I'm glad to hear you've had such success with TCA.
I appreciate that.
But, at the same time, I'm sure you've read some of the TCA horror stories on here as well.
Horror? Can't say that I have. I did, however, read a few not-so-great experiences, but they were of people performing the TCA CROSS method on themselves -- which I'm strongly against.
It's such a very powerful acid, and so the procedure seems to need to be so delicate, especially on small areas like pores.
I'd say it's much more a question of experience, precision and steady hand, than it is delicacy. Personally, the pores/scarred pores on my nose are what healed the best. Obviously, it's not the same for everyone and the size and depth of the pore(s) are a huge factor. As I mentioned in my last update: I have icepick scars that have shrunk to a diameter so small, that Pauline (Rene is gone) no longer wants to risk CROSSING them, for fear of enlarging them.
Therefore, unless my pore is significantly larger than normal, I wouldn't even consider risking it.
And so I'm curious about this Rene's procedure. Granted, I realize you aren't doing it yourself and probably can't see what she's actually doing to your skin as she's doing it, as much detail as you can give of her technique would be much appreciated.Does she whittle the toothpick down super narrow?
Particular toothpick technique? Like Does it feel like she's pushing it deep and hard into pore? Whittling the toothpick can make it very sharp, so can break the skin (and also not hold as much TCA.)
Honestly, there's not much I can really say, that's not already general knowledge, when it comes to this procedure; it's pretty straight forward. Rene and Pauline both applied the TCA to the middle of the scars/pores with precision. They were both very focused, swift (which I assume comes with experience, since they both have been CROSSING for quite some time) and never pressed hard.
They did not use toothpicks; it's a type of medical stick that is longer, shaped differently and not whittled. The top of it was the size of a pencil and the tip is pretty narrow, therefore there was really no need for either of them to spread the skin surrounding the scars/pores
Does she dunk or soak the tip in the TCA, then blot away the excess from beneath the tip of the toothpick?
Of course lol. Or else one would risk the TCA dripping onto the patient's skin. If ever you see the person you have entrusted to perform this treatment not doing that, fucking bail.
Is the frosting you see on the pores totally on the inside only? Or...did was it sometimes visible on the skin surrounding the pore?
Frost only develops on the area where one has been pricked with the TCA; it's like your scar/pore turns into a whitehead, for lack of a better comparison.
Lotta questions, I know. Just exciting this procedure has been successful for you, and want to try to iron out the techniques that make a successful session successful. : )Thanks!
Not a problem. If ever you have more questions, feel free to drop by the thread and I'll be more than happy to answer them as best I can.
Here's a pic of where I'm coming from. You can see the pore which has been badly enlarged by a TCA attempt.
I'm having a difficult time seeing which pore was "badly" enlarged. :S Could it be the one on the right side of the nose? Looks like a tiny hole? I'm guessing. They all look like pretty small to me and, as I even mentioned earlier, I would never dream of having pores like that CROSSED in the first place, let alone see a professional wanting to. Way too small, way too risky.
I don't have any need to actually track down Bargman since there is still Barankin... hopefully...
Yeah, that's why I inserted the "if" in there, first -- I mainly said that in case there were members of this board who wanted to track down Dr. Bargman's whereabouts.
I took a couple more pictures. I hope that these don't change your opinion that TCA could help me but please be honest, I can take it. These pics are a little better so you can see "the situation" more clearly.
Mild icepick scarring, is mild icepick scarring; my opinion remains the same.
I know you said if, I just meant that I personally don't have enough motivation to track this guy down. Sorry, feel like that was misunderstood
I'm going to phone Barankin today for a consultation and I am going to make it very clear that I'm interested in Cross. I don't have enough downtime for lasers and honestly, it looks very painful. Scabs on my face I can deal with because I'll know after a few days they will fall off and my skin will start to get better, little by little. (I don't expect miracles. I know it won't be overnight but I have read nothing bad about this method when done carefully by an experienced hand.)
I hope Barankins opinion is the same as yours.
Btw, the word mild has never sounded so sweet! Sure, it's followed by scarring but still, mild. Miiiiiild.
I know you said if, I just meant that I personally don't have enough motivation to track this guy down. Sorry, feel like that was misunderstood
I know what you meant and did not misunderstand; again, I was merely pointing out to those browsing this thread/board (while replying to you) that a good way to track Dr. Bargman is through the Baywood Clinic, since he used to work there and now has set up a private practice. What I don't understand is how that would make anyone feel like I've misunderstood lol. Regardless, let's move on.
