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1 hour ago, Monsoon said:@JaysonC
Everyone is here on this forum for advice, knowledge, sharing stories of success / failure.
I can of assume you had doctors that said you will get 90% improvements and you didn't. I guess for you treatment is only worth paying for if it is 60+% improvement?
It makes people that are looking for some kind of improvement, any at all,doubt the treatments and not even try. For some people any improvement will bebetter than nothing.
Inform others about treatment and what to expect. The way you say things makes it seem like you are saying don't get treatment it's not worth it because you won't get 90% improvement.
Don't know why all of you are so focused on money. Money you can make, lost life time while recovering from aggressive laser treatments at home is irreversibly lost. I am saying that laser doctors lie that you can get 90%or 60% improvement, show you photos in different lightingand 4 weeks post op as you still have mircoswelling. It is not realistic.
Please reread my comments. I always say that improvement is possible, some can achieve cummulativly even moderate improvement from lasers. I am cautioning people to have realistic expectations and to know that they will most probably suffer side effects for months. Doctors don't tell you this but it turns out to be true. There isnt a single person who had co2 ablative who hasnt complained about prolonged side effects, even the fair-skinned people. In this regard I I inform people what to expect, and to do the treatments with eyes wide open.
I am aware that people don't like it but then you want doctors to be honest with you and to send you away if they can't help you and not make you go through the pain and the costs if the treatment won't work but when I as a scar sufferer tell you the same, I am being negative?
I am only sharing my experience and opinon as I am allowed to do on a public forum.
Never said don't do lasers. My key statement has always been - Lasers bring slightimprovement and side effects are almost certain so be aware of it! And most people get disappointed from lasers. Buteveryone decides for themselves.
Ps If you think that the girl from dr H. photos got this result, you are gravely mistaken!
It is very convenient for the laser doctors to say oh they are negative the didnt see results because they are poor healers, and this argument would work, if only anyone of them was able to show legitimate photos of the good healers (similar lighting and at least 6 months between treatments to eliminate microswelling effect). And for the record I have never had ablative laser but read a lot and know that fractional lasers full face do only little for severe scars, some smoothing out and flattening.
Tangential lasering of the edges is more promising in my opinon. That way you also avoid the nasty side effects on the whole face. Problem is not many doctors can do it.
On 8/27/2021 at 2:14 AM, JaysonC said:IWho isn't stuck with their scars, Amanda? Please show me. It is not about money at all. It is about living your life enjoying your life without having to do aggressive treatments which will not do much or will only bring slight to at best moderate improvement. If you are willing to sacrifice 6 months of your life for marginal improvement I am not. I am way beyond the point now where laser doctors can sell me the false hopes of 90% or even 60% improvement from aggressive lasers. Maybe some newbie will fall for it and be disappointed in the end. After 3 years of researching treatments and getting treatments myself this much I know. Maybe I am wrong. Feel free to prove me wrong, I have said this before, but you cannot show any good results from lasers, can you? Unlike you for me the trade off - one or two improved scars for more scars and hyperpigmentation - is not an option. Do you even have sever scars or are you just having a few scars here and there and are striving for perfect skin?
Scars affect everyone differently so why would you generalize about something like this? Some people would gladly sacrifice time and money for marginal improvement. I have.
If you bought into the idea that lasers will yield 60-90% improvement, the doctor conned you and you are not that bright. My doctor said the average laser treatment would improve scars by 10-15%. Is this not reasonable? I got both PIH and PIE. PIE is much worse than PIH but I knew the risks when I did it the second and third time. But wearing masks helped and having a schedule which allows me to work at home part-time helped. PIE will affect some people in a worse way so I don't recommend it to everyone.Almost always, I make note of the risks and side effects of lasers as well as the number of doctors who can't adequately perform successful laser treatments.
You can't show that a man landed on the moon or that Jesus is real, can you? Wack job.
Read through this forum and you will see that people, including myself, have gotten positive results from laser treatments. Just because we don't post pictures doesn't mean they didn't happen. I understand that it's hard for people to believe us but we're no different than the internet. You can read anything on the internet and it could be false. People make their own judgement based on everything around them, not just by one statement which could be a lie. But I don't lie.
The tradeoff for you isn't worth it, but is it worth it for other people? That's for them to decide. I've gotten to a point where I probably won't do it again because of the recovery time (PIE mainly) and the risk of additional scarring, but I'm really glad I got the treatments done in the past because some of my scars did improve.
Nobody expects perfect skin. You are making stuff up and twisting people's thoughts to make yourself look right.We already know that the success rate for any treatment isn't that high, but they do work for SOME people and that the risks are accepted by SOME people.
Why don't you just say every treatment sucks and just leave the forum?
