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Why do people go to Nelson Lee Novick

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I am genuinely curious as to why people "from all over the world" as I've read go to see such an expensive doctor when all he's doing is performing subcision. What's the difference between Dr. Novick and the doctor down the street? He's not doing anything special, why is this guy so popular.

Not a rant, I am literally just curious. 

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30 minutes ago, jetsetjosh said:

I am genuinely curious as to why people "from all over the world" as I've read go to see such an expensive doctor when all he's doing is performing subcision. What's the difference between Dr. Novick and the doctor down the street? He's not doing anything special, why is this guy so popular.

Not a rant, I am literally just curious. 


Because (supposedly) a doctors technique matters when performing subcision and fillers.

 

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Goto any General Derm and you will see ;-) IF they don't blast off your face with laser that does nothing but side effects, ... they don't do subcision. IF you can find someone else great. Your in the most expensive part of the country NYC. As such you pay a premium. Novick does old school revision and specializes in acne scars. His price is with filler. IF you want to save a buck travel to another state. You would not let anyone touch your sports car that needs special parts and work ... same should apply to your face. You can try Dr. Rapaport in Jersey but he is known to push energy devices ie. laser. You can say no to anything you don't want done, it's your face. Actually what they do are special, ... try to find some more derms that do this and you will see. Also read all the reports here and you will see patients need aftercare from the sub. It's harder to find sub than most other procedures. We only provide the Drs as a free reference, your free to find others ;-) Laser makes alot more money than sub and your out of their hair after their done while you have to "wait".

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I would only travel so far to see him. He is a good doctor but there are probably others that can do what he can.

Still, technique does matter and I'd personally rather go with someone I trust than someone I don't. I see it is giving somebody a job offer. He has a lot of experience, and leaves me with a good impression, so I hired him.

Edited by QuanHenry

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Speaking of which, is Dr Rullan only qualified subcision doc on the West Coast?
 

13 hours ago, jetsetjosh said:

What's the difference between Dr. Novick and the doctor down the street?


Acne scarring is not a priority for most derms and plastics. Likewise, it's very difficult to find qualified doctors that offer subcision. What's more troubling is the lack of knowledge on the part of the patient. So in the end, you have a doctor who has only a limited knowledge of acne scar treatment assisting the patient who has no idea what he or she is getting. My advice is that you, as a patient, should empower yourself with knowledge before embarking on any treatment.

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3 hours ago, dazzed said:

I've spoken in private to some who've gone to him and their results were mixed or they didn't rate him very well considering the prices he charges.  Just my two cents.

Well, i guess no doctor is good enough then.

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I went and see no difference did 5 scars at about 250$ each subscision/Filler ... the scar isn’t even leveled with my other skin and in light it’s still very visible.. idk maybe it’s time to just live with it 

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@Trrance I don't think the posters here understand what subcision is. IT does NOT make your skin level. OF course it's still visible. You have not done the work to level out the scars. IT takes multiple subcisions, rf needling, and peels for texture. One treatment will do nothing, even a few is only working on one plane you have various issues to work on with scars. Subcision does lessen the scars depth, but it does not always get rid of them. It isn't some magic Skin Te brush to make scars disappear. The texture will still be there. That being said many are happy with the results just from subcision. You also have to had the right scar type. If you have tiny little scars it may do nothing, ... or surface texture issues. Also some just don't heal well no matter what is done. Filler is the biggest expense of subcision.

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Reasons- 7 reasons why this dude is the dude other acne scar experts refer to...

1 Because he is honest, does not upsell unlike LA dermatologists
2. Because he believes than personal and manual revision is usually the best over expensive energy devices
3. He does not BullS*&T about scars - see his NO BS answers in real self.com - even to the point of placing OBGs , Dentists, Physicians and colleagues in their place. Respect for expressing his views. 
4. Because he is passionate about helping people
5. Other experts respect him totally with his approach and diverts all his US patients to him. See Q and A on real self and his recommendations on the top acne scar doctors and his reasons why. 
6. Because he is HUMAN as you said, mixed results. Well - that is MEDICINE for you, scar revision is medial, not like cosmetic filler or Botox - many variables here. If a Specialist has a 100% success rate, he's either The Almighty, or closer to him than most. (or has a great full time PR team behind him- DR J.E  L.A???)
7. He has limited Before and Afters but he's old school, noting bad, but just a comment, but if I had severe scars, he's one of the top 3 doctors I would see. Without hesitation . His Force is strong..... 

Further to add.. Subcsion and fillers etc..are very technical. Filler and a NOKOR is like an instrument. Novick is a master, the dude down the road saw a video or did a weekend course. The consequences for fillers in the wrong plane is serious. Loose eyesight if HA filler hits the retinal artery. Its not like a bad hair cut by someone 'down the street', it your vision. Novick still has risks, but much less than the occasional scar revision dude. 

