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I also have Cordain's Dietary Cure For Acne ebook, and was wondering if anyone else is a little confused about his actual recommendation on EPA and DHA? On pg. 92 he says to try to include at least .5 - 1.8 grams of EPA + DHA per day in your DIET. Then on p. 103, he says if you don't get the recommeded intake of EPA and DHA from eating fish, to initially start of taking between 2-4 grams of BOTH EPA and DHA daily. Yes, it says BOTH. Well, since most omega 3 pills have twice as much EPA as DHA so you could take 4g of EPA and 2g of DHA = 6g total. I take a pill w/ .4 g EPA and .2g DHA so that's 10 pills a day. However, I do eat fish almost every day.So Cordain is recommending taking 6g total of EPA+DHA. And this probably isn't even close to the upper limit. If it was, he probably wouldn't put it in his book as a general recommendation without fear of taking a backlash if someone had serious side effects.
EDIT:
I'm begining to think that his claims to cure acne through the paleo diet are a little misleading if its really the EPA + DHA you're taking. Plus, he recommends taking 50 mg zinc also. Regardless, I'm not going to argue that the paleo diet isn't healthy though.
I know you probably know about this but just in case. Make sure the fish you eat is wild and not farmed. Farmed fish have a different ratio of omegas than wild fish.
Yep, thanks for the heads up, everyone can benefit from knowing this. I think this is because farmed fish aren't fed their natural diet.
Day 9:
My body doesn't produce any excess oil anymore.
I am going to be taking 6 pills (1.8 grams of epa+dha) now.
I am also going to stop eating eggs. I used to eat 3 egg whites daily, which was pretty high in Omega 6! That may also help reduce the ratio more
My face is producing the same amount of oil! But this viscosity has gone down, making it very light on my face and not heavy at all. It doesn't seem like the type of oil to clog pores at all, almost like normal people's. The way I can tell is from the oil absorbing strips. I use one daily now, though. As opposed to one and a half, or two. I guess it's going down.
Also, my body excess oil is gone! Completely. That, is a miracle! I used to have an oily back, not too oily but enough where you could feel it a bit and now it's like the skin on my arm, soft yet not dry, not oily either. 
<3 fishies.
As far as overdosing goes, I think people need to realize how much n-6 is in foods, even healthy ones. A single egg has about 1,000 mg of omega-6, so if you eat three eggs, that's about 3,000 mgs of Omega-6 right there. A single avocado has between 3,000-4,000 mgs of omega-6. Right there, people would need about 12 or so fish oil pills just to balance out ONE avocado, let a lone an entire day's worth of food.It seems like people are villianizing omega-6's even though they are present in VERY healthy foods. Nuts, seeds, avacados, eggs, oats, etc. etc. This is one of hte reasons I advocate taking flax seed to assist with the balancing act, or else people will have to stay away from some great foods. A spoonful of flax seed yeilds about 1,500 mgs of omega-3 so it's much more practical in the balancing act.
One last point. People need to realize how very little o3 is in a fish oil pill even though it may say 1,000mg. Like previous posters have said, a 1,000 mg pill will probably only yield about 300 mg of o3. For comparison, a 3 oz. piece of salmon contains about 1,700 mgs of o3. So even if the recommended dose on your bottle says 3 pills daily, that is still FAR less than a single piece of salmon. Also, a TEASPOON of liquid fish oil will have around 1,500 mgs of o3.
In summary, don't freak out about overdosing. In this case, more is better.
Wow, very good post and point. I'm quoting this again so everyone can see it as well just in case anyone misses this.
Do you think it's best just to take omega 3 pills instead of fish oil pills for that purpose?
Does anyone happen to know how much fat you need to have the pills be absorbed? I know you need a source of fat to take these, otherwise it won't be beneficial, but how much is enough? Would one handful of nuts be fine, or about 1/4 glass of 2% milk? Or maybe even a bit of chocolate?
I would go easy on the overdose warning. Everyone should calculate their own personal intakes of o6 in their diets and take a quantity big enough of o3 to balance that out. How big of a dose of o3 is an overdose(if such a thing exists) its probably dependant on what the doses of o6 are. In other words, there probably isnt any harm as long as you dont end up with the scale tilted the other way and have a 1:6+ ratio of o6:o3.I've experienced amazing results with doses 3-4 times higher than anyone here is taking.