I'm going to phone Barankin today for a consultation and I am going to make it very clear that I'm interested in Cross. I don't have enough downtime for lasers and honestly, it looks very painful.
I've had laser done a couple of times to smooth out a scar and it wasn't very painful. Actually, the pain/burning sensation was similar to the one I'd feel from the CROSS. Having said that, as I mentioned in this thread, I've never been a big fan of lasers, especially not for icepick scarring. In my personal opinion, they're great for smoothing out rough edges and whatnot, to help the scar blend in with its surrounding skin, but that's about it.
I hope Barankins opinion is the same as yours.
Feel free to keep us updated. 🙂
But, at the same time, I'm sure you've read some of the TCA horror stories on here as well.
Horror? Can't say that I have. I did, however, read a few not-so-great experiences, but they were of people performing the TCA CROSS method on themselves -- which I'm strongly against.
There are plenty of TCA Cross horror stories on this forum, and I am one of them. I also had mine done by an experienced dermatologist. I just hate for people not to be aware of the risks involved with this procedure. Everyone is different, and you never know how your skin is going to react. People need to be aware of these risks, as well as the success stories. Personally, I would never recommend this procedure to anyone, especially for small pores on your nose, areas with many scars close together, or for wider shallow boxcar scars. For example, if I was TinGuy, I wouldn't risk it.
There are plenty of TCA Cross horror stories on this forum, and I am one of them.
I'm sorry to hear about your horrible experience with the TCA CROSS. What exactly occurred, though? Was the derm experienced overall, or experienced with the CROSS method?
Because, unless they screwed up, didn't have the proper technique or the scarring isn't exactly suited for the CROSS, I can't imagine how a horror story could happen under a derm who is experienced in the TCA CROSS method. As I documented in this thread, even I had a few bumps in the road; I saw one of my scars enlarge due to TCA, and simply waited for my next treatment and pointed it out. It was recrossed and, with time, shrunk again.
The stories on here that you're referring to might have surfaced in the last couple of years, because I recall perusing through the TCA topics on this board for years, before finally deciding to go through with it. And I never read anything about someone with mild icepick scarring, going to an experienced derm, and having a horrible experience; most either performed the CROSS on themselves, had scarring that wasn't suited for it, or both.
That being said, that doesn't mean that I'm not aware of the risks involved with this procedure; like any other procedure, there are risks. I've said numerous times in this thread that if you perform the method on yourself, or have it done on scarring that isn't suited for the technique (ie. boxcar, very small pores, etc.), or both, you're playing with fire. I've constantly advised against it -- just like I did with SuperSecret.
TinGuy, however, does have mild icepick/pitted scarring (last picture he posted showcases them) and it's up to him if he wants to go through with it. Every treatment has its risks. They have access to the same board, topics and search button, as you and I. If there are "plenty" of horror stories on this forum, they shouldn't be too hard to find, right?
One should always do proper research, as I did, before going through with any kind of cosmetic procedure -- especially one involving freaking acid. I've also underlined, many times in this thread, that one should have ONE scar TESTED/CROSSED first, before venturing into the full treatment, as to get an idea of how they would react to it. Even though, I would imagine, that these things go without saying.
There are plenty of TCA Cross horror stories on this forum, and I am one of them.I'm sorry to hear about your horrible experience with the TCA CROSS. What exactly occurred, though? Was the derm experienced overall, or experienced with the CROSS method?
Because, unless they screwed up, didn't have the proper technique or the scarring isn't exactly suited for the CROSS, I can't imagine how a horror story could happen under a derm who is experienced in the TCA CROSS method. As I documented in this thread, even I had a few bumps in the road; I saw one of my scars enlarge, and simply waited for my next treatment and simply pointed it out. It was recrossed and, with time, shrunk again.
The stories on here that you're referring to might have surfaced in the last couple of years, because I recall perusing through the TCA topics this board for years, before finally deciding to go through with it. And I never read anything about someone with mild icepick scarring, going to an experienced derm, and having a horrible experience.
