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Seems complicated. Traditional Nokor has proven to give results...
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yeah, I couldn't quite get the concept, but I was curious as to what a performing doctor would say/think about it.
So what are we here? Day 6, I suppose! Most of the swelling has gone down. There are multiple hard lumps under the areas where subcision was performed (more so on the right cheek). Bruising is subsiding some and is mostly just leaving my face with a lovely radioactive-looking yellow/green now. I have still been suctioning two and sometimes three times daily. I know there's still likely microswelling and that collagen takes a while to work it's magic, but I think the results will be quite good once the nodules take their leave 
Exciting!
On 2/28/2015 at 12:22 AM, Robertitoo said:Seems complicated. Traditional Nokor has proven to give results...
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roberitoo - nokor needles are good for what I would call "traditional" subcision where they just attack the scars directly. However there's a different approach some doctors use where they make a tiny incision and then subcise the whole area underneath breaking up the bands - supposedly it works better that doing just specific scars.
On 2/28/2015 at 11:42 AM, anonuser said:On 2/28/2015 at 12:22 AM, Robertitoo said:Seems complicated. Traditional Nokor has proven to give results...
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roberitoo - nokor needles are good for what I would call "traditional" subcision where they just attack the scars directly. However there's a different approach some doctors use where they make a tiny incision and then subcise the whole area underneath breaking up the bands - supposedly it works better that doing just specific scars.
It's probable. My doctor supposedly uses the 'multi layer approach'. I think he targets the scars directly, one by one then does the whole area for reassurance. I would call it aggressive subcision.
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Yea. I'm pretty sure my doctor does direct then whole.
Epidermis & Subdermis
Okay, I've completely lost count now - Day...9 apparently?
Most of the swelling has subsided by now and I'm back to my thin face (sigh). As much as I wanted the swelling to go down enough to make it comfortable, I didn't want it to go away altogether. Enter extra-strength aspirin. I took one yesterday morning and a couple last night before bed and I had a bit more swelling again this morning - not much, but some. I will also continue to take the aspirin to help with the bruising (aspirin prolongs the life of bruises).
I've been using the copper peptide serum from owndoc each night - while I've heard that it's more helpful after dermarolling (to really absorb in the skin), I thought it couldn't hurt. Hard to say if it's doing anything, but it's not producing any negative results, so I will continue.
One thing to note about the lumps: It feels a bit funny to the touch. If you've ever had dental work done, you can understand the feeling I'm talking about. It's that cold/coming out of numbness kind of feeling that you get if you touch your cheek when the anaesthetic is just starting to wear off. The bigger the nodule is under my skin, the more I have this feeling there - with other smaller lumps it's only slight. I don't feel that way if I touch my cheek in a normal fashion with a bit more pressure (such as when I'm using gauze to clean my face), but rather if I just touch the area gently with my fingertips. I don't know if it's normal, but I can't say I'm particularly concerned right now - just something to note.
I still feel the tingling feeling in my face that other people have noted and I'd like to think it's the collagen starting it's work
Also, I've gained about five steady pounds in the last week now. The collagen pills that I have been taking require you to take them with food, and a few hours apart from other medication, and since the ibuprofen that I was taking initially also required taking with food, I ended up eating at least five meals a day. Hopefully the weight will stop settling in my gut and move on up to my face
Okay, so I caught a glimpse of myself in a window reflection in natural light and I panicked a little - the nodules looked far more obvious right then. Of course then I searched Acne.org and found quite a few accounts of persons whose nodules hadn't gone away (one even after three years). I massaged the areas with these nodules tonight and I *feel* as though there's a slight improvement, and then I tried the more proactive approach, which was to research more about the actual nodules, rather than just peoples horror stories about them. I found this link here:
"Persistent nodules may rarely occur due to excessive fibrosis. If these do not reduce by 4 weeks intralesional triamcinolone 2.5mg/ml can be injected."
I don't think you're all daft, but just in case there is any question:
"Fibrosis is the formation of excess fibrous connective tissue in an organ or tissue in a reparative or reactive process.[1] This can be a reactive, benign, or pathological state. In response to injury this is called scarring..." (Wikipedia) and triamcinolone is a corticosteroid.
I, like many others, am pretty nervous about steroid injections, as that is what caused a lot of my rolling scars to begin with, but if anyone has any other options (I've heard about ultrasound therapy or liquid nitrogen too) they have had good experiences with, I'm all ears! In any case, I have a couple of more weeks until I really need fret about it.
