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I feel like when people get their first pimple & start trying all these products because they're freaked out it just makes acne worse.
In other words If I could go back to my first pimple (I remember like it was yesterday, I was in the car looked in the mirror & was shocked) but anyway if I could go back I would never of bought any products, I would of just used water & moisturize that's it.
Maybe acne products put something into your skin that makes you to continue to have acne & forces you to buy more products which then in return gives the government a lot of money, think about it acne is a billion dollar industry.
Wouldn't surprise me, I know tons of people who only wash their face with water & have clear skin..
Maybe I should go to bed lol
I went without products and tried to be all natural for over a year. I developed the most severe cystic acne of my life. Now that I'm back using products and medications again, my skin is slowly healing.
I did the same, stopped using any medication, creams, diets, and habits that people say it will help with my acne and now my face isnt clear but is better.
I went without products and tried to be all natural for over a year. I developed the most severe cystic acne of my life. Now that I'm back using products and medications again, my skin is slowly healing.
I did the same, stopped using any medication, creams, diets, and habits that people say it will help with my acne and now my face isn´t clear but is better.
That's not the same, it's the opposite. lol 
Glad it worked for you, though. I would definitely be happier if I could be clear without medication, but life is too short to suffer endlessly when there is a solution.
I went without products and tried to be all natural for over a year. I developed the most severe cystic acne of my life. Now that I'm back using products and medications again, my skin is slowly healing.
I did the same, stopped using any medication, creams, diets, and habits that people say it will help with my acne and now my face isn´t clear but is better.
That's not the same, it's the opposite. lol
Glad it worked for you, though. I would definitely be happier if I could be clear without medication, but life is too short to suffer endlessly when there is a solution.
Well, yeah the solution(accutane) just gave me IBS and now I have to take pills for my stomach so I need to take medication but not for my acne... btw im 22
I'm sorry. 
I was never willing to try accutane. Back when I had a derm, they told me that people with a history of mental disorders and depression (ME) shouldn't take it, so I never did. Then I heard a lot about side effects and was glad I didn't. Still, a lot of people on here are taking it with excellent results, so I don't know. I'm not as against it as I used to be, but I'd never risk taking it myself.
I would definitely be happier if I could be clear without medication, but life is too short to suffer endlessly when there is a solution.
What meds are you taking exactly? Like...antibiotic meds? Birth control?
Oh no, nothing like that. I mean skin medication. I'm doing the regimen again.
I would definitely be happier if I could be clear without medication, but life is too short to suffer endlessly when there is a solution.
What meds are you taking exactly? Like...antibiotic meds? Birth control?
Oh no, nothing like that. I mean skin medication. I'm doing the regimen again.
Hope it works out for you, honestly. Even though i'm not a fan of meds in general
As to the original post, i know my acne would have been so much easier if i wouldn't have started slathering shit all over it at the first sign of a pimple. I watched my brother do it growing up, so naturally thought i needed to do it. I was definitely broken inside though thanks to diet. Basically i'd do things so much differently if i could go back in time.
Thanks. It's the best I got, for now. I think using it so much in the past has made me dependent on it forever, honestly. But it does work. When I started using it again, it was like my skin cried with relief. It was crazy, having that after so long of denying it to myself. I'm just going to get myself on as low a dose as I can and take care of my skin with argan oil and healthy eating and hope for the best. 
I always feel like my acne was originally caused my a wheat sensitivity and consumption of way too much milk. School lunches, you know. And then when the first few spots appeared, I think I made it so much worse with topicals, antibiotics.....ugh. I wish I could have my teenage acne skin back, cuz this just sucks in comparison....hundreds of closed pores...
But I don't think it's conspiracy. I think it's a failure of the medical community to realize the importance of diet in disease, ANY disease, acne included. I mean, all you have to do is put 1 and 2 together to realize better approaches. 1: Acne is a modern disease, 2: We have diverged from our evolutionary origins in terms of environment (of which food is a part of). Of course, after years of messing with gene expression via BP and salicylic acid, overwashing, etc, it isn't so simple to fix....