That being said, that doesn't mean that I'm not aware of the risks involved with this procedure; like any other procedure, there are risks. I've said numerous times in this thread that if you perform the method on yourself, or have it done on scarring that isn't suited for the technique (ie. boxcar, very small pores, etc.), or both, you're playing with fire. I've constantly advised against it -- just like I did with SuperSecret.
TinGuy, however, does have mild icepick/pitted scarring (last picture he posted showcases them) and it's up to him if he wants to go through with it. Every treatment has its risks. They have access to the same board, topics and search button, as you and I. One should always do proper research, as I did, before going through with any kind of cosmetic procedures. Especially one involving freaking acid.
I've also underlined, many times in this thread, that one should have ONE scar TESTED/CROSSED first, before venturing into the full treatment, as to get an idea of how they would react to it.
Sam,
If you look at my gallery, you can see the after effects on my left cheek. The pictures are not the best because I didn't want to take pictures back then and only took one when I was experimenting with makeup as I tried to cover the deeper pits on my face. I don't have any pictures of what happened on my other cheek because it was extremely traumatizing for me. The damage was more extensive on my other cheek. I had a lot of small ice picks treated on that cheek that were fairly close together, and my skin caved in those areas a few weeks after the procedure. There is also a clinical article posted by TimJames to the forum that shows a patient who had a similar reaction as mine.
I did do a test spot a few weeks before I decided to proceed with both cheeks. My doctor treated 3-4 scars during my test spot. My skin reacted poorly when all my scars were treated at once.
If you search through the forum from posts over the last 2 years or so, you will find horror stories.
With the above said, I absolutely wouldn't risk it if I were TinGuy. I hope I am entitled to an opinion, just like you Sam. If I had a few ice pick scars (like your scarring) scattered with a good amount of distance between them, I might try TCA Cross again. TinGuy has a mixture of ice pick and boxcar scars that are very close together. Based on my experience with having 90% TCA dropped into the base of my scars that were close together, I would be scared to try it. I also researched TCA Cross for several years before having the procedure. I'm not ignorant or naive. I was extremely careful, and traveled to Los Angeles from Japan to have the procedure done. I really believed in it, at the time. Ultimately, it is TinGuy's decision, and just want to be sure he's aware of the possible risks and reality of what could occur.
My experience with cross wasn't that negative, but not positive either (so to sum up, negative in the sense that I didn't get the results I wanted). I didn't have a horror experience, but I hardly saw any change in my scars after a few treatments, and now I wouldn't want to take the risk anymore because in my case it isn't worth it. But then, I don't think my scarring is suitable for TCA cross in the end - I don't have deep, narrow ice-picks, but wider and shallower scars and treating them with acid doesn't seem to improve them in any way. Also a couple of scars that were close together looked like they might join and create a much more noticeable conglomerate scar if I had more treatments, so I also wouldn't recommend cross on scars very close together. One scar got noticeably, though not nightmarishly, worse after a scab fell off prematurely in my sleep. Keeping scabs on long enough is very important during the recovery, and I don't think it's highlighted enough.
I think my skin may have become more prone to scarring since my treatments - I had two full-face TCA peels as well, done by a professional. However, I can't really know if the peels are the reason or if it is just other factors like stress and aging etc.
I don't know why Inspired's reaction was as bad as it was, but I'm sure she's not the only case and hearing about it certainly made me more convinced that further TCA cross treatments are not worth the risks in my case.
Sam,If you look at my gallery, you can see the after effects on my left cheek. The pictures are not the best because I didn't want to take pictures back then and only took one when I was experimenting with makeup as I tried to cover the deeper pits on my face. I don't have any pictures of what happened on my other cheek because it was extremely traumatizing for me. The damage was more extensive on my other cheek. I had a lot of small ice picks treated on that cheek that were fairly close together, and my skin caved in those areas a few weeks after the procedure. There is also a clinical article posted by TimJames to the forum that shows a patient who had a similar reaction as mine.
Once again, I'm sorry that your experience with the TCA CROSS wasn't positive.
Unfortunately, I can't really comment on what could have went wrong, as far as your icepick scarring is concerned, since there are no before pictures/pictures of your other cheek. From what I can see, you do have a lot boxcar scarring, though. Whether they were like that before the CROSS, I don't know. But, I did see your "Pre-Cross" photo (of your left cheek), and there's definitely numerous boxcars. They also do not seem too close to one-another; there seems to be sufficient space between them and spread similar as mine. Having said that, getting scars that are extremely close to each-other CROSSED could be problematic.
