For some people it is. I cut out a lot of things from my diet to find the cause for my acne. And within a few days my skin was much much better. Ive been adding things slowly, although I havent tried any dairy yet, as I suspect that is the cause for my acne.

For some people it is. I cut out a lot of things from my diet to find the cause for my acne. And within a few days my skin was much much better. Ive been adding things slowly, although I havent tried any dairy yet, as I suspect that is the cause for my acne.

about 98% of people on this site will tell you it causes acne but for me it makes no difference at all. I drink about a gallon every three days, or four if im out a lot, and my skin is better right now than when i didnt drink that much, so its not affecting it at all. if your worried about it t and if you can get your hands on it, try raw milk, or if you cant get that try to get it from a health food store that sells milk from local farmers. they ususally dont use antibiotics and stuff and they are grass fed. I just get regular organic whole milk, not ultrapaesteurized though, as this basically strips all nutrients from the milk.

Normal run of the mill milk - the stuff you find in the supermarket basically, is both pasteurised and homogenized. The former strips it of certain nutrients, the latter basically ensures a maintained liquid consistency (milk naturally has a semi-solid cream that floats to the top). Both of them mean that human digestion is compromised, and if you follow the holistic approach to curing acne this is obviously something you should be avoiding.

More over, did you ever consider what milk actually is? It's infant formula for calves. The stuff is designed as you would imagine for them in mind; packed full of hormones that stimulate growth - the purpose being so that a calf is pretty much fully grown within little over twelve months. These hormones within the milk can in turn actually mess up the hormones within a normal human body. In fact there is alot of studies that have shown that the consumption of dairy actually speeds up the growth of skin cells, causing more to be shed and subsequently a higher likelihood of clogged pores.

Now add to this the inhumane treatment of cows to produce large quantities of milk all year round; often they are pumped full of hormones and other chemicals to maintain 'production' with these passed on to the finished product. Often this leads to a very dieseased and distressed animal that is very susceptable to infections and other ailments. What's done to counter this? Why, more drugs and chemicals of course. So the end result is a truly ill and deformed creature - Whose milk by the way contains the following: hormones, drugs and chemicals, blood, pus and fecal matter.

Phew, sorry for going off on a rant, but it's a subject I feel quite strongly about.

If you want some more information (or just to check if I'm making this stuff up) visit the aptly named: http://www.milksucks.com/index2.asp

So basically, I wouldn't personally recommend it, but it's entirely up to you.

More over, did you ever consider what milk actually is? It's infant formula for calves. The stuff is designed as you would imagine for them in mind; packed full of hormones that stimulate growth - the purpose being so that a calf is pretty much fully grown within little over twelve months.

Do you have any studies/evidence that touch upon the hormone content of milk, including specific hormones?

These hormones within the milk can in turn actually mess up the hormones within a normal human body.

I wasn't aware that you could absorb hormones through your digestive tract. Again, do you know of any evidence that supports this statement?

In fact there is alot of studies that have shown that the consumption of dairy actually speeds up the growth of skin cells,

I've read a study that found that milk consumption raised IGF-1 levels--note, the body increased its production of IGF-1; the IGF-1 did not come straight from the milk. IGF-1 is purported to increase skin cell proliferation. However, this is no reason to claim that dairy speeds up the growth of skin cells, and no reason to claim that this would increase acne, even if it was true. I must ask once again for you to produce the studies you claim to have read.

Now add to this the inhumane treatment of cows to produce large quantities of milk all year round; often they are pumped full of hormones

It's very easy to find milk that was not treated with rBST. But I agree that you should not drink milk from cows treated with rBST.

and other chemicals

Which specific chemicals? Even water is a chemical, as you might realize.

Whose milk by the way contains the following: blood, pus and fecal matter.

Now you're just fear-mongering. Blood is a nicely edible food that is used by many cultures worldwide. Pus is mostly just water. Fecal matter? I bet that even fruits and vegetables have traces of fecal matter.

I wasn't aware that you could absorb hormones through your digestive tract. Again, do you know of any evidence that supports this statement?

Many hormones are active when given orally. Just as one obvious example, look at the estrogens in birth control pills!