I always feel like my acne was originally caused my a wheat sensitivity and consumption of way too much milk. School lunches, you know. And then when the first few spots appeared, I think I made it so much worse with topicals, antibiotics.....ugh. I wish I could have my teenage acne skin back, cuz this just sucks in comparison....hundreds of closed pores...
But I don't think it's conspiracy. I think it's a failure of the medical community to realize the importance of diet in disease, ANY disease, acne included. I mean, all you have to do is put 1 and 2 together to realize better approaches. 1: Acne is a modern disease, 2: We have diverged from our evolutionary origins in terms of environment (of which food is a part of). Of course, after years of messing with gene expression via BP and salicylic acid, overwashing, etc, it isn't so simple to fix....
Diet for some people yes. I went on a diet once and my acne only got worse I guess because I wasn't getting the right vitamins & nutrients. Now I eat anything sugar cookies, pancakes, fish sticks, ramen noodles anything but milk & chocolate. I cut those out before I had acne. Anyway I'm surprised that with today's technology & medical research there's not a cure for acne. I mean why isn't there something like a shot we can inject into our body that will stop acne. I know its easier said than done but someone could make ALOT of money if they invented such a thing.
I mean why isn't there something like a shot we can inject into our body that will stop acne. I know its easier said than done but someone could make ALOT of money if they invented such a thing.
Companies make much more money fighting something than curing it. Curing it is a once and you're done thing. Whereas a constant battle requires constant purchases from your suffering customers. So even if the pharmaceutical companies were to develop some miracle cure for all acne (not going to happen), it's likely they wouldn't release it to the public. They are interested in one thing. Money.
Would you rather win the lottery, or have a steady and large income for life?
How's that for conspiracy? Only, the more you learn about Big Pharma (an actual thing, or monopoly if you will) and who they are made up of, and what they've done and not done over the years... you start to realize that this is pretty much in line with how they operate
I don't think its a PURPOSEFUL conspiracy in terms of a group of shady people sitting around and plotting how to make money by giving us more acne. Instead, i think that with all the other illnesses going on in the world, the money for acne research is just not a priority. Add to that the fact that the human body is one of the MOST elusive things, well, it is virtually impossible to find 1 thing that works for all. Case in point, i am on accutane and still have acne (4 weeks left, can't wait to be off this mutha). My diet is in essence paleo and i still have acne. I've also tried other things to no avail. Needless to say, one size (even diet) does NOT fit all.
With that said, i do think many of us made things worse by doing MANY acne products and not knowing the consequence (i know i did) but i think that for many of us, leaving it alone would not have helped any and many have the facial scars and marks to prove it.
I also think that a lot of our health regulations, which are supposed to help people, actually hinder it. When you get so concerned about safety it makes it harder to prescribe things that aren't in the mainstream. There is pretty much only one doctor in my state that will prescribe spiro, which was my "miracle acne cure." Why wouldn't the others prescribe it? Because it was off-label (there are laws about off-label prescribing). Because they weren't experienced in it. Because they were afraid of getting sued.
Also medicine follows trends, just like everything else. All the docs used to prescribe sulfur/sulfacetamide and topical clindamyacin. Now you can hardly find a topical that's not a benzoyl peroxide mix or a retinoid. They've actually stopped producing the sulfur/sulfacetamide everywhere because no one was prescribing it, and when I asked about an antibiotic-only topical, one doc told me they "don't do that anymore." In 10 years, the scene will be different.
Other problem is we've made doctors/pharmacists into an elite class. It's damn bankrupting to attend med school. I know a guy who is 55 and went to pharmacy school for $1,000 a semester. Now even the cheap schools, we're talking $100,000 a year. That's way past the rate of inflation. As a society we've made education a great Golden Cow and given them all sorts of perks and funding, and to be frank, they've robbed us blind. Right now what happens is in our "compassion" we say, yeah, education is important, please tax my own paycheck to build more schools, and all the schools do is raise the salaries and benefits of their employees and then raise tuition on incoming students. (This is also a trend in undergrad colleges. Every time the Pell Grant amount increased, tuition would increase by approximately the amount of the Pell Grant.) I would love to see state funding and such stripped from med schools and universities because then they would have to operate closer to actual cost like they used to. Make them operate like a business. If their tuition isn't competitive they can't stay in business. More people could become doctors and pharmacists, and a lot of these bad things would level out because it wouldn't be such an elite class.