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Yeah all that is just a headache... embrace the scars. It’s tough but once you get out of that box, which you trap yourself in, it all becomes irrelevant. Also I thought the filler should have brought the scar to surface, this market available for us is bullshit. Doctors are the biggest scammers ever lol :smileys_n_people_67:

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9 hours ago, Trrance said:

I went and see no difference did 5 scars at about 250$ each subscision/Filler ... the scar isn’t even leveled with my other skin and in light it’s still very visible.. idk maybe it’s time to just live with it 

I think that deeper scars need to be filled more than once, I had mine filled 3 times, one week apart as the skin raised with swelling after subcision and then went down a bit.. after that it was all gone - now after 8 months reappearing again slowly but not that deep anymore.

What was your overall improvement? less than 50%?

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Ide give it 10% I’m going to just try tca on small scars and leave the deep ones alone. I rather buy a house with that money then risk it without a reward lol maybe I’m just the 1% where nothing works. How much were you paying for the fillers?

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I went to Dr. Novick and I'm one of the very few that had bad experience with him.  I found him actually to be quite arrogant.  He loves to go on about himself.  

I went for a skin cancer screen check and to talk abt my acne scarring.  I had a red patch on my forehead that I had cryosurgery on a few months before but never seemed to heal.  I asked him abt it and he said its nothing, you need to be patient and let it heal.  I told him that I had been doing that for months, and he said it was nothing to worry about.  He gets annoyed if you question him.  Well it did indeed end up being skin cancer so I do not regard him high at all.

He also had done 4 shaved biopsies.  He sent one to one lab, and the other 3 to another lab.  I got the results of the one biopsy a couple of weeks later.  I then waited another cpl of weeks for the results of the others..I kept trying to call him, which btw can sometimes be quite hard to reach him.  There are times where nobody picks up the phone and you have to leave a message, I had to leave him quite a few messages never to be answered.  What I found extremely annoying is he was writing responses on Realself at this time..Its like really??  You can answer questions on realself but not get back to a patient?  He finally did get back to me via email..I found this to be quite unprofessional.  I asked him for my lab reports which took him quite a long time to send..The greatest thing abt this was it showed that my frkn results were sent to him 3 days after my appointment!!   Why did he tell me he hadn't gotten the results?  Yea so I don't like him lol.

Its fair to say tho I did not get scar treatment by him,  many say he's terrific at that.  Also the one great thing I did find abt him was his no wait policy, he really means no wait.  He blocks ample time to spend w his patients.  He is not one of those Drs who shoves in as many patients as possible.  I do find that amazing in this day and age..if you make an appointment for 10, you will be seen at 10...

Edited by shadylee

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He has his pros and cons. I had scar treatment done with him couple years back, and I decided to not see him again

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4 hours ago, Trrance said:

Ide give it 10% I’m going to just try tca on small scars and leave the deep ones alone. I rather buy a house with that money then risk it without a reward lol maybe I’m just the 1% where nothing works. How much were you paying for the fillers?

I paid 100 euros for 1unit of Belotero (I think it's 1ml? - was enough for both of my cheeks) and 100 euros for the docs work (3visits in 2 weeks, filler should not be stored for longer) and 10 for cannula so 210 euros overall.. But this is Europe and my doctor just tried subcision for acne scarring for the first time in her life and only managed to get rid of my biggest scar (but still worth it), the smaller once didn't react so great without subcision and she didn't even know what Nokor needle was.. And was just used to fill in wrinkes, so by no means an expert... Anyway I think some of the US prices stated here are ridiculous .. Feel bad for you especially because most of the treatments do not even work.. But at least you have many docs to choose from. Also it's shame you can't see Dr. Novick for the second time so he can use the rest of the filler you paid for without charging you again per one scar! Edited by Nina22

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27 minutes ago, Nina22 said:
I paid 100 euros for 1unit of Belotero (I think it's 1ml? - was enough for both of my cheeks) and 100 euros for the docs work (3visits in 2 weeks, filler should not be stored for longer) and 10 for cannula so 210 euros overall.. But this is Europe and my doctor just tried subcision for acne scarring for the first time in her life and only managed to get rid of my biggest scar (but still worth it), the smaller once didn't react so great without subcision and she didn't even know what Nokor needle was.. And was just used to fill in wrinkes, so by no means an expert... Anyway I think some of the US prices stated here are ridiculous .. Feel bad for you especially because most of the treatments do not even work.. But at least you have many docs to choose from. Also it's shame you can't see Dr. Novick for the second time so he can use the rest of the filler you paid for without charging you again per one scar!