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More over, did you ever consider what milk actually is? It's infant formula for calves. The stuff is designed as you would imagine for them in mind; packed full of hormones that stimulate growth - the purpose being so that a calf is pretty much fully grown within little over twelve months.

 

 

 

In fact there is alot of studies that have shown that the consumption of dairy actually speeds up the growth of skin cells,

 

I've read a study that found that milk consumption raised IGF-1 levels--note, the body increased its production of IGF-1; the IGF-1 did not come straight from the milk. IGF-1 is purported to increase skin cell proliferation. However, this is no reason to claim that dairy speeds up the growth of skin cells, and no reason to claim that this would increase acne, even if it was true. I must ask once again for you to produce the studies you claim to have read.

wow that would suck even harder. That basically means it ages you faster and decreases your life span as well. lol.

I wasn't aware that you could absorb hormones through your digestive tract. Again, do you know of any evidence that supports this statement?

 

Many hormones are active when given orally. Just as one obvious example, look at the estrogens in birth control pills!

 

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I know that progesterone is given as an oral supplement, but it must be taken in very large amounts for anything significant to be absorbed. I don't think cow's milk has enough hormones to be absorbed in significant amounts. But hey, I did ask for evidence for the contrary. It's not like I just shot the concept down. 😉

wow that would suck even harder. That basically means it ages you faster and decreases your life span as well. lol.

The study found that three additional cups of milk a day raised IGF-1 levels by 10%. Three additional cups.

I don't see why IGF-1 would "age you faster." It's levels in the body get quite low by old-age; to say that it is even partially responsible for aging just seems a little out-there. But I don't know much about the hormone, so I'll leave it at that.

No matter what people say on this board, it is not a proven fact that milk causes acne. Try going without dairy, but don't expect anything, because there's nothing to expect. Only placebo.

rakbs, It wasn't my intention to instill fear into anyone let me assure you. I've got to apologise if that's how my post came across. Reading back through it now, I realise I may have been a bit to elaborate, quoting things that I've read to simply push a point (I do however, still believe what I have written to be fairly accurate) It probably stems from the fact that I do feel fairly strongly on the subject as I have mentioned before, and I let this get to me.

Can I ask though, that we all make a conscience decision to move away from study results however; its a common trend within these forums at the moment and I feel it's a huge step back for all of us trying to rid ourselves of our affliction. For we do not know the full(if at all) conditions of the actual study and neither do we know the health or lifestyle of the subjects tested. The results can be then completely meaningless; or even worst, skewed to push some corporate/political agenda. Often we are simply given the conclusions that were derived from the study, and these too can be completely arbitary from the actual results.

None of us here are scientists after all, we shouldn't concern ourselves with the 'conclusions' of often contradictory studies. Such a dogmatic approach will only hinder us in the long run. I mean, if we were to believe popular consensus then a squirt of clearasil would be all we need to clear our skin up, and we all know the effectiveness of those sort of 'scientifically proven' products.

Getting back on topic, I think the original poster should themselves try and go without dairy products for a while and check the results. Idealy you should go without for at least 2 weeks to see if they really do have a negative effect. Personally, abstaining did me a whole world of good. I no longer had a bunged up feeling breathing, my sinuses cleared and I didn't experience the headaches that I usually did. Reading several forum on the internet, many others also experienced similar results. If you do take on board the holistic approach to curing acne - - where you have to increase your overall health, then avoiding dairy for some at least is most definetly a step in the right direction.

I wasn't aware that you could absorb hormones through your digestive tract. Again, do you know of any evidence that supports this statement?

 

Many hormones are active when given orally. Just as one obvious example, look at the estrogens in birth control pills!

 

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I know that progesterone is given as an oral supplement, but it must be taken in very large amounts for anything significant to be absorbed. I don't think cow's milk has enough hormones to be absorbed in significant amounts. But hey, I did ask for evidence for the contrary. It's not like I just shot the concept down. 😉

 

 

wow that would suck even harder. That basically means it ages you faster and decreases your life span as well. lol.

 

The study found that three additional cups of milk a day raised IGF-1 levels by 10%. Three additional cups.

 

I don't see why IGF-1 would "age you faster." It's levels in the body get quite low by old-age; to say that it is even partially responsible for aging just seems a little out-there. But I don't know much about the hormone, so I'll leave it at that.