I understand what you mean. I can also see how you would have to take 3 or four times more than us since you body build, and from taking those 6 meals you eat daily, so you would need that much to balance out your high omega 6 ratio too.
I updatd the first page again, sorry about that
I'm only stating this because I don't want to be reliable if something bad happens. You may take more than 3 grams if you wish, but this would be totally up to you and under your own will smile.gif. The main goal is to get your ratio of omega 3: omega 6 to 1:1. Most places I've seen that a realistic goal is for every 1 gram of omega 3, you need 4 of omega 6... making it 1:4.I would simply try to get plenty of omega 3, and try reducing omega 6 from foods without having to rely on too many fish oil pills.
Just be safe! Read through this thread, everyone has many different ways, and there's plenty of information. Since there is no RDA standard for maximum daily allowance, and since our bodies and diets are all completely different, try it slowly and see what fits you best. Make observations and you'll more than likely start seeing results. Just be safe and get a blood test after a certain period of time to be sure that you are not doing any harm. If you aren't, try adding more etc.
Good luck!
That's better 🙂 They can read through the thread as well and see all the information and our posts.
I just hope everyone else is seeing results too.
Can you guys post how long you've been on it as well and what changes you saw through what time frame? I think that would be great information, like a timeline!
So far I haven't seen any results:
I was taking Vitamnin Shoppe Brand 1-2 pills (300 mg EPA, 200 mg DHA each) a day for about a month and a half which is .5 - 1.0 g TOTAL of EPA + DHA / day and saw no results. I started doing this more for general health than acne. This is confounded by the fact that I stopped taking antibiotics and experimented w/ B5 and some other stuff at the time (see my earlier post).
Then for the past week I've been taking 2-5 NSI Omega-3 pills (400 mg EPA, 200 mg DHA each) which is 1.2 - 3 g TOTAL of EPA + DHA / day. I haven't really noticed a difference in my oil. However, within the past few days my acne has improved a little bit (especially less inflamed on my cheeks), but I attribute this to the fact that I tried raw doggin it topically without any products except a little bit of zinc cream for a week or two prior, but now am applying a very minimal amount of BenzaClin topically at night.
Hence, there's too many factors and I really haven't been consistant in order to use my results. I plan on sticking to three or four pills (1.8 - 2.4 g) a day now for a while.
So far I haven't seen any results:I was taking Vitamnin Shoppe Brand 1-2 pills (300 mg EPA, 200 mg DHA each) a day for about a month and a half which is .5 - 1.0 g TOTAL of EPA + DHA / day and saw no results. I started doing this more for general health than acne. This is confounded by the fact that I stopped taking antibiotics and experimented w/ B5 and some other stuff at the time (see my earlier post).
Then for the past week I've been taking 2-5 NSI Omega-3 pills (400 mg EPA, 200 mg DHA each) which is 1.2 - 3 g TOTAL of EPA + DHA / day. I haven't really noticed a difference in my oil. However, within the past few days my acne has improved a little bit (especially less inflamed on my cheeks), but I attribute this to the fact that I tried raw doggin it topically without any products except a little bit of zinc cream for a week or two prior, but now am applying a very minimal amount of BenzaClin topically at night.
Hence, there's too many factors and I really haven't been consistant in order to use my results. I plan on sticking to three or four pills (1.8 - 2.4 g) a day now for a while.
Have you mapped out how much omega 6 you take? Tell me more about your diet, in terms of meats and all that.
Also, how much acne do you have currently?
As far as overdosing goes, I think people need to realize how much n-6 is in foods, even healthy ones. A single egg has about 1,000 mg of omega-6, so if you eat three eggs, that's about 3,000 mgs of Omega-6 right there. A single avocado has between 3,000-4,000 mgs of omega-6. Right there, people would need about 12 or so fish oil pills just to balance out ONE avocado, let a lone an entire day's worth of food.It seems like people are villianizing omega-6's even though they are present in VERY healthy foods. Nuts, seeds, avacados, eggs, oats, etc. etc. This is one of hte reasons I advocate taking flax seed to assist with the balancing act, or else people will have to stay away from some great foods. A spoonful of flax seed yeilds about 1,500 mgs of omega-3 so it's much more practical in the balancing act.