What I do know, is that 1 mm punctuated holes (such as mild icepick scarring) is the scarring most suited for this treatment. I also see that you are of Asian ethnicity, and I did read that medium type skin works the best with this method; other types can be risky. Your scars looked as if they got deeper and not larger (from the pictures you posted).
Again, I'm just speculating, since I do not have any visual of your other cheek, where the icepick scarring is, to go on.
I did do a test spot a few weeks before I decided to proceed with both cheeks. My doctor treated 3-4 scars during my test spot. My skin reacted poorly when all my scars were treated at once.
A test spot should always be one (icepick) scar.
I'm starting to strongly believe that the issue was your skin and scarring type. If this derm was truly experienced with the TCA CROSS method, they would have known from the get go that treating you would be risky.
With the above said, I absolutely wouldn't risk it if I were TinGuy. I hope I am entitled to an opinion, just like you Sam.
Of course you are.
Personally, if I was TinGuy, I'd have one of my icepicks CROSSED as a test, and keep the boxcars/other scarring away from the CROSS.
If I had a few ice pick scars (like your scarring) scattered with a good amount of distance between them, I might try TCA Cross again. TinGuy has a mixture of ice pick and boxcar scars that are very close together.
As-long as the boxcars and what not are left alone, and there is reasonable space between the icepicks, he shouldn't be prone to what happened to you.
I also researched TCA Cross for several years before having the procedure. I'm not ignorant or naive. I was extremely careful, and traveled to Los Angeles from Japan to have the procedure done. I really believed in it, at the time. Ultimately, it is TinGuy's decision, and just want to be sure he's aware of the possible risks and reality of what could occur.
I'm sure you were. Unfortunately, some times we find out the hard way that something is not suited for us; it sucks that it happened to you, but these are the risks we take when trying to repair are scarring. I wish there were procedures that were risk free, but this isn't the case.
I don't have deep, narrow ice-picks, but wider and shallower scars and treating them with acid doesn't seem to improve them in any way. Also a couple of scars that were close together looked like they might join and create a much more noticeable conglomerate scar if I had more treatments, so I also wouldn't recommend cross on scars very close together.
Definitely not suited for the TCA CROSS, in my opinion.
One scar got noticeably, though not nightmarishly, worse after a scab fell off prematurely in my sleep. Keeping scabs on long enough is very important during the recovery, and I don't think it's highlighted enough.
Actually, the length of time the scabs remain intact and the significance this has seems to vary among patient; some derms who perform this treatment, including mine, have even told me that it doesn't matter.
From my experience, I can tell you that some scabs that fell off early resulted in more improved scars, than ones that stayed on longer, and vice versa. Unless you rip it out yourself on the second day, I don't think it's possible to say what and what doesn't constitute as a scab falling off prematurely, as far as the ones that develop after the CROSS are concerned. The general consensus seems to be that they start to form and fall off within the first week or two. This tends to be the case for me.
Having said that, unless you sleep in a coffin, it's hard to have any control over what can happen to your scabs while you're sleeping. I sleep on my face, and never had a scar worsen due to a scab falling off "early".
I think my skin may have become more prone to scarring since my treatments - I had two full-face TCA peels as well, done by a professional. However, I can't really know if the peels are the reason or if it is just other factors like stress and aging etc.
I don't think the TCA CROSS or chemical peels, and the fact that you have become more prone to scarring, are related. Especially not the CROSS, since it's a spot treatment, and doesn't/shouldn't affect the rest of your skin.
I don't know why Inspired's reaction was as bad as it was, but I'm sure she's not the only case and hearing about it certainly made me more convinced that further TCA cross treatments are not worth the risks in my case.
From what you described, your type of scarring is what convinces me that TCA CROSS treatments aren't for you.
I'm really sorry to hear about your experience, and hope that you do, eventually, find a procedure that will help with your scarring.
I wish you much luck and patience.
Yes, I agree that TCA cross doesn't suit my scarring. I wish I'd known it beforehand and my expectations wouldn't have been so high. And I agree that Cross definitely couldn't have caused any change in my proneness to scarring, since it is a spot treatment. I'm glad it seems to have worked for you. Also, it's very interesting and somewhat relieving that in your experience, scabs falling off earlier during sleep haven't affected the recovery. Like I said, the worsening in my scar was noticeable, but not terribly noticeable, and some of it might just have been in my head since I blamed myself for not being careful enough. The scab fell off after around five or six days, whereas all my other scabs fell off around 10-18 days after the treatment. Overall, cross wasn't really a negative experience other than the fact that I didn't get improvements and that one scar got worse.
