There's nothing wrong with Now brand Borage oil..I have asked like many people. And they say its great for you, and there's NO side effects. Don't always believe things on the internet..Scientests say that Vitamin E is bad for you. Its clearly not!..Some things aren't always true that you read. Borage oil has been my life saver not only for my skin, but for my stubborn-period problem. Accutane is bad for you, everywhere says that. Yet, people, many, take it. And it helps them. Same with Vitamin A, Zinc. Some sites have said that its "toxic" for this and that..Then on the home page it has advertisments for antibotics..hmm. lol.

I am going to continue taking it. Because in the long run, its better then any anti-botic for the skin out there. I know because I tried them all! (Tetracyclin, minocycline..amoxcillin, etc) All crap in the end.

Thats just my two cents.

Agree!! Nothing wrong with Borage oil or Vitamin E. Our bodies needs those vitamins , minerals etc.. However only need to take normal dosage that's all..

There's nothing wrong with Now brand Borage oil..I have asked like many people. And they say its great for you, and there's NO side effects. Don't always believe things on the internet..Scientests say that Vitamin E is bad for you. Its clearly not!..Some things aren't always true that you read. Borage oil has been my life saver not only for my skin, but for my stubborn-period problem. Accutane is bad for you, everywhere says that. Yet, people, many, take it. And it helps them. Same with Vitamin A, Zinc. Some sites have said that its "toxic" for this and that..Then on the home page it has advertisments for antibotics..hmm. lol.

 

I am going to continue taking it. Because in the long run, its better then any anti-botic for the skin out there. I know because I tried them all! (Tetracyclin, minocycline..amoxcillin, etc) All crap in the end.

 

Thats just my two cents.

 

Don't take studies out of their context. Scientists didn't say vitamin E itself is bad for you - if that were the case, almonds would be toxic. They said some synthetic vitamin E supplements ARE bad for you, and this is pretty true. Synthetic supplements in general aren't so great, synthetic FAT SOLUBLE supplements are in more cases then not bad ties. Synthetic vitamin A will give you a lot of problems if you OD on it like derms did to acne people in the 50's. Excess zinc will also cause problems because minerals are all meant to be in balance and by taking excessive amounts of zinc for months will throw other things off balance, like copper. This isn't to say supplementing with zinc if you have a deficiency is bad. Anyways all the more power to you if borage is working.

did borage oil help with redness or clogged pores? my main problem is little red bumps on my t-zone area.

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One 1/2 tsp serving Borage Oil typically provides 1300 mg of omega-6 fatty acids, 500 mg of which are gamma-linolenic acid. This is equivalent to 10 capsules of evening primrose oil.

And that 60oz bottle, which cost me $20CAD, holds a staggering amount of 24 servings of 500mg GLA in liquid form. It doesn't get better than this.

To whoever is lucky enough to live in Vancouver, BC: Capers has every single imaginable supplement and then some.

is there like an IB from EPO. It seemed to happen to me after i was going to the 1 month mark of using EPO. is it cuz it balances out the hormonal system? it was weird cuz i brokeout nearly in 9 pimples on the same day or the next, then i stopped breaking out. now they have cleared up.

Where can you get primrose oil? I think I may try it.

 

Im not convinced with omega 3s tbh. I think they take a lot of maintanence and protection, otherwise they turn on you and cause damage and flare ups. Leos Last Acne Solution is a good source of info on omega 3s and exactly what needs to be done to get the benefits and not any damaging effects. these include extensive supplementation and hardcore diet. Ive tried the omega 3 game before, and lost.

 

 

 

 

can you go into more detail about how the omega 3s can turn on you and cause flare ups/damaging effects? What happened when you tried them? I keep going round and round with various fatty acids sometimes 06 helps then it turns on me then sometimes GLA helps then turns on me.. etc etc. Your details would be very helpful! Thanks

 

 

 

Im not convinced with omega 3s tbh. I think they take a lot of maintanence and protection, otherwise they turn on you and cause damage and flare ups. Leos Last Acne Solution is a good source of info on omega 3s and exactly what needs to be done to get the benefits and not any damaging effects. these include extensive supplementation and hardcore diet. Ive tried the omega 3 game before, and lost.

 

 

 

 

can you go into more detail about how the omega 3s can turn on you and cause flare ups/damaging effects? What happened when you tried them? I keep going round and round with various fatty acids sometimes 06 helps then it turns on me then sometimes GLA helps then turns on me.. etc etc. Your details would be very helpful! Thanks

 

hi ctb85.