3 hours ago, Amanda Hall said:I got both PIH and PIE. PIE is much worse than PIH but I knew the risks when I did it the second and third time. But wearing masks helped and having a schedule which allows me to work at home part-time helped. PIE will affect some people in a worse way so I don't recommend it to everyone.
you ended up with PIH and PIE from the laser?
4 hours ago, Amanda Hall said:Scars affect everyone differently so why would you generalize about something like this? Some people would gladly sacrifice time and money for marginal improvement. I have.
If you bought into the idea that lasers will yield 60-90% improvement, the doctor conned you and you are not that bright. My doctor said the average laser treatment would improve scars by 10-15%. Is this not reasonable? I got both PIH and PIE. PIE is much worse than PIH but I knew the risks when I did it the second and third time. But wearing masks helped and having a schedule which allows me to work at home part-time helped. PIE will affect some people in a worse way so I don't recommend it to everyone.Almost always, I make note of the risks and side effects of lasers as well as the number of doctors who can't adequately perform successful laser treatments.
You can't show that a man landed on the moon or that Jesus is real, can you? Wack job.
Read through this forum and you will see that people, including myself, have gotten positive results from laser treatments. Just because we don't post pictures doesn't mean they didn't happen. I understand that it's hard for people to believe us but we're no different than the internet. You can read anything on the internet and it could be false. People make their own judgement based on everything around them, not just by one statement which could be a lie. But I don't lie.
The tradeoff for you isn't worth it, but is it worth it for other people? That's for them to decide. I've gotten to a point where I probably won't do it again because of the recovery time (PIE mainly) and the risk of additional scarring, but I'm really glad I got the treatments done in the past because some of my scars did improve.
Nobody expects perfect skin. You are making stuff up and twisting people's thoughts to make yourself look right.We already know that the success rate for any treatment isn't that high, but they do work for SOME people and that the risks are accepted by SOME people.
Why don't you just say every treatment sucks and just leave the forum?
Thank you for proving my point.
Wish you well and may you all improve your scars.
I am certain I will further improve mine.
I bet a year from now you will still be hanging around here telling people how you got PIE, PIH and new scars, one generally can expect only 10%-15% from aggressive lasers but lasers are the best treatment.
50 minutes ago, JaysonC said:Thank you for proving my point.
Wish you well and may you all improve your scars.
I am certain I will further improve mine.
I bet a year from now you will still be hanging around here telling people how you got PIE, PIH and new scars, one generally can expect only 10%-15% from aggressive lasers but lasers are the best treatment.
You are just the nextcry baby with not so severe scarring at all.You have said so yourself in your posts. Having nothing better to do than spend time on a scar forum. Well, enjoy!
Likewise - you are wasting just as much time on this forum. The difference is that I've helped more people than you. Nobody wants to be with a downer like you in life.
56 minutes ago, JaysonC said:Thank you for proving my point.
Wish you well and may you all improve your scars.
I am certain I will further improve mine.
I bet a year from now you will still be hanging around here telling people how you got PIE, PIH and new scars, one generally can expect only 10%-15% from aggressive lasers but lasers are the best treatment.
By the way, why don't you stay in your country and get treatments there? I don't understand why you are seeking to get treatment from Dr. Rullan who I recommended to people? Does that mean you kinda agree with me somehow?
The point is thatyou think everyone's lasers results are like yours when in fact it could be that your country has a higher percentage of crappy doctors. Ohh, but you are seemingly an expert because you go on this forum. I'm definitely not an expert but I know I've gotten more treatments than you and I speak from experience.
I have to repeat myself because people don't read the previous threads I participate in.
YES, the US has more accessibility to resources than your part of the world which probably sucks so that's why people like you have to spend money to travel here to get treatment.
People like you think you understand how people feel emotionally when it comes to scars. You DON'T. Quit pretending to be a therapist. Some people don't have scars as bad as yours but are affected as much or worse. Let them handle their own business. Just provide suggestions and treatments and GTFO this forum.
10 minutes ago, Amanda Hall said:By the way, why don't you stay in your country and get treatments there? I don't understand why you are seeking to get treatment from Dr. Rullan who I recommended to people? Does that mean you kinda agree with me somehow?
The point is that you think everyone's lasers results are like yours when in fact it could be that your country has a higher percentage of crappy doctors. Ohh, but you are seemingly an expert because you go on this forum. I'm definitely not an expert but I know I've gotten more treatments than you and I speak from experience.
I have to repeat myself because people don't read the previous threads I participate in.
YES, the US has more accessibility to resources than your part of the world which probably sucks so that's why people like you have to spend money to travel here to get treatment.