Yes, I agree that TCA cross doesn't suit my scarring. I wish I'd known it beforehand and my expectations wouldn't have been so high. And I agree that Cross definitely couldn't have caused any change in my proneness to scarring, since it is a spot treatment. I'm glad it seems to have worked for you. Also, it's very interesting and somewhat relieving that in your experience, scabs falling off earlier during sleep haven't affected the recovery. Like I said, the worsening in my scar was noticeable, but not terribly noticeable, and some of it might just have been in my head since I blamed myself for not being careful enough. The scab fell off after around five or six days, whereas all my other scabs fell off around 10-18 days after the treatment. Overall, cross wasn't really a negative experience other than the fact that I didn't get improvements and that one scar got worse.
Wow, 10-18 days? My scabs are gone by the end of the second week, at the latest.
I'm sure you'll eventually find a procedure that will improve your type of scarring, austra. Keep your head up -- metaphorically and literally speaking. 🙂
Yes, I agree that TCA cross doesn't suit my scarring. I wish I'd known it beforehand and my expectations wouldn't have been so high. And I agree that Cross definitely couldn't have caused any change in my proneness to scarring, since it is a spot treatment. I'm glad it seems to have worked for you. Also, it's very interesting and somewhat relieving that in your experience, scabs falling off earlier during sleep haven't affected the recovery. Like I said, the worsening in my scar was noticeable, but not terribly noticeable, and some of it might just have been in my head since I blamed myself for not being careful enough. The scab fell off after around five or six days, whereas all my other scabs fell off around 10-18 days after the treatment. Overall, cross wasn't really a negative experience other than the fact that I didn't get improvements and that one scar got worse.
Wow, 10-18 days? My scabs are gone by the end of the second week, at the latest.
I'm sure you'll eventually find a procedure that will improve your type of scarring, austra. Keep your head up -- metaphorically and literally speaking.
Thank you, Sam. 🙂 I do hope I'll find a treatment that will be effective for my scarring. And yeah, I tend to have scabs on for a really long time. I'm starting to think it could be thyroid issues, actually.
My scabs stayed on for a painfully long time too. It was at least two weeks. Pure torture!
Someone posted to the forum a few months ago about his/her scabs taking 3-4 months to fall off, and the person wanted to know when it would be safe for a second treatment. I would think that's a thyroid issue. I don't think 2+ weeks is uncommon though.
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It was 4 months. Here's the thread:
I read your posts, Inspired, when you posted them. You gave me a lot to think about and that is why I hadn't replied yet. I'm still gonna talk to the dermatologist and see what he thinks is best and if he thinks cross will help. Depending on his opinion, I'll make my decision.
To be perfectly honest, while these scars do bother me, I have some hypertrophic scars on my nose that bother me muuuuch more. Slathering on silicone gel for the past week and a half looks like its helping but I don't want to get ahead of myself and say for sure. If those go away, I could live with these scars on my cheeks. What I'm saying is, I will definately consider your warnings Inspired and I really appreciate hearing from both sides.
Toronto Dermatology Center does it. They do it a lot from what the lady on the phone told me. She said I need to get a referral from a doctor (gonna just swing by a walk in tonight) and then the doctor there can check me out. Who knows, maybe TCA Cross isn't even suited for me. I will talk to him and weigh the options but this is definately the treatment I would be most interested in. I will keep you informed but I don't know when my consultation would be.
Again, thank you everyone for your opinions, warnings and encouragement. Have a good day
To those of you who have had scabs on for two weeks or more: What were you putting on your crossed areas, post-TCA-CROSS treatment?
I use a cream called Cicaplast (both Rene and Pauline recommended it to me); it helps speed up recovery from cosmetic procedures, including scabs from the CROSS method.
I had some regular moisturizer after my cross combined with a full-face TCA peel. I had to keep the scabbing moisturized enough, so it wouldn't start to crack (my whole face was basically one big scab, so it would've started cracking due to normal facial expressions etc without a moisturizer). I hardly used anything when I had only the Cross. I may have moisturized the scabs a little bit, but I can't remember.
