Day 4 post subcision. I suction 3 times a day 6-8 passes. It's quite a challenge to do this when you have a 1.5 year old child The time that i suction is 35-40 minutes each time.

Before i suction, the scars are invisible. After, the scars are a bit red. Also, where i suction, my skin is really dry. Don't really know how that is possible?

Yesterday my sister and mom suddenly said that my fave looked really good. I guess i'm still a bit swollen, but i don't really see that in the mirror.

So excited!

Day 4 post subcision. I suction 3 times a day 6-8 passes. It's quite a challenge to do this when you have a 1.5 year old child The time that i suction is 35-40 minutes each time.

 

Before i suction, the scars are invisible. After, the scars are a bit red. Also, where i suction, my skin is really dry. Don't really know how that is possible?

 

Yesterday my sister and mom suddenly said that my fave looked really good. I guess i'm still a bit swollen, but i don't really see that in the mirror.

 

So excited!

Sweet. My session were also 30~ish minutes and subsequently, my scars would also start to get read and appear for a few minutes but then would later disappear. As far as dryness, just keep slathering that jojoba oil over your face periodically or when your face feels dry. I would also take showers at night after and cleanse with jojoba after my last session then would re-apply jojoba oil for the moisturizing effect! Take photos!

 

Day 4 post subcision. I suction 3 times a day 6-8 passes. It's quite a challenge to do this when you have a 1.5 year old child The time that i suction is 35-40 minutes each time.

Before i suction, the scars are invisible. After, the scars are a bit red. Also, where i suction, my skin is really dry. Don't really know how that is possible?

Yesterday my sister and mom suddenly said that my fave looked really good. I guess i'm still a bit swollen, but i don't really see that in the mirror.

So excited!

Sweet. My session were also 30~ish minutes and subsequently, my scars would also start to get read and appear for a few minutes but then would later disappear. As far as dryness, just keep slathering that jojoba oil over your face periodically or when your face feels dry. I would also take showers at night after and cleanse with jojoba after my last session then would re-apply jojoba oil for the moisturizing effect! Take photos!

I take photos when iam sure that this works

How is your skin now? Maybe a weird question for you, but can you camouflage your scars well how they are now?

Isn't the suction supposed to induce bruising? Transitory redness doesn't seem like much.....

Isn't the suction supposed to induce bruising? Transitory redness doesn't seem like much.....

Oh yes, i'm bruised. But also a bit red scars while and after suctioning.

This afternoon we are going to my mother-in-law and she have a mirror. Always when i look in that mirror i feel kinda miserable. So, today i will look in the same mirror and i really hope that i don't feel that miserable.

I know how you feel about certain mirrors! It just stinks because it can get a person so down just from seeing yourself in certain light:( I hope you get improvement and can be free of tha t miserable feeling!

I have had two subcisions in the past. When it happened, I mentioned the suctioning and my doctor strongly advised I not do it. After reading this,I am very upset I didn't just do it anyways. I thought that I had good results, but not the fantastic results you seem to have. Then, just recently I had my first cystic pimple that I've had since I had the subcisions over two years ago. I had a cortisone injection in hopes to keep it from scarring....but now I have a huge dent from the injection. I seriously cannot win. I'm going to my dr this week to see if this dent can be corrected with a subcision. If I do this final subcision, I will definitely do suctioning . He will not do the rest of my face though. He said that I have too much scar tissue to do any further subcisions. I'm just so sad I didn't do the suctioning....and that I now have a huge dent in the middle of my forehead.

FYI, usually cortisone atrophy does correct itself, but it could take many many months. There was a girl here who started a super long thread detailing her botched cortisone injections. The indentation on her chin area was significant, but I think it ultimately filled in for her. So don't lose hope yet.

I'm not sure what your doctor means by saying you have too much scar tissue for subcision.

Hello Robertitoo and everyone else who has been following this thread. Thanks Robertitoo for sharing your experiences with regular updates and photos on your subcision/suctioning treatments. I am sure many other people also appreciate your efforts, as it has been very helpful. I have similar scarring on my temples as you do Robertitoo and have been researching on how to improve them. I have done one laser treatment 3 years ago and did not get much improvement. I started dermarolling/stamping about 2 years ago and have seen moderate improvement.I will be moving to the southern California area here in February of 2016. I am looking to have the same procedure (subcision) as you did with the same doctor (Dr. Rullan). As I have read people have had good success with this treatment, and the Dr. seems to be experienced in doing this procedure. I have already purchased the suctioning device that you have recommended and automated dermastamping device in preparation of post procedural dermastamping/suctioning. I read your September 10th post in which you had seemed very happy with the results of your second subcision treatment. I was very happy for you after reading that post btw, as you seemed to be seeing really good results. By looking at your photos, you seemed to have more improvement after your second treatment, which you attest to the doctor being more aggressive. You had said you would be posting more photos in a month or so. The photos you have been posting already have been helpful in showing your results. I was hoping some of the newer photos you post could be taken in similar lighting as your Pre-procedural photos taken before your First subcision treatment. It seems those first photos were taken under the most harsh lighting and any newer photos taken under that same harsh (led) lighting would give followers of this thread a good perspective of your overall improvement. Some of the updated photos you have posted show remarkable improvement, however, are under a softer light. I know for me personally, that the lighting I am in when looking into a mirror changes how my scars look dramatically. I will soon be posting photos of my own scars on this thread and plan to document my experiences as you have. Thanks again.

