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5 hours ago, LotsToLearn said:Just did a round of filler and then subcision with Dr Rullan today. Yeah, he suggested filler this time and did it before the subcision like @Acnescarssuck123said. I did ask his assistant about using filler as a spacer vs volumizer so that she could ask him but he forgot to answer.
I did make sure I asked him whether I can suction at home after this and he said I can. Only downside is that since you can no longer microneedle, I wonder how I can take care of texture at home in the meanwhile.
When I got my first treatment with him, I received juvaderm filler. Amy (the cosmetic consultant) said NOT to suction since the filler is there to prevent reattaching and in fact the suctioning could possibly displace the fillers.
11 hours ago, acknee4life said:When I got my first treatment with him, I received juvaderm filler. Amy (the cosmetic consultant) said NOT to suction since the filler is there to prevent reattaching and in fact the suctioning could possibly displace the fillers.
Interesting. Amy wasnt there when I went this time but Dr Rullan said its ok and I asked him 3-4x throughout the procedure to make sure.
4 hours ago, LotsToLearn said:Interesting. Amy wasnt there when I went this time but Dr Rullan said its ok and I asked him 3-4x throughout the procedure to make sure.
Yeah I'm not sure what's true. I asked Amy again recently after the 2nd time I went and she said the same thing. I forgot to ask rullan when I was there. I may call the front desk so I could directly contact rullan
What exactly did rullan say?
4 hours ago, acknee4life said:Yeah I'm not sure what's true. I asked Amy again recently after the 2nd time I went and she said the same thing. I forgot to ask rullan when I was there. I may call the front desk so I could directly contact rullan
What exactly did rullan say?
He said that filler is better but you can still use it together with suction. Ive started suctioning today already so Ill let you know my personal experience as well after a few days.
5 hours ago, Grlscoutcoochie said:I'm going to be honest. I've been getting years of treatment and I havent yet to see much improvement in my acne scars. I've gone through many procedures multiple times, including the phenol peel and I'm starting to feel scammed having spent over 10k. I was shown before and after pictures that were photoshopped and far more improved than my experience. I went in for filler and he put it in my cheeks that completely changed my face shape and did NOTHING for my scars. I want to believe hes not in it for the money, but I can only judge based on my own experience. I'm starting to think the whole acne scar industry is just fraud af. Erbium does nothing, I'm not sure if I seen any improvement from phenol cross either. It's sad because we go in basically trying to buy better mental health and it's just not even worth it.
What are your scars type. Are they rolling, deep/shallow boxcar, icepick etc. so the answer will be different based on that.
I personally also didnt see much improvement from cross for icepick or boxcars from rullan.A little bit of lifting but nothing major. Excision definitely gave me a huge improvement in scars. Also laser on the edges of boxcar. These gave me the biggest improvement.
but what I am, thinking the overall texture issues are still there I.e scarred pores, tiny icepicks,shallow boxcars. Was phenol able to take care of this scenario for you?
also you rememble same experience I had with rullan, I have poor rating of trio, I had 2 sessions with him. But I am not sure on the phenol peel, so far I am hearing it is good for texture and so forth I.e shallow boxcars, tiny icepick etc.
whats your take on this?
11 hours ago, Grlscoutcoochie said:I'm going to be honest. I've been getting years of treatment and I havent yet to see much improvement in my acne scars. I've gone through many procedures multiple times, including the phenol peel and I'm starting to feel scammed having spent over 10k. I was shown before and after pictures that were photoshopped and far more improved than my experience. I went in for filler and he put it in my cheeks that completely changed my face shape and did NOTHING for my scars. I want to believe hes not in it for the money, but I can only judge based on my own experience. I'm starting to think the whole acne scar industry is just fraud af. Erbium does nothing, I'm not sure if I seen any improvement from phenol cross either. It's sad because we go in basically trying to buy better mental health and it's just not even worth it.
I agree that most treatments don't work but there are some that do. There are lots of places looking to quickly make money off of you but we can't group them all in that category.
Rullan is good but he's not god. I still see him but I got more improvement from another doctor who performed my laser procedures. I trust when he says that Phenol Cross is safer than TCA Cross. I don't know if its much safer but it's not too inconvenient for me to go to his office so why not? He did jack up the price by a good amount so I wouldn't rule out greed. Every doctor wants to make money... but you can still be greedy and care about your patients.
