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45 minutes ago, blahblah82 said:You totally do not get it. Shit happened, that cannot be undone.
Yeah her lips are disfigured, but shit happened and if she didn't do anything at all, she would have been completely disfigured. She could choose to be completely disfigured, or be significantly less disfigured (but still obviously scarred). I'm not sure what you've contributed, other than turning the conversation back to yourself honestly. Not trying to be critical, but that's how you come off.
I wasn't turning the conversation back to myself. You asked why I am on this forum and I explained myself.
I posted that girl's story because I was curious if anyone had a clue why the doctors are lasering the shit out of her. And it's sad that she thinks her scars are not going to be noticable one day. It Just seems like she is getting misled. We can't even tell if the lasers and additional surgery made any improvement to her original scars. To be honest, I think her present day picture almost looks the same as her post crash picture from 2015, her scars are just less red now.
Shit does happens, but does that make life good or fair. Hell no. It just makes people incredibly unlucky.
3 hours ago, blahblah82 said:
What is your point here? That it's possible to improve some scars?
Why is she getting fillers done every month? It's hard to see the improvement and her scars are still pretty obvious. I guess she's happy though.
For what it's worth, I've checked out this Doctor's credentials and they are shady at best.
You asked why they're doing lasers, and I'm showing you why. Did you actually take the time to watch the video and see the extent of her injuries and her progress?
The lasers were used for blending the huge laceration scars and make them smoother. Yes, they're still very apparent, but if you actually sawthe extent of her injuries, it's actually near miraculous. She literally had someone hack her face with a machete and cause deep lacerations to the bone over her entire face.
And as for your post about the Asian girl who had an accident? You say it is hardly different then right after the crash. I think you might have missed the pictures at the very bottom where her lips were hanging off her face. You seem to have only seen her face after she was stitched up.
It's like you're not impressed with anything unless it's damn near 100% improvement.
42 minutes ago, blahblah82 said:You asked why they're doing lasers, and I'm showing you why. Did you actually take the time to watch the video and see the extent of her injuries and her progress?
The lasers were used for blending the huge laceration scars and make them smoother. Yes, they're still very apparent, but if you actually sawthe extent of her injuries, it's actually near miraculous. She literally had someone hack her face with a machete and cause deep lacerations to the bone over her entire face.
And as for your post about the Asian girl who had an accident? You say it is hardly different then right after the crash. I think you might have missed the pictures at the very bottom where her lips were hanging off her face. You seem to have only seen her face after she was stitched up.
It's like you're not impressed with anything unless it's damn near 100% improvement.
Yes, I watched the video. In both of these cases, I think most of the improvement/healing took place from the initial repair in the ER. It doesn't look like the adjunct measures (scar revision, laser, etc) have done much else.
So for the Asian girl, what I meant was the actual scar treatments are not much different than after she healed from being stitched up the first time.
I'm sorry, but most of the people in this video have scars on their bodies, and you can't compare that to a facial scar. The guy who has a scar on his neck isn't bothered because it's on his neck and it's not that visible of a place. The girl with the dog bite on her face never admits to being ok with her scar. And she actually has a very good scar. It's just a thin long line.
What can any of us say in response to some of these comments? I am on this particular forum because I want treatment info directly from people who have received it or researched. There have been far too many posts and threads that add no value to this community, they are nothing but hurtful and negative. What response to scars should we expect from societywhen we attack and dismiss other people so quickly based on the location or severity of their scar/scars.
I welcome people posting both good and bad results, and I will be just as critical in evaluating how credible what they are posting is as I do for everything on the internet. Aside from the realself link, none of the other complaints provide any details about lasers causing damage, the types of laser used, or the types of scars being treated. What conclusion should people come to based on this lack on info?
seeing you guys taking shots at eachother when we are all here for the same reason just reinforces how fucked up society is
i actually find it helpful to read about peoples struggles on here becasue when i go out i feel like im the only one sufferring
scarredandsad is right surgeons and derms play into the fact we are suffering and desperate and give out false hope and expectation which isnt even the worst part, the worst part is they always brush off the potential risks and the patiants concerns...I mean itsastounding how often lasers go wrong and leave people in a much worse position to how they started + a huge hit to their mental health
the place i go to offered me another set of lasers to fix the problem, how am i meant to know it wont make it even worse just goes round in circles and you give up
This website is being glitchy right now, it wont let me mention or quote scarredandsad.
