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But just remember, the change you do today will show up in a week and a half to 3 weeks, because the skin cycle is about that long when all your skin cells turnover completely.
That's exactly what i realized a while back lol, I decided unless it was going to change something like oil output as opposed to hyper-keratinization then it would take perhaps 28 days to have effect. It kinda explains why some things can take so long to work even though they are fully in your system.
You also wrote 'Lots of water! Your body will call for it. '
Dang, i have been feeling thirsty alot lately.
In my cod liver oil the ratio is increased for omega 3 therefore i am getting 7 grams of omega 3 and just under 20,000IU of vitamin A.
can u start a new thread about the benefits of vitamin A? this is a huge read and to add vitamin A in the mix I think is a bit daunting. Peanut gallery out.
No worries I have it all saved in a big word document. I will make a new thread about this in a week or two or even three once I am completely sure this is what it is and nothing else. For all I know, a week later it could all come crashing down for no reason and at all 🙁 Plus this way some of us can also test out this as well for a week or two before a thread.
But just remember, the change you do today will show up in a week and a half to 3 weeks, because the skin cycle is about that long when all your skin cells turnover completely.That's exactly what i realized a while back lol, I decided unless it was going to change something like oil output as opposed to hyper-keratinization then it would take perhaps 28 days to have effect. It kinda explains why some things can take so long to work even though they are fully in your system.
You also wrote 'Lots of water! Your body will call for it. '
Dang, i have been feeling thirsty alot lately.
In my cod liver oil the ratio is increased for omega 3 therefore i am getting 7 grams of omega 3 and just under 20,000IU of vitamin A.
Dang, that can make you dizzy 🙁 I am pretty sure if you stay at 3 grams and 10,000 IU it is still plenty. Reason being is the retinol content is still way over more than enough 🙂 It will be around 3,000 mcg while the rda is still 900 mg. So stay at half the level you are taking, it will do your equally well 🙂
I think it would be nice to have a post regarding EFAs overall, whether from Fish Oil, CLO, Flax seed, etc. Maybe even throw the synergy vitamins you need to take for balancing, etc (Vitamin A, D, etc).
NdRomeo, in a post earlier this month you cited info on how Lignans could be beneficial, possibliy even more so than Saw Palmetto. I am taking flax seed specifically for the lignans. Since it does look like my actual Omega3 input from flax is only 2-8% (reading above), does this mean I should just buy supplements with Lignans only...such as LinumLife?
I think it would be nice to have a post regarding EFAs overall, whether from Fish Oil, CLO, Flax seed, etc. Maybe even throw the synergy vitamins you need to take for balancing, etc (Vitamin A, D, etc).NdRomeo, in a post earlier this month you cited info on how Lignans could be beneficial, possibliy even more so than Saw Palmetto. I am taking flax seed specifically for the lignans. Since it does look like my actual Omega3 input from flax is only 2-8% (reading above), does this mean I should just buy supplements with Lignans only...such as LinumLife?
I found that lignans are a double edged sword. I only realized this when my acne slowly but progressively began to get worse, and worse. Then it got moderate out of no where, and that is what I had changed. Reason being is flax is excessively high in phytoestrogen which can cause acne directly. Reason being is estrogen causes a DHT dominance which is terrible for acne.
If your acne has gotten worse or has not changed by now do not worry about it, don't change it.
You are correct, it's generally closer to 8%, so I generally round to 10%. You can get about 2 grams of converted omega 3 in half a a cup, but since it has a bad estrogen content, it could potentially make acne worse for you. If you switch to cod you can get more than enough omega 3. Instead, I just take saw palmetto now instead. If dht is a huge factor, then I know the omega 3 will regular my hormone levels. Zinc helps blocks excess estrogen, and saw will block any excess dht 🙂 Hence why I also take zinc, saw palmetto, and omega 3.
Check this out:
Synergists: Saw palmetto works synergistically with zinc and essential fatty acids.
So if you can get your hands on zinc, saw palmetto, and cod liver oil, you will be really good.
Cod liver oil costs me 8.99 for 72 servings (cheapest source ever) from twin labs at whole foods.
Saw palmetto cost me about 6.99 at walmart (160 mg extracst) for 100 count.
Zinc is cheap
Calcium is needed for me since I do not take dairy (it's a direct source of DHT and other precursor hormones from a preggy cow).