One last point. People need to realize how very little o3 is in a fish oil pill even though it may say 1,000mg. Like previous posters have said, a 1,000 mg pill will probably only yield about 300 mg of o3. For comparison, a 3 oz. piece of salmon contains about 1,700 mgs of o3. So even if the recommended dose on your bottle says 3 pills daily, that is still FAR less than a single piece of salmon. Also, a TEASPOON of liquid fish oil will have around 1,500 mgs of o3.
In summary, don't freak out about overdosing. In this case, more is better.
Wow, very good post and point. I'm quoting this again so everyone can see it as well just in case anyone misses this.
Do you think it's best just to take omega 3 pills instead of fish oil pills for that purpose?
I would just stick with the fish oil pills and buy some flax seed and grind it up. Pills are expensive. Flax seed is not. I would just continue with the fish oil and find some whole flax seed. It is so cheap. Also, if you can stomach it, get the actual fish oil in liquid form. A teaspoon will have at least 1,000 mgs in that tiny spoonful and liquid is often cheaper.
Here's the thing about pills...you are paying for the fillers. The gelatin and manufacturing costs money and YOU are paying for it. Same thing goes for vitamins. To relate a personal experience, I was into taking MSM a while back. I looked at Jarrow's formula in both pill form and powder:
Jarrows pills= $9 for 120 grams of tablets
Jarrows powder= $9 for 200 grams of powder
I basically got 80 free grams just for buying the powder without fillers. I suspect there is a similar correlation with fish oil and the liquid. Although possibly grosser, you would only need to take 1-2 spponfuls of liquid fish oil. A little simpler than popping a bunch of pills, but it probably relies on preference.
So far I haven't seen any results:I was taking Vitamnin Shoppe Brand 1-2 pills (300 mg EPA, 200 mg DHA each) a day for about a month and a half which is .5 - 1.0 g TOTAL of EPA + DHA / day and saw no results. I started doing this more for general health than acne. This is confounded by the fact that I stopped taking antibiotics and experimented w/ B5 and some other stuff at the time (see my earlier post).
Then for the past week I've been taking 2-5 NSI Omega-3 pills (400 mg EPA, 200 mg DHA each) which is 1.2 - 3 g TOTAL of EPA + DHA / day. I haven't really noticed a difference in my oil. However, within the past few days my acne has improved a little bit (especially less inflamed on my cheeks), but I attribute this to the fact that I tried raw doggin it topically without any products except a little bit of zinc cream for a week or two prior, but now am applying a very minimal amount of BenzaClin topically at night.
Hence, there's too many factors and I really haven't been consistant in order to use my results. I plan on sticking to three or four pills (1.8 - 2.4 g) a day now for a while.
Have you mapped out how much omega 6 you take? Tell me more about your diet, in terms of meats and all that.
Also, how much acne do you have currently?
I have moderate acne. For the past month, its been worse around my mouth, lips, and chin. Within the past few days, my cheeks are clearing up to what they were back when I was on antibiotics + BenzaClin, but mouth area is worse than when on antibiotics (I'd much rather have it worse on cheeks than mouth!) . I'm on the paleo diet for the past four weeks. For the past month everyday I pretty much always eat fish (primarily salmon, but also cod, orange roughy, etc.), chicken and about every other day grass-fed beef (primarily lean cuts). I eat about 4-6 eggs / week. Tons of veggies, tons of fruit, some nuts. No grains. No junk food, I cheat w/ grains or junk food maybe once or twice a week if even that. I do fry my meat and veggies a lot with either canola or olive oil, I need to cut down on this. I calculated my ratio for one day, it was close to 1:1, I'd say I'm probably consistantly less than 1:4 omega 3: omega 6. I really should put my info in my signature I guess.
I would just stick with the fish oil pills and buy some flax seed and grind it up. Pills are expensive. Flax seed is not. I would just continue with the fish oil and find some whole flax seed. It is so cheap. Also, if you can stomach it, get the actual fish oil in liquid form. A teaspoon will have at least 1,000 mgs in that tiny spoonful and liquid is often cheaper.Here's the thing about pills...you are paying for the fillers. The gelatin and manufacturing costs money and YOU are paying for it. Same thing goes for vitamins. To relate a personal experience, I was into taking MSM a while back. I looked at Jarrow's formula in both pill form and powder:
Jarrows pills= $9 for 120 grams of tablets
Jarrows powder= $9 for 200 grams of powder
I basically got 80 free grams just for buying the powder without fillers. I suspect there is a similar correlation with fish oil and the liquid. Although possibly grosser, you would only need to take 1-2 spponfuls of liquid fish oil. A little simpler than popping a bunch of pills, but it probably relies on preference.