Okay, so I caught a glimpse of myself in a window reflection in natural light and I panicked a little - the nodules looked far more obvious right then. Of course then I searched Acne.org and found quite a few accounts of persons whose nodules hadn't gone away (one even after three years). I massaged the areas with these nodules tonight and I *feel* as though there's a slight improvement, and then I tried the more proactive approach, which was to research more about the actual nodules, rather than just peoples horror stories about them. I found this link here: https://books.google.ca/books?id=1LGHAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=subcutaneous+nodules+subcision+treatment&source=bl&ots=sPOp9t16np&sig=17TXxgtobZqz3u029kfdh8JwhJc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-afyVPTzI9O4ogSVrYHIBg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=subcutaneous nodules subcision treatment&f=false "Persistent nodules may rarely occur due to excessive fibrosis. If these do not reduce by 4 weeks intralesional triamcinolone 2.5mg/ml can be injected."I don't think you're all daft, but just in case there is any question:"Fibrosis is the formation of excess fibrous connective tissue/url] in an organ or tissue in a reparative or reactive process.[1] This can be a reactive, benign, or pathological state. In response to injury this is called [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scar ]scarring..." (Wikipedia) and triamcinolone is a corticosteroid. I, like many others, am pretty nervous about steroid injections, as that is what caused a lot of my rolling scars to begin with, but if anyone has any other options (I've heard about ultrasound therapy or liquid nitrogen too) they have had good experiences with, I'm all ears!
Actually I had problems with nodules after subcision too. But after I did needling & dermastamping, my nodules disappeared. Don't stress, like I did Give it a month - two and try to needle them, if they won't change. And there is still the hydrocortisone in the worst case 
Good luck with your healing!
Okay, so I caught a glimpse of myself in a window reflection in natural light and I panicked a little - the nodules looked far more obvious right then. Of course then I searched Acne.org and found quite a few accounts of persons whose nodules hadn't gone away (one even after three years). I massaged the areas with these nodules tonight and I *feel* as though there's a slight improvement, and then I tried the more proactive approach, which was to research more about the actual nodules, rather than just peoples horror stories about them. I found this link here: https://books.google.ca/books?id=1LGHAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=subcutaneous+nodules+subcision+treatment&source=bl&ots=sPOp9t16np&sig=17TXxgtobZqz3u029kfdh8JwhJc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-afyVPTzI9O4ogSVrYHIBg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=subcutaneous nodules subcision treatment&f=false "Persistent nodules may rarely occur due to excessive fibrosis. If these do not reduce by 4 weeks intralesional triamcinolone 2.5mg/ml can be injected."I don't think you're all daft, but just in case there is any question:"Fibrosis is the formation of excess fibrous connective tissue/url] in an organ or tissue in a reparative or reactive process.[1] This can be a reactive, benign, or pathological state. In response to injury this is called [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scar ]scarring..." (Wikipedia) and triamcinolone is a corticosteroid. I, like many others, am pretty nervous about steroid injections, as that is what caused a lot of my rolling scars to begin with, but if anyone has any other options (I've heard about ultrasound therapy or liquid nitrogen too) they have had good experiences with, I'm all ears! In any case, I have a couple of more weeks until I really need fret about it.
Actually I had problems with nodules after subcision too. But after I did needling & dermastamping, my nodules disappeared. Don't stress, like I did Give it a month - two and try to needle them, if they won't change. And there is still the hydrocortisone in the worst case Good luck with your healing!
That's excellent Thank you! Can you tell me where you got your dermastamp? And do you use any topical numbing agent?
On 3/1/2015 at 11:03 PM, MissBiscuit said:On 3/1/2015 at 10:29 PM, Liberte said:On 3/1/2015 at 11:59 AM, MissBiscuit said:Okay, so I caught a glimpse of myself in a window reflection in natural light and I panicked a little - the nodules looked far more obvious right then. Of course then I searched Acne.org and found quite a few accounts of persons whose nodules hadn't gone away (one even after three years). I massaged the areas with these nodules tonight and I *feel* as though there's a slight improvement, and then I tried the more proactive approach, which was to research more about the actual nodules, rather than just peoples horror stories about them. I found this link here: https://books.google.ca/books?id=1LGHAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=subcutaneous+nodules+subcision+treatment&source=bl&ots=sPOp9t16np&sig=17TXxgtobZqz3u029kfdh8JwhJc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-afyVPTzI9O4ogSVrYHIBg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=subcutaneous nodules subcision treatment&f=false "Persistent nodules may rarely occur due to excessive fibrosis. If these do not reduce by 4 weeks intralesional triamcinolone 2.5mg/ml can be injected."I don't think you're all daft, but just in case there is any question:"Fibrosis is the formation of excess fibrous connective tissue/url] in an organ or tissue in a reparative or reactive process.[1] This can be a reactive, benign, or pathological state. In response to injury this is called [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scar ]scarring..." (Wikipedia) and triamcinolone is a corticosteroid. I, like many others, am pretty nervous about steroid injections, as that is what caused a lot of my rolling scars to begin with, but if anyone has any other options (I've heard about ultrasound therapy or liquid nitrogen too) they have had good experiences with, I'm all ears! In any case, I have a couple of more weeks until I really need fret about it.