 

i didnt say it you did in your post lol

I don't think so.

I used to have clear skin and i drank gallons of milk and ate lots of cheese and stuff.

then i got acne just this year and started to think about the milk acne connection - i stopped dairy but i still got the acne. So I don't think there's really a connection unless you're chugging down really artificial stuff in insane amounts. Other than that, i don't think it does still do more good than harm.

I take whey protein.. which is made from cow.

but the one i buy is a good brand ., Cow are grass-fed

You really have nothing to lose by stopping dairy for a while to see what happens.

In a retrospective cohort of 47 and 355 women, after

accounting for age,age at menarche,body mass index,

and energy intake,Adebamowo and colleagues found

a positive association between acne incidence and

total (prevalence ratio = 1.22; p=0.002) and skim

(prevalence ratio = 1.44;p=0.003) milk intakes.2 In a

prospective cohort of 6,094 girls,aged nine to 15 years

studied from 1996 to 1999,milk drinking of all kinds

(total, whole, low-fat, and skim) was positively

associated with acne. 3 After accounting for age at

baseline, height and energy intake, the prevalence

ratios and p-values were as follows: total milk (1.20;

<0.001), whole milk (1.19; <0.001), low-fat milk

(1.17; <0.002) and skim milk (1.19; <0.001).These

two observational experiments are important in that

they are the first evidence in westernized populations

to show that diet (and milk in particular) is associated

with acne. In order to establish causality, future

randomized controlled trials, in which milk is either

added to or excluded from the diet and acne

symptoms assessed, will be needed to confirm these

preliminary epidemiological observations.

oh i stopped drinking it for a month and it made no difference so i started drinking it again...but u might as well stop drinking it and see what happens. Its all relative to the specific person and their allergies etc.

stopping dairy made a difference for me. hard cheeses (especially cheddar) makes me oily. milk gives me gas. yogurt makes my joints hurt for some odd reason... i can handle feta cheese and goat cheese and that's about it. I hear dairy intolerant people can handle goat milk better, but i haven't tried.

http://www.naturalnews.com/024613.html

(NaturalNews) We all know the advertisements where celebrities sport the milk mustache and ask `Got Milk?`. However studies suggest that a more accurate question would be: `Got milk? Got acne?` This article explores how hormones and allergenic proteins in milk could contribute to acne.

At least three large-scale studies reported in the American Journal of Dermatology found a link between drinking milk and acne. NaturalNews reported about a study that found those who drank two or three glasses of milk a day had 44% higher chance of developing severe acne.

Most studies on acne and milk were conducted on teenagers. But anecdotal evidence from thousands of adults suggests that milk also affects adult acne. As many adult acne victims report their skin gets better after quitting milk and dairy products.

But how can a glass of `nature`s perfect food` wreck such disaster on your skin?

In many ways - it seems.

Research suggests that acne is linked to problems with blood sugar metabolism and chronic inflammation. Wild swings in blood sugar levels lead to hormonal reaction that increases sebum production and turnover of skin cells. Chronic inflammation taxes the immune system and opens the door for acne causing bacteria to colonize the blocked skin pores. Click here for more detailed explanation of what causes acne.

Drinking milk leads to a similar hormonal reaction than blood sugar problems do. Further milk can increase inflammation throughout the body.

Though this article only talks about the link between milk and acne, this also applies to all dairy products.

Milk opens the sebum tap

Almost all commercial milk comes from pregnant cows. Milk from pregnant cows contains hormones that are close to hormones that signal the skin cells to produce more sebum.

Milk contains dihydrotestosterone (DHT) precursors, including 5a-pregnanedione and 5a-androstanedione. These hormones are only few steps away from DHT. For acne victims more DHT equals bad news. DHT signals the skin glands to produce more sebum. That`s one reason researchers agree DHT is a prime acnegen.

To make matters even worse skin glands already contain the enzymes required for converting these precursors to DHT. And that means the precursors in milk are immediately converted to DHT.

Milk and IGF-1

DHT is not the only way milk can cause acne. Milk contains an array of powerful growth hormones. That shouldn`t come as a surprise as milk is supposed to make things grow. By drinking milk a newborn calf turns into 1.5 ton steer.

