40 percent by taking 2-4 grams of EPA + DHA per day. If you are taking more than 3 grams of EPA + DHA per day, consult with your physician because high intakes tend to prevent blood from clotting and may cause excessive nose bleeds
It also increases LDL, which it had in a blood test in many members of my family, after dropping it, it went back to normal.
Some studies have shown that fish oil supplementation may increase the level of LDL-cholesterol (the "bad" kind)http://www.oilofpisces.com/cholesterol.html
If it doesn't for the person, that's great, definitely go nuts, but just be sure to take a normal amount for a while, then get a blood test and do it safely. To jump in and take an overload would be foolish. Our bodies are definitely more important.
After that, they may do as they please. I would rather insist them to lower there omega 6 heavy foods, than to increase fish oil pills to mega dosing levels. And to get a blood test and then be sure if it's safe for them, then go higher. Without a blood test, it's just not safe in my opinion.
But to each their own
I understand what you're saying but I don't understand how you make the connection that the oil found in a pill is more dangerous than that found in fish. Especially since its the same oil. I also found it strange(this one is not directed at you, but more as in a general observation) that people would be so afraid of o3 when they are taking a great amount of o6 every day, broken down in 1g pills a lot of people would be taking down over 20+ pills of omega 6. I have seen you quote that one line about more than 3 grams being dangerous from some website a lot, is there a scientific study backing that up that we can see? I don't think there is any, if you look at it logically, what that is saying is that a 50 pound 10 year old girl needs the same amount of fish oil as a 230 pound 20 year old male. Does that make sense to you?
There was a link to a study earlier about something along 60 grams of o3 being given to patients with either leukemia or bipolar disorder(i can't remember which) without any serious side effects. Fish oil isn't some chemical that some guys made in a lab, its an essential fat, that many animals, including humans, have consumed in great quantities over a great amount of time without problems.
I don't mean to come out strong in this post, I just don't agree with things being repeated without reason. Thats how unfounded ideas become dogma. Its definitely not a good thing.
You're right as well, it's all from what I've read, but then again, the rda doesn't have an upper tolerance level for this, much like they do for most of everything else.
I guess since there's articles saying either this or that, I guess the only thing we can do right now is play it safe by taking a safe amount, get our blood level tested to see if it's okay, then increase it more. Or just simply see how much each person is getting in 6 to 3's and try that out to get a good ratio.
I need to do it for myself too, since my family had their ldl go up past normal after taking fish oil (just 3 pills a day). so they were told to get off of it and get on flax instead. once they did it went back to a safe level. And since we're all made differently, some people won't have that happen.
So no one really knows, and since I don't want to be reliable for anyone, from what I do know and have seen, I'd just say that they need to take the recommended amount for a while, get their blood tested, then if it's normal, then increase it to however they'd like after being sure to how much they'd need to balance their ratio =)
Fair enough, correct?
by the way, have you had your blood test any time recently? I am planning to get one in April, and I'll post my report too
Thats very strange, I can't really conceive that 3 grams of any kind of fat would have such an impact on cholesterol. Even taking 3 grams of hydrogenated oils a day probably won't do much harm, if any at all. Im stumped on this. But if you do see it happen again then let us know. I've heard a lot of strange anecdotal information about fish oil, this girl I used to know swore that taking a pill of fish oil a day had made her gain fat. Again, Im not a doctor but that doesn't sound right.
About the blood test, I had blood work done about a month before taking the fish oil. Nothing major to report, the good cholesterol was slightly low, a few points below optimal and my bad cholesterol was slightly high, something like 5 points above optimal. The total cholesterol ratio came out to be within optimal levels, go figure. Which goes to show that dietary factors have a minor role in increasing cholesterol, I eat more meat in a day than most people would have in a week and my cholesterol is 5 points short of optimal(Been eating this way for about 2 years now, absolutely 0 cardio). That said, when I have new blood work done I'll get to see if my cholesterol levels changed at all. I get a feeling if it changes its gonna be for the better and only slightly.
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Thanks for digging that up Ayla, you rock :dance:
Thank you for that ayla 
bber, definitely keep us updated if you get another one done and I will also do the same. I am just so happy this is working now that I know my ratio 
I pray to God it doesn't go anywhere close to the border, or over, (the LDL), but theoretically, even if it's at the border, it's still under the normal level, so i should be okay. My family has a really bad history of heart attacks, diabetes etc. It should be noted, however, the ratio was great (1.61), their hdl stayed the same over the month they were on fish oil, but their LDL (the bad chol) was raised 20 points in a month. So the LDL was their main concern. So for their purposes, they had no purpose for it since they were one of the minorities in people who have their LDL raised, as some sites show a possibility of. Like this one:
Omega-3 fatty acids lower plasma triglyceride levels, particularly in persons with hypertriglyceridemia,14 by inhibiting the synthesis of very-low-density lipoprotein (VLDL) cholesterol and triglycerides in the liver. A review15 of human studies concluded that approximately 4 g per day of omega-3 fatty acids reduced serum triglyceride concentrations by 25 to 30 percent, increased serum low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol levels by 5 to 10 percent, and increased high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol levels by 1 to 3 percent. Total cholesterol was not significantly affected.15
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20040701/133.html
How about your history/genetics? It seems you have great genes, maybe your family too?
I tried bbing once, I failed miserably. lol, I couldn't afford money for all the food I needed.
Are you a mesomorph or an ecto?