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12 hours ago, aestheticseeker said:You havent done taylor liberator on myself but I have and am currently undergoing healing of it... I just love how people talk about things they have not undergone themselves.
The reasoning those doctors dont offer this is simple:
1) canula subscisions are rarely 1 and done and more treatments = more $
weiner and lim have sold themselves to lutronic... these dudes are classic businessmen
2) TL is obviously riskier in terms of patient safety but with greater risk comes reward and i have said it before in regards to weiner for example not liking to be aggressive on patients whatsoever.
I highly suspect that weiner decided to go non surgical and do the basics a derm would do after literally studying plastics cause he probably sucked at what he was doing
Really? It costs more to do multiple subcisions instead of once-off? Dr Charakida in London changes 200 for a single round of subcision. H charges 1500 for it. 7 x more. We can clearly see who has his patients best interest at heart.
As for the argument the riskier, the better, I call it complete BS. It's only better for greedy individualswho want to make quick money with miminal work like H and co. Note that I can't call him a doctor because for me such people are just preyin on the vulnerable scar sufferers.
You are more than welcome go show your results with photos here, or better yet with a video. Until them your claims are like big foot, everybody has heard of it, no one has seen it.
I won't respond any more since I suspect you are a false account andhave vested interest in promoting TL subcision and fully ablative lasers.
13 hours ago, Sisi90 said:Really? It costs more to do multiple subcisions instead of once-off? Dr Charakida in London changes 200 for a single round of subcision. H charges 1500 for it. 7 x more. We can clearly see who has his patients best interest at heart.
As for the argument the riskier, the better, I call it complete BS. It's only better for greedy individualswho want to make quick money with miminal work like H and co. Note that I can't call him a doctor because for me such people are just preyin on the vulnerable scar sufferers.
You are more than welcome go show your results with photos here, or better yet with a video. Until them your claims are like big foot, everybody has heard of it, no one has seen it.
I won't respond any more since I suspect you are a false account andhave vested interest in promoting TL subcision and fully ablative lasers.
Im not in london but200 for canula subscision is a good price and canula does work to some extent so i guess thats some power to the broke people tryna get small improvements.
I personally just had taylor done on monday and im still crazy swollen but i definitely know areas were still tethered after many other subscisions due to areas suspected not raising during the injection of all the tumescent and the sounds of the taylor cutting in those areas
Dr. H has clearly tried defending himself to haters on this posts by inviting them to come to his clinic and talk to patients. And his before and afters do show improvement such as
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIidmXagjFb/
ARE YOU GOING TO SERIOUSLY LIE AND SAY THATS LAUGHABLE? Even if the lighting isnt 100 percent the same the improvement is clear. The patient does still have erythema from fully ablative but the doctor didnt say any follow up with PDL/IPL/BBL was done which is definitely necessary after doing that much ablation
2 hours ago, aestheticseeker said:Im not in london but200 for canula subscision is a good price and canula does work to some extent so i guess thats some power to the broke people tryna get small improvements.
I personally just had taylor done on monday and im still crazy swollen but i definitely know areas were still tethered after many other subscisions due to areas suspected not raising during the injection of all the tumescent and the sounds of the taylor cutting in those areas
Dr. H has clearly tried defending himself to haters on this posts by inviting them to come to his clinic and talk to patients. And his before and afters do show improvement such as
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIidmXagjFb/
ARE YOU GOING TO SERIOUSLY LIE AND SAY THATS LAUGHABLE? Even if the lighting isnt 100 percent the same the improvement is clear. The patient does still have erythema from fully ablative but the doctor didnt say any follow up with PDL/IPL/BBL was done which is definitely necessary after doing that much ablation
It gets even more suspicious but I'll answer the questions... I'll ignore the ugly comment about the broke people because it just shows what a person you are, nothing else and tell you about H.
H is simply delusional. I've had the misfortune to have a consultation with him and it was a time totally wasted, time I'll never get back. He would just talk on and on his BS and woudn't answer any questions you might have.
Instead of offering "the haters" to come to the clinic what he should do is post some proper before and afters so that people can see if it's worth it to travel to London in the first place. It's not so difficult. Dr Emil has some done 6 months apart where you can clearly see that there is improvement from his treatments, even though it is not that big.
H's photos are laughable because taken at 4 weeks after the laser, or even at 8 weeks after, they are utterly useless because of the swelling that usually takes longer to subside. Gold standard in aesthetic procedures is to access results at best at the 6th month's mark, ot at least at the 3rd month's mark mainly to avoid masking the scars due to microswelling and to allow collagen to build as this can take up to 6 months. But funny enough H doesn't have a single set of before afters spaced 6 months apart, which simply tells me he cannot back his claims of 60% improvement speaking about permanent.