Eh I think the problem is that they do operate like businesses, that some are profit oriented and thus they don't allocate all of their funding and income to necessary areas. This is one reason why many private school professors and teachers are paid less than public school counterparts, and thus are actually lower quality. You also have to remember that people don't just go to college based on lowest tuition prices. That's what I did, but many people go based on perceived quality, whether real or not. Private colleges use this perceived quality to attract students willing to pay a high price for what is essentially the same education they can find at a good public institution. Take fore example a comparison between Harvard Med School - ranked 14 in the US with a tuition of 49k, and UMass Med School - ranked 9 with a tuition of 8k. The latter is public while the former is private. Being publicly funded allows UMass to drive down tuition, and removes the profit incentive. Although I agree it does also remove the market incentive to reduce tuition, there are other incentives to reduce tuition other than direct competition with other schools.
Of course, schools are still way too expensive - for some people. I am able to go to school for essentially nothing because I received grants and the such. Other students must pay a lot more. So what I see is an imbalanced reward system, with schools taking money from those who will benefit the college the least (by doing well, students bring good publicity to the school), and giving the money to those who will benefit them the most. There's also the issue of staff who may be overpaid in some cases (but I think these cases are somewhat rare) and money going to unnecessary places (8 million on sports? cmon).
More on topic, there's also the problem of people just being unhealthy. There are a bunch of causes behind high medical costs, but it isn't overpaid doctors we have to worry about - it's the sheer number of people who need doctor's visits. And it isn't any fault of their own. I'm one of them. Our understanding of human nutrition is so much less developed than we think it is. Doctors and scientists tell everyone what's good and what's bad without understand the nuance of the problem. Look at acne. We still don't understand what causes it, because we're looking in the wrong places. Look at heart disease, where we decide that the plaques are a cause and not a symptom of excessive oxidation paired with blood sugar spikes and arterial wall degradation. Look at dandruff, another chronic disease that some people 'just get' for their entire lives, that we assume is caused by a fungus. Acid reflux, we think it's caused by too much acid, when it's more likely that it is caused by too little. Scientists like looking at detail but often miss the big picture.
Anyways, I think what Sasch83 said is pretty much right on. Purposeful conspiracy would be hard to hide. It's hard to get money to research something as a scientist, so you have to make it very achievable by building only on the work of others. This is why science is so slow. But maybe they'll get there someday.
Eh I think the problem is that they do operate like businesses, that some are profit oriented and thus they don't allocate all of their funding and income to necessary areas. This is one reason why many private school professors and teachers are paid less than public school counterparts, and thus are actually lower quality. You also have to remember that people don't just go to college based on lowest tuition prices. That's what I did, but many people go based on perceived quality, whether real or not. Private colleges use this perceived quality to attract students willing to pay a high price for what is essentially the same education they can find at a good public institution. Take fore example a comparison between Harvard Med School - ranked 14 in the US with a tuition of 49k, and UMass Med School - ranked 9 with a tuition of 8k. The latter is public while the former is private. Being publicly funded allows UMass to drive down tuition, and removes the profit incentive. Although I agree it does also remove the market incentive to reduce tuition, there are other incentives to reduce tuition other than direct competition with other schools.
Of course, schools are still way too expensive - for some people. I am able to go to school for essentially nothing because I received grants and the such. Other students must pay a lot more. So what I see is an imbalanced reward system, with schools taking money from those who will benefit the college the least (by doing well, students bring good publicity to the school), and giving the money to those who will benefit them the most. There's also the issue of staff who may be overpaid in some cases (but I think these cases are somewhat rare) and money going to unnecessary places (8 million on sports? cmon).
More on topic, there's also the problem of people just being unhealthy. There are a bunch of causes behind high medical costs, but it isn't overpaid doctors we have to worry about - it's the sheer number of people who need doctor's visits. And it isn't any fault of their own. I'm one of them. Our understanding of human nutrition is so much less developed than we think it is. Doctors and scientists tell everyone what's good and what's bad without understand the nuance of the problem. Look at acne. We still don't understand what causes it, because we're looking in the wrong places. Look at heart disease, where we decide that the plaques are a cause and not a symptom of excessive oxidation paired with blood sugar spikes and arterial wall degradation. Look at dandruff, another chronic disease that some people 'just get' for their entire lives, that we assume is caused by a fungus. Acid reflux, we think it's caused by too much acid, when it's more likely that it is caused by too little. Scientists like looking at detail but often miss the big picture.
