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Hey WishClean, I definitely dont feel comfortable posting a picture on the open forum. I will PM you one later if you want though. I can tell you that my acne was diagnosed as nodular by a dermatologistit involves hard, deep lumps on my chin that never come to a head and range in size from a pea to a nickel (usually). This recent one is the size of a quarter thoughand Ive never had one that largewhich makes me think that it might be a reaction to something in DIM Detox. DIM Detox contains NAC, which didnt agree with me when I took it on its own; however, it only contains 100mgs, as opposed to the 600mgs I was taking separately (so I thought it would be ok).
Im back on Natures Way, so I hope the swelling will go down. However, Natures Way does contain soy and according to the most recent reviews on amazon, the company has changed the formula somewhatadded titanium dioxide for colour (which apparently is not good?).
A lot of reviewers say that DIM, calcium d glucarate, and vitex was the magic formula for them. My mom has been pushing me to try vitex. Ive been reluctant though because many reviews claim that when they came off of vitex their acne became ten times worsewhich sounds a lot like the HELL I went through when I came off of birth control a few years ago. What do you make of that? Do you have a brand of vitex that you would recommend (thats available in Canada)?
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Do you think EPO is less risky than vitex? What's your experience with EPO? Do you have a brand (that's available in Canada) that you would recommend?
I can send you herpanacine if you would like? I trust you. You could just send me a cheque or something once you receive the package.
Bad news: I got two more nodules and one is the worst I have ever had. Im guessing that Ive reacted poorly to something in the DIM Detoxsince its a cocktail of different herbs. So frustrated! Im back on DIM Plus, even though I was never getting full results on it. Does anyone think that any of the filler ingredients in DIM Plus could be preventing success, like the soy? Anyone have any other recommendations? Ive been on it for over three months and still no success. Even a distributer of the product said that one should see results in 4-6 weeks.
Hi bren,
Sorry to hear that. Do you mind posting a photo (or sending me one in a PM) of the nodules? I'm curious to see if they look like the deep ones I used to get. I still get one from time to time, especially if I eat too much sugar or carbs, but they subside much quicker and don't seem to leave more scars.
I'm not sure which one I would pick actually...sounds like the DIM detox is a bit risky due to all the herbs it contains. How about trying one that has both DIM and vitex? Maybe in your case you need both?
Don't despair...distributors usually overestimate the time it takes for a product to work. If the nodules are less frequent, that's still encouraging. Maybe add a little bit of vitex with the Dim Plus to see if that helps? Or evening primrose oil?
I will need to look into the DIM supplements more carefully...I have to order herpanacine from iherb in a few days because I'm running low and can't find it in Europe, so I might try purchasing another brand of DIM to see if it's better than the one I'm currently using. I personally would not take anything with soy or I3C for too long..maybe it's good short-term while hormones are rebalanced.
The swelling has completely gone down from my recent flare up. I have highly reactive skin, so I'm thinking that there could have been something in the DD formula that exacerbated my breakout. Though, the reason why I took DD to begin with was because I had a nodule. I'm hoping this setback subsides. For now it's a wait and see situation. I guess I'll know it a week or two whether or not I'm back on track or need to consider alternatives or additions to Nature's Way DIM.
Hi
I am not an expert but if you live in Canada I would highly recommend that you look at Estrosmart or Estrosmart plus by Lorna Vanderhaege. They both contain DIM and are recommended for hormonal acne (the Estrosmart plus contains vitex). Neither product contains gluten or soy. She has a website called Health and Immunity and she has written several books on women's health issues specifically hormones. My daughter took the Estrosmart plus after coming off birth control and luckily has had no issue with her skin or her period resuming.
Might be worth investigating. You can buy them at any health food store or online.
Good luck.
Thanks for this. Did your daughter have trouble with acne prior? And if so, what type of acne?
I am familiar with that brand, I take the Glucosmart. But when I was first starting DIM, others on this forum advised me against trying a complex because it's hard to predict what ingredients may be helping or hurting. And since I just had an issue with a complex (DIM Detox), I'm hesitant. I do, however, want to try a soy-free DIM. Another issue is that in the Q&A on Lorna's website, many people claim they had a horrendous initial breakout from Estrosmart. What do you make of that?
Thanks again.