The youtube channel I posted is one of the best acne scar logs Ive seen on the internet. He has been posting skin updates every couple months for 4 years, including one a week ago. I have a lot of respect for the guy for showing his scars on video throughout the process. His skin is not perfect but I seriously doubt his scars alone would be bad enough that people would tease him or make his life difficult over it. If he never did treatment his scars would definitely be more noticeable. Ive chatted with him about treatments before, and we agree that laser is over hyped, over priced, and painful. He says that his dermapen is giving him basically the same results that laser did at a slower rate. He is a good skin role model and I want to make mine look like his. The idea is to blend the scars in as much as possible. Any greater expectations will leave you disappointed and forever chasing results.
SAS34 probably wont be impressed because his scars are not 100% better. His skin still looks good to me.
On June 25, 2016 at 6:33 PM, QuanHenry said:This website is being glitchy right now, it wont let me mention or quote scarredandsad.
The youtube channel I posted is one of the best acne scar logs Ive seen on the internet. He has been posting skin updates every couple months for 4 years, including one a week ago. I have a lot of respect for the guy for showing his scars on video throughout the process. His skin is not perfect but I seriously doubt his scars alone would be bad enough that people would tease him or make his life difficult over it. If he never did treatment his scars would definitely be more noticeable. Ive chatted with him about treatments before, and we agree that laser is over hyped, over priced, and painful. He says that his dermapen is giving him basically the same results that laser did at a slower rate. He is a good skin role model and I want to make mine look like his. The idea is to blend the scars in as much as possible. Any greater expectations will leave you disappointed and forever chasing results.
SAS34 probably wont be impressed because his scars are not 100% better. His skin still looks good to me.
It's still is unclear to me how much scar treatments really helped his skin. So I can't be impressed because he fails to show any improvement. But you are right, his scars would not get negative attention.
So here is Dr. Joe Niamtu's website. He is the "cosmetic surgeon" (not plastic surgeon) who treated the lady with the machete cuts. For those of you who do not know, a cosmetic surgeon is not the same thing as a plastic surgeon.
https://www.realself.com/question/plastic-surgeon-vs-cosmetic-surgeon-whats-difference
his is website is extremely shady. He is claiming to treat some traumatic scars with just one pass of the CO2 laser (see the first picture below)
Plus he uses generic pictures of scar treatments that are easily found on other websites. (The second picture is from Niamtu's website. The third picture is from another random website. This proves that Niamtu is not using real patient photos).
so yeah, I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him, yet alone trust him with my face!
1 hour ago, scarredandsad34 said:So here is Dr. Joe Niamtu's website. He is the "cosmetic surgeon" (not plastic surgeon) who treated the lady with the machete cuts. For those of you who do not know, a cosmetic surgeon is not the same thing as a plastic surgeon.
https://www.realself.com/question/plastic-surgeon-vs-cosmetic-surgeon-whats-difference
his is website is extremely shady. He is claiming to treat some traumatic scars with just one pass of the CO2 laser (see the first picture below)
Plus he uses generic pictures of scar treatments that are easily found on other websites. (The second picture is from Niamtu's website. The third picture is from another random website. This proves that Niamtu is not using real patient photos).
so yeah, I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him, yet alone trust him with my face!
You are claiming a reputable doctor has stolen photos from "dentgap" instead of the other way around?
Why the hell are you bagging out a doctor that has never even treated you? And a doctor known for his charity work? That's low. Sometimes good results are achieved, shock horror. Has anyone claimed you would get the same and lied to you? That's on them.
2 hours ago, scarredandsad34 said:It's still is unclear to me how much scar treatments really helped his skin. So I can't be impressed because he fails to show any improvement. But you are right, his scars would not get negative attention.
I dont even know what to say to this. You must be trolling.
1 hour ago, scarsfade said:You are claiming a reputable doctor has stolen photos from "dentgap" instead of the other way around?
Why the hell are you bagging out a doctor that has never even treated you? And a doctor known for his charity work? That's low. Sometimes good results are achieved, shock horror. Has anyone claimed you would get the same and lied to you? That's on them.
Then how do you explain this?
His picture of the cheek scar is the exact same photo that was on a brochure that a plastic surgeon gave me advertising the 1540 palomar lux erbium laser.
He's using stock photos from the laser company. They are not his own before and after pics. This is called false advertising! Wake up and smell the coffee people, lasers are junk and the doctors that are using them for "scar removal" are just getting richer while we are getting poorer.
10 minutes ago, scarredandsad34 said:Then how do you explain this?His picture of the cheek scar is the exact same photo that was on a brochure that a plastic surgeon gave me advertising the 1549 palomar lux erbuim laser.