Vitamin E I take as well
Vitamin E regulates the retinol level in humans. retinol, or commonly known as vitamin A, is essential for healthy skin, mucous membranes and proper vision. Decreases in retinol levels cause the oxidation of unsaturated fatty acids in the cell, which causes toxic effects in the cell. Vitamin E curbs this oxidation process and restores normal levels of retinal. The acne in both men and women improve with vitamin E treatment.http://www.acne-resource.org/acne-skin-care/vitamin-e.html
Findings suggest that an inadequate intake of vitamin E results in a decreased absorption of omega-3.
http://www.stanford.edu/group/hopes/treatm...ntinflm/i5.html
Vitamin E deficiency relating to Zinc deficiency.
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Blood levels of vitamin E may also be decreased with zinc deficiency [11]
So you can see how vitamin A, Zinc, and E all relate to each other, Also how zinc, saw, and omega 3 synergetically help each other. here's a good post on it.
Well, I stopped taking fish oil for good. My skin was just getting worse and worse and worse. I don't know if the fish oil was THE cause, but my skin has gotten loads better since i've stopped.I wonder why it reacted in such a way?
How long have you been off of it? And also, it could be that since you are off accutane, it's reverting back to the original skin? So perhaps not relating to fish oil at all? It could also be that the capsules contain soy as fillers and from the article I read recently, that is the main reason why I switched to liquid as well
Well, I stopped taking fish oil for good. My skin was just getting worse and worse and worse. I don't know if the fish oil was THE cause, but my skin has gotten loads better since i've stopped.I wonder why it reacted in such a way?
How long have you been off of it? And also, it could be that since you are off accutane, it's reverting back to the original skin? So perhaps not relating to fish oil at all? It could also be that the capsules contain soy as fillers and from the article I read recently, that is the main reason why I switched to liquid as well
http://www.newstarget.com/012427.html
Cool, so you finally posted about the soy fillers. I have been so iffy on this part of the fish oil caps as I had to take 6.3g epa/dha to stay "clear." It could be that I had to take more fish oil to regulate the soy filler. But I could be wrong. I do know, that I am just trying out pantethine with this as well, and all pantethine supplements contain Soy Lecithin, but I could be less worried with the Lecithin because of the small amount I take with the pantethine. But the soy fillers with the fish oil up that soy intake sevenfold. So, in theory I think this would be perfect, inspired by your suggestions:
Switch to Cod Liver Oil
2.7g(Twin Labs)
Switch to Liquid Fish Oil (Carlson?),
3.6g (This is for me personally, as this has worked for me before)
1.5g Pantethine
If this switch gets me clear"er" It would be confusing if the switch of fish oil intake did the trick, or if the pantethine finally starts to make its approach for me. So, I'm just saying this is what I'm gonna do. If this works, I'll report back if I could lower the epa/dha level back to 4g successfully or come off the pantethine and this works too.
Well, I stopped taking fish oil for good. My skin was just getting worse and worse and worse. I don't know if the fish oil was THE cause, but my skin has gotten loads better since i've stopped.I wonder why it reacted in such a way?
How long have you been off of it? And also, it could be that since you are off accutane, it's reverting back to the original skin? So perhaps not relating to fish oil at all? It could also be that the capsules contain soy as fillers and from the article I read recently, that is the main reason why I switched to liquid as well
http://www.newstarget.com/012427.html
Cool, so you finally posted about the soy fillers. I have been so iffy on this part of the fish oil caps as I had to take 6.3g epa/dha to stay "clear." It could be that I had to take more fish oil to regulate the soy filler. But I could be wrong. I do know, that I am just trying out pantethine with this as well, and all pantethine supplements contain Soy Lecithin, but I could be less worried with the Lecithin because of the small amount I take with the pantethine. But the soy fillers with the fish oil up that soy intake sevenfold. So, in theory I think this would be perfect, inspired by your suggestions:
Switch to Cod Liver Oil
2.7g(Twin Labs)
Switch to Liquid Fish Oil (Carlson?),
3.6g (This is for me personally, as this has worked for me before)
1.5g Pantethine
If this switch gets me clear"er" It would be confusing if the switch of fish oil intake did the trick, or if the pantethine finally starts to make its approach for me. So, I'm just saying this is what I'm gonna do. If this works, I'll report back if I could lower the epa/dha level back to 4g successfully or come off the pantethine and this works too.
Will you be taking 2.7 grams of cod liver oil with 3.6 grams of fish oil liquid? Or perhaps I am reading that wrong, but I think that is what you meant.
You are right, when we start multiple things at once it's hard to see what works especially when there is a huge achievement. But the good thing is that you can keep doing what you do till you clear or get close to clearing then take out one or the other to see what accounted for what :).