hi! I've been following that long thread about that girls cortisone dent as well. It looks like it did improve...but never 100%...but it's at the point where she is fine with it now. I believe the doctor feels that more damage than good would happen at this point with another subcision since I have so much scar tissue from my first two. I am going tomorrow to get Belotero filler in my dent on my forehead but I am a nervous wreck. When I've had fillers in the past I got nodules and the areaseemed lumpy. Belotero is supposed to be a bit better with those issues...but I'm nervous that I will dislike how I look with the injections more than I dislike having ahuge crater in the middle of my forehead. I'm ag a loss. I have just come to know that I will always have the worst outcome possible when trying to correct my appearance from things I'm insecure about.

Ok, 2.5 weeks after the subcision. The scars are still there, but they are def. less deep. When i go with my finger over a scar that i always could feel, i now barely feelthe deepness of the scar. Skin is still red (red marks?) where the scars are.

Guess that i will do another subcision in januari and maybe after that a good peel.

Soooo...will you be updating pictures soon? Looking forward to them!

Sorry for the delay. It's incredibly hard for me to capture my scars with my out of date Moto G. However, I will try to upload a few this week to give you guys an insight on how things are looking. Moreover, I'd like to point out that I haven't needled for a few months now and my last Vbeam was I believe a month ago.

At the momentI'm extremely content with my right temples and right side of my face -- easily a 75%+ improvement with no change for the past 2-3 months. Some scars never resurfaced and the fat loss that was present on my right cheeks is no more :). Unfortunately for my left temples although they have improved immensely, they still need a bit of work. That also goes for my scars on my left cheeks. So in terms improvement - left temples 50% and left cheeks 60%.

I am also keeping myacne at bay (knock on wood) with the oil cleansing method.

My proposed course of action as of now is the following -

Needling on Thanksgiving

One last subcision,needling + suction (2 weeks this time) on Winter break

3 Month procedure-free break, then needling indefinitely for the rest of 2016 once every 7 weeks

Done with Vbeam, going to focus on using sunscreen religiously now

Best to all

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On 2015-10-25, 10:18:27, Robertitoo said:

Sorry for the delay. It's incredibly hard for me to capture my scars with my out of date Moto G. However, I will try to upload a few this week to give you guys an insight on how things are looking. Moreover, I'd like to point out that I haven't needled for a few months now and my last Vbeam was I believe a month ago.

At the momentI'm extremely content with my right temples and right side of my face -- easily a 75%+ improvement with no change for the past 2-3 months. Some scars never resurfaced and the fat loss that was present on my right cheeks is no more :). Unfortunately for my left temples although they have improved immensely, they still need a bit of work. That also goes for my scars on my left cheeks. So in terms improvement - left temples 50% and left cheeks 60%.

I am also keeping myacne at bay (knock on wood) with the oil cleansing method.

My proposed course of action as of now is the following -

Needling on Thanksgiving

One last subcision,needling + suction (2 weeks this time) on Winter break

3 Month procedure-free break, then needling indefinitely for the rest of 2016 once every 7 weeks

Done with Vbeam, going to focus on using sunscreen religiously now

Best to all

So are we going to see updated pictures? it has been over a month. I don't want to sound entitled since you've helped the community out a lot but it would still be nice to see where your progress stands. If it did not work out, there's no shame in admitting it, this will only educate the community further. Good luck!

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I'll update before I get my subcision this month sorry for the long hiatus

Robertitoo,

Sorry for lapse in posting.  Ran into some issues developing an unexpected case of eczema and nodular cystic breakout that set me back.  Having been clear for a couple weeks and with the holiday break where I don't have to go to work for a week and 1/2, I just finished my first subscision session with Dr. Rullan.  As I speak, I am swollen (not bruised yet).  Thought swollen, I can see some of my scars.  I wasn't planning on microneedling but from what I read of your thread, you did so later that evening.  Will follow up with suctioning in 2 days as recommended.

Not sure what to expect but as I said, you've given me and others hope.  

Keeping the faith...getting rid of the scars   

Good luck Madzippy! Dr. Rullan is great! Make sure to take pictures of your scarring!!

So, guys, I'm pretty low on funds since I'm about to get my first car withina month. However, I have set aside some money for a partial subcisiondone only on the temples. My cheek scarring isn't as prominent anymore and frankly, it doesn't bother me anymore. Yes I still have scarring but not like before (65%+ improvement, some scars are gone yatta yatta - i've said this before) It's improved immensely and I am able to find peace with myself when I look in the mirror, unlike before. I figure if I give it time, and continue needling every couple of months - along with diligent use of sunscreen daily, my face will look THAT much better within a year or two and possibly permanently resolve all scarring on my cheeks.

That said,

You guys are probably going to condemn me for what I'm going to say but I figure it's for the best of us. Like I previously just mentioned, I have decided to get subcisiondone on both temples only (to cut the cost - my part time job isn't giving me enough hours (16hrs/wk - before it was 30+) Even though I have the money set aside (from a high paying job last summer), it's allocated for a new car which I refuse to touch.

Questions?

I'm probably going to take the same route as you did, but with TCA peeling too.

Did you only do subcision and microneedling? No peels or tretinoin use? Also, do you have any pictures of your temple scarring? I looked at your before pictures and it's hard to see. An LED flashlight is really good at making scars show, take a look at my pictures for example. In some studies they mention theGoodman and Baron Qualitative scar grading system, which grade would you rate your scars before you started treatment?

How does your budget come into play? If you had unlimited funds, how would your protocol differ?

Thanks for the update and I think many of us appreciate what you're doing here.

1 hour ago, FriskyCreek said:

I'm probably going to take the same route as you did, but with TCA peeling too.

Did you only do subcision and microneedling? No peels or tretinoin use? Also, do you have any pictures of your temple scarring? I looked at your before pictures and it's hard to see. An LED flashlight is really good at making scars show, take a look at my pictures for example. In some studies they mention theGoodman and Baron Qualitative scar grading system, which grade would you rate your scars before you started treatment?

How does your budget come into play? If you had unlimited funds, how would your protocol differ?

Thanks for the update and I think many of us appreciate what you're doing here.

 

 

Thanks for your questions FriskyCreek!

I will make sure I take very good pictures before I get subcision of both my temples and cheeks. I can do that tomorrow - and yes I will try your technique with LED lights. I'll use my bike lights for that!

Tretinoin: Used it for 6 months. Can officially conclude that is was useless for me; caused numerous nodules which would stay on my face for months. Most causing minimal scarring on my lower cheek close to my mouth. Thankfully they're all gone. They were very ugly nonetheless. It also made my face feel weak/predisposed to scarring, heavy and warm - gross.

Peels: I'm an advocate, but you really need to know what you're doing. I made the mistake of using them too often which probably set me back a lot. I don't talk about it much, but just be careful. If i ever do use them again I will only use them as spot treatments, only. Like DC-Girl.

If i had unlimited funds...My protocol wouldquite synonymous to the one I have planned: Subcision+ Needling + Suction full face . 5+ Vbeamsspaced out. BUT, this time with consistent sunscreen use.

No problemo!

And dude, your scarring isn't bad at all. I'm sure a fewsubcision+ suction and needling sessions can do the trick, filler to seal the deal for good. But you might not even need it. (i'm all about a positive outlook)

I was thinking of a lower strength TCA peel to enhance collagen induction together with needling after I've done subcision. I'd schedule 6 treatments of 15% TCA peel with a professional, one every month and do the needling inbetween. Something like this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3996784/

It would probably look something like this:

1. Subcision, followed by needling the next day then suctioning for 2 weeks.

2. TCA peel 2-4 weeks after subcision

3. Needling 2 weeks after TCA peel

4. TCA peel 2 weeks after needling

Up to a total of 6 sessions, and if I'm not happy then, another round of subcision (perhaps earlier if I'm not seeing results from TCA/needling).

I've given this some thought and it seems reasonable and within my budget.

Congrats on 1000 posts btw, for what its worth lol.

31 minutes ago, FriskyCreek said:

I was thinking of a lower strength TCA peel to enhance collagen induction together with needling after I've done subcision. I'd schedule 6 treatments of 15% TCA peel with a professional, one every month and do the needling inbetween. Something like this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3996784/

It would probably look something like this:

1. Subcision, followed by needling the next day then suctioning for 2 weeks.

2. TCA peel 2-4 weeks after subcision

3. Needling 2 weeks after TCA peel

4. TCA peel 2 weeks after needling

Up to a total of 6 sessions, and if I'm not happy then, another round of subcision (perhaps earlier if I'm not seeing results from TCA/needling).

I've given this some thought and it seems reasonable and within my budget.

Congrats on 1000 posts btw, for what its worth lol.

TBH TBH, you can administer your own peels. I would also consider spot treatments because the rest of your face is flawless, don't mess with it, I say. Peels, it's incredibly easy to do them...don't waste time with professionals with this one. A mere 3 videos and a one-page reading can give you a good insight on how to perform them!

$30 (on your own) vs $500+ for 6 sessions with a professional.

Needling - consider the derminator or stamp $180or $15 vs professional needling $500+++ for 6+~ treatments

your protocol is solid and bound to give you results. I must emphasize thatthe suctioning is incumbent!

otherwise you're good

and thanks, lol