 

to answer your question GLA will decrease oil production if it gets absorbed and converted by the body properly. Thats why any GLA oil you take has to be taken with lecithin, otherwise you might add to your oil problem.

 

it is imbalanced hormones that cause an excess in oil production in the sebaceous glands which then leads to acne. by addressing the imbalanced hormones with GLA, which turn into prostaglandins-hormones- the excess oil is no longer produced.

 

that is the basic theory of why it works, but there is a lot more technical detail of what happens, so my explanation may seem a little oversimplified to some.

 

 

Where did you get the info about lecithin being needed for GLA to be absorbed? Have you tried taking borage with and without the lecithin? If so what were your results without the lecithin? Curious because borage used to work great for me but then it started causing a lot of inflammation.

 

found this interesting addendum from Udo's site about borage oil

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As while GLA is better absorbed with some vitamin such as selenuim and vitamin e, some vitamins can cause a breakout, such as the b-vits. This all based on my personal experience when i was checking the supplements and my reactions to them on an hour by hour basis.

What other vitamins did you find broke you out? thanks

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What other vitamins did you find broke you out? thanks

iodine (a mineral) and a vitamin b-complex supplement. Other supplements that broke me out were fat soluble vitamin c, omega 3 in high amounts (more than 5000mg of flaxseed oil or fish oil.)

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found this interesting addendum from Udo's site about borage oil

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this shows that refined borage oil is safe. refined borage oil is useless for us though. unrefined borage oil is not tested for safety.

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can you go into more detail about how the omega 3s can turn on you and cause flare ups/damaging effects? What happened when you tried them? I keep going round and round with various fatty acids sometimes 06 helps then it turns on me then sometimes GLA helps then turns on me.. etc etc. Your details would be very helpful! Thanks

omega 3 fatty acids are easily the most fragile and easily oxidized omega fatty acid. They are very unstable and need every form of protection they can get. They turn rancid very easily, oxidise before absorption easily and turn into free radicals...which is not good. They also need to be converted into the anti-inflammatory prostaglandins effectively otherwise they convert into the pro-inflammatory prostaglandins which will cause flare ups.

try adding vitamin e to your GLA supplementation. look here for more details:

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Where did you get the info about lecithin being needed for GLA to be absorbed? Have you tried taking borage with and without the lecithin? If so what were your results without the lecithin? Curious because borage used to work great for me but then it started causing a lot of inflammation.

Lecithin is widely cited as being useful for absorbing EFA's. In practice I found Borage Oil had little effect without the Lecithin. I tested with and without.

omega 3 fatty acids are easily the most fragile and easily oxidized omega fatty acid. They are very unstable and need every form of protection they can get. They turn rancid very easily, oxidise before absorption easily and turn into free radicals...which is not good. They also need to be converted into the anti-inflammatory prostaglandins effectively otherwise they convert into the pro-inflammatory prostaglandins which will cause flare ups.

 

thanks for all your comments and I love your website very good REALLY!

Can you go into detail about how much 03 causes breakouts? Have you found that increasing 03 decreases GLA/06? Personally I have found that too much 03 interferes with 06, while too much 06 in combo with a lot of 03 will cause inflammation. Have you noticed any trends? Also have noticed certain vitamins like vitamin C and bioflavinoids really intensify the action of 06/GLA so that less is required. Would love to hear about your experiences.

Lecithin is widely cited as being useful for absorbing EFA's. In practice I found Borage Oil had little effect without the Lecithin. I tested with and without.

 

Can you give more details? Were you taking the borage with food when you noticed "little effect" and so you added lectithin to increase absorption. Percentage wise what was the effect of borage with and without the lecithin? How long did you experiement with borage without lecithin? And did the borage cause any inflammation without lecithin.

Sorry for all the questions but Im now afraid to take borage because of the reactions I had from it last I experiemented with it but it did clear me up so I think its other factors that are causing this,

thanks!!

Lecithin is widely cited as being useful for absorbing EFA's. In practice I found Borage Oil had little effect without the Lecithin. I tested with and without.

 

Can you give more details? Were you taking the borage with food when you noticed "little effect" and so you added lectithin to increase absorption. Percentage wise what was the effect of borage with and without the lecithin? How long did you experiement with borage without lecithin? And did the borage cause any inflammation without lecithin.

 

Sorry for all the questions but Im now afraid to take borage because of the reactions I had from it last I experiemented with it but it did clear me up so I think its other factors that are causing this,

thanks!!