People like you think you understand how people feel emotionally when it comes to scars. You DON'T. Quit pretending to be a therapist. Some people don't have scars as bad as yours but are affected as much or worse. Let them handle their own business. Just provide suggestions and treatments and GTFO this forum.
Australia.
I have never had a laser treatment. Smart people learn from other people's mistakes. Don't do them themselves. 
I will see Dr Rullan because he is the most experienced and honest dermatologist. Dr Rullan doesn't believe in lasers, btw!
2 minutes ago, JaysonC said:Australia.
I have never had a laser treatment. Smart people learn from other people's mistakes. Don't do them themselves.
I will see Dr Rullan because he is the most experienced and honest dermatologist. Dr Rullan doesn't believe in lasers, btw!
I already know that, mate. You guys don't have the best doctors in the world. It's kinda known.
Ohhhh, lasers are so bad and I've never gotten a treatment. You are a phony and I'm glad I get to expose you a little like you try to expose other doctors.
Dr. Rullan doesn't buy into the laser hype but he does Erbium laser treatments. Don't be ignorant. You spew all of this "knowledge" but you don't even everything he does.
41 minutes ago, Amanda Hall said:I already know that, mate. You guys don't have the best doctors in the world. It's kinda known.
Ohhhh, lasers are so bad and I've never gotten a treatment. You are a phony and I'm glad I get to expose you a little like you try to expose other doctors.
Dr. Rullan doesn't buy into the laser hype but he does Erbium laser treatments. Don't be ignorant. You spew all of this "knowledge" but you don't even everything he does.
Whatever, mate.
Crappy was the doctor who gave you new scars and PIH, and PIE with minimal improvement.
One year from now, five years from now you will still be here debating over treatments, focusing on your minor scars. Enjoy!
For the record acitation from Rullan's paper.
"Carbon dioxide laser energy has water as its target, and after several passes, the tissue is desiccated and cannot be ablated more deeply no matter how many passes are done. This limits its effectiveness on deep scars and wrinkles. This limitation is compensated by combining carbon dioxide with erbium-YAG laser energy and is currently considered the gold standard. Dermabrasion is typically performed on tumesced skin in a bloody field, and separating normal versus scarred skin during dermabrasion requires a skilled operator.9 The lead authors dissatisfaction with carbon dioxide laser resurfacing even with dermabrasion, as Fulton10 has described, and the complication profile of the BG peel, prompted him to search further into the world of modified phenol peels. "
9 hours ago, JaysonC said:Whatever, mate.
Crappy was the doctor who gave you new scars and PIH, and PIE with minimal improvement.
One year from now, five years from now you will still be here debating over treatments, focusing on your minor scars. Enjoy!
For the record acitation from Rullan's paper.
"Carbon dioxide laser energy has water as its target, and after several passes, the tissue is desiccated and cannot be ablated more deeply no matter how many passes are done. This limits its effectiveness on deep scars and wrinkles. This limitation is compensated by combining carbon dioxide with erbium-YAG laser energy and is currently considered the gold standard. Dermabrasion is typically performed on tumesced skin in a bloody field, and separating normal versus scarred skin during dermabrasion requires a skilled operator.9 The lead authors dissatisfaction with carbon dioxide laser resurfacing even with dermabrasion, as Fulton10 has described, and the complication profile of the BG peel, prompted him to search further into the world of modified phenol peels. "
Nobody should read your posts anymore since you pretty much lie. I got good improvement with my first treatment which is why I opted to do two more rounds. Some of my scars improved to the point where I didn't have to treat them anymore. This is why I push the option of laser treatments to people who have scars that other treatments may not help.
I ALREADY KNOW what Rullan thinks. I'm a PATIENT of his. He's a great doctor but he isn't an expert on every treatment. I try to be fair and objective while praising his specialties. But you don't know that because you choose what you want to hear.
I hope your plane ticket is expensive and that you don't get the improvement that you want. I'd love for you to be disappointed by the results you get from Dr. Rullan.
Based on your personality, I'm not sure why you care about getting skin treatment at all. I doubt any ladies would want to get with you or people befriend you. Just accept what you have and move on.
35 minutes ago, Amanda Hall said:
I hope your plane ticket is expensive and that you don't get the improvement that you want. I'd love for you to be disappointed by the results you get from Dr. Rullan.
Says the person who is here to help people!!!
If I cared, I would find your first post where you say you didn't get significant improvement from lasers, but I don't. Or where you say your scars are minor.
So 3 aggressive lasers gave you such great results that you are still here and don't want to do any more lasers because of prolonged PIE? As I said, thanks for proving my point.
All I am interested in is to improve my scars.Please don't answer me any more. I will click ignore on you.