And now that I think about it, it actually took me around 12-21 days for all the scabs to fall off. When I had the peel on top of the cross, it took me only 14 days (still, I was told it would only be a week). My doctor said afterwards he could tell it would take a long time, because my skin texture is very fine (and also sensitive for scarring) so that it just does take me longer to heal. I do think my poor circulation and sluggish metabolism may have compounded the effect though. I've heard TCA peels generally work better for men with a rougher skin texture.
I've decided that next time I have a scar treatment, I'm going to experiment with niacin supplements for a few weeks (the flush kind), to improve the circulation in my skin during the recovery. Exercise would help just as well, but I know myself and I'm not going to make it to the gym or out for a jog when my face is very red or scabbed up.
I used Aquaphor, and then followed that up with a deep hydrating cream once the scabs had *finally* fallen off. I may just take longer to heal, and have issues with circulation too. My feet tend to fall asleep pretty easily, so I assume that's a sign a poor circulation. My metabolism has slowed as well with age. I was 38 when I had TCA Cross done. I think age plays a big part in this for me as well.
TCA Peels take about 10 days for me to peel as well. I haven't done one in more than a year though, and don't plan to do that to my skin again. I also wonder if all the treatments I had prior to TCA Cross contributed to my complications. I had three TCA peels done, followed by 5 microdermabrasion sessions, at a medspa. I'd have to go back and look at the timing but I think I gave my skin 1.5 months downtime before trying TCA Cross. My doctor didn't seem concerned about my prior treatments complicating my TCA Cross results, so I didn't consider that at the time.
You guys should ask your derms about Cicaplast; it's made to accelerate the healing process, post cosmetic procedure. I apply it for the first week, and by week 2, I don't have any scabs left. I, now, won't have any treatment, without making sure I got some in my medicine cabinet.
And, as far as chemical peels are concerned, I have very sensitive skin/far from rough skin, and if I had the time to get one every month, I would -- it works wonders for my complexion. And I get the really, really deep ones done. Like, I'm talking 60% TCA. Downtime sucks for the first 2 or 3 days, but then it's all smooth sailing and positive results, from there.
Like, I'm talking 60% TCA. Downtime sucks for the first 2 or 3 days, but then it's all smooth sailing and positive results, from there.
Sorry but are you sure you meant to type 60% TCA for a peel?! The highest I've done is 25% once at a medspa, and the downtime was much longer than 2-3 days at that strength. I've never heard of anyone getting a 60% pure TCA peel.
I looked back at my receipts and it was actually 2.5 months between my 25% TCA peel and TCA Cross sessions. I did have 5 microdermabrasions plus facials between the treatments though.
Sorry but are you sure you meant to type 60% TCA for a peel?! The highest I've done is 25% once at a medspa, and the downtime was much longer than 2-3 days at that strength. I've never heard of anyone getting a 60% pure TCA peel.
Nope, 60% was the highest I've had. Obviously, I built up to it, making sure my skin could take that kind of strength (took a couple of years).
Not something I'd recommend doing too often, though; the risks are high. I've only done it twice, myself.
35 to 50% (considered the gold standard for chemical peels) is what I tend to go with.
To those of you who have had scabs on for two weeks or more: What were you putting on your crossed areas, post-TCA-CROSS treatment?
I use a cream called Cicaplast (both Rene and Pauline recommended it to me); it helps speed up recovery from cosmetic procedures, including scabs from the CROSS method.
I've been using terproline post treatment and just washing twice a day with water. I got told just to use a simple moisturiser by my doctor.
Did your strong peels help with any scarring?
Every peel I've ever had helped and contributed in getting rid of the marks/hyper-pigmentation left behind by breakouts.
It also helped with blackheads and my skin's overall complexion. As I said, wish I could have one every month. 😛
Did your strong peels help with any scarring?
Every peel I've ever had helped and contributed in getting rid of the marks/hyper-pigmentation left behind by breakouts.
It also helped with blackheads and my skin's overall complexion. As I said, wish I could have one every month.
I assume that means pigmentation marks rather than indented marks left by breakouts? Peels do help with complexion and non-inflamed acne so much. That's why I sort of feel tempted to have a TCA peel during the holidays, I know it would make my skin look great. I don't think I will though.