Wow that is a fantastic point! I was actually wondering about that.
My question to you is, how unbearable is fish oil in liquid form? Is the taste itself very horrid? Also, would flax seed by bad since it contains omega 6's itself? That was my concern on not buying flax at all.
I will also look more into this, thank you veryyyy much!
I have moderate acne. For the past month, its been worse around my mouth, lips, and chin. Within the past few days, my cheeks are clearing up to what they were back when I was on antibiotics + BenzaClin, but mouth area is worse than when on antibiotics (I'd much rather have it worse on cheeks than mouth!) . I'm on the paleo diet for the past four weeks. For the past month everyday I pretty much always eat fish (primarily salmon, but also cod, orange roughy, etc.), chicken and about every other day grass-fed beef (primarily lean cuts). I eat about 4-6 eggs / week. Tons of veggies, tons of fruit, some nuts. No grains. No junk food, I cheat w/ grains or junk food maybe once or twice a week if even that. I do fry my meat and veggies a lot with either canola or olive oil, I need to cut down on this. I calculated my ratio for one day, it was close to 1:1, I'd say I'm probably consistantly less than 1:4 omega 3: omega 6. I really should put my info in my signature I guess.
You have a phenomenal diet and regimen! It makes me wonder, that the cause of your acne is probably something much greater. Perhaps it's necessary to go on antibiotics of accutane since it doesn't seem to be helping?
What are your thoughts, and what did the doctor say?
I have moderate acne. For the past month, its been worse around my mouth, lips, and chin. Within the past few days, my cheeks are clearing up to what they were back when I was on antibiotics + BenzaClin, but mouth area is worse than when on antibiotics (I'd much rather have it worse on cheeks than mouth!) . I'm on the paleo diet for the past four weeks. For the past month everyday I pretty much always eat fish (primarily salmon, but also cod, orange roughy, etc.), chicken and about every other day grass-fed beef (primarily lean cuts). I eat about 4-6 eggs / week. Tons of veggies, tons of fruit, some nuts. No grains. No junk food, I cheat w/ grains or junk food maybe once or twice a week if even that. I do fry my meat and veggies a lot with either canola or olive oil, I need to cut down on this. I calculated my ratio for one day, it was close to 1:1, I'd say I'm probably consistantly less than 1:4 omega 3: omega 6. I really should put my info in my signature I guess.You have a phenomenal diet and regimen! It makes me wonder, that the cause of your acne is probably something much greater. Perhaps it's necessary to go on antibiotics of accutane since it doesn't seem to be helping?
What are your thoughts, and what did the doctor say?
I haven't been to the derm in a few months. He didn't have anything to say other than the prescriptions he gave me.
Well, the thing is I've been doing the paleo diet for the past month. Two months prior I was eating healthy w/ minimal junk/processed food but tons of grains and some dairy but also less meats, veggies, fruits. However, for 25 and 1/2 years prior I ate the average American diet, pretty much shit, junk food everyday, fast food 3 times/week, etc. So as you've said in another post, it will take a while to undue this plus the effects of going off antibiotics. I definitely think my hormones are the primary culprit, since I've started logging my diet, lifestyle, acne, etc. the only strong correlation I find is I break out much worse after I jack off too much regardless of what the actual connection is. I really don't think I can truly judge my diet, etc. until after a few more months.
Well, the thing is I've been doing the paleo diet for the past month. Two months prior I was eating healthy w/ minimal junk/processed food but tons of grains and some dairy but also less meats, veggies, fruits. However, for 25 and 1/2 years prior I ate the average American diet, pretty much shit, junk food everyday, fast food 3 times/week, etc. So as you've said in another post, it will take a while to undue this plus the effects of going off antibiotics. I definitely think my hormones are the primary culprit, since I've started logging my diet, lifestyle, acne, etc. the only strong correlation I find is I break out much worse after I jack off too much regardless of what the actual connection is. I really don't think I can truly judge my diet, etc. until after a few more months.