1 hour ago, Amanda Hall said:Nobody should read your posts anymore since you pretty much lie. I got good improvement with my first treatment which is why I opted to do two more rounds. Some of my scars improved to the point where I didn't have to treat them anymore. This is why I push the option of laser treatments to people who have scars that other treatments may not help.
I ALREADY KNOW what Rullan thinks. I'm a PATIENT of his. He's a great doctor but he isn't an expert on every treatment. I try to be fair and objective while praising his specialties. But you don't know that because you choose what you want to hear.
I hope your plane ticket is expensive and that you don't get the improvement that you want. I'd love for you to be disappointed by the results you get from Dr. Rullan.
Based on your personality, I'm not sure why you care about getting skin treatment at all. I doubt any ladies would want to get with you or people befriend you. Just accept what you have and move on.
Which laser did you use? I have my first co2 fractional ablative next week, I have already done infini and didnt see a huge amount.
if I dont get much result from fractional after 3 months I will try dr h fully ablative , I would rather not since it is many thousands and I am a student , so would have a big negative impact on my life to spend that much.
did fractional co2 ablative produce improvement? I think my scars are quite shallow because if I stretch skin it improves a lot, also they are relatively young (6months old), not fresh anymore but maybe not so cemented into skin.
Despite this they are still quite severe to look at
9 minutes ago, Ndwscar said:Which laser did you use? I have my first co2 fractional ablative next week, I have already done infini and didnt see a huge amount.
if I dont get much result from fractional after 3 months I will try dr h fully ablative , I would rather not since it is many thousands and I am a student , so would have a big negative impact on my life to spend that much.
did fractional co2 ablative produce improvement? I think my scars are quite shallow because if I stretch skin it improves a lot, also they are relatively young (6months old), not fresh anymore but maybe not so cemented into skin.
Despite this they are still quite severe to look at
It depend if it is deeply indented or if the scars are closer to surface then you dont need aggressive treatment.
22 hours ago, Amanda Hall said:PIE will affect some people in a worse way so I don't recommend it to everyone.Almost always, I make note of the risks and side effects of lasers as well as the number of doctors who can't adequately perform successful laser treatments.
How long did the redness last when you had the laser? My doctor told me two three weeks but also said that it can last way longer. It is the most common side effect according to her. I want to have a laser treatment done.
2 hours ago, JPK said:How long did the redness last when you had the laser? My doctor told me two three weeks but also said that it can last way longer. It is the most common side effect according to her. I want to have a laser treatment done.
3+ months. It depends on your skin type. Darker individuals are more prone to prolonged erythema.
On 8/27/2021 at 4:14 AM, JaysonC said:IWho isn't stuck with their scars, Amanda? Please show me. It is not about money at all. It is about living your life enjoying your life without having to do aggressive treatments which will not do much or will only bring slight to at best moderate improvement. If you are willing to sacrifice 6 months of your life for marginal improvement I am not. I am way beyond the point now where laser doctors can sell me the false hopes of 90% or even 60% improvement from aggressive lasers. Maybe some newbie will fall for it and be disappointed in the end. After 3 years of researching treatments and getting treatments myself this much I know. Maybe I am wrong. Feel free to prove me wrong, I have said this before, but you cannot show any good results from lasers, can you? Unlike you for me the trade off - one or two improved scars for more scars and hyperpigmentation - is not an option. Do you even have sever scars or are you just having a few scars here and there and are striving for perfect skin?
I will say again each one responds differently when someone is saying they are saying from their experience of the procedure. Amanda is right some scars will get better and some will remain same. It depends on how the doctor treats the scars. If a successful excision is performed I bet you wouldnt see anything like it Im terms of results.Have you ever seen ufc fights but post fights even with cuts and stitches they heal fine. Surgery is highly effective but doesnt make sense to do on widespread scarring unless when you see in mirror you only see those bad deep ones. A widespread scarring needs a widespread solution. I believe filller is the best defense in acne scarring but the problem is when we start our journey we have prominent edges with depth and fillers in this case wont work or a lot of texture issues. That is where scar revisionand removing textures come in when you removeall other imperfection than the only thing is lifting the volume depressions
2 hours ago, scarredforlife95 said:SO a lot of back and forth about laser, clearly some people had positive result from laser
Has ANYONE had a good result from RFMN?? I can't find a single post saying it helped, yet it is pushed as the number 1 treatment?
I've read that some people said it worked but that's probably a small percentage. It's ultimately up to your time and money. RFMN was too expensive for me to try again. It was $1k per treatment which is pretty reasonable in this area. Another doctor wanted to charge me $1,750 which included PRP.
If I got it 10 times, I'm sure I'd see some improvement.