 

Lecithin facilitates the movement of fats in and out of cells. As EFAs are fats, thats how taking lecithin helps. Personally, I don't think it is necessary to supplement it, but I think it is better if you do. I actually take a higher strength phosphatidyl choline (hopefully I spelled that right) which is pretty much the active part of lecithin. Go to google and type in lecithin and fat and it should pull up some information.

Uhm...Can someone please tell me what I should take and where I can get all of this stuff?

I'm a bit confused.

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Can you give more details? Were you taking the borage with food when you noticed "little effect" and so you added lectithin to increase absorption. Percentage wise what was the effect of borage with and without the lecithin? How long did you experiement with borage without lecithin? And did the borage cause any inflammation without lecithin.

actionreaction summed up the technical operation of Lecithin in relation to fats well so I wont repeat it. As for my own experiments...

I tried borage oil a few months ago without lecithin at a 'normal' dosage of 1000mg/day, with food. I didnt notice any results after about a week so I upped the dose quite a lot to 5000mg/day. I noticed that my skin was reacting to this in a positive way, less breakouts and my face generally felt a lot calmer- nothing spectacular but a positive result is something to work with! I decided that a higher dose may be neccessay and also had read before that Lecithin helps with fat absorption (had even tried it a few times with omega 3 and omega blends) so decided to implement it. I added 1200mg lecithin x2/day and took with the borage oil. my skin rapidly started to heal in the next few days. I doubled the dose of borage oil to 10g/day and within a day my face was 100% clear.

Its hard to say what percentage the borage oil cleared me on its own. I would say about 50% acne free with only borage oil and 100% with borage oil and lecithin.

vitamin c helps the conversion of DGLA into PGE1 which is why you would have seen intensified results. Bioflavanoids increase the absorption and action of vitamin c...and also act as phytoestrogens which help reduce levels of androgens (high levels of which cause acne).

I'm actually surprised more clinical tests haven't been done into supplemental phytoestrogens and acne (as it is a method used amonsgt others for people with prostate cancer--which is caused by high levels of androgens...)

Katethegreat---get some GLA (in Evening primrose oil, blackcurrent seed oil or borage oil) and some lecithin to start off with and test this at 1000-2000mg GLA (quite a large dose) and 1200-2400mg lecithin/day. Split the dose into two, take just before eating food (within a couple of minutes) and with some milk (or other fat liquid.) Do this for a few days or a week and you should notice that you skin clears up, if not go here for reasons why not:

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Can you give more details? Were you taking the borage with food when you noticed "little effect" and so you added lectithin to increase absorption. Percentage wise what was the effect of borage with and without the lecithin? How long did you experiement with borage without lecithin? And did the borage cause any inflammation without lecithin.

actionreaction summed up the technical operation of Lecithin in relation to fats well so I wont repeat it. As for my own experiments...

I tried borage oil a few months ago without lecithin at a 'normal' dosage of 1000mg/day, with food. I didnt notice any results after about a week so I upped the dose quite a lot to 5000mg/day. I noticed that my skin was reacting to this in a positive way, less breakouts and my face generally felt a lot calmer- nothing spectacular but a positive result is something to work with! I decided that a higher dose may be neccessay and also had read before that Lecithin helps with fat absorption (had even tried it a few times with omega 3 and omega blends) so decided to implement it. I added 1200mg lecithin x2/day and took with the borage oil. my skin rapidly started to heal in the next few days. I doubled the dose of borage oil to 10g/day and within a day my face was 100% clear.

Its hard to say what percentage the borage oil cleared me on its own. I would say about 50% acne free with only borage oil and 100% with borage oil and lecithin.

vitamin c helps the conversion of DGLA into PGE1 which is why you would have seen intensified results. Bioflavanoids increase the absorption and action of vitamin c...and also act as phytoestrogens which help reduce levels of androgens (high levels of which cause acne).

I'm actually surprised more clinical tests haven't been done into supplemental phytoestrogens and acne (as it is a method used amonsgt others for people with prostate cancer--which is caused by high levels of androgens...)

Katethegreat---get some GLA (in Evening primrose oil, blackcurrent seed oil or borage oil) and some lecithin to start off with and test this at 1000-2000mg GLA (quite a large dose) and 1200-2400mg lecithin/day. Split the dose into two, take just before eating food (within a couple of minutes) and with some milk (or other fat liquid.) Do this for a few days or a week and you should notice that you skin clears up, if not go here for reasons why not:

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thank you very much for the details, I will try the lecithin with the GLA.

