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Reaction/adjustment To Lower Ph Change?

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(@callendula)

Posted : 06/10/2014 6:19 pm

I've been using Neutrogena Unltra Gentle Foaming Face Wash for months now and it doesn;t make my skin dry or seem to have any ill effect on my skin as far as causing spots. My skin feels normal after using it. However, the pH range from the company says it is 5.6-6.8. When I tested it it with my pH strips (with water) it comes out at 7.

I've read that cleansers closer to our skin pH of 5 or so are best and higher ranges will disrupt the natural skin barrier which can lead to a malfunctional face. This leaves it open to bacteria and acne, etc. So, I wanted to try to change the pH. First, because I love the wash so much, I would add a drop of ACV to the gel in my palm, combine, and then wash my face. The pH this way is about 5. Well, after a few days of 2x a day washing, my skin is much drier and just seems "off" I don't think my skin likes ACV at all. I had a sample of PC earth source cleanser (pH 5.5) and I used that this morning. My skin still seemed drier than after my plain nuetrogena. I even put some PC hydralight lotion on afterwards and after several hours, my skin doesn't feel as supple.

My question is: While I know a lower pH is better...is my skin going to need an adjustment period to get used to the new pH? I just need some reassurenace if this is the case because I feel like I'm doing more harm than good (which is the complete opposite to what it's supposed to do). Has anyone noticed this effect after switching pHs??

When I use the neutrogena by itself, my skin feels normal. No dryness, no flakes,. So, is 7 really too high, harming the skin? This is causing me to question if the neutrogena is actually bad....

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and input.

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Posted : 06/10/2014 7:03 pm

Hmm, ok I can across some studies. One in particular seems to stretch the safe pH range to 6.5. And another says that including mildness enhancers and moisturizing agents help reduce damage to the skin. So, neutrogena ultra gentle does not have SLS in it but coco betaine. It also has glycerin. Maybe it isn't so bad. hmm Thoughts?

Abstract ( http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/18494892/ )

Skin-cleansing compositions based on alkyl carboxylates (soaps) have a higher irritation potential than those based on syndet surfactants such as alkyl isethionates or alkyl ether sulphates. Contributing factors include inherent differences in the irritation potential of soaps and syndet surfactants, pH-induced changes in surfactant solution chemistry, and the direct effects of pH on the physical properties of the stratum corneum (SC). Past work has not directly addressed the effect of solution pH on the SC itself and its potential role in cleanser-induced skin irritation. In the current work, alterations to SC properties induced by buffered pH solutions and two strongly ionizable surfactants, sodium dodecyl sulphate and sodium lauryl ether sulphate, at different pH values are measured. By utilizing optical coherence tomography (OCT) and infrared (IR) spectroscopy we have directly measured physical changes in SC proteins and lipids. Our results indicate that SC swelling, which reflects alterations to SC structural proteins, is increased significantly at pH 10, compared to pH 4 and 6.5. The transition temperature (T(m)) of SC lipids is found to increase at pH 10, compared to pH 4 and 6.5, suggesting a more rigid SC lipid matrix. Surfactants cause a further increase in swelling and lipid rigidity. Some aspects of what these results mean for SC physical properties as well as their implications to potential mechanisms of surfactant-induced skin irritation are discussed.

Abstract ( http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/14728695 )

Cleanser technology has come a long way from merely cleansing to providing mildness and moisturizing benefits as well. It is known that harsh surfactants in cleansers can cause damage to skin proteins and lipids, leading to after-wash tightness, dryness, barrier damage, irritation, and even itch. In order for cleansers to provide skin-care benefits, they first must minimize surfactant damage to skin proteins and lipids. Secondly, they must deposit and deliver beneficial agents such as occlusives, skin lipids, and humectants under wash conditions to improve skin hydration, as well as mechanical and visual properties. While all surfactants tend to interact to some degree with lipids, their interaction with proteins can vary significantly, depending upon the nature of their functional head group. In vitro, ex vivo, and in vivo studies have shown that surfactants that cause significant skin irritation interact strongly with skin proteins. Based on this understanding, several surfactants and surfactant mixtures have been identified as "less irritating" mild surfactants because of their diminished interactions with skin proteins. Surfactants that interact minimally with both skin lipids and proteins are especially mild. Another factor that can aggravate surfactant-induced dryness and irritation is the pH of the cleanser. The present authors' recent studies demonstrate that high pH (pH 10) solutions, even in the absence of surfactants, can increase stratum corneum (SC) swelling and alter lipid rigidity, thereby suggesting that cleansers with neutral or acidic pH, close to SC-normal pH 5.5, may be potentially less damaging to the skin. Mildness enhancers and moisturizing agents such as lipids, occlusives, and humectants minimize damaging interactions between surfactants, and skin proteins and lipids, and thereby, reduce skin damage. In addition, these agents play an ameliorative role, replenishing the skin lipids lost during the wash period. The present review discusses the benefits of such agents and their respective roles in improving the overall health of the skin barrier.

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