Why should I go to his clinic? So that he can show me selected patients 4 weeks after the laser when they are still thinking their scars are gone still having microswelling? No, thanks.
The guy is delusional. I don't want to drop names but as I understand a popular poster on this forum had the ablative laser with him and suffered damage, she isn't active on this board any more, but recommends to stay away from this guy.
1 minute ago, Sisi90 said:It gets even more suspicious but I'll answer the questions... I'll ignore the ugly comment about the broke people because it just shows what a person you are, nothing else and tell you about H.
H is simply delusional. I've had the misfortune to have a consultation with him and it was a time totally wasted, time I'll never get back. He would just talk on and on his BS and woudn't answer any questions you might have.
Instead of offering "the haters" to come to the clinic what he should do is post some proper before and afters so that people can see if it's worth it to travel to London in the first place. It's not so difficult. Dr Emil has some done 6 months apart where you can clearly see that there is improvement from his treatments, even though it is not that big.
H's photos are laughable because taken at 4 weeks after the laser, or even at 8 weeks after, they are utterly useless because of the swelling that usually takes longer to subside. Gold standard in aesthetic procedures is to access results at best at the 6th month's mark, ot at least at the 3rd month's mark mainly to avoid masking the scars due to microswelling and to allow collagen to build as this can take up to 6 months. But funny enough H doesn't have a single set of before afters spaced 6 months apart, which simply tells me he cannot back his claims of 60% improvement.
Why should I go to his clinic? So that he can show me selected patients 4 weeks after the laser when they are still thinking their scars are gone still having microswelling? No, thanks.
The guy is delusional. I don't want to drop names but as I understand a popular poster on this forum had the ablative laser with him and suffered damage, she isn't active on this board any more, but recommends to stay away from this guy.
I have had extreme ablative lasers myself and definitely didnt have persistent swelling at 8 weeks. If an individual does they are definitely not healthy or have some abnormal healing pattern.
I'm not here recommending Dr.H as I am based in the US and would never travel to see him anyways.
2 minutes ago, aestheticseeker said:I have had extreme ablative lasers myself and definitely didnt have persistent swelling at 8 weeks. If an individual does they are definitely not healthy or have some abnormal healing pattern.
I'm not here recommending Dr.H as I am based in the US and would never travel to see him anyways.
You are not everybody else. It is known microswelling takes months to subside and it is a gold standard to assess results at the 6 month, anything earlier is not objective.Period.
Yes, doctors are not allowed to post on this board either.
6 minutes ago, Sisi90 said:You are not everybody else. It is known microswelling takes months to subside and it is a gold standard to assess results at the 6 month, anything earlier is not objective.Period.
Yes, doctors are not allowed to post on this board either.
3 months is the very minimum. Its clear that Dr.H hasnt been doing scar revision for a long time and buying such lasers like ultrapulse is insanely expensive... But hes clearly making his entry and tryna make it big especially as he does have some dudes like Lim making recs for him
I expect Dr.H to post long term results as he becomes more established and hopefully the quality of his work will improve with time as well
IN ADDITION: Shallow scars can literally be VAPORIZED in a laser sitting with enough microns and pulse stacking to the point that it remains a permanent result even after your so called micro swelling is gone
I HAVE PERSONALLY HAD: Fully ablative ERBIUM (not co2 so less heat) with scitons TRL down to 500 micron total on my cheeks after focused small spot size work on my superficial boxcar scars and saw immediate improvement that stayed with be way beyond the crazy swelling i initially had
HAVE YOU DONE FULLY ABLATIVE? Lim says himself you will never have a perfect end result without full ablation to smoothen things out in the end of the day and co2 will definitely do even more tightening than the erbium i did and cant wait to do that next down the line (with a proper high powered system like ultrapulse or eC02 from lutronic)
4 minutes ago, aestheticseeker said:3 months is the very minimum. Its clear that Dr.H hasnt been doing scar revision for a long time and buying such lasers like ultrapulse is insanely expensive... But hes clearly making his entry and tryna make it big especially as he does have some dudes like Lim making recs for him
I expect Dr.H to post long term results as he becomes more established and hopefully the quality of his work will improve with time as well
IN ADDITION: Shallow scars can literally be VAPORIZED in a laser sitting with enough microns and pulse stacking to the point that it remains a permanent result even after your so called micro swelling is gone
How much is H paying you for the advertisement on this board?? Should I report it to the admins that doctors are posting here using fake profiles?