Insulin like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) is one of the growth hormones found in milk. IGF-1 is problematic for acne victims for two reasons. It increases sebum production, and it stimulates the growth of skin cells. The faster the skin cells grow the faster they also die. That means more dead skin cells to block the pores. Consequently it also leads to faster aging of the skin.

Unfortunately the bovine version of IGF-1 is identical with humans. And, contrary to what FDA has claimed, it does survive digestion and it goes into your bloodstream. Dairy industry`s own studies confirm this.

In a study published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association (October, 1999, Vol. 99, No. 10) dairy researchers studied 204 healthy men and women. These people regularly consumed less than 1.5 servings of dairy products a day. They divided the participants into two groups. One was the control group that didn`t make any changes. The other group was asked to consume 3 servings of dairy products a day.

The study found that serum (blood) levels of IGF-1 increased by 10% in milk drinkers. IGF-1 levels remained the same for people on the control group. Large-scale studies on the effect of diet on IGF-1 levels confirm these findings. As the abstract of one study says:

"The most consistent finding was a positive association between protein intake with circulating IGF-I concentration (174, 188, 201, 192, and 196 ng/ml across quintiles of protein intake; P = 0.002), which was largely attributable to milk intake"

Holmes et al.

Dietary Correlates of Plasma Insulin-like Growth Factor I and Insulin-like Growth Factor Binding Protein 3 Concentrations

Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention Vol. 11, 852-861, September 2002

Milk, insulin and acne

Insulin is another link between milk and acne.

Higher insulin levels usually mean higher rates of acne. Insulin alone stimulates sebum production, but more significant than that is the fact that insulin levels correlate with the levels of IGF-1 and several sex hormones. These hormones are closely linked to acne.

Drinking milk significantly increases insulin levels, as dairy industry`s own studies confirm.

"The blood glucose and plasma insulin responses to test milk samples were studied in healthy normal volunteers. After an overnight fast the subjects were given 500 ml of either regular fat free milk (abt 25 g lactose) or 500 ml of new low-lactose fat free milk (3.75 g lactose and 4.25 g fructose). Blood glucose levels were not significantly altered after either milk sample, but plasma insulin responses were significantly elevated after milk consumption."

Salminen et al.

Blood glucose and plasma insulin responses to fat free milk and low-lactose fat free milk in healthy human volunteers

Zeitschrift fAr ErnAhrungswissenschaft Volume 26, Number 1 / March, 1987

Milk and inflammation

Inflammation is the other side of `acne coin`.

Inflammation turns blocked pores into big, red and painful pimples. Inflammation is the body`s response to injury and harmful substances (such as bacteria, virus, chemicals and toxins). Inflammation happens when the immune system attacks invaders and clears foreign substances from the bloodstream.

Unfortunately milk doesn`t have to be as pure white as fresh, fallen snow to end into your fridge. Most milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics, blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses.

Most dairy cows live in miserable conditions and are riddled with infections. The cowas immune system produces white blood cells to fight off bacteria and virus. Both white blood cells, commonly referred as pus cells, and bacteria end up into milk. The dairy industry calls pus cells somatic cells and refers to their presence as the somatic cell count (SCC).

In a study of milk sold in New York State the average SCC was 363,000 cells/ml. These white blood cells were produced by the cow to fight off the 24,400 bacteria/ml found in this milk.

If you think pasteurization kills these bacteria, think again. The milk in the study was already pasteurized. As you drink milk the bacteria, pus, herbicides and other chemicals enter your bloodstream. The immune system has to clear them out, which leads to more inflammation and potentially more acne.

Allergies are another inflammatory reaction. So anything that causes an allergic reaction may also cause acne. In milk whey and casein protein are the main allergens. Homogenization of milk puts more of these allergens into your body.

During homogenization milk is forced through small holes with tremendous pressure. This breaks otherwise large fat globules into much smaller pieces. Without homogenization the fat in milk would rise to the top. Homogenization makes sure fat globules remain evenly distributed in milk.

Unfortunately it also changes the membrane covering fat globules. The original fat globule membrane is lost and a new one is formed that incorporates a much greater portion of casein and whey proteins. These much smaller fat globules enter the bloodstream easily. This exposes milk drinkers to larger quantities of allergenic proteins.

As the immune system attacks these foreign proteins it increase inflammation through the body and can lead to more pimples.