Hi
I am not an expert but if you live in Canada I would highly recommend that you look at Estrosmart or Estrosmart plus by Lorna Vanderhaege. They both contain DIM and are recommended for hormonal acne (the Estrosmart plus contains vitex). Neither product contains gluten or soy. She has a website called Health and Immunity and she has written several books on women's health issues specifically hormones. My daughter took the Estrosmart plus after coming off birth control and luckily has had no issue with her skin or her period resuming.
Might be worth investigating. You can buy them at any health food store or online.
Good luck.
Hi WishClean,
I'm sorry that I haven't sent you a picture, I thought I had one on my phone (I have over 600 photos on here) but I guess I deleted it. I hope I don't have another flare up, but if I do, I'll snap a pic and PM you.
Bad news: I got two more nodules and one is the worst I have ever had. Im guessing that Ive reacted poorly to something in the DIM Detoxsince its a cocktail of different herbs. So frustrated! Im back on DIM Plus, even though I was never getting full results on it. Does anyone think that any of the filler ingredients in DIM Plus could be preventing success, like the soy? Anyone have any other recommendations? Ive been on it for over three months and still no success. Even a distributer of the product said that one should see results in 4-6 weeks.
Hi bren,
Sorry to hear that. Do you mind posting a photo (or sending me one in a PM) of the nodules? I'm curious to see if they look like the deep ones I used to get. I still get one from time to time, especially if I eat too much sugar or carbs, but they subside much quicker and don't seem to leave more scars.
I'm not sure which one I would pick actually...sounds like the DIM detox is a bit risky due to all the herbs it contains. How about trying one that has both DIM and vitex? Maybe in your case you need both?
Don't despair...distributors usually overestimate the time it takes for a product to work. If the nodules are less frequent, that's still encouraging. Maybe add a little bit of vitex with the Dim Plus to see if that helps? Or evening primrose oil?
I will need to look into the DIM supplements more carefully...I have to order herpanacine from iherb in a few days because I'm running low and can't find it in Europe, so I might try purchasing another brand of DIM to see if it's better than the one I'm currently using. I personally would not take anything with soy or I3C for too long..maybe it's good short-term while hormones are rebalanced.
Hey bren,
Sorry for the late response...I started a second job and I've been trying to adjust to the lack of free time lol.
Actually, I found herpanacine finally, it was buy one, get one half off so I stocked up, but thanks for the offer! You should try taking those for at least a month to see if they make a difference.
Funny you mention EPO...my acupuncturist suggested I start taking it again. Last time I took it on its own, it caused me some stomach problems but that was when my acne & digestive issues were at their worst. Now I have been trying a lower dose (500mg instead of 1300mg) for the past couple of days. It's too early to tell if it's working...I think you could try it, it doesn't hurt and usually it's tolerated quite well. You could also try omega 3s...I might try them again soon, I had stomach problems with fish oil in the past, so for now I'm not going to add anything else.
I updated my log with new photos of my skin & some topical things I have been trying.
Hey WishClean,
No worries! I've also been working two jobs, so I know the feeling.
Unfortunately, I can't seem to tolerate fish oil, last time I tried it I got two huge nodules the next day. Then I quit it and they were gone in a few days. I wonder if EPO would be different? I am interested in herpicine but I'm so nervous to change things. I have had this underground cyst thing for a few weeks, so I tried squeezing it (I'm normally pretty good about not picking). Well, it has blown up into a huge nodule. Not sure if the inflammation will recede, but it's very hard. Has this ever happened to you- giving yourself a nodule by squeezing a smaller issue? And if so, do you have a suggestion to better resolve it?
I'll check out your gallery when I get off work today. 
Hey bren,
Sorry for the late response...I started a second job and I've been trying to adjust to the lack of free time lol.
Actually, I found herpanacine finally, it was buy one, get one half off so I stocked up, but thanks for the offer! You should try taking those for at least a month to see if they make a difference.
Funny you mention EPO...my acupuncturist suggested I start taking it again. Last time I took it on its own, it caused me some stomach problems but that was when my acne & digestive issues were at their worst. Now I have been trying a lower dose (500mg instead of 1300mg) for the past couple of days. It's too early to tell if it's working...I think you could try it, it doesn't hurt and usually it's tolerated quite well. You could also try omega 3s...I might try them again soon, I had stomach problems with fish oil in the past, so for now I'm not going to add anything else.
