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It does help, bud. It seems that you took detox to an extreme, and you achieved desirable results. I'll like to follow in your footsteps but in simplified form. I'm considering a daily pint of diluted lemon juice, a pint of green tea, St. John's Wort 900 mg daily, fish oil [maybe], and a generally complex holistic diet.
There's a report to find on the web under ask bill sardi, called the
accutane report. I am having trouble getting the link here, but I have
it under my favorites on yahoo. Anyway, this guy talks about problems with accutane, but then lists a bunch of supplements to counter the effects of the drug, such as vit. E, hyarulonic acid (sp?) and some others that help heal the skin back to normal. Please don't do things that will bring back you acne after all your work on accutane. I will try to get the link.
I don't know about any dieting supplements or food sin general that will do the trick for producing more oil on your face, but I believe I have your hair solution. Redken makes a moisturizing shampoo and it definitely works, jesus christ it could leave my hair soft and silky looking for a week without washing my hair. I beleive it is under the name Redken For Men. They might also make it in the woman's as well, if you are a woman. They give away free samples at most department stores and high-end department stores. I got my first sample from Saks Fifth Avenue, but yet I have a friend who got his from Macy's. Just pretty much go where they sell Redken hair products, it will help you with your hair I think. Sorry to hear about your skin problem too! I knew it wasn't good to overdose on B5! I'm not going to stop other people from doing it, but I'm not going to do it, I decided that when I first read about it.
jakejohnson007 said:
This report is awesome! It's just perfect, exactly the sort of literature I have been looking for. I'm on page 5 of 20 so far. What's your opinion on this report's credibility/authority?
i too took Roaccutane and afterwards B5. My skin was excruciatingly dry after taking Roaccutane, but the oild returned. Then i took B5 that too made my skin dry but it returns after about 6 months. I took a 3month dose of B5 10gs per day.
However i would completely warn anyone NOT to take Roaccutane, that stuff FUCKS YOU UP!!!
One of my sons has pretty bad acne, especially on his chest. He's on
accutane even though we tried so many other things. It felt like a last
resort. But I was researching the web for things that could lessen the
side effects. He was off it for 2 weeks a while back and his skin seemed
better during that time....anyway, I found this report and it seemed like
it made sense about the supplements to help heal one's skin after using
the accutane. I hope it helps someone out there....
The only "benefit" you'll get from that is premature wrinkles and loss of elasticity. Specially not recommended to dry skin (subject at hand). Derms recommend 20 minutes of unprotected exposure a week. Besides, you can avoid all sun exposure entirely if you take a Vit D supplement.
The test said I was a mixed type. My body type, however, is very thin and tall, lean, with extremely small percentage of body fat. I can probably handle with ease those dietary appendages you suggested.
One thing that bothers me about the article pmezak posted is at the end, the author condones B5 megadoses as a "bona-fide" natural alternative to accutane. First of all, there is nothing natural about megadosing on a vitamin (10 g of B5 is 1,000 times the recommended daily dose found in a Centrum multivitamin). Second of all, the author has spent over fifteen pages ascribing all sorts of horrific, systemic side affects to vitamin A megadoses. The author's contrasting attitudes towards B5 megadoses and vitamin A megadoses seems hypocritical.
I'm eagerly looking into hyaluronic acid supplementation now thanks to this article and Jade.
This particular product has miffed me. It brags about containing both pantothetic acid and hyaluronic acid. Wouldn't these two agents counteract each other, or am I missing something? :
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001XU9YI/
Product Description
Enriched with vitamin B5, known to help with tissue repair, Hydrating B5 Gel replenishes nutrients the skin needs to feel smooth and appear younger. This moisture-enhancing gel contains hyaluronic acid, the bodys natural hydrator, to bind moisture to the skin. Hydrating B5 Gel is recommended for use with vitamin C treatments and will help maximize the benefits of your daily moisturizer.
SkinCeuticals Hydrating B5 Gel Benefits:
* Contains vitamin B5 to help with tissue repair and replenish nutrients
* Binds moisture to the skin with hyaluronic acid, a natural humectant
* Leaves skin feeling supple and smooth
* Maximizes the benefits of a daily moisturizer
* Recommended for use with vitamin C treatments
* Oil-free
* Ideal for all skin types
Jake,
Hmm, I suppose the thing most people should understand about B5 Therapy is that it's a mega dose for a SHORT period of time =P I've never done it, but isn't it only for 1 - 2 or 3 months? Then you are supposed to drop down to 1 - 2 g (this is safe) or less. Those are the specifics and I notice that a certain percentage of acne sufferers aren't doing this.
Furthermore, B5 has many properties one of which is hair growth, yet if you megadose, you could lose hair (if you aren't getting Biotin & other B Vitamins)...understand. Indeed, apparently moisturizing the skin topically is another one as I've seen other B5 serums on the market claiming the same thing.
If it concerns you, perhaps you would like to buy pure hyaluronic acid instead as well as take a vitamin formula that contains it.
