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Hai  my scars look somewhat similar to yours though I do have some tethering. I met with my dermatologist for scar treatments and he suggested 3 subcisions and 3 Infini RF, then fill what's left! After that I'm going to do at-home microneedling 

I think skin needling would do wonders for your skin. When you needle, it damages your skin. The old dead skin breaks away and new skin regrows and can heal scars. For me, skin needling has been more effective than lazer. Subcision may help reduce a lot of your depressed scars but you will need a few treatments to see any results as it takes a very long time to work. It's also quite expensive. It's about $1000 AU per treatment. Not cheap.

Agree with energy based RF compared to generic lasers giving better outcomes. Subcision probably needed as apart from atrophic scars, it looks like there are tethered and rolling scars. The flip side is that if you live in Australia, subcision is subsidised by Medicare, providing treatments are done by dermatologists or plastics (not cosmetic GPs or aesthetic physicians)- item no. called a 45506 applies. This gives you an 80% rebate once the threshold is reached. Essentially a $1500 procedure is actually a $300 procedure. This only applies to Grade 4 scars as per Goodman Baron scale. Your scars will qualify as they are non distensable and visible at conversational distances. Ideally 5-6 sessions, over 8 months by a good scar specialist will improve things by 70-80%. I wish you well.

@Sirius Lee Appreciate it. I have at least 1 that's tethered but it looks like a bunch of smaller boxcar/rolling scars. Do you think I could get 50% with infini alone?

@Petsme I just checked your post and they actually look extremely similar. Did the doctor give you any inclination on the kind of improvement you would see? Scars suck and most of these came recently which sucks even more. It seems like what your doc recommended is pretty spot on though.

@Greg098 Thanks for the response. Did you get any of the RF Microneedling done?

@Obi wan I really appreciate the reply a lot, it seems like you have extreme knowledge in the field. Wouldn't surprise me if you were a top doctor of some sort. Unfortunately I don't live in Australia but I am actually 50% Australian so I could get my dual citizenship at any time.At this point i'm willing to do practically anything to get these down a fair amount. I currently live in the Northeast US.

I'm almost saved up enough to move forward and would love to hear your advice. My plan for some time has been to visit Novick. Itseems like he is extremely experienced and lives right around the corner from my brother which adds a lot ofconvenience. Even if he is pricier i would feel far more comfortable with him especially working on my temples and what not. I have a few questions since it seems like you are probably top 1-3 most knowledgeable active users on here.

Not sure what Novick offers but i would like to start with him. Do you think say 1-3 subcision could yield good results? I agree with the tethered aspect and subcision + filler seems like a good starting point.

I have about 6k to spend currently. Do you think i should start off with say 1-3 subcisions then do 3 infini? Or do you think I should just do subcision until the results are good? Should I add fillers in there as well?

I apologize for the long reply, it's just I'd really love an experienced point of view before I move forward. In the end money is not an issue as long as I can yield good results.

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@thepwhisp Hey  so my doctor is kind of more on the "realistic" side and he said 50%+, but I assume it will probably be more like 70-80% with peels and microneedling after doing the 3 sets of subcision + Infini RF at the office. 

By the way, Davin Lim usually says that Infini RF alone will get people with rolling scars around 30-50% improvement after 3 treatments, but a couple subcisions and possibly filler will raise that percent up much higher. (because the scarring is usually under the skin and tethered, meaning the fibrous bands have to be released. Also, Infini has trouble getting through fibrosis because the weak motor. Best to break the bands with subcision first.)

I really think your best bet would be to combine the subcisions and Infini, so maybe try like 2 subcisions first without filler (it is expensive, do suction method instead) then do your 3 Infinis, then when you have more money subcision + filler. This gives your body time to regenerate collagen itself and for you to see the results without fillers and make a decision from there, as fillers are a lifetime dedication.

@Petsme Appreciate it a lot, you seem like a very nice person. Scars really suck. I just checked out the other guys thread and it all looks pretty good to me. I'll probably do the subcision first and go from there. TBH price isn't as big of a deal as the results. If I could fill and look ok for a while it would be worth it to me even if I had to do more in a year or so. The scars really kill your social life and even temp results would be ok with me. Going from confident as hell to a hermit really takes a toll. The fact that Davin Lim says that gives me confidence for sure.

I wonder if there are any users here who are highly experienced with RF Microneedling devices. I found a few manufacturers who are pumping LOADS of RF needling machines into the asian spas, european market, etc. I don't have enough experience but it seems like they all of the machines are up to par. There are two companies that are pushing a lot. You can purchase them for distributor prices at like 2-3k a pop which looks veryyy appealing. Based off of the volume they are doing they have to be legitimate. Even if they were just average devices with lower power, features, etc... they may yield similar results to the same "big brands" that are getting pushed ATM. if I knew how to qualify the machines it would be so much easier. That would be the same price as a series of infini treatments... Sorry for going completely off topic.

14 hours ago, Greg098 said:

I think skin needling would do wonders for your skin. When you needle, it damages your skin. The old dead skin breaks away and new skin regrows and can heal scars. For me, skin needling has been more effective than lazer. Subcision may help reduce a lot of your depressed scars but you will need a few treatments to see any results as it takes a very long time to work. It's also quite expensive. It's about $1000 AU per treatment. Not cheap.

1000 for skin needling?! I thought the 350 they charge in the states was bad.

Woahhhh normal microneedling you should do at-home. I would never pay for it! Also I'm really not sure how I feel about those radio frequency devices they're selling online. I would be really cautious about buying one. Firstly you can't be sure of their safety, and secondly who knows what kind of power they have. It would suck to spend so much on a device that is either dangerous or doesn't work  

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@Sirius Lee Hey  do you happen to have any before and after photos you're comfortable sharing? I understand if not, I'm just curious! 

Whats the name if the device so we can have a skeg at it?

@QuadboyThere are a few of these. Both companies seem legitimate. https://www.forimi.com/product/fractional-rf-thermage-machine-nbw-fr300/

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Each of these can be had for like 2-3k at distributor prices.

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This is funny. HAHAHA you bought a cheap device off ebay and expect it to do the same thing as Infini a 100K machine by a trained Dr who if he is not good can ruin your face. The Chinese are experts at marketing. Here take a flashlight and it will do what a laser does. This is absolutely ridiculous. Go on amazon they sell lasers on there too if your being cheap, I am sure they can resurface your face and act as a food processor after. Any machine on ebay or Amazon is underpowered. It will fail potentially hurting you or doing nothing. It does not have all the extra equipment they use for procedures. They have had ultrasound smaller units for years sold from China. They do absolutely nothing. Even the Asians get Infini or similar devices done by drs. Why do they do this if they can just pick one up for a few bucks off ebay. One of the worst products on the market are the Chinese Microneedling devices, they will cut your skin up and are made extremely poor / cheap parts from vibrators.

It's so funny they call this thing RF. I can call anything RF. Look you can ultrasound your face too. Smear the cream around as you play that old game what was it called Operation when you get zapped if you touch the sides and pick up the bones. I always find the reviews amusing by Chinese click farms of 5 star reviews (only review they ever make) or those who believe in the hype of placebo. It says it does amazing things and looks cool, so it must!

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Maybe we can do our own IPL, I mean that looks completely legit too (sarcasm).

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I get saving a buck or two, but I do not get using these devices or harmful behaviors. What the Chinese do today used to be called snake oil salesman, ... sell you whatever you want to hear.

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Regarding the Formi machine it's crap ;-P $3k crap that has no FDA approval. No safety features. Energy is not equally delivered so potentially injury. It's not a direct copy from the specs (often lies). What's next your going to buy a laser and chop up the face. Do you realize the harm you can do with some of these things. Drs are trained for years on how to fix trauma. Not to mention Laser Drs are very specialized and must learn by how the skin reacts what to do with the devices. It's like surgery, we don't use our own scalpel to do a operation on ourselves. Chinese don't even try, they just copy the specs and text from US websites on extremely poorly made products. So are you going to do this on yourself. RF Microneedling takes more skill than laser you can't go to deep or fat loss and can't go too superficial or you damage the epidermis. What if it malfunctions in your skin? What if it burns you? How will you do your own anesthetic? Wound dressings? This isn't easy.

You have $6000, you can completely treat yourself. Go get subcision, filler on any pits a pencil eraser in depth or deeper. Novick can do this. He also can do acid peels. You can get Infini doe several places, we have recommendations in the FAQ top of the scar treatments sub. It will take time, and if you rush it then you potentially get worse results. The body takes 3 months min between procedures to make collagen. 

The only laser as a alternative (expensive) to peels is a profractional erbium resurfacing of the skin, many Drs are laser people so should be easy to find. You can save some money with peels but all of these things have down time. 

His head will be like a pork pie,porky pie head?

he is eating all our pies?

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