I updated my log with new photos of my skin & some topical things I have been trying.
Hey WishClean,
No worries! I've also been working two jobs, so I know the feeling.
Unfortunately, I can't seem to tolerate fish oil, last time I tried it, I got two huge nodules the next day. Then I quit it and they were gone in a few days. I wonder if EPO would be different? I am interested in herpicine but I'm so nervous to change things. I have had this underground cyst thing for a few weeks, so I tried squeezing it (I'm normally pretty good about not picking). Well, it has blown up into a huge nodule. Not sure if the inflammation will recede, but it's very hard. Has this ever happened to you- giving yourself a nodule by squeezing a smaller issue? And if so, do you have a suggestion to better resolve it?
I'll check out your gallery when I get off work today.
It's been awhile! How's it going, dear brenmc? I hope things are starting to clear up for you, you are in my thoughts! (:
And, I have experienced what you described... I was a bad picker (anxiety driven) and almost any time I had acne and I didn't "know" if it would pop by picking at it slightly, they seemed to get much worse! Ice helped me the most to bring down that inflammation, along with a good night's sleep. I hope that that cyst is long gone by now, and they all stay away for good! (:
Hi hearts! It's nice to hear from you. Thank you for thinking of me. The support on this forum is invaluable.
I agree with you completely, no good can come from picking a cyst or a nodule. Sometimes the urge is just so overwhelming, especially if you're very eager to see some progress.
My skin is still troubled. I have been on DIM for four months now. This is the longest I've ever stuck with anything that hasn't sorted my skin out. Definitely an exercise in patience. The other night I stumbled across an old post that WishClean wrote in response to someone who wasn't having success with inositol. She explained that in some cases (especially if you eat carbs or sugar) inositol can actually make insulin resistance worse. Well, I restarted inositol at the same time I started DIM. I wonder if it could be slowing my progress or working against me. What do you think?
I've also been revising my topical treatments because I seem to have a bunch of underground whiteheads. I came across some interesting stuff on barbary fig oil aka prickly pear oil. Apparently it's high in linoleic acid, something acne-sufferers are low in. Do you think that could help?
Thanks!
B
Hey WishClean,
No worries! I've also been working two jobs, so I know the feeling.
Unfortunately, I can't seem to tolerate fish oil, last time I tried it, I got two huge nodules the next day. Then I quit it and they were gone in a few days. I wonder if EPO would be different? I am interested in herpicine but I'm so nervous to change things. I have had this underground cyst thing for a few weeks, so I tried squeezing it (I'm normally pretty good about not picking). Well, it has blown up into a huge nodule. Not sure if the inflammation will recede, but it's very hard. Has this ever happened to you- giving yourself a nodule by squeezing a smaller issue? And if so, do you have a suggestion to better resolve it?
I'll check out your gallery when I get off work today.
It's been awhile! How's it going, dear brenmc? I hope things are starting to clear up for you, you are in my thoughts! (:
And, I have experienced what you described... I was a bad picker (anxiety driven) and almost any time I had acne and I didn't "know" if it would pop by picking at it slightly, they seemed to get much worse! Ice helped me the most to bring down that inflammation, along with a good night's sleep. I hope that that cyst is long gone by now, and they all stay away for good! (:
Hi hearts! It's nice to hear from you. Thank you for thinking of me. The support on this forum is invaluable.
I agree with you completely, no good can come from picking a cyst or a nodule. Sometimes the urge is just so overwhelming, especially if you're very eager to see some progress.
My skin is still troubled. I have been on DIM for four months now. This is the longest I've ever stuck with anything that hasn't sorted my skin out. Definitely an exercise in patience. The other night I stumbled across an old post that WishClean wrote in response to someone who wasn't having success with inositol. She explained that in some cases (especially if you eat carbs or sugar) inositol can actually make insulin resistance worse. Well, I restarted inositol at the same time I started DIM. I wonder if it could be slowing my progress or working against me. What do you think?
I've also been revising my topical treatments because I seem to have a bunch of underground whiteheads. I came across some interesting stuff on barbary fig oil aka prickly pear oil. Apparently it's high in linoleic acid, something acne-sufferers are low in. Do you think that could help?