Actually I had problems with nodules after subcision too. But after I did needling & dermastamping, my nodules disappeared. Don't stress, like I did Give it a month - two and try to needle them, if they won't change. And there is still the hydrocortisone in the worst case Good luck with your healing!
That's excellent Thank you! Can you tell me where you got your dermastamp? And do you use any topical numbing agent?
Dermastamp: Titanium Derma Micro Needle Stamp Skin Care Scars Acne Pits Wrinkles Therapy [Edited link out]
I just purchased this one
Numb Cream: Here [Edited link out]
not to get off topic but a couple of years ago i ordered a needle pack from owndoc i think and did my own subcision ...my face was so bruised and swelled up i looked horrible ...i went to gym next day u should have seen the looks i got ...none of my results lasted or worked though but i had no idea what i was doing
Not entirely off-topic, Rob_X_22 We're all after the same results, after all!
As for the lumps - the needling/dermastamping, I have heard a lot of great things about this. I think I'll definitely be trying it out. As for ice/heat, I decided to research how to break down excess scar tissue (since that is all that these lumps really are, from what I've read). There are some interesting techniques in here for massaging scar tissue:
http://www.strive4impact.com/massage_files/Articles/massage_scar_tissue.html
It also seems to explain why I've been having the numb-kind of feeling in the areas with the nodules.
Not entirely off-topic, Rob_X_22 We're all after the same results, after all!
As for the lumps - the needling/dermastamping, I have heard a lot of great things about this. I think I'll definitely be trying it out. As for ice/heat, I decided to research how to break down excess scar tissue (since that is all that these lumps really are, from what I've read). There are some interesting techniques in here for massaging scar tissue:
http://www.strive4impact.com/massage_files/Articles/massage_scar_tissue.html
It also seems to explain why I've been having the numb-kind of feeling in the areas with the nodules.
Don't worry about it, yet...don't massage or do anything out of the ordinary. The last thing you want is your scars to fully re-tether; 10 days is nothing. Give it 2-3 months then if problem still persist, then you can worry about it!
Not entirely off-topic, Rob_X_22 We're all after the same results, after all!
As for the lumps - the needling/dermastamping, I have heard a lot of great things about this. I think I'll definitely be trying it out. As for ice/heat, I decided to research how to break down excess scar tissue (since that is all that these lumps really are, from what I've read). There are some interesting techniques in here for massaging scar tissue:
http://www.strive4impact.com/massage_files/Articles/massage_scar_tissue.html
It also seems to explain why I've been having the numb-kind of feeling in the areas with the nodules.
Don't worry about it, yet...don't massage or do anything out of the ordinary. The last thing you want is your scars to fully re-tether; 10 days is nothing. Give it 2-3 months then if problem still persist, then you can worry about it!
There's no worry about that! Haha One of them is much bigger than a toonie (for the Canadians)/ 50 cent piece (for the Aussies)/ 2 pound coin or 50 pence (for the British)....I'm all out of coins to compare it to. In any case, it's big. And not just in diameter, as the depth is more so than some of my worst cysts (and I used to get some huge ones!).
Can you upload a pic of it? Curious to what it looks like. Did it take place in a scarred area? I assume it did
WE NEED A chat room
Per your request, I acquiesce. We're all in this together, I suppose!
Note that it's more red in this side-on photo because I had been holding a warm cloth to it. It's hard to capture the immensity of this beast in photograph.
damn now that is some bruising ...how old are you 23?
Oh my, you definitely have a place in my good books, Rob_X_22 
I'm 29.
As per the earlier suggestion, I iced the biggest nodule last night before I went to bed, and it reduced dramatically by this morning. It's still definitely there, but far less noticeable now.
And oh yes - I bruised like a Georgia peach! And they're still going strong haha I'm mostly just yellow and grey looking now, with the darkest bruising being under my eyes (travelled south from my forehead site).
I think I did mention how much the procedure cost me, but just in case, I paid $420. That was only meant to be for 30 minutes, but I think the dr bit off more than he could chew in that time, so he spent 55 minutes on me without charging any extra (which is good because I would have put up one hell of a fight if he tried to charge me for more time than I agreed to).
West Coast of Canada.
I hope you're right about the skin healing - I feel like between a couple of rounds of accutane and one horrific experience with dermabrasion, my facial skin doesn't do much for me anymore. But here's hoping! I've started to eat better and drink more water, along with taking vitamins, so...we'll see!