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http://www.vitasprings.com/hyaluronic-acid-skin-care.html
http://www.purityproducts.com/product.asp?sku=355
http://www.purityproducts.com/product.asp?sku=134
Best wishes
We tried b5 in the high amounts for a while and it really didn't work
on my son. It felt like wasted time. I still think that acne is complicated,
and certainly don't like the idea of accutane. But his case is severe. That's why I keep coming back to this board to see if anyone is having
success with any method. I wonder if the hyaluronic acid does help...?
My cerbum has increased a lot lately, am not really sure why
but here goes anyway: I start my day whit yoghurt apple/banana
blended together, some times I use strawberry instead of an apple
I also take omega3, MSM about 500mg to 1000mg a day
plus 500mg C-long depot vitamin C
Diner, lots of olive oil, tomato, garlic, green/red peepers.
meat mostly chicken
sorry but cant spell the other ingredients in English. I also eat
pizzas ones in while. and drink way to mush coffee..
I have a feeling that the MSM together Vitamin C, has role in my
increased SEBUM Production, but I cant say for sure
giving my skin a break from tropicals including oils, and just weak
peel once in while, may also play a role.
Please forgive my writing, I am a little stoned this evening
Thx all.
Another question. Androgens increase sebum production. I read recently that working out (cardio and lifting) increase testosterone production in the body. First of all, is this true to a significant extent (it seems likely), and second of all, if it is true, will it result in the same set of effects as testosterone hormone replacement therapy? (i.e. increased muscularity, deepened voice, heighted sebaceous activity, heightened hormonal levels). Also, what would be the comparitive testosterone-raising magnitude difference between working out vigorously & often and taking testosterone replacement hormone?
I just picked up some Sundown brand Hyaluronic Acid tablets, 20 mg. I plan on taking 2 a day for the time being (the back says to take 1 to 4 a day), and then in a few months either discontinue or stay steady on 1 a day.
Jade, with B5 i don't think it's anywhere near as hazardous to use for 1-3 months in megadoses like you pointed out. However, I personally was on it for 9 months, and I am aware of certain users who have been on it for over a year. This sort of scenario I think has the potentential to be somewhat deleterious to one's long-term overall health.
Hi!
I'm not sure if someone mentioned this already or not...but perhaps you could try supplementing with 'Udo's Oil' or with Virgin Coconut Oil. I think that these are supposed to be very beneficial for 'moisturizing from the inside out.' You could find more info on this at curezone...also mercola.com and the udo's website.
Hope this helps!
after reading thru the posts on this topic, i'm left with a feeling of queasiness. While I am completely convinced acne (most cases) is related to diet, I truly think stuffing one's body with supplements (manufactured goodness knows how) is not only not beneficial but possibly toxic.
If something as frightening as the oil glands of the body basically pooping out, then you NEED to go to a doctor, a no bull-shit real doctor (ie NOT a derm), and figure out what the HECK is going on. Take a semester off from school (most universities are fine with this, especially for medical reasons), whatever, but this sounds like a medical problem and stuffing more vitamines is not helping the situation. Vitamines in large doses are known to be toxic. Sorry if I sound bitter about derms but my experiences with derms have basically been they're nothing but pushers working for kick back from dermik.
I'm a regular acne.org-er, but I found this thread via google.
I have the same problem as you Jake 
I had mild acne and was on Accutane at high doses. I had to stop my course due to such bad eczema. A year and a half later it is still with me!
My skin is so sensitive I cannot shower. I have to moisturize with heavy creams and emollionts several times a day. I must stay cooped up in my room with a humidifier on full blast.
Even so, my skin has giant patches of eczema craquele, atopic dermatitis, ichthyosis, etc. Basically my skin's lipid barrier is severely impaired from low sebum production. This leaves the stratum corneum open to abrasion and irritation from the slightest movements or environmental chemicals.
No lipid barrier also means my skin dehydrates very quickly--this is the main cause of the eczema.
IS YOUR SKIN STILL DRY? (YOUR POST IS SO OLD, I HOPE YOU REPLY)
The dry eyes you experienced before accutane was probably a b vitamin deficiency. Megadosing on one b vitamin will result in deficiencies in pretty much all the others because the b vitamins have very interdependent relationships. Dry eyes is a symptom of a b-2 deficiency, and you are not alone in experiencing that as a symptom of b-5 megadosing. It's not permanent though. Accutane, however, will cause all of the symptoms you describe, and potentially permanently, so I think that's what the problem is for you now.
Oil does not moisturize skin. You best bet for moisturizing your skin from the inside out is hyaluronic acid. It's the main natural moisturizing factor in all skin cells. It also plumps up the skins cells so there isn't room between cells for external factors to enter the skin and cause damage. Since you aren't making oil, I'd go with jojoba oil topically, just a couple drops is all you'll need, and you'll see the condition improve immediately. I used to have a problem with dryness to the point where a smile left painful reddened creases on my face for several minutes afterward, so I can relate. Jojoba fixed it for me in the mean time until I fixed my diet and routine so I didn't have that problem. In my case I was wasn't eating enough at all, and when I fixed that the problem went away gradually on it's own. I realize that's not your problem (or I assume it's not), but jojoba oil works just the same.