Thanks!
B
Hey brenmc, thanks for replying. I'm sorry that your skin is still being stubborn! I recall you starting DIM on the first week of August, so it probably has been long enough to tell how it's working... especially since you've lost weight on it. Has your skin improved at all on DIM? Or are you where you started/worse? Since you don't post pictures (understandable) it's kinda hard for me to keep up with your progress.
That's interesting about inositol and insulin resistance... now I am starting to think that's what happened to me with the weight gain, actually. No matter what I do to increase testosterone lately, nothing helps. It's possible that inositol could be interfering with DIM, but it's kind of impossible to tell without taking one without the other. I took both with no problems, aside from weight gain... but then again I started inositol when I was already clear.
I've never heard of barbary fig oil! I'll look into it a little and get back to you. I do know that linoleic acid (or at least conjugated linoleic acid) can improve insulin resistance among other benefits. Now you have me really interested! (:
Hi hearts,
I have actually been taking three DIM per day since July 1st, I remember because that's Canada Day.
I can't really say if DIM is improving my skin or not. The frequency of my breakouts is hard to judge since I have been off and on different medications which have changed the duration and frequency of my breakouts from none in four years to one every other day. I can say I have not had consistently clear skin in over a year. And some of the nodules I've gotten over the last few months have been the worst of my life. Yet, my period is regular and I've lost weight. So DIM seems to be doing something.
I would post pictures if I kept them but I've found that it's bad for my mental health to have pictures of my breakouts on my phone. And my phone is the primary way I access the Internet. So I always delete them a day later.
Let me know if you come up with anything regarding inositol and increasing breakouts and/or interacting with DIM, and I'll do the same.
I really found inositol prevented me from losing weight, until now I guess when I've taken it in conjunction with DIM. But before when I was on inositol and spiro, I did a ton of boot camps and diets and could not lose a pound. I really think DIM is your best bet. Good luck! Xo.
Hi hearts! It's nice to hear from you. Thank you for thinking of me. The support on this forum is invaluable.
I agree with you completely, no good can come from picking a cyst or a nodule. Sometimes the urge is just so overwhelming, especially if you're very eager to see some progress.
My skin is still troubled. I have been on DIM for four months now. This is the longest I've ever stuck with anything that hasn't sorted my skin out. Definitely an exercise in patience. The other night I stumbled across an old post that WishClean wrote in response to someone who wasn't having success with inositol. She explained that in some cases (especially if you eat carbs or sugar) inositol can actually make insulin resistance worse. Well, I restarted inositol at the same time I started DIM. I wonder if it could be slowing my progress or working against me. What do you think?
I've also been revising my topical treatments because I seem to have a bunch of underground whiteheads. I came across some interesting stuff on barbary fig oil aka prickly pear oil. Apparently it's high in linoleic acid, something acne-sufferers are low in. Do you think that could help?
Thanks!
B
Hey brenmc, thanks for replying. I'm sorry that your skin is still being stubborn! I recall you starting DIM on the first week of August, so it probably has been long enough to tell how it's working... especially since you've lost weight on it. Has your skin improved at all on DIM? Or are you where you started/worse? Since you don't post pictures (understandable) it's kinda hard for me to keep up with your progress.
That's interesting about inositol and insulin resistance... now I am starting to think that's what happened to me with the weight gain, actually. No matter what I do to increase testosterone lately, nothing helps. It's possible that inositol could be interfering with DIM, but it's kind of impossible to tell without taking one without the other. I took both with no problems, aside from weight gain... but then again I started inositol when I was already clear.
I've never heard of barbary fig oil! I'll look into it a little and get back to you. I do know that linoleic acid (or at least conjugated linoleic acid) can improve insulin resistance among other benefits. Now you have me really interested! (:
Hi hearts,
I have actually been taking three DIM per day since July 1st, I remember because that's Canada Day.
I can't really say if DIM is improving my skin or not. The frequency of my breakouts is hard to judge since I have been off and on different medications which have changed the duration and frequency of my breakouts from none in four years to one every other day. I can say I have not had consistently clear skin in over a year. And some of the nodules I've gotten over the last few months have been the worst of my life. Yet, my period is regular and I've lost weight. So DIM seems to be doing something.