Just now, Sisi90 said:How much is H paying you for the advertisement on this board?? Should I report it to the admins that doctors are posting here using fake profiles?
I can prove my identity no problem to prove otherwise
If i was advertising for dr.h i wouldnt have said hes clearly new at doing scar work or say that I would never visit him for treatment lol
3 minutes ago, Sisi90 said:As I said H is delusional!
Wont even comment on this as I really dont care to defend Dr.H specifically. I have personally undergone fully ablative as well as aggressive fractional ablative lasers as well as taylor on monday and while it is too early to tell the results of taylor I have definitely had improvements from aggressive ablation past microswelling stages
Everyone on the forum bad mouthing these techniques havent tried them themselves... Lets see how taylor comes out on me
25 minutes ago, aestheticseeker said:Wont even comment on this as I really dont care to defend Dr.H specifically. I have personally undergone fully ablative as well as aggressive fractional ablative lasers as well as taylor on monday and while it is too early to tell the results of taylor I have definitely had improvements from aggressive ablation past microswelling stages
Everyone on the forum bad mouthing these techniques havent tried them themselves... Lets see how taylor comes out on me
Literally with every post you advocate for H and his treatments but no you don't care to defend him at all, no.
People like H prey on the vulnerable scar sufferers, many of whom don't know the first thing about scars and have limited finances to get treatment.
In his own word,H treats 450 scar patients a year and yet he cannot post a single set of decent before and afters 6 months apart to show us permanent results. Despite the heavy marketingand his otherwise regular photo or videoposts! This says it all!
2 minutes ago, Sisi90 said:Literally with every post you advocate for H and his treatments but no you don't care to defend him at all, no.
People like H prey on the vulnerable scar sufferers, many of whom don't know the first thing about scars and have limited finances to get treatment.
In his own word,H treats 450 scar patients a year and yet he cannot post a single set of decent before and afters 6 months apart to show us permanent results. Despite the heavy marketingand his otherwise regular photo or videoposts! This says it all!
I think the 450 scar patients for year 2020 is a lie yes
I do not believe that hes preying on people with limited finances though as someone else just posted a dr in the uk doing canula sub for dirt cheap... dr.hs treatments arent inexpensive
as I said before lets keep watching dr.hs work and see if it gets better as its clear hes new to this field but clearly Davin lim is willing to give him some chance making recs for ppl in the area to go to him
11 minutes ago, aestheticseeker said:I think the 450 scar patients for year 2020 is a lie yes
I do not believe that hes preying on people with limited finances though as someone else just posted a dr in the uk doing canula sub for dirt cheap... dr.hs treatments arent inexpensive
as I said before lets keep watching dr.hs work and see if it gets better as its clear hes new to this field but clearly Davin lim is willing to give him some chance making recs for ppl in the area to go to him
You absolutely are preying on people. Charging thousands for unnessecary high risk procedures. Showing no results. Thenblaming it on the poor after care or the mental issues of the patients.
Dr Charakida is a published well respected dermatologist whojust as Dr Chu before her is charging "dirt cheap" for subcision because she really wants to help people.
Lim recommending you doesn't mean anything. You still cannot show any convincing perm results of your work. Besides, Lim is the same marketing guru. I would only trust Dr Emil or Dr Rullan with my skin, nobody else.
3 minutes ago, Sisi90 said:You absolutely are preying on people. Charging thousands for unnessecary high risk procedures. Showing no results. Thenblaming it on the poor after care or the mental issues of the patients.
Dr Charakida is a published well respected dermatologist whojust as Dr Chu before her is charging "dirt cheap" for subcision because she really wants to help people.
Lim recommending you doesn't mean anything. You still cannot show any convincing perm results of your work. Besides, Lim is the same marketing guru. I would only trust Dr Emil or Dr Rullan with my skin, nobody else.
LOL SAYING YOU AS IF IM DR.H
im dead I really am
5 hours ago, Sisi90 said:You absolutely are preying on people. Charging thousands for unnessecary high risk procedures. Showing no results. Thenblaming it on the poor after care or the mental issues of the patients.
Dr Charakida is a published well respected dermatologist whojust as Dr Chu before her is charging "dirt cheap" for subcision because she really wants to help people.
Lim recommending you doesn't mean anything. You still cannot show any convincing perm results of your work. Besides, Lim is the same marketing guru. I would only trust Dr Emil or Dr Rullan with my skin, nobody else.