So to summarize:
jojoba oil topically
Hyaluronic acid supplements internally.
And you do need enough fats in your diet.
Saying that sebum doesn't moisturize the skin is misleading.
No, sebum doesn't actually add moisture to your skin. What it does do is create a lipid barrier. This waterproofs the outer most layer of dead skin. This prevents moisture loss to the atmosphere and keeps underlying skin layers from dehydrating.
It also protects the stratum corneum from abrasion. Without sebum the epidermis becomes easily irritated from clothing, movement, friction, etc.
So without sebum your skin WILL dehydrate. Unless you are in a very humid environment ALL the time (>60 percent relative humidity). But even people who live in humid climes have to deal with air conditioning, indoor air, etc. which is usually much less than 60 percent humidity.
Quick Facts:
--At less than 60 percent humidity your skin loses water to the atmosphere.
--At 60-70 percent humidity your skin can gain water from the atmosphere. Especially with the use of humectants.
--At 80+ humidity your skin tends to sweat, which through surface evaporation robs your skin of moisture and oils.
I read over and over again that people say all the b-vitamins work together etc, but this article states otherwise:
"The vitamin B-complex refers to all of the known essential water-soluble vitamins except for vitamin C. These include thiamine (vitamin B1), riboflavin (vitamin B2), niacin (vitamin B3), pantothenic acid (vitamin B5), pyridoxine (vitamin B6), biotin, folic acid and the cobalamins (vitamin B12).
"Vitamin B" was once thought to be a single nutrient that existed in extracts of rice, liver, or yeast. Researchers later discovered these extracts contained a few vitamins, which were given distinguishing numbers. Unfortunately, this has led to an erroneous belief among non-scientists that these vitamins have a special relationship to each other. Further adding to confusion has been the "unofficial" designation of other substances as members of the B-complex, such as choline, inositol, and para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA), even though they are not essential vitamins.
Each member of the B-complex has a unique structure and performs unique functions in the human body. Vitamins B1, B2, B3, and biotin participate in different aspects of energy production, vitamin B6 is essential for amino acid metabolism, and vitamin B12 and folic acid facilitate steps required for cell division. Each of these vitamins has many additional functions. However, contrary to popular belief, no functions require all B-complex vitamins simultaneously.
Human requirements for members of the B-complex vary considerably from 3 mcg per day for vitamin B12 to 18 mg per day for vitamin B3 in adult males, for example. Therefore, taking equal amounts of each one as provided in many B-complex supplements makes little sense. Furthermore, there is little evidence supporting the use of megadoses of B-complex vitamins to combat everyday stress, boost energy, or control food cravings, unless a person has a deficiency of one or more of them. Again, contrary to popular belief, there is no evidence indicating people should take all B vitamins to avoid an imbalance when one or more individual B vitamin is taken for a specific health condition.
Most multivitamin-mineral products contain the B-complex along with the rest of the essential vitamins and minerals. Since they are more complete than B-complex vitamins alone, multiple vitamin-mineral supplements are recommended to improve overall micronutrient intake and prevent deficiencies.
Are there any side effects or interactions?
Vitamin B-complex includes a few different components, each of which has the potential to interact with drugs. It is recommended that you discuss the use of vitamin B-complex and your current medication(s) with your doctor or chemist."
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Saying that sebum doesn't moisturize the skin is misleading.No, sebum doesn't actually add moisture to your skin. What it does do is create a lipid barrier. This waterproofs the outer most layer of dead skin. This prevents moisture loss to the atmosphere and keeps underlying skin layers from dehydrating.
But that doesn't do any good if your cells aren't able to take in moisture. That's where the hyaluronic acid comes in.
Saying that sebum doesn't moisturize the skin is misleading.No, sebum doesn't actually add moisture to your skin. What it does do is create a lipid barrier. This waterproofs the outer most layer of dead skin. This prevents moisture loss to the atmosphere and keeps underlying skin layers from dehydrating.
Really? I suppose that may be true in some vague theoretical sense, but I guess it has no real practical importance. Do you agree? Otherwise, dehydrated skin would be a CONSTANT problem for pre-pubertal children, who make almost no sebum. Correct?
It also protects the stratum corneum from abrasion. Without sebum the epidermis becomes easily irritated from clothing, movement, friction, etc.
Wow! Do pre-pubertal children (who produce little or no sebum) walk around 24 hours/day, 7 days/week, 365 days/year with irritated skin from clothing, movement, friction, etc.?
So without sebum your skin WILL dehydrate. Unless you are in a very humid environment ALL the time (>60 percent relative humidity).
Wow! So do ALL pre-pubertal children have dehydrated skin?
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