Some people here have some improvement from Phenol Cross (as well as TCA Cross) so I'm still holding out some hope. I maybe saw a 10% improvement on one scar after several Cross treatments from him. Didn't see any changes on most of my scars for the first several treatments.
21 minutes ago, Amanda Hall said:I agree that most treatments don't work but there are some that do. There are lots of places looking to quickly make money off of you but we can't group them all in that category.
Rullan is good but he's not god. I still see him but I got more improvement from another doctor who performed my laser procedures. I trust when he says that Phenol Cross is safer than TCA Cross. I don't know if its much safer but it's not too inconvenient for me to go to his office so why not? He did jack up the price by a good amount so I wouldn't rule out greed. Every doctor wants to make money... but you can still be greedy and care about your patients.
Some people here have some improvement from Phenol Cross (as well as TCA Cross) so I'm still holding out some hope. I maybe saw a 10% improvement on one scar after several Cross treatments from him. Didn't see any changes on most of my scars for the first several treatments.
Ya I feel you and Im definitely not trying to tarnish his name because he did helpmy issue and many others even outside acne scar revision but I wouldnt have any other expectation other than what I was being advertised lol. So ya improvement is real, but not the way its being sold
7 hours ago, getsmart121 said:What are your scars type. Are they rolling, deep/shallow boxcar, icepick etc. so the answer will be different based on that.
I personally also didnt see much improvement from cross for icepick or boxcars from rullan.A little bit of lifting but nothing major. Excision definitely gave me a huge improvement in scars. Also laser on the edges of boxcar. These gave me the biggest improvement.
but what I am, thinking the overall texture issues are still there I.e scarred pores, tiny icepicks,shallow boxcars. Was phenol able to take care of this scenario for you?
also you rememble same experience I had with rullan, I have poor rating of trio, I had 2 sessions with him. But I am not sure on the phenol peel, so far I am hearing it is good for texture and so forth I.e shallow boxcars, tiny icepick etc.
whats your take on this?
The phenol peel does help with texture but nothing near as the pictures they will show you especially if your texture is from actual ice pick or boxcar scars than it does pretty much nothing.I sound harsh Bc during my treatment plan, the phenol peel was advertised to me like the end goal. I was never told it still takes 6-12 months to see anyyyy improvement, or how it wont look like the pictures on the website.I was actually never told that their pictures are from patients who underwent multiple procedures even doing the peel twice after the peel.I had to learn that jus scrolling the internet. I have mainly boxcar and ice pick and havent yet been recommended excision. Thats why I sometimes think they dont have my best intentionBc I keep getting offered cross and erbium which is so superficial.
I just hate how during consultations its just this fake presentation and information to get you to move forward with procedures. They literally gas you up and its just highly unrealistic. Just keep it REAL
Im sorry this is a long response lol Im actually ranting but I dont even blame rullan more than the consultants Bc they are the ones making the pitch. I just always feel more like someone speaking to a salesperson then a patient seeking professional help is what Im trying to say
42 minutes ago, Amanda Hall said:I agree that most treatments don't work but there are some that do. There are lots of places looking to quickly make money off of you but we can't group them all in that category.
Rullan is good but he's not god. I still see him but I got more improvement from another doctor who performed my laser procedures. I trust when he says that Phenol Cross is safer than TCA Cross. I don't know if its much safer but it's not too inconvenient for me to go to his office so why not? He did jack up the price by a good amount so I wouldn't rule out greed. Every doctor wants to make money... but you can still be greedy and care about your patients.
Some people here have some improvement from Phenol Cross (as well as TCA Cross) so I'm still holding out some hope. I maybe saw a 10% improvement on one scar after several Cross treatments from him. Didn't see any changes on most of my scars for the first several treatments.
Ya its not inconvenient for you to go and yes I do believe him that phenol cross is more safer and overall better than TCA but its about if its effective not whether its convenient. The money I spent in procedures I couldve saved for my future, gave to my family let alone the effects on mental health chasing an unrealistic expectation I had to learn thru experience not from a professionals mouth. Its also embarrassing for ppl to see the effort, time, and money you put into an insecurity and see minimal return.
2 hours ago, Grlscoutcoochie said:I was actually never told that their pictures are from patients who underwent multiple procedures even doing the peel twice after the peel
He mentioned there is a patient that wants to do the phenol peel a third time on his IG: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTGR-YalXmw/ so I'm wondering how effective it really is.