I've also been using the Spring Valley brand at Walmart. When I ramped up to 4.5g last week, I was taking around 15 fish oil pills a day. I also started flax seed and pantethine around the same time I ramped up.
I've noticed my face becoming a little more dry, most likely the pantethine. But, I've noticed some small break-outs in spots too. I didn't really understand why because I have been taking good supplements for 3 weeks, my diet is a lot better, i've been getting more rest, and my stress has gone down. Maybe there is a link to Soy & the phytoestrogens in the flax.
I'll switch to CLO today and if things start getting a lot better over the next couple weeks, i'll post about it.
I've also been using the Spring Valley brand at Walmart. When I ramped up to 4.5g last week, I was taking around 15 fish oil pills a day. I also started flax seed and pantethine around the same time I ramped up.I've noticed my face becoming a little more dry, most likely the pantethine. But, I've noticed some small break-outs in spots too. I didn't really understand why because I have been taking good supplements for 3 weeks, my diet is a lot better, i've been getting more rest, and my stress has gone down. Maybe there is a link to Soy & the phytoestrogens in the flax.
I'll switch to CLO today and if things start getting a lot better over the next couple weeks, i'll post about it.
You are right, after what soy milk and flax seeds did to me, I was completely oblivious to the fact that the filler in fish oil was in fact SOY derivatives. I think it's soy oil, and by taking in quite a bit of pills, that's .5 grams of soy per pill, which is why it's good to change to liquid brands for sure. It's good to get rid of outside hormonal influences and see how they effect u.
Also give CLO a good week before any judgment begins. Noticeable results were during that time frame, but within a few days what I did notice was a minor hydration of my skin, not needing as much moisturizer. My first impression was that I felt maybe because I was producing more oil, but actually it was less oil and more moisture. Pretty funny feeling. Perhaps it was with zinc that made it happen as zinc tends to help retinol greatly. Who knows, but good luck
2nd day of CLO - no change yet of course. Not exactly a taste sensation since they haven't put any flavourings in, but it doesn't taste/smell rancid. It's lots better than popping 8 capsules a day, there no filler and capsule nastiness, i only need to take 2 teaspoons, which is the recommended daily dose, and that delivers 2.8gm omega 3, I can instantly tell if it's rancid and my bottle lasts 30 days for ‚£4.34 15p a day and they sell it in the local supermarket. Only thing i'm not 100% sure of is the contamination level, but i'll try emailing them and ask them for the data on the last batch they tested.
Even if theres no improvement as regards to acne, it's a load better than messing around with a load of overpriced pills - cheers again romeo 
2nd day of CLO - no change yet of course. Not exactly a taste sensation since they haven't put any flavourings in, but it doesn't taste/smell rancid. It's lots better than popping 8 capsules a day, there no filler and capsule nastiness, i only need to take 2 teaspoons, which is the recommended daily dose, and that delivers 2.8gm omega 3, I can instantly tell if it's rancid and my bottle lasts 30 days for 4.34 15p a day and they sell it in the local supermarket. Only thing i'm not 100% sure of is the contamination level, but i'll try emailing them and ask them for the data on the last batch they tested.Even if theres no improvement as regards to acne, it's a load better than messing around with a load of overpriced pills - cheers again romeo 🙂
Hey there, that's good news. Which brand are you using? Also, was it nitrogen flushed/sealed when you bought it (says on the bottle)? Good luck 🙂
Also tell me the amount of vit a per dose.
Yesterday, I went and bought:
http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?produ...rentPage=search
EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid) (omega-3) 460.00 mgDHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid)(omega-3) 377.00 mg
Vitamin A 4600.00 IU 92%
Vitamin D 460.00 IU 115%
Other Ingredients: Vitamin E, Pure Norwegian Cod Liver Oil
No Sugar, No Starch, No Artificial Color, No Artificial Flavors, No Preservatives, Sodium Free, No Corn, No Wheat, No Soy, No Dairy, Yeast Free
By the way, how can you tell if it's rancid? I've never tasted this before, would I know by the taste?
Yesterday, I went and bought:http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?produ...rentPage=search
EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid) (omega-3) 460.00 mgDHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid)(omega-3) 377.00 mg
Vitamin A 4600.00 IU 92%
Vitamin D 460.00 IU 115%
Other Ingredients: Vitamin E, Pure Norwegian Cod Liver Oil
No Sugar, No Starch, No Artificial Color, No Artificial Flavors, No Preservatives, Sodium Free, No Corn, No Wheat, No Soy, No Dairy, Yeast Free
By the way, how can you tell if it's rancid? I've never tasted this before, would I know by the taste?