What effects/reactions did you have with omega 3?

It all sounds like a good idea, But I'm so busy I forget to take my fish oil pills 3 times a day. So It would be hard....

surely two doses a day isnt too much to remember? I find I forget less often due to taking it before eating, as the supplements are in the fridge so I never fail to notice them. Whereas i think its easier to forget to take supplements after a meal as you may be away from where you store the supplements when eating and just afterwards.

surely two doses a day isnt too much to remember? I find I forget less often due to taking it before eating, as the supplements are in the fridge so I never fail to notice them. Whereas i think its easier to forget to take supplements after a meal as you may be away from where you store the supplements when eating and just afterwards.

 

thank you very much for the details, I will try the lecithin with the GLA.

What effects/reactions did you have with omega 3?

thank you very much for the details, I will try the lecithin with the GLA.

What effects/reactions did you have with omega 3?

no problem.

well i noticed a worsening of my skin when supplementing with just omega 3 (fish oils, cod liver oils and flaxseed oils). I also tried omega 3 with lots of other vitamins & minerals and supplements without results. This was last year. My conclusion is that omega 3 oils are extremely fragile and volatile and require a great deal to keep them working for you instead of against you. This conclusion is in it's supplemental form as i have noticed great benefits to eating mackeral (fresh) to my skin, but only in small quantities and there is a limit to its success. So i wouldnt totally rule out omega 3s but i will be cautious in using them in the future.

I am going to purchase some EPO instead of BO due to what has been said by others(including someoneintheUK).

Do you now use EPO someoneintheuk? If so how much?

I also bought some Lecithin Granuls, and not the capsules. How much Lecithin Granuls should be taken per serving of EPO someoneintheuk? 3 teaspoons with milk or more?

thnx

Just to share my experience, I started the Facemaster course couple of weeks ago and it has some nice results, I'll say I have 95% improvement until now, I still have the scars and some minor breakouts, but I guess is because I dont take care of myself that well.

I'm 23/male and around april this year i started breaking out like crazy. I've been under a lot of stress (work and misc) and I guess that was the cause of it. I tried the normal stuff because I've never suffered of bad acne, like usual it worked but not completely. Since I dont drink a lot of water or eat healthy at all I guess the normal stuff wasnt working.

I started the Face master course and everything is almost fine now, I eat and drink whatever I want and even if I'm extremely stressed I dont see any new noticeable breakouts. My plan is like this (I plan to add lecithin to see if I have better results.

Morning

Vitamin E 400IU (GNC Isomer E)

Borage Oil 4g = 848mg GLA

Lunch or Dinner

Vitamin C 1000mg (GNC Ester C)

Chromium 800mcg (GNC Ultra Chromium Picolinate 800)

Zinc 15mg (GNC Ultra Chromium Picolinate 800)

Dinner

Vitamin E 400IU (GNC Isomer E)

Borage Oil 4g = 848mg GLA

I'll say since everything is natural why not give it a shot. It works on me, hopefully theres no placebo effect in this lol.

hey there SideFxs iv been on the face master corse 4 bout a month and havent gotten any consistant results yet but im trying out different combos 2 get satisfactory results.

i see that u are taking borage oil, r u not concerned of the negitive effects that i may have on the body?

i also c that u are not taking any lecithin, how cum? i thought that it was essential 4 this regine 2 work

congrats in getting ur acne under control ne way

Well I didnt take the lecithin because I was afraid the Lecithin would give me loose stools like the course says.

I forgot to add that I've been washing my face every other day with a mask of Brown Sugar, and I do Honey Masks every night, and I stop using all the crap I was using, and in the mornings usually just wash my face with some clinique face wash.

Now I dont know what actually is causing the improvement. But I like that routine, is not that bad.

Hey all! I started on Borage oil and lecithin 5 weeks ago with pretty amazing results. i got a big cyst on my cheek 2 days ago, but other than that my skins been pretty much clear from the second I started taking the supplements. I was only taking 1 g of borage oil 2x a day, which I upped to 4 g 2x a day since reading this thread. Hopefully that'll make this cyst go away, but anyway, I've been on the csr for 6 months now and its done little to help out my skin. i have quite a bit of scarring since I've been on it too and im starting to get some discoloration. I'm also just sick of the time investment, but I know my body is very used to bp, and I'm afraid of breaking out so I haven't quit. I know how badly I scar so I'd like to quit the csr without breaking out (ha ha wouldn't we all). Does anyone have any suggestions? i don't want to feel like a slave to my acne regimen forever!!!!