You hit the nail with the hammer dead on lol. Charges out the ass but won’t do a touch up for free. Have your results been worth the struggle though? There could be some hope but mostly I think we should just accept the scars, I literally look like I was dipped in acid during baptism (maybe that’s far-fetched) but you know what? Life is to short for this shit, get a nice tan, enjoy food, make money, cover the mirrors and you’ll get through it. If anybody says something about the scars, tell them to go fuck theirselves and move on.

remember money=power ; a pretty face will get you so far  

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On 3/6/2018 at 0:14 PM, Trrance said:

Ide give it 10% I’m going to just try tca on small scars and leave the deep ones alone. I rather buy a house with that money


Rather buy a house?

What house are you buying for the cost of a few subcisions? 

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Wanted to clarify, my comment above was directed at Rapaport, who was mentioned briefly by BA.     Having realized that I was not being clear about my comments being directed towards Rapaport, it came off like it was about Novick.  That's why I deleted it.  I don't have anything to add about Novick other than what has been posted in the forums.

And yes, I agree it's time to take a break from this forum.  

Edited by dazzed

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I realize I have hyped up Novick on this board, but I have no problem with people criticizing him. For me, it was refreshing to experience a doctor tell it like it is, and actually manage improvement out of a treatment after years of false promises and exaggerated claims amounting to nothing. Nothing is guaranteed, and he specifically warns everyone of that before treatment.

Some of these comments are just ridiculous though.

Edited by QuanHenry

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Novick, Rapaport, Chu, Rullan, Weiner, Emery, Lam, Emil, Lim, etc... all humans... all practice medicine. IF  you do an ACL and have that repaired by the top guys that treat NFL players and NBA guys and charge 100 k for an op, chances are you will have a better result than an orthopedic surgeon who does a few ACLs a week. Acne scarring same deal. You are a statistic Chances are you will respond better to revision by these guys than the average plastic or dermatologist who revises your scars, but hey, what if you fall in the of medical patients that have poor genetics for neo-collagenasis (healing), or can't generate enough HSP 70 or 90? Its biology, its science, its not a hair cut. Its not a money back guarantee nor is it customer service, - though I do believe Specialist should be professional and extremely honest, its not a service industry. The most skilled Dr's are not going to do what you tell them based off internet research like someone less experienced would. They will educate the patient, and let them decide. Lots off misinformation out there. The good guys don't have time to hand hold treating thousands of patients. The patient needs to educate themselves and make the best decision for their chosen outcome. Don't like the food, Yelp it as bad service.. WTF not equivalent here, this is not the food industry. The patient, their body, and educational awareness play a part of the outcome. If anything this post is complaining about high cost  (price shopping), and not the doctor. It costs money to keep the door open, lease, pay staff, lawyer, marketing, insurance, supplies, new equipment, training, business costs, etc. Travel if the skill and cost of treatment suits you better elsewhere.

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14 hours ago, Obi wan said:

Novick, Rapaport, Chu, Rullan, Weiner, Emery, Lam, Emil, Lim, etc... all humans... all practice medicine. IF  you do an ACL and have that repaired by the top guys that treat NFL players and NBA guys and charge 100 k for an op, chances are you will have a better result than an orthopedic surgeon who does a few ACLs a week. Acne scarring same deal. You are a statistic Chances are you will respond better to revision by these guys than the average plastic or dermatologist who revises your scars, but hey, what if you fall in the of medical patients that have poor genetics for neo-collagenasis (healing), or can't generate enough HSP 70 or 90? Its biology, its science, its not a hair cut. Its not a money back guarantee nor is it customer service, - though I do believe Specialist should be professional and extremely honest, its not a service industry. The most skilled Dr's are not going to do what you tell them based off internet research like someone less experienced would. They will educate the patient, and let them decide. Lots off misinformation out there. The good guys don't have time to hand hold treating thousands of patients. The patient needs to educate themselves and make the best decision for their chosen outcome. Don't like the food, Yelp it as bad service.. WTF not equivalent here, this is not the food industry. The patient, their body, and educational awareness play a part of the outcome. If anything this post is complaining about high cost  (price shopping), and not the doctor. It costs money to keep the door open, lease, pay staff, lawyer, marketing, insurance, supplies, new equipment, training, business costs, etc. Travel if the skill and cost of treatment suits you better elsewhere.


This dude sounds more human when he's angry. >_<

I guess we're all human, after all.

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@Trrance Can you do me a favor and edit out the F word from your post above. I am sorry he is trolling you. The best way to handle this is is the report aka the Flag icon to the right of the post so it can be dealt with >

I also want to correct something so we don't scare everyone off from doing subcision. 20 scars is not $150K. Novick charges as a package and the biggest cost is the amount of filler needed not the amount of scars. He charges the scar fee for those with less scars and a different package price for those who have a bunch. While it's expensive (cost of filler) it should not be over a "few $K" for 3 treatments. Again if you need cheaper treatment don't hesitate to travel elsewhere.

Thanks,
BA  
 

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