You may be absolutely correct. The reason why you see a correlation between j/o and acne is not because of the act itself, but j/o is the result of an increase in testosterone. Testosterone is a hormone which produces excess oil production. So it's a round about correct answer. Your hormones seem to be the culprit, and it's the testosterone.
Do you do any cardio? I realized that when I started cardio, my testosterone stablized. I think I asked you this same question before but not too sure.
But just know that if all of this doesn't work for you, you still have the option of accutane, because we're all not professionals but just good researchers with evidence also backed from personal experience. But when it's a really unique situation, perhaps nothing may work (from what we do) except things such as accutane? I'm not too sure, I just hope something helps you.
Also, do you use oil absorbing sheets? Without those through the day, I get acne every single time. They are the critical portion of my regimen that saves me face between washes!
ndnromeo hows it goin still? im still improving except the wierd forehead thing which i hope will subside soon. but around my mouth and cheeks is sooo much better
It's going great for myself 🙂
I noticed that's the first area that improves too 🙂 I don't know why, but it starts outward and seems to go in. Maybe it's just myself, or our t zones are more dominant.
Well, the thing is I've been doing the paleo diet for the past month. Two months prior I was eating healthy w/ minimal junk/processed food but tons of grains and some dairy but also less meats, veggies, fruits. However, for 25 and 1/2 years prior I ate the average American diet, pretty much shit, junk food everyday, fast food 3 times/week, etc. So as you've said in another post, it will take a while to undue this plus the effects of going off antibiotics. I definitely think my hormones are the primary culprit, since I've started logging my diet, lifestyle, acne, etc. the only strong correlation I find is I break out much worse after I jack off too much regardless of what the actual connection is. I really don't think I can truly judge my diet, etc. until after a few more months.You may be absolutely correct. The reason why you see a correlation between j/o and acne is not because of the act itself, but j/o is the result of an increase in testosterone. Testosterone is a hormone which produces excess oil production. So it's a round about correct answer. Your hormones seem to be the culprit, and it's the testosterone.
Do you do any cardio? I realized that when I started cardio, my testosterone stablized. I think I asked you this same question before but not too sure.
But just know that if all of this doesn't work for you, you still have the option of accutane, because we're all not professionals but just good researchers with evidence also backed from personal experience. But when it's a really unique situation, perhaps nothing may work (from what we do) except things such as accutane? I'm not too sure, I just hope something helps you.
Also, do you use oil absorbing sheets? Without those through the day, I get acne every single time. They are the critical portion of my regimen that saves me face between washes!
Research has shown that its not actually high testosterone levels but high levels of DHT that contribute to acne. EFA's are said to help balance hormones and control dht. i also take saw palmetto as it has been shown to slow the conversion of testosterone to DHT. the combination of EFA's (fish oil, EPO, and borage) and saw palmetto has helped control my acne extremely well. i'm not 100% clear but my acne is the best its been in years. i've only been taking them a couple weeks and i hope that in a few more weeks on my current regimen, i'll be clear. if not, i'll probably try to do a liver flush.
heres a site that i think explains acne well: http://www.healthyskinshop.com/acinper.html
I would go easy on the overdose warning. Everyone should calculate their own personal intakes of o6 in their diets and take a quantity big enough of o3 to balance that out. How big of a dose of o3 is an overdose(if such a thing exists) its probably dependant on what the doses of o6 are. In other words, there probably isnt any harm as long as you dont end up with the scale tilted the other way and have a 1:6+ ratio of o6:o3.I've experienced amazing results with doses 3-4 times higher than anyone here is taking.
I understand what you mean. I can also see how you would have to take 3 or four times more than us since you body build, and from taking those 6 meals you eat daily, so you would need that much to balance out your high omega 6 ratio too.
That's what I was making reference to, setting a static value we shouldn't exceed isn't the best option since everyone's diet is different.
ndnromeo hows it goin still? im still improving except the wierd forehead thing which i hope will subside soon. but around my mouth and cheeks is sooo much betterIt's going great for myself 🙂
I noticed that's the first area that improves too 🙂 I don't know why, but it starts outward and seems to go in. Maybe it's just myself, or our t zones are more dominant.
idk if you know my past on here, but i've been on accutane twice with VERY little improvement from it.. wish i knew about fish oil back then lol hopefully it will continue to improve!