He's using stock photos from the laser company. They are not his own before and after pics. This is called false advertising! Wake up and smell the coffee people, lasers are junk and the doctors that are using them for "scar removal" are just getting richer while we are getting poorer.
Nope, I'm sure he performed the original procedure. Hawaii medical stole the photos and I can tell immediately because the rest are taken from Jill Waibel who's a burns specialist.
34 minutes ago, QuanHenry said:2 hours ago, scarredandsad34 said:It's still is unclear to me how much scar treatments really helped his skin. So I can't be impressed because he fails to show any improvement. But you are right, his scars would not get negative attention.I dont even know what to say to this. You must be trolling.
How am I trolling? I don't think the guy has bad skin. The video you sent has the guy showing his scars in different lighting with no before and after pics. So how does this show any evidence of his scar treatments working?
Please include a video of him showing before treatment pictures.
23 minutes ago, scarredandsad34 said:These are stock photos. They are all over the Internet.
Do you really not comprehend photos are taken from the original doctor who posted them? You claim it isn't him, even though he has a gallery full of them, so show who did it, oh yeah "dentgap" and "efusemedspas".... Back your shit up instead of calling reputable doctors liars. I've read a lot about this doctor and he sure doesn't sound like a liar or money hungry, go read his blog about his two disabled children who cant walk... Back it up of shut up is all i can say.
23 minutes ago, scarredandsad34 said:These are stock photos. They are all over the Internet.
Do you really not comprehend photos are taken from the original doctor who posted them? You claim it isn't him, even though he has a gallery full of them, so show who did it, oh yeah "dentgap" and "efusemedspas".... Back your shit up instead of calling reputable doctors liars. I've read a lot about this doctor and he sure doesn't sound like a liar or money hungry, go read his blog about his two disabled children who cant walk... Back it up of shut up is all i can say.
29 minutes ago, scarsfade said:Do you really not comprehend photos are taken from the original doctor who posted them? You claim it isn't him, even though he has a gallery full of them, so show who did it, oh yeah "dentgap" and "efusemedspas".... Back your shit up instead of calling reputable doctors liars. I've read a lot about this doctor and he sure doesn't sound like a liar or money hungry, go read his blog about his two disabled children who cant walk... Back it up of shut up is all i can say.
Do you really not comprehend photos are taken from the original doctor who posted them? You claim it isn't him, even though he has a gallery full of them, so show who did it, oh yeah "dentgap" and "efusemedspas".... Back your shit up instead of calling reputable doctors liars. I've read a lot about this doctor and he sure doesn't sound like a liar or money hungry, go read his blog about his two disabled children who cant walk... Back it up of shut up is all i can say.
The laser companies produce these photos and send them out as part of their marketing propaganda. A plastic surgeon gave me one of these pamphlets during a consultation. Then unethical doctors use them on their websites to help market laser scar treatments. That's why the same pictures are all over the Internet. It's pretty obvious.
1 hour ago, scarredandsad34 said:1 hour ago, scarsfade said:Do you really not comprehend photos are taken from the original doctor who posted them? You claim it isn't him, even though he has a gallery full of them, so show who did it, oh yeah "dentgap" and "efusemedspas".... Back your shit up instead of calling reputable doctors liars. I've read a lot about this doctor and he sure doesn't sound like a liar or money hungry, go read his blog about his two disabled children who cant walk... Back it up of shut up is all i can say.
Do you really not comprehend photos are taken from the original doctor who posted them? You claim it isn't him, even though he has a gallery full of them, so show who did it, oh yeah "dentgap" and "efusemedspas".... Back your shit up instead of calling reputable doctors liars. I've read a lot about this doctor and he sure doesn't sound like a liar or money hungry, go read his blog about his two disabled children who cant walk... Back it up of shut up is all i can say.The laser companies produce these photos and send them out as part of their marketing propaganda. That's why they are all over the Internet.
It's all over the internet because its the internet. Anyway I'm over it, have fun.
1 hour ago, scarredandsad34 said:1 hour ago, scarsfade said:Do you really not comprehend photos are taken from the original doctor who posted them? You claim it isn't him, even though he has a gallery full of them, so show who did it, oh yeah "dentgap" and "efusemedspas".... Back your shit up instead of calling reputable doctors liars. I've read a lot about this doctor and he sure doesn't sound like a liar or money hungry, go read his blog about his two disabled children who cant walk... Back it up of shut up is all i can say.