I would post pictures if I kept them but I've found that it's bad for my mental health to have pictures of my breakouts on my phone. And my phone is the primary way I access the Internet. So I always delete them a day later.
Let me know if you come up with anything regarding inositol and increasing breakouts and/or interacting with DIM, and I'll do the same.
I really found inositol prevented me from losing weight, until now I guess when I've taken it in conjunction with DIM. But before when I was on inositol and spiro, I did a ton of boot camps and diets and could not lose a pound. I really think DIM is your best bet. Good luck! Xo.
I understand about the pictures, no worries! Especially if you don't have a computer where you can hide them, that would be quite demotivating to look at all the time.
I'll keep looking at inositol with DIM... haven't found anything yet.
What do you think you'll do now? I feel so helpless with your situation now... I don't know what to tell you because you have tried practically everything that helps with PCOS acne, at least that I know of! Hmm...
So I have decided not to add DIM back in. Today I ordered some Myomin which is kinda expensive, even here in America! I don't plan on buying more than one bottle (120 caps) and I don't even plan on taking the full dose. My reason for trying Myomin instead of DIM for the weight is because I was on DIM with inositol and still gained weight, unlike your situation. My thought is if DIM could help me lose weight (which it didn't, even before inositol), it would have at least stopped inositol from making me gain especially at that little of dose. I think I need to stop my testosterone from converting into estrogen and lower estrogen all together, which is what Myomin does. Anyway, it will be interesting to see if it helps! *crosses fingers* I read somewhere that it can work in as little as 10 days but I can never really trust numbers like that. I believe it's possible to wean/stop it later with no problems, too. I'll keep everyone updated.
Hey hearts,
Good luck with the weight loss, I'm sure it will work out.
Maybe inositol builds up in our system. I mean, this is just one hypothesis, but maybe that's what happened to me at the start of this rabbit hole over a year ago. Perhaps the inositol built up (with the spiro) and increased my estrogen too much and now, even though I'm on DIM, the inositol is working against it. I'm planning on weaning down my 600mgs of inositol to see if I can get some relief. If anything, at least I'll find out whether or not I need to be on it. The only hiccup in this theory is that antiandrogens worked on my acne in the past. Clearly they haven't been working lately, but they did. Which makes the whole thing more complex than simply lowering my estrogen.
Just an idea, but maybe you should try CDG to cleanse your liver and body of built up estrogen. I'm on it and it has not exacerbated my skin at all.
Hi hearts,
I have actually been taking three DIM per day since July 1st, I remember because that's Canada Day.
I can't really say if DIM is improving my skin or not. The frequency of my breakouts is hard to judge since I have been off and on different medications which have changed the duration and frequency of my breakouts from none in four years to one every other day. I can say I have not had consistently clear skin in over a year. And some of the nodules I've gotten over the last few months have been the worst of my life. Yet, my period is regular and I've lost weight. So DIM seems to be doing something.
I would post pictures if I kept them but I've found that it's bad for my mental health to have pictures of my breakouts on my phone. And my phone is the primary way I access the Internet. So I always delete them a day later.
Let me know if you come up with anything regarding inositol and increasing breakouts and/or interacting with DIM, and I'll do the same.
I really found inositol prevented me from losing weight, until now I guess when I've taken it in conjunction with DIM. But before when I was on inositol and spiro, I did a ton of boot camps and diets and could not lose a pound. I really think DIM is your best bet. Good luck! Xo.
I understand about the pictures, no worries! Especially if you don't have a computer where you can hide them, that would be quite demotivating to look at all the time.
I'll keep looking at inositol with DIM... haven't found anything yet.
What do you think you'll do now? I feel so helpless with your situation now... I don't know what to tell you because you have tried practically everything that helps with PCOS acne, at least that I know of! Hmm...
So I have decided not to add DIM back in. Today I ordered some Myomin which is kinda expensive, even here in America! I don't plan on buying more than one bottle (120 caps) and I don't even plan on taking the full dose. My reason for trying Myomin instead of DIM for the weight is because I was on DIM with inositol and still gained weight, unlike your situation. My thought is if DIM could help me lose weight (which it didn't, even before inositol), it would have at least stopped inositol from making me gain especially at that little of dose. I think I need to stop my testosterone from converting into estrogen and lower estrogen all together, which is what Myomin does. Anyway, it will be interesting to see if it helps! *crosses fingers* I read somewhere that it can work in as little as 10 days but I can never really trust numbers like that. I believe it's possible to wean/stop it later with no problems, too. I'll keep everyone updated.