What about raw milk

Many health conscious individuals make a sharp distinction between raw and processed milk. Raw milk is said to be health promoting substance.

Of the two raw milk is the healthier choice. Raw and organic milk usually comes from healthier cows (as they are kept in better condition). This means the milk contains less pus, bacteria, chemicals and other pollutants. Processing also makes milk more allergenic. Raw milk is unprocessed and in its natural state. Hence drinkers of raw milk suffer fewer allergic reactions.

Regardless of these advantages acne victims would be wise to avoid all milk. The acne causing hormones are present in raw milk also. They are there because a baby cow requires them for growth and development. Adult humans don`t need them anymore, at least not in such quantities. Milk drinkers expose themselves to these hormones, and that can lead to various health problems - acne being one of them.

In conclusion, the next time you think of getting a glass of milk think of extra sebum, dead skin cells and inflammation it`s going to give you. For any acne victim that should be more than enough to wipe out the milk mustache for good.

Cow Milk & Dairy Products Induces Acne

11/09/2007

http://www.prlog.org/10037285-cow-milk-dai...duces-acne.html

Atlanta, Georgia, 11/09/2007 - Milk of pregnant cows contains lots of sex hormones such as androgens. Unfortunately, chemical structure of cowas androgen hormones and androgen produced by human is somewhat similar to each other.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

PRLog (Press Release) a Nov 09, 2007 a Androgen in milk of Pregnant cows causes Acne

Atlanta, Georgia, 11/09/2007 - Milk of pregnant cows contains lots of sex hormones such as androgens. Unfortunately, chemical structure of cowas androgen hormones and androgen produced by human is somewhat similar to each other. Studies shows that most of the cows in United States are pregnant, hence their milk contains a large amount of androgen. Androgen is male sex hormones produces in both genders of humans and some other animals including cows and buffaloes.

Testosterone is an androgenic hormone that is converted into DHT. Hair follicles and sebaceous glands are susceptible to DHT. Thus, the more testosterone is produced, the more it is converted into DHT.

Excessive hormones stimulate the sebaceous glands to produce more sebum and causes inflammation of hair follicles. Excessive sebum is restricted within narrowed and inflamed hair follicles. Here within hair follicles, propionibacteria mixes with sebum to make a plaque.

The plaque clogs the hair follicles and small bumps appear. The bump is called whitehead and if sebum pops out the bump, it is called blackhead.

Cow milk not only stimulates sebaceous glands and induces acne; it is also a leading cause of excessive weight gain in girls. Androgen helps build and maintain male and female characteristics, thus, intake of pregnant cow milk causes high weight, and teenagers are more sexually excited and girls may develop enlarged breasts. Too large amounts of androgen may cause breast cancer, studies show; however, further research is still needed.

To prevent from successive acne breakouts, excessive weight gain and breast cancer, both teens and adults must cut down on dairy products such as butter, margarine, cheese, ice cream, candies etc.

milk and dairy are high in Iodine content and that could be a major contributor to acne

This doesn't explain the direct connection between acne and dairy, like the articles i posted. But, still interesting enough to check out.

"Milk: The Deadly Poison"

i love dairy products...fuck it if it aggravates acne...i need the protein

milk for my shakes

whey protein

casein protein

cottage cheese

curd (called magerquark here in germany - 500g = 360cal,65g protein,19g carbs,zero fat) - i love this stuff.. nice casein , costs only about 55cents and is lowfat/pretty lowcarb and high in protein)

i stopped dairy a long time ago, its not poison, but yes it definitly has some effect on acne.

i love dairy products...fuck it if it aggravates acne...i need the protein

 

milk for my shakes

whey protein

casein protein

cottage cheese

curd (called magerquark here in germany - 500g = 360cal,65g protein,19g carbs,zero fat) - i love this stuff.. nice casein , costs only about 55cents and is lowfat/pretty lowcarb and high in protein)

Hell yeah , screw it!!! lol , better to be all muscular then acne... I have scars so i don't care about acne.... but i still not gonna eat junks

To bad i get gas or w.e from milk... so i am fine with whey protein.. i don't need milk. lol

but i do eat/drink lots of eggs.

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I like this video. I haven't drunk milk in years, thanks to this:

Here's another: