The initial swelling can totally hide scars in the first couple days. When was your subcision? One week ago?

Yes QuanHenry its one week now.

That sounds disappointing. Did your doctor use a Nokor needle or filler? Did you suction?

I can say maybe 10 to 20% persent better than before thesubcision treatment.
but what I saw exactly after the subsicion is 100% improvment.
QuanHenry my doctor didnt use nokor or filler, she just used a simple needle which used for injections and didnt tell me to suction.
and she told me that I should also do co2 laser beside subcision.
I told her that I did co2 laser before and see no improvement but she said you had fractional co2 and you have to do full co2 and not fractional co2.
do you know the difference between co2 laser and fractional co2 laser ?

Not to break in for Quan, he has had this procedure done as well so he can also advise you, ... Your doctor did it wrong. No filler and no suction it will re-tether. Scarring is never one and done it's progressive.

Could be that your scars aren't suited for subcision, but it sounds like bad technique to me. I would recommend finding someone that does nokor subcision and filler instead of doing more laser.

2 hours ago, beautifulambition said:

We do not advise having co2 here, it does not work for many, and makes ... many more fat deficient and worse. I suggest you see my rolling scar protocol and or box car protocol below for a idea of treatments.

Oh boy. You mean you don't.

Fractional Co2 is undeniably the gold standard for scar treatment, to try and claim otherwise is laughable, and to advise against it when it can be afforded is cruel.

There are risks, but you have overstated them.

There is seriously no need for the copypasta spam painting yourself and some kind of acne-scar guru. It's effectively masturbation.

13 minutes ago, machiavelli said:

Oh boy. You mean you don't.

Fractional Co2 is undeniably the gold standard for scar treatment, to try and claim otherwise is laughable, and to advise against it when it can be afforded is cruel.

There are risks, but you have overstated them.

There is seriously no need for the copypasta spam painting yourself and some kind of acne-scar guru. It's effectively masturbation.

Says who? The so called "doctors"? The .gov agents heavily invested in the companies? Patient testimony is mixed, and largely negative.

Thanks alot beautifulambition
your are knowledgeable as a derm.
I want to know is it possible to inject a temp filler after subcision and then try microneedling and infini and... to let our skin produce its own collagen and that temp filler work as a scaffold and filler replace with our own body collagen.
how much is this theory realistic ?
any one tried it ?

8 minutes ago, QuanHenry said:

Says who? The so called "doctors"? The .gov agents heavily invested in the companies?

That says it all. Kook.

Quan henry do you know how much improvement is possible after every subcision ?
You know I see some improvement now and cant say nothing happens.
I think if I have 4 subcision maybe I got big improvement.
I will say what happens to me in next sessions of treatment.

13 minutes ago, machiavelli said:

That says it all. Kook.

No evidence, just name calling. Sad

If it really was the "gold standard" there would be people on the internet advocating the treatment with clear before/afters, but reviews are mostly bad.

11 minutes ago, Nemesis 89 said:

Quan henry do you know how much improvement is possible after every subcision ?
You know I see some improvement now and cant say nothing happens.
I think if I have 4 subcision maybe I got big improvement.
I will say what happens to me in next sessions of treatment.

I have no idea. I haven't seen your scars, and results vary. I think you will get zero result with poor technique though, it matters.

@machiavelli

Most of the ppl on this forum have tried lasers and are dissatisfied with the results. They clearly dont work for depressed acne scars. You need to elevate the scars with subcision, CROSS or fillers and then lasers can help to round the edges of the scars.
If you dont have atropic scarring, lasers might help.

7 minutes ago, QuanHenry said:

No evidence. Sad

Gonna apply the same line to your conspiritard nonsense?

I'm not going to waste my time in a back and forth with you over something that has been demonstrated repeatedly in clinical studies. It's a dead end, people like you are dime a dozen online. So egoistic that even in the face of overwhelming evidence you couldn't bear to flip on a dime, suck it up, and admit you were wrong.

If you are actually interested, start from the top. At your leisure, pal. It's the scientific community versus mist.

https://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?q ="fractional+co2"+"atrophic"+"acne"&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

But you're not going to bother, are you?

Yes I've heard the lecture and read the studies. Still just salesmenand investors with no hard evidence. How do you know it works? Have you done it? Where are your pictures?

I find it hard to believe something that is slam dunk for acne scars doesn't have a single satisfied patient on the entire internet.

Laser for acne acne scars has been debunked. It doesn't work (well).

I just think how good would be if we didnt have any scars.
look how much different will be our life if we dont have acne and acne scars.
we all spend lots of our time and mental energy on scars during years.
and some people with out acne and scars can enjoy their life.
Its not fair at all.
and I wonder why scince cant find any cure for this...
I think even scince will find cure of AIDS and cancer and etc but acne scars will still remain unable to fix... .
any way thank god for giving us this disaster maybe in the next life after death we can ask god why us ?!!!!

3 minutes ago, QuanHenry said:

Yes I've heard the lecture and read the studies. Still just salesman and investors with no hard evidence. How do you know it works? Have you done it? Where are your pictures?

I find it hard to believe something that is slam dunk for acne scars doesn't have a single satisfied patient on the entire internet.

Laser for acne acne scars has been debunked. It doesn't work (well).

Beautiful.

2 hours ago, machiavelli said:

Oh boy. You mean you don't.

Fractional Co2 is undeniably the gold standard for scar treatment, to try and claim otherwise is laughable, and to advise against it when it can be afforded is cruel.

There are risks, but you have overstated them.

There is seriously no need for the copypasta spam painting yourself and some kind of acne-scar guru. It's effectively masturbation.

Laser works for scars but temporarily Microneedling radio frequency is a newer and better technology.

2 hours ago, Nemesis 89 said:

Thanks alot beautifulambition
your are knowledgeable as a derm.
I want to know is it possible to inject a temp filler after subcision and then try microneedling and infini and... to let our skin produce its own collagen and that temp filler work as a scaffold and filler replace with our own body collagen.
how much is this theory realistic ?
any one tried it ?

If you can afford it do infini and subcision together. That way scars will not tether back that much. 3 subcisions, 3 infini followed by a filler should give you 70-80% improvement.

Sorry Binga you mean 70_80% permanent improvement ?

1 hour ago, Nemesis 89 said:

Sorry Binga you mean 70_80% permanent improvement ?

Fillers are temporary. Lasts for a year. Stem cell fat grafting is a more permanent filler.

8 hours ago, Nemesis 89 said:

I just think how good would be if we didnt have any scars.
look how much different will be our life if we dont have acne and acne scars.
we all spend lots of our time and mental energy on scars during years.
and some people with out acne and scars can enjoy their life.
Its not fair at all.
and I wonder why scince cant find any cure for this...
I think even scince will find cure of AIDS and cancer and etc but acne scars will still remain unable to fix... .
any way thank god for giving us this disaster maybe in the next life after death we can ask god why us ?!!!!

Dear, I think scars are better than having Aids and cancer. I know many lovely people with perfect skin and they don't even notice my scars or think about them that much. We tend to be our worst critics and we think our scars look worser than they actually are. And there is much more to life than how you look, as cliche as that may sound. One day we all will be wrinkly and old and our scars won't matter that much. Treat your scars but try not to think about them all day. Devote the time you use to thinking about whether they will get better to hobbies and the things that make life worthwhile for you.

All the best!

7 hours ago, trompel'oeil said:

Dear, I think scars are better than having Aids and cancer. I know many lovely people with perfect skin and they don't even notice my scars or think about them that much. We tend to be our worst critics and we think our scars look worser than they actually are. And there is much more to life than how you look, as cliche as that may sound. One day we all will be wrinkly and old and our scars won't matter that much. Treat your scars but try not to think about them all day. Devote the time you use to thinking about whether they will get better to hobbies and the things that make life worthwhile for you.

All the best!

Yes my friend You are right I accept scars are better than Aids and cancer,but I think its also right if we say there is impossible to have a normal life with scars.
yes we all get old and die some day but the difference is that we cant enjoy our life and feel happiness until we get old and see there is no difference between our skin and others skin.

11 hours ago, Binga said:

13 hours ago, Nemesis 89 said:

Sorry Binga you mean 70_80% permanent improvement ?

Fillers are temporary. Lasts for a year. Stem cell fat grafting is a more permanent filler.

Do you believe that temp filler can work as a scaffold so our skin can build its own collagen in that scaffold and results become permanent ?

16 hours ago, machiavelli said:

Gonna apply the same line to your conspiritard nonsense?

I'm not going to waste my time in a back and forth with you over something that has been demonstrated repeatedly in clinical studies. It's a dead end, people like you are dime a dozen online. So egoistic that even in the face of overwhelming evidence you couldn't bear to flip on a dime, suck it up, and admit you were wrong.

If you are actually interested, start from the top. At your leisure, pal. It's the scientific community versus mist.

https://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?q ="fractional+co2"+"atrophic"+"acne"&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

But you're not going to bother, are you?

Oh please....u're so annoying. Have u ever tried Co2? I tried it, it sucks. I tried almost every methods Lol u never tried sh** and chitchatting around forum just after reading some articles. You are very smart , so impressive. Oh grandmaster, please, show us the truth because we can't (obviously) read articles and we can't understand your wisdom

3 hours ago, Rdnhey said:

20 hours ago, machiavelli said:

Gonna apply the same line to your conspiritard nonsense?

I'm not going to waste my time in a back and forth with you over something that has been demonstrated repeatedly in clinical studies. It's a dead end, people like you are dime a dozen online. So egoistic that even in the face of overwhelming evidence you couldn't bear to flip on a dime, suck it up, and admit you were wrong.

If you are actually interested, start from the top. At your leisure, pal. It's the scientific community versus mist.

https://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?q ="fractional+co2"+"atrophic"+"acne"&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

But you're not going to bother, are you?

Oh please....u're so annoying. Have u ever tried Co2? I tried it, it sucks. I tried almost every methods Lol u never tried sh** and chitchatting around forum just after reading some articles. You are very smart , so impressive. Oh grandmaster, please, show us the truth because we can't (obviously) read articles and we can't understand your wisdom

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