Well, the thing is I've been doing the paleo diet for the past month. Two months prior I was eating healthy w/ minimal junk/processed food but tons of grains and some dairy but also less meats, veggies, fruits. However, for 25 and 1/2 years prior I ate the average American diet, pretty much shit, junk food everyday, fast food 3 times/week, etc. So as you've said in another post, it will take a while to undue this plus the effects of going off antibiotics. I definitely think my hormones are the primary culprit, since I've started logging my diet, lifestyle, acne, etc. the only strong correlation I find is I break out much worse after I jack off too much regardless of what the actual connection is. I really don't think I can truly judge my diet, etc. until after a few more months.You may be absolutely correct. The reason why you see a correlation between j/o and acne is not because of the act itself, but j/o is the result of an increase in testosterone. Testosterone is a hormone which produces excess oil production. So it's a round about correct answer. Your hormones seem to be the culprit, and it's the testosterone.
Do you do any cardio? I realized that when I started cardio, my testosterone stablized. I think I asked you this same question before but not too sure.
But just know that if all of this doesn't work for you, you still have the option of accutane, because we're all not professionals but just good researchers with evidence also backed from personal experience. But when it's a really unique situation, perhaps nothing may work (from what we do) except things such as accutane? I'm not too sure, I just hope something helps you.
Also, do you use oil absorbing sheets? Without those through the day, I get acne every single time. They are the critical portion of my regimen that saves me face between washes!
Research has shown that its not actually high testosterone levels but high levels of DHT that contribute to acne. EFA's are said to help balance hormones and control dht. i also take saw palmetto as it has been shown to slow the conversion of testosterone to DHT. the combination of EFA's (fish oil, EPO, and borage) and saw palmetto has helped control my acne extremely well. i'm not 100% clear but my acne is the best its been in years. i've only been taking them a couple weeks and i hope that in a few more weeks on my current regimen, i'll be clear. if not, i'll probably try to do a liver flush.
heres a site that i think explains acne well: http://www.healthyskinshop.com/acinper.html
Wow that is a very informative post, thank you very much! Very cool, nice work 🙂 I like that article. I love learning something new everyday. Thanks!
Guys, it's time to seriously sit down and map out how much omega 3 and 6 you are getting in your diet, and then from there based on that ratio, determine how much fish oil you need.
I did mine, so this should be a good example for anyone who wants to try. I'm sure most of you know how to do this but I'll just write out all the steps from the beginning just for a good general purpose for everyone.
1) Go to http://www.nutritiondata.com/
Think of all the foods you eat in a day and compile a list. In each item, at the bottom it tells you how much omega 3 and 6 it has. Be sure to see if it says per cup or per serving at the top. Most say per cup! So make sure your calculations are accurate
Here's what I did and found
Wheat bread
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c21Ge.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 7.0 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 161 mg
Spaghetti (1 cup)
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c21VI.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 14.0 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 284 mg
Cheddar Cheese (1 cup)
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c2008.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 482 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 762 mg
Wheaties
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20PG.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 30.3 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 320 mg
Oatmeal Squares
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20Qp.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 43.7 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 940 mg
egg, whole, cooked, poached
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c201v.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 37.0 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 572 mg
egg, whole, cooked, scrambled
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c201w.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 255 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 4215 mg
apple, raw, with skin
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20TB.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 11.2 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 53.8 mg
2% milk
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c202G.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 7.4 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 110 mg
peanuts (1 cup)
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20oP.html
Total Omega-3 fatty acids 260 mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids 14434 mg
Well, the thing is I've been doing the paleo diet for the past month. Two months prior I was eating healthy w/ minimal junk/processed food but tons of grains and some dairy but also less meats, veggies, fruits. However, for 25 and 1/2 years prior I ate the average American diet, pretty much shit, junk food everyday, fast food 3 times/week, etc. So as you've said in another post, it will take a while to undue this plus the effects of going off antibiotics. I definitely think my hormones are the primary culprit, since I've started logging my diet, lifestyle, acne, etc. the only strong correlation I find is I break out much worse after I jack off too much regardless of what the actual connection is. I really don't think I can truly judge my diet, etc. until after a few more months.You may be absolutely correct. The reason why you see a correlation between j/o and acne is not because of the act itself, but j/o is the result of an increase in testosterone. Testosterone is a hormone which produces excess oil production. So it's a round about correct answer. Your hormones seem to be the culprit, and it's the testosterone.