Hey hearts,
Good luck with the weight loss, I'm sure it will work out.
Maybe inositol builds up in our system. I mean, this is just one hypothesis, but maybe that's what happened to me at the start of this rabbit hole over a year ago. Perhaps the inositol built up (with the spiro) and increased my estrogen too much and now, even though I'm on DIM, the inositol is working against it. I'm planning on weaning down my 600mgs of inositol to see if I can get some relief. If anything, at least I'll find out whether or not I need to be on it. The only hiccup in this theory is that antiandrogens worked on my acne in the past. Clearly they haven't been working lately, but they did. Which makes the whole thing more complex than simply lowering my estrogen.
Just an idea, but maybe you should try CDG to cleanse your liver and body of built up estrogen. I'm on it and it has not exacerbated my skin at all.
That's a good theory, I could see that being a possibility. Why are you concerned about anti-androgens with lowering inositol? If inositol is hindering DIM, getting rid of inositol should improve the anti-androgenic effect of DIM, right? DIM is an anti-androgen in addition to it's ability to metabolize estrogen.
CDG honestly scares me because I have read about people breaking out from it. I found nothing about Myomin causing acne, in fact it helped a few people from what I read.
I hope lowering inositol helps you! (:
Good luck with myomin! I really hope it works for you. I hear you about being nervous to add CDG because of negative reviews, but for every negative there is a positive. And I literally breakout from EVERYTHING and have had no issues with CDG (though I still breakout, the frequency and severity hasn't changed as a result of CDG). If you do consider it in the future, just start with a super low dose and a reputable brand.
I forgot that DIM is supposed to be an antiandrogen! You rarely read about that element, the literature is usually all about estrogen. Could you explain the antiandrogen action of DIM to me? Confused. :-S
Thx!
B
Hey hearts,
Good luck with the weight loss, I'm sure it will work out.
Maybe inositol builds up in our system. I mean, this is just one hypothesis, but maybe that's what happened to me at the start of this rabbit hole over a year ago. Perhaps the inositol built up (with the spiro) and increased my estrogen too much and now, even though I'm on DIM, the inositol is working against it. I'm planning on weaning down my 600mgs of inositol to see if I can get some relief. If anything, at least I'll find out whether or not I need to be on it. The only hiccup in this theory is that antiandrogens worked on my acne in the past. Clearly they haven't been working lately, but they did. Which makes the whole thing more complex than simply lowering my estrogen.
Just an idea, but maybe you should try CDG to cleanse your liver and body of built up estrogen. I'm on it and it has not exacerbated my skin at all.
That's a good theory, I could see that being a possibility. Why are you concerned about anti-androgens with lowering inositol? If inositol is hindering DIM, getting rid of inositol should improve the anti-androgenic effect of DIM, right? DIM is an anti-androgen in addition to it's ability to metabolize estrogen.
CDG honestly scares me because I have read about people breaking out from it. I found nothing about Myomin causing acne, in fact it helped a few people from what I read.
I hope lowering inositol helps you! (:
Good luck with myomin! I really hope it works for you. I hear you about being nervous to add CDG because of negative reviews, but for every negative there is a positive. And I literally breakout from EVERYTHING and have had no issues with CDG (though I still breakout, the frequency and severity hasn't changed as a result of CDG). If you do consider it in the future, just start with a super low dose and a reputable brand.
I forgot that DIM is supposed to be an antiandrogen! You rarely read about that element, the literature is usually all about estrogen. Could you explain the antiandrogen action of DIM to me? Confused. :-S
Thx!
B
Sorry I missed this until now!
Yeah, there was a study done to show that it was quite a potent anti-androgen but there really isn't that much more written about it. To be honest, I am not sure how potent it is compared to spiro, etc. I have read on another forum of someone getting their DHT tested before and after DIM and it did reduce levels. I really think that the effect is what cleared the rest of my skin up, but it's impossible to know for sure.