Anyways, I think what Sasch83 said is pretty much right on. Purposeful conspiracy would be hard to hide. It's hard to get money to research something as a scientist, so you have to make it very achievable by building only on the work of others. This is why science is so slow. But maybe they'll get there someday.
Federal/state funding IS the problem. Taxes that go to state med schools essentially come out of your paycheck and your parents' paycheck and your neighbor's paycheck for your whole lives. The cost of State Med School and Harvard are about the same. The only difference is State Med School can have a tuition cost of $50,000 a year and Harvard Med can have a cost of $100,000 a year because State Med School is already getting tax funding that Harvard doesn't. The cost is about the same, you just don't SEE the cost of State Med School because it's been drained out of society's taxes before it ever hits your bank account. It's $50,000 of your cash up front and $50,000 of cash that's been drained from you and others over time. It's this sort of "invisible" funding that distorts the perception of state educational cost.
So now you have this problem of, you've been paying via taxes for this med school, but what if you want to go to Harvard Med School instead of the state school? Hey...what if your talent isn't in medicine but in music composition and you want to go to an art school? Well, gee, too bad, no nice tax perks for that, so you get to take out loans to go to Julliard while your taxes pay for someone else to go to med school. There is no choice in the matter. That's not really fair now, is it?
That said, we all know life isn't fair, but frankly, the more we try to FORCE it to be fair the less fair it gets. Like I said, one of my mentors went to pharmacy school for $1,000 a semester. That was a bit of money in his time, but not nearly as much as $100,000 a year is now. Were some people unable to pay cash for pharmacy school tuition in his time? Sure. But not nearly as many people who can't afford tuition now that we've distorted the picture with tons of state funding only going to specific schools and specific careers. A free market system isn't perfectly fair, but it's a sight more fair than the picture we've got now, where tuition rates are skyrocketing, professions are highly regulated (you now have to have a degree and license for everything--even cutting hair for god's sake), and some get school for free while others don't get ANYTHING at all despite being highly qualified.
I also think that a lot of our health regulations, which are supposed to help people, actually hinder it. When you get so concerned about safety it makes it harder to prescribe things that aren't in the mainstream. There is pretty much only one doctor in my state that will prescribe spiro, which was my "miracle acne cure." Why wouldn't the others prescribe it? Because it was off-label (there are laws about off-label prescribing). Because they weren't experienced in it. Because they were afraid of getting sued.
Also medicine follows trends, just like everything else. All the docs used to prescribe sulfur/sulfacetamide and topical clindamyacin. Now you can hardly find a topical that's not a benzoyl peroxide mix or a retinoid. They've actually stopped producing the sulfur/sulfacetamide everywhere because no one was prescribing it, and when I asked about an antibiotic-only topical, one doc told me they "don't do that anymore." In 10 years, the scene will be different.
Other problem is we've made doctors/pharmacists into an elite class. It's damn bankrupting to attend med school. I know a guy who is 55 and went to pharmacy school for $1,000 a semester. Now even the cheap schools, we're talking $100,000 a year. That's way past the rate of inflation. As a society we've made education a great Golden Cow and given them all sorts of perks and funding, and to be frank, they've robbed us blind. Right now what happens is in our "compassion" we say, yeah, education is important, please tax my own paycheck to build more schools, and all the schools do is raise the salaries and benefits of their employees and then raise tuition on incoming students. (This is also a trend in undergrad colleges. Every time the Pell Grant amount increased, tuition would increase by approximately the amount of the Pell Grant.) I would love to see state funding and such stripped from med schools and universities because then they would have to operate closer to actual cost like they used to. Make them operate like a business. If their tuition isn't competitive they can't stay in business. More people could become doctors and pharmacists, and a lot of these bad things would level out because it wouldn't be such an elite class.
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