Lim also recommends Dr. Emer and does work with him. That just shows that Lim, despite how many followers he has, doesn't have patients' best interests in mind. I don't know how anybody can justify paying for Emer's services when he charges an arm and a leg and does 50 treatments all at once.
@aestheticseeker what doctor are you seeing in US and what treatments have you had so far?
6 hours ago, Amanda Hall said:Lim also recommends Dr. Emer and does work with him. That just shows that Lim, despite how many followers he has, doesn't have patients' best interests in mind. I don't know how anybody can justify paying for Emer's services when he charges an arm and a leg and does 50 treatments all at once.
Emer is a joke lol
I just got word that the owner of this forum Dan had brief contact with DR.H but decided to start ignoring him for reasons that dont really make sense. Dr.H may not be the best at what he does but after talking to him via email and his offer to facetime me for free i do truly think hes a nice guy trying to help people as much as he can
47 minutes ago, keving100 said:@aestheticseeker what doctor are you seeing in US and what treatments have you had so far?
Question is should I really start naming doctors who I think are good? I have stated I have never seen DR.H and never will and yet people are convinced that I am Dr.H
27 minutes ago, aestheticseeker said:Emer is a joke lol
I just got word that the owner of this forum Dan had brief contact with DR.H but decided to start ignoring him for reasons that dont really make sense. Dr.H may not be the best at what he does but after talking to him via email and his offer to facetime me for free i do truly think hes a nice guy trying to help people as much as he can
Question is should I really start naming doctors who I think are good? I have stated I have never seen DR.H and never will and yet people are convinced that I am Dr.H
why cant you name your doctor if he is good? it will help others. I have shared all the docs i have been to on this forum and it has helped ppl.
11 minutes ago, keving100 said:why cant you name your doctor if he is good? it will help others. I have shared all the docs i have been to on this forum and it has helped ppl.
Because people are accusing me left and right of being a Dr myself so Why will I personally vouch for any only to be accused of being that person????
54 minutes ago, aestheticseeker said:Because people are accusing me left and right of being a Dr myself so Why will I personally vouch for any only to be accused of being that person????
That doesnt make sense. You aint vouching for anyone. You are simply reporting that you went to Dr X, payed $$, got certain treatments and here is the progess/ result. Everyone is doing the same here
35 minutes ago, keving100 said:That doesnt make sense. You aint vouching for anyone. You are simply reporting that you went to Dr X, payed $$, got certain treatments and here is the progess/ result. Everyone is doing the same here
It doesnt make any sense at all but look at sisi's comment above lol
On 12/18/2020 at 7:47 PM, aestheticseeker said:It doesnt make any sense at all but look at sisi's comment above lol
Hmmm...firstly, you didn't want to name any doctors the first time people asked about it, then,completelyuncalled for, you went on a ad campaign to promote H on several threads. Then, politely asked again to disclose your doctor and your results, you refuse again. And you still wonder why I am to 99% sure you're H! It's not the first time H has come to this platform trying to 'defend' his work. Probably it won't be the last time, either.
And it wouldn't be so bad if there weren'tpeople who are not very knowledgeable about scars and who will trust you and willget minimal results from your unnecesarily aggressive treatments, if they have the luck not to suffer any additional damage!
On 12/18/2020 at 10:34 AM, Amanda Hall said:Lim also recommends Dr. Emer and does work with him. That just shows that Lim, despite how many followers he has, doesn't have patients' best interests in mind. I don't know how anybody can justify paying for Emer's services when he charges an arm and a leg and does 50 treatments all at once.
Yeah, Dr Emer has bad reviews I've heard. I understand if Dr Lim doesn't want to speak badly of his colleagues,but to actively recommend suchwhodon't have their patients' best interest at heart is not the smartest thing to do, in my books. And it's not just about the money, even though for 5k you can have lots of other better treatments.
You personally know from our discussions that I will always say find a qualified professional and go to them before you treat yourself, but I just hate it when people fall prey to individuals, who are in it for the money and not to help people.
My scars are not very bad but still cause me many problemsand suffering, and when I see here people who have it much worse I can't understand how anyone can take advantage of them and call themselves a doctor! Not only theydon't help but they are also fully aware that their aggressive treatments cause further damage and just don't care. Primum non nocere, dear "doctors", primum non nocere!
12 minutes ago, Sirius Lee said:Guys, Limcollaborates with Emil in Denmark, not Emer in California (eg. the "Beverly Hills" doc).
He recomends him in his videos and on his site