The nutritional data is almost the same as the twin labs one so that's good. Don't worry, if it's rancid you'll know, but chances are since it's new it won't be. 🙂 GNC is a good brand as well, though sometimes expensive for some items. That price is very reasonable. It's the same price as twin labs one.
Hey there, that's good news. Which brand are you using? Also, was it nitrogen flushed/sealed when you bought it (says on the bottle)? Good luck 🙂Also tell me the amount of vit a per dose.
No nitrogen seal i'm afraid, we don't seem to have too many choices in cod liver oil over here - which seems odd (as far as i can tell, twinlab isn't available overhere). Mine seems to be a mix of omega 3 & cod liver oil. They do a straight cod liver oil, but i figured i'd give this a go and ditch the capsules all together. Seven seas did a recall last year on it's capsule products. Now I'm not sure if thats a good or bad sign, atleast if they found something wrong they did a recall rather than sweeping it under the rug, but they did have high levels of contamination (still within legal limits tho) - atleast they aren't like every other company and claim no contamination - that drives me crazy!!
Seven Seas Extra Strength Cod Liver Oil
Per 10ml serving (5ml 2 times a day)
Seven Seas Triomega
Cod Liver Oil Blend 9.2g *
Providing Omega-3 nutrients 2800mg*
of which EPA & DHA 2300mg *
Vitamin A 800gRE 100
Vitamin D 5g 100
Vitamin E 10mgTE 100
Ingredients: Fish Oil Concentrate (Triomega), Cod Liver Oil, Vitamin E, Vitamin A Prep. (Vitamin A, Sunflower Oil), Vitamin D Prep. (Fractionated Vegetable Oil, Vitamin D)
It doesn't say where the vitamin E comes from & there's sunflower & vegetable oil in there but nothing worse than was in the capsules, and i was taking 8 of those a day - i guess only time will tell!
Hey there, that's good news. Which brand are you using? Also, was it nitrogen flushed/sealed when you bought it (says on the bottle)? Good luck 🙂Also tell me the amount of vit a per dose.
No nitrogen seal i'm afraid, we don't seem to have too many choices in cod liver oil over here - which seems odd (as far as i can tell, twinlab isn't available overhere). Mine seems to be a mix of omega 3 & cod liver oil. They do a straight cod liver oil, but i figured i'd give this a go and ditch the capsules all together. Seven seas did a recall last year on it's capsule products. Now I'm not sure if thats a good or bad sign, atleast if they found something wrong they did a recall rather than sweeping it under the rug, but they did have high levels of contamination (still within legal limits tho) - atleast they aren't like every other company and claim no contamination - that drives me crazy!!
Seven Seas Extra Strength Cod Liver Oil
Per 10ml serving (5ml 2 times a day)
Seven Seas Triomega
Cod Liver Oil Blend 9.2g *
Providing Omega-3 nutrients 2800mg*
of which EPA & DHA 2300mg *
Vitamin A 800gRE 100
Vitamin D 5g 100
Vitamin E 10mgTE 100
Ingredients: Fish Oil Concentrate (Triomega), Cod Liver Oil, Vitamin E, Vitamin A Prep. (Vitamin A, Sunflower Oil), Vitamin D Prep. (Fractionated Vegetable Oil, Vitamin D)
It doesn't say where the vitamin E comes from & there's sunflower & vegetable oil in there but nothing worse than was in the capsules, and i was taking 8 of those a day - i guess only time will tell!
Next to vitamin a where it says '100' is that the daily percentage value? If so then that sounds about right, the ug (micrograms) is a different method of measuring amount. If it's a 100% daily value rating, then it's about the same as mine. Stick with 3 teaspoons a day and you should be golden 🙂 Or two if you wish
Romeo, just one more question, with the twinlab CLO, do you put yours in the fridge? On the bottle it states to keep in a "cool and dry place." It says nothing about putting it in the fridge, does putting it in the fridge make a difference, any idea?
I know that the liquid fish oil I got, not the CLO, says to refridge it after opening, but not the CLO? I'm confused.
Romeo, just one more question, with the twinlab CLO, do you put yours in the fridge? On the bottle it states to keep in a "cool and dry place." It says nothing about putting it in the fridge, does putting it in the fridge make a difference, any idea?I know that the liquid fish oil I got, not the CLO, says to refridge it after opening, but not the CLO? I'm confused.