How's everything going?
Thanks for the encouragement about Myomin, I just got it in the mail today. (:
Thanks hearts. I'm still having issues with my skin, so I've been thinking that perhaps I should try a different brand of DIM. I did try DIM Detox for a few days and it made my acne much worse, but perhaps that's because it's a cocktail of herbs. I've been looking into Smoky Mountain Naturals DIM becasue it's soy-free. Thoughts?
WishClean, if you read this, I'd love your opinion too!
Good luck with myomin! I really hope it works for you. I hear you about being nervous to add CDG because of negative reviews, but for every negative there is a positive. And I literally breakout from EVERYTHING and have had no issues with CDG (though I still breakout, the frequency and severity hasn't changed as a result of CDG). If you do consider it in the future, just start with a super low dose and a reputable brand.
I forgot that DIM is supposed to be an antiandrogen! You rarely read about that element, the literature is usually all about estrogen. Could you explain the antiandrogen action of DIM to me? Confused. :-S
Thx!
BSorry I missed this until now!
Yeah, there was a study done to show that it was quite a potent anti-androgen but there really isn't that much more written about it. To be honest, I am not sure how potent it is compared to spiro, etc. I have read on another forum of someone getting their DHT tested before and after DIM and it did reduce levels. I really think that the effect is what cleared the rest of my skin up, but it's impossible to know for sure.
How's everything going?
Thanks for the encouragement about Myomin, I just got it in the mail today. (:
On 12/2/2014 at 7:28 AM, brenmc said:Thanks hearts. I'm still having issues with my skin, so I've been thinking that perhaps I should try a different brand of DIM. I did try DIM Detox for a few days and it made my acne much worse, but perhaps that's because it's a cocktail of herbs. I've been looking into Smoky Mountain Naturals DIM becasue it's soy-free. Thoughts?
WishClean, if you read this, I'd love your opinion too!
You could if you want it's not a bad idea. I remember you saying that Estroblock worked for some girls when other DIM brands didn't. Even though it has I3C, maybe that's what it takes for some people. If you're going to try changing brands it would be better to do it now while you are already taking DIM.
In my opinion I don't think brand is going to matter that much, but maybe I'm wrong. If you saw some improvement with DIM it would be a different story but it doesn't sound like you have. Correct me if I'm wrong.
By the way, this is random but it made me think of your situation with spiro... L-lysine worked for a girl with PCOS when spiro didn't work completely. Worth a glance, anyway.
Well, I was thinking another brand might be worth a shot before I give up DIM completely. Some reviewers claim that one brand was more effective than another. Also, my period has regulated since on DIM and I have lost some weight. Im too scared to try EstroBlock because its a mix of different things and that did not agree with me when I tried DIM Detox. I was considering Smoky Mountain Naturals because its soy-free.
On 12/2/2014 at 8:59 PM, hearts said:On 12/2/2014 at 7:28 AM, brenmc said:Thanks hearts. I'm still having issues with my skin, so I've been thinking that perhaps I should try a different brand of DIM. I did try DIM Detox for a few days and it made my acne much worse, but perhaps that's because it's a cocktail of herbs. I've been looking into Smoky Mountain Naturals DIM becasue it's soy-free. Thoughts?
WishClean, if you read this, I'd love your opinion too!
You could if you want it's not a bad idea. I remember you saying that Estroblock worked for some girls when other DIM brands didn't. Even though it has I3C, maybe that's what it takes for some people. If you're going to try changing brands it would be better to do it now while you are already taking DIM.
In my opinion I don't think brand is going to matter that much, but maybe I'm wrong. If you saw some improvement with DIM it would be a different story but it doesn't sound like you have. Correct me if I'm wrong.
By the way, this is random but it made me think of your situation with spiro... L-lysine worked for a girl with PCOS when spiro didn't work completely. Worth a glance, anyway.