Do you do any cardio? I realized that when I started cardio, my testosterone stablized. I think I asked you this same question before but not too sure.
But just know that if all of this doesn't work for you, you still have the option of accutane, because we're all not professionals but just good researchers with evidence also backed from personal experience. But when it's a really unique situation, perhaps nothing may work (from what we do) except things such as accutane? I'm not too sure, I just hope something helps you.
Also, do you use oil absorbing sheets? Without those through the day, I get acne every single time. They are the critical portion of my regimen that saves me face between washes!
Hey, thanks for all the info and support, appreciated. Yeah, I definitely need to start exercising more. I'm really trying to explore all the alternatives before considering accutane. I've really been pretty uniformed about everything until the past couple months so I'm hoping I'll find something that works. I just started using the oil absorbing sheets, I think it was one of your other posts that I first discovered them. I don't know if they've improved my skin yet, but they're great. I never wanted to cleanse more than twice a day, even once/day can dry my skin out some, so they're a great alternative to get rid of the oil, I love em so far. Thanks!
Well, the thing is I've been doing the paleo diet for the past month. Two months prior I was eating healthy w/ minimal junk/processed food but tons of grains and some dairy but also less meats, veggies, fruits. However, for 25 and 1/2 years prior I ate the average American diet, pretty much shit, junk food everyday, fast food 3 times/week, etc. So as you've said in another post, it will take a while to undue this plus the effects of going off antibiotics. I definitely think my hormones are the primary culprit, since I've started logging my diet, lifestyle, acne, etc. the only strong correlation I find is I break out much worse after I jack off too much regardless of what the actual connection is. I really don't think I can truly judge my diet, etc. until after a few more months.You may be absolutely correct. The reason why you see a correlation between j/o and acne is not because of the act itself, but j/o is the result of an increase in testosterone. Testosterone is a hormone which produces excess oil production. So it's a round about correct answer. Your hormones seem to be the culprit, and it's the testosterone.
Do you do any cardio? I realized that when I started cardio, my testosterone stablized. I think I asked you this same question before but not too sure.
But just know that if all of this doesn't work for you, you still have the option of accutane, because we're all not professionals but just good researchers with evidence also backed from personal experience. But when it's a really unique situation, perhaps nothing may work (from what we do) except things such as accutane? I'm not too sure, I just hope something helps you.
Also, do you use oil absorbing sheets? Without those through the day, I get acne every single time. They are the critical portion of my regimen that saves me face between washes!
Research has shown that its not actually high testosterone levels but high levels of DHT that contribute to acne. EFA's are said to help balance hormones and control dht. i also take saw palmetto as it has been shown to slow the conversion of testosterone to DHT. the combination of EFA's (fish oil, EPO, and borage) and saw palmetto has helped control my acne extremely well. i'm not 100% clear but my acne is the best its been in years. i've only been taking them a couple weeks and i hope that in a few more weeks on my current regimen, i'll be clear. if not, i'll probably try to do a liver flush.
heres a site that i think explains acne well: http://www.healthyskinshop.com/acinper.html
That's great that EFAs and saw palmetto are working for you. Hopefully, I have similiar results once I get the amounts right. I actually just started taking saw palmetto also, infact I even tried applying topically. Topically it didn't irritate my skin to my surprise, but is pretty gross, maybe if I dilute it instead. Have you heard of Clearogen at all? It is essentially BP but also with saw palmetto and some other ingrediants to supposedly minimize the DHT conversion. Since I'm not really committed to a topcial right now I ordered it, should come Friday. I have low expectations about it, but its worth a shot.
xxndnromeoxx, great tutorial on calculating the ratios. I suggest even adding some of that maybe to your first post in the thread since this really is one of the most important points for anyone new to this. When I search through past threads (especially long ones like this is turning into) I often only get to read the first page or so of posts.
Also, maybe I'm getting carried away but I had an idea that would make this a lot more efficient. If anyone knows Microsoft Access to set up a file of a template database of various foods and their omega 3 and omega 6 values to share. Once the structure is set-up, it would be probably pretty easy for anyone to add in their foods to it to compute daily. Or even more of an undertaking would be to set up such a website of a database. Who knows, maybe there already is nutrition software/website out there that does something like this.