Yup I keep it in the fridge, it keeps it from going rancid 🙂
Hi there. What supplements should I take for this kind of acne.Very mild acne
Normal skin
On the DKR
1-3 whiteheads max on my forehead
Some tiny red bumps by my nose.
I am taking Fish Oil now, anything else?
Some zinc, and if you want to you can take cod liver oil like the rest of us if you check out the last few pages to see
Yeah they are supposed to be 100% RDA. However, the back of the packet differs from the online details and lists no vitamin A. Which is crazy because pure cod liver oil should have vitamin A in it. It doesn't mention vitamin A at all. I'm think i'm gonna swap to another brand i think, this one
Each 5ml (one teaspoonful) serving contains:
Pure Icelandic Cod Liver Oil of which total omega 3 is 920mg
EPA is 345mg
DHA is 460mg
Vitamin A is 967mcg (120% RDA)
Vitamin D is 10.35mcg (207% RDA)
Natural Source Vitamin E is 5.5mg (55% RDA)
Ingredients:
Pure Icelandic Cod Liver Oil, Natural Source Vitamin E, Cold-pressed Valencia Orange Oil, Natural Lemon Extract.
It's roughly the same price, the only thing that concerns me is the fact it'd have to come by post which means it ain't refrigerated!
I think the brand you have is great, cod liver oil is mainly composed of vit a 🙂 Show me the online link that says no a in it, it's probably a mistake. e-mail the company again to verify as well.
I've emailed them, the online stuff says vitamin A, the bottle and the box say no vitamin A. Surely a mistake - but then it's not like it has 100 ingredients surely someone would have noticed? If they can't list 5 Ingredients on a bottle and box for their top product can i trust them with the really tricky stuff? 😉
I'll stick with it till i get an answer though, it surely must have vitamin A in it - unless they have monkeyed around with it!
I think the brand you have is great, cod liver oil is mainly composed of vit a 🙂 Show me the online link that says no a in it, it's probably a mistake. e-mail the company again to verify as well.I've emailed them, the online stuff says vitamin A, the bottle and the box say no vitamin A. Surely a mistake - but then it's not like it has 100 ingredients surely someone would have noticed? If they can't list 5 Ingredients on a bottle and box for their top product can i trust them with the really tricky stuff? 😉
I'll stick with it till i get an answer though, it surely must have vitamin A in it - unless they have monkeyed around with it!
That is true, how can they be that dumb to not put it on a website, it only has like 5 ingredients lol!
At Seven Seas we aim to continually improve our products to ensure that they meet the needs of our customers and many have expressed the wish to take their daily dose of Cod Liver Oil alongside other vitamin A containing supplements such as a multivitamin. We have consequently taken the decision to reduce the level of vitamin A in this product, which in all other respects will remain the same. To make sure our customers continue to have a choice from Seven Seas our One A Day and Traditional liquids and capsules products will remain in their original form.
So they have removed it because people are too stupid to notice how much vitamin A they are taking (i'm taking a multi vit too, but i was going to cycle it ever other day). So they've removed the nice natural source of Vitamin A for me, and they have played around with it :/. Quit meddling with my food and supplement sources!
At Seven Seas we aim to continually improve our products to ensure that they meet the needs of our customers and many have expressed the wish to take their daily dose of Cod Liver Oil alongside other vitamin A containing supplements such as a multivitamin. We have consequently taken the decision to reduce the level of vitamin A in this product, which in all other respects will remain the same. To make sure our customers continue to have a choice from Seven Seas our One A Day and Traditional liquids and capsules products will remain in their original form.So they have removed it because people are too stupid to notice how much vitamin A they are taking (i'm taking a multi vit too, but i was going to cycle it ever other day). So they've removed the nice natural source of Vitamin A for me, and they have played around with it :/. Quit meddling with my food and supplement sources!
What the hell, that's so messed up. One factor now you must wonder about is, check the new bottles at the stores, if they do not have any listed on them, that means your bottle still DOES have some in it because it's listed on yours and not the new ones. Know what I mean. So I am assuming it was fairly recent that they took it off. Either way now you know that you have to change brands and what not =(
And yeah, if you are getting CLO then the multi probably is too much since it's a synthetic form and any more vitamin A is not worthwhile and perhaps a bit dangerous. I stopped taking my multi and take only the things I need, that way I can be sure I don't get unwated items. Especially cause they may be soy derivatives.