Hi, I've been taking DIM for like a year or so now.. I take Estroblock triple strength, and I still breakout pretty frequently. And I mean all kinds of acne. Lately, I've been experiencing more cystic type acne which really suuuuucks. I also took Nature's Way DIM for awhile. I take with liver support of course. As someone who's acne was most under control while on birth control..this hasn't worked for me. I don't understand why it hasn't. Doctors have been extremely difficult to work with as far as testing my hormones, I've asked for a saliva test a few times and have been sent to get blood work done instead despite my pleas for saliva. I eat a really restrictive diet, lots of veggies, fruits, legumes, seeds, nuts, some grains like brown/wild rice..maybe couscous and quinoa but very rarely and game (venison)..rarely. I'm careful about what I put on my face also. I'm breaking out more, and I'm recently eating much better..I'm not about to get my period. I'm worried I'm taking far too many supplements. I take several antioxidants, liver supports..
I take..
Vitamin A, D3
Raw VItamin E, K, Selenium also includes some A and D.
NAC, CDG, Silymarin which is Milkthistle, also containsDandelion, and Artichoke
Zinc Picolinate
Quercitin
Magnesium Glycinate
Vegan Omega 3 DHA, EPA
Green Tea Extract
Ashwagandha
Niacin (B3)--The kind that flushes
Cinnamon
MSM powder
Maca root powder..but not regularly
I'm probably forgetting something..
I've recently quit taking Vitex (Chasteberry), Super B complex, and I did initially quit taking DIM, but I started to get a nasty cyst on my chin so out of fear I started taking it again. My face was getting really oily so, I thought that the hormone adjusting supplements were negatively affecting me. I've just added the A, D3, Zinc, Magnesium, Cinnamon, MSM and CDG. I'm exhausted..I'm scared to drop any supplements..it's becoming more and more expensive. I also drink green tea with spearmint and peppermint..I don't like tea, but I've heard it's good for balancing anoily face and it's got antioxidants.. So, I'm wondering..am I over doing it? Should I quit the DIM? I also have Wild Yam pills which boost progesterone, but again, I don't want to take that until I find a doctor who will properly test my levels. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
On 12/29/2015, 7:03:40, DexPeanuts said:Hi, I've been taking DIM for like a year or so now.. I take Estroblock triple strength, and I still breakout pretty frequently. And I mean all kinds of acne. Lately, I've been experiencing more cystic type acne which really suuuuucks. I also took Nature's Way DIM for awhile. I take with liver support of course. As someone who's acne was most under control while on birth control..this hasn't worked for me. I don't understand why it hasn't. Doctors have been extremely difficult to work with as far as testing my hormones, I've asked for a saliva test a few times and have been sent to get blood work done instead despite my pleas for saliva. I eat a really restrictive diet, lots of veggies, fruits, legumes, seeds, nuts, some grains like brown/wild rice..maybe couscous and quinoa but very rarely and game (venison)..rarely. I'm careful about what I put on my face also. I'm breaking out more, and I'm recently eating much better..I'm not about to get my period. I'm worried I'm taking far too many supplements. I take several antioxidants, liver supports..
I take..
Vitamin A, D3
Raw VItamin E, K, Selenium also includes some A and D.
NAC, CDG, Silymarin which is Milkthistle, also containsDandelion, and Artichoke
Zinc Picolinate
Quercitin
Magnesium Glycinate
Vegan Omega 3 DHA, EPA
Green Tea Extract
Ashwagandha
Niacin (B3)--The kind that flushes
Cinnamon
MSM powder
Maca root powder..but not regularly
I'm probably forgetting something..I've recently quit taking Vitex (Chasteberry), Super B complex, and I did initially quit taking DIM, but I started to get a nasty cyst on my chin so out of fear I started taking it again. My face was getting really oily so, I thought that the hormone adjusting supplements were negatively affecting me. I've just added the A, D3, Zinc, Magnesium, Cinnamon, MSM and CDG. I'm exhausted..I'm scared to drop any supplements..it's becoming more and more expensive. I also drink green tea with spearmint and peppermint..I don't like tea, but I've heard it's good for balancing anoily face and it's got antioxidants.. So, I'm wondering..am I over doing it? Should I quit the DIM? I also have Wild Yam pills which boost progesterone, but again, I don't want to take that until I find a doctor who will properly test my levels. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
You are overdoing it. NO amount of liver support is going to help you if you are taking so many supplements. I would first remove maca, green tea, and ashwagadha, and then slowly remove more depending on how you feel. Your body is probably overloaded right now, so no wonder you are breaking out. Some of the supplements you are taking have been known to cause acne in many females, like maca and green tea.