Do you really not comprehend photos are taken from the original doctor who posted them? You claim it isn't him, even though he has a gallery full of them, so show who did it, oh yeah "dentgap" and "efusemedspas".... Back your shit up instead of calling reputable doctors liars. I've read a lot about this doctor and he sure doesn't sound like a liar or money hungry, go read his blog about his two disabled children who cant walk... Back it up of shut up is all i can say.The laser companies produce these photos and send them out as part of their marketing propaganda. That's why they are all over the Internet.
I see, so the company edits out the scars and they aren't real results. Anyway I'm over it , have fun.
2 hours ago, scarredandsad34 said:How am I trolling? I don't think the guy has bad skin. The video you sent has the guy showing his scars in different lighting with no before and after pics. So how does this show any evidence of his scar treatments working?Please include a video of him showing before treatment pictures.
I already said that hes been posting skin update videos for 4 years. Look at his channel.
6 hours ago, scarredandsad34 said:The laser companies produce these photos and send them out as part of their marketing propaganda. A plastic surgeon gave me one of these pamphlets during a consultation. Then unethical doctors use them on their websites to help market laser scar treatments. That's why the same pictures are all over the Internet. It's pretty obvious.
NO, they use the pictures BY PERMISSION from the doctors who use their machines and do the actual procedures. At the bottom of those pictures in the brochures, it will usually say "Courtesy of Dr.____________". They do not do the procedures themselves, they are not doctors. Dr. Niamtu is the original surgeon and gave permission for them to use his photos as part of their marketing material.
You have it backwards, the Med Spas are the ones who stole the photos. Med Spas are not legit medical offices, and are notorious for stealing pictures. I've seen Dr. Niamtu's and Dr. Davin Lim's photos stolen all over the net, which is likely what happened in your example.
You unfairly maligned a good doctor by jumping to conclusions, and not knowing the facts. Your outlook has been completely distorted because of your experience. Now you have an unreasonable all or nothing approach to doctors, that they're all bad.
He is a Maxillo-facial surgeon who fixes cleft palates, so I'm sure he is capable of scar revision. By definition he is not a plastic surgeon, but a surgeon nonetheless.
58 minutes ago, blahblah82 said:NO, they use the pictures BY PERMISSION from the doctors who use their machines and do the actual procedures. At the bottom of those pictures in the brochures, it will usually say "Courtesy of Dr.____________". They do not do the procedures themselves, they are not doctors. Dr. Niamtu is the original surgeon and gave permission for them to use his photos as part of their marketing material.
You have it backwards, the Med Spas are the ones who stole the photos. Med Spas are not legit medical offices, and are notorious for stealing pictures. I've seen Dr. Niamtu's and Dr. Davin Lim's photos stolen all over the net, which is likely what happened in your example.
You unfairly maligned a good doctor by jumping to conclusions, and not knowing the facts. Your outlook has been completely distorted because of your experience. Now you have an unreasonable all or nothing approach to doctors, that they're all bad.
He is a Maxillo-facial surgeon who fixes cleft palates, so I'm sure he is capable of scar revision. By definition he is not a plastic surgeon, but a surgeon nonetheless.
So let's say you are right, that these really are his photos. Do you really think he's legit? He claims the elderly woman in this photo was gored by a deer antler on one website, but that she was in an automobile accident in another. And that one treatment of co2 laser virtually erased her scar. I just find it incredibly hard to believe, given the poor reviews I've seen in almost all online reviews of lasers from real people. Why don't the real people on these forums and others have real results? Why is it always that these doctors with their "glossy" photos show the remarkable result?
and if he can so easily treat deep traumatic scars, why isn't he a billionaire and why doesn't everyone on this forum go to him to get their scars zapped away?
Call me a skeptic all you want, but you are right, I have been burned and now I want proof before I believe anymore of these "medical" procedures.
58 minutes ago, scarredandsad34 said:So let's say you are right, that these really are his photos. Do you really think he's legit? He claims the elderly woman in this photo was gored by a deer antler on one website, but that she was in an automobile accident in another. And that one treatment of co2 laser virtually erased her scar. I just find it incredibly hard to believe, given the poor reviews I've seen in almost all online reviews of lasers from real people. Why don't the real people on these forums and others have real results? Why is it always that these doctors with their "glossy" photos show the remarkable result?and if he can so easily treat deep traumatic scars, why isn't he a billionaire and why doesn't everyone on this forum go to him to get their scars zapped away?
Call me a skeptic all you want, but you are right, I have been burned and now I want proof before I believe anymore of these "medical" procedures.
The first image isn't even his website. This forum is mostly acne scar sufferers, you seem to lack the basic knowledge that they are different to traumatic scars. I don't think I've ever seen a review for someone with a traumatic scar who was treated within the crucial 6 week window. Spreading lies and misinformation.