2 hours ago, Grlscoutcoochie said:Ya I feel you and Im definitely not trying to tarnish his name because he did helpmy issue and many others even outside acne scar revision but I wouldnt have any other expectation other than what I was being advertised lol. So ya improvement is real, but not the way its being sold
The phenol peel does help with texture but nothing near as the pictures they will show you especially if your texture is from actual ice pick or boxcar scars than it does pretty much nothing.I sound harsh Bc during my treatment plan, the phenol peel was advertised to me like the end goal. I was never told it still takes 6-12 months to see anyyyy improvement, or how it wont look like the pictures on the website.I was actually never told that their pictures are from patients who underwent multiple procedures even doing the peel twice after the peel.I had to learn that jus scrolling the internet. I have mainly boxcar and ice pick and havent yet been recommended excision. Thats why I sometimes think they dont have my best intentionBc I keep getting offered cross and erbium which is so superficial.
I just hate how during consultations its just this fake presentation and information to get you to move forward with procedures. They literally gas you up and its just highly unrealistic. Just keep it REAL
I don't know anything about the peel except it's expensive as hell. I never got a consultation from them. I just spoke to the coordinator and told them what I wanted and got a quote. The cost definitely went up compared to 3-4 years ago but that's what demand does.
Every practice will tell you that the treatment will work or that it worked for their other patients. That's just how it goes, unfortunately. With Rullan, I'm never sure what to think when he offers members on this forum the triple threat package. It's like I know one of them probably won't work but three sounds better than two and one. I turned down one treatment before based on cost. I would have done it if it were much cheaper - that procedure would have taken literally 20 seconds.
Try something different if you feel you need more improvement. You can do multiple Cross treatments and see where those take you.
24 minutes ago, Grlscoutcoochie said:Idk like I have hella indents on my temple and Ive came in getting different fillers they suggested for it and it seems like they put it in areas that dont need it, and not where it is. They give me discounts also but at that point I really am just spending the money later in time and he never does my forehead for some reason even tho theres scarring also. Its like prolonging me to always come back
For me, he's pretty good at noticing my scars whereas another doctor missed them. For my first appointment, he dimmed the lights to see them but he didn't with the other appointments.
I wouldn't go back there to get filler. You can get them elsewhere for cheaper and possibly better. Filler isn't a specialty like Cross or subcision.
Wherever you go next, point out the scars even if you think you are bugging them. It's your money and time.
For your indents, maybe you can go to another dermatologist and do TCA Cross on one scar just to see if you get improvement. Hopefully the doctor can accommodate and charge you just for a test spot. With that, you can see if you get any shallowing or widening with the scar. Or get filler done somewhere else just to compare.
On 9/4/2021 at 2:23 AM, Grlscoutcoochie said:Idk like I have hella indents on my temple and Ive came in getting different fillers they suggested for it and it seems like they put it in areas that dont need it, and not where it is. They give me discounts also but at that point I really am just spending the money later in time and he never does my forehead for some reason even tho theres scarring also. Its like prolonging me to always come back
Its kind of funny, Amanda is right on this. Tca cross 30 percent actually helped compared to his phenol cross. Some got broader but shallower. I did it at home using paint brush. I am beginning to believe you dont need to goto derm for scar revision just go for overall like laser, phenol chemobrasion, excision,subcisionthat way you keep cost down. Onceu feel like you have done good scar revision then go for overall big treatment. I have come to conclusion that a treatment should be judged on how much ROI it gives for each session. Nothing matters the doctor, procedure. End of day it is visual improvement doesnt matter how complex the procedure sounds, or if it cost 1 billion dollars.
If they are deep, thenexcision is the route to consider but just do 1 or 2 first to see how well your body heals. And then you can do more. It looks worse without the laser due to hyperpigmention swelling and just sometimes healing poorly. I might have to look for pictures but not comfortable sharing it with anyone yet. Maybe one of these days will share.
Maybe your scars are moderate that is why no one recommended excision to you. You have to be your own advocate when dealing with scars. Take a blue marker and marker the scars that bother you the most. Then once marked look in the mirror and see if it makes overall difference except the markedscars. This means that your skin will look good ifthe excision were to be successful. If still your skin doesnt look nice overall, then excision might not be then best bet.