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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/03/2007 4:45 pm

Okay I don't know if I've notice a big difference since I've started taking this a week and half (give or take) ago, I've notice some improvement, but all I've notice is that I'm busting out white heads like its the end of the world. I'm not getting the HUGE inflamed ones like I use to get which I guess is a good sign? But the white heads are driving me nuts and they aren't the smalls ones either, you can notice them.

Is there anyway I can stop from getting white heads?, I got them a lot even before I started taking Fish Oil but now Its just annoying.

Is there purging when taking this stuff at first or am I just screwed for the rest of my life :rolleyes:

Is the green tea toner you use safe to use on skin, what are your other changes?

Also, you mentioned it's happened before as well. meaning there will be no change after adding it in so soon. How many grams are you on right now? It will still be a long course. Don't worry, I know how frustrating it is. At least be happy... when we started this thread I was somewhat blind in terms of the future and how best to start off with and all that. We weren't even sure if there were even results to be salvaged from this at all. But now at least you have us as a mirror of the future. And I can at least say it will take months, but every month, you can look back and notice change. It will be just like that. The process is slow but gradual.

How old are you by the way? Also, have you tried abstaining from common foods that provide sensitivities for people? Some people have success with cutting out gluten, or dairy. Going through trial runs for a week may provide you with some insight on what you are allergic to (if you are).

If after taking 4 grams for 2 months you see absolutely no change, then it's not only a EFA deficiency that is the issue, maybe something else... perhaps a sensitivity. We can't be sure, but just to keep exhausting multiple options. It's such a difficult puzzle to figure out, since each of us have so many different problems that show up as the same symptom.

 

was it because the green tea extract conflicted with the fish oil?

Yes, I really have noticed the difference after stopping it. Who knew how powerful it really was as a herb!

 

Not sure why that quote said i wrote it Ndnromeo, lol..... anyhoo.

Anyone know the pros and cons of beef jerky?

Here, check this out:

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c21O0.html

The only thing I see is that the sodium is pretty high, but that's about it. Nothing else alarms me. But don't know much about meat products.

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(@inrepair)

Posted : 05/03/2007 5:18 pm

Well the green tea I'm using is what everyone here http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php?showtopic=39825 Is doing. I don't know if its harmful since I've only been using it a week.

 

I'm taking 3 pills a day, 3 times a day, and I honestly can't tell you If I'm breaking out more or less, cause I go through good times and bad times. I don't know if I have any food sensitivities, I was thinking if this doesn't work, I need to see a new doctor, not a dermatologist, I believe all they want to do is stick you with harmful medications, If I can find a way to control my acne without medicines I will. My face isn't THAT bad I mean it is in my eyes, but I mostly have bad redness and red marks, it would be nice If i wasn't breaking out a lot but that is somewhat lessen over the course of the past few months.

 

As for my diet, I have cut down A LOT (and when I mean a lot I mean alllooottt) on junk food, no caffeine, none of that stuff. I'm trying to eat more veg/fruits. I don't eat dairy alot, I have milk a few times a week, etc. So as diet goes I have no idea, at this point I'm willing to try to figure out anything.

 

If I am eating something that is causing me to break out, how am I going to figure that out, I mean I don't know what it is I can stop eating for awhile then go back to see. Maybe I should see one of those special doctors I'm reading here on the board? *shrugs* I'm 21 btw.

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/03/2007 5:50 pm

Well the green tea I'm using is what everyone here http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php?showtopic=39825 Is doing. I don't know if its harmful since I've only been using it a week.

I'm taking 3 pills a day, 3 times a day, and I honestly can't tell you If I'm breaking out more or less, cause I go through good times and bad times. I don't know if I have any food sensitivities, I was thinking if this doesn't work, I need to see a new doctor, not a dermatologist, I believe all they want to do is stick you with harmful medications, If I can find a way to control my acne without medicines I will. My face isn't THAT bad I mean it is in my eyes, but I mostly have bad redness and red marks, it would be nice If i wasn't breaking out a lot but that is somewhat lessen over the course of the past few months.

As for my diet, I have cut down A LOT (and when I mean a lot I mean alllooottt) on junk food, no caffeine, none of that stuff. I'm trying to eat more veg/fruits. I don't eat dairy alot, I have milk a few times a week, etc. So as diet goes I have no idea, at this point I'm willing to try to figure out anything.

If I am eating something that is causing me to break out, how am I going to figure that out, I mean I don't know what it is I can stop eating for awhile then go back to see. Maybe I should see one of those special doctors I'm reading here on the board? *shrugs* I'm 21 btw.

Ah 🙂 Don't worry, you'll be good to go. Just keep increasing it over time and wait a couple of months. I'm 21 as well. I am confident it will do a lot of good, especially cause you are eating well too.

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(@bobby-digital)

Posted : 05/03/2007 6:12 pm

Also, InRepair consider adding a little ACV to your regimen too.

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/03/2007 8:04 pm

Man, I am such an ass. I had rough skin around my nose so I decided to use a bit of my old Queen Helene's Mint Julip Mask. I had some extra so I spread it to my cheeks. I let it dry and then washed it off, and while I was washing I felt my face... clogged pores galore. :doh: About 6 of them, a couple of big ones too. I thought masks were non comedogenic. And oddly there is only a little left meaning I've already used the whole thing up before. Damnitttt. :(:wall: I guess another week's setback. Sigh.

 

Lesson of the day: Don't use shit that you don't know what it can do. Be safe, use simple and safe products or you may be prepared to suffer.

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(@inrepair)

Posted : 05/03/2007 8:26 pm

Also, InRepair consider adding a little ACV to your regimen too.

You mean the drinking it or using it as a toner? I tried drinking it, I know your suppose to stick with it, but i only last a week that stuff made me so sick.

I looked at the toner usages and I dunno, maybe I'll give it a shot but when I read that thread I get lost as to what I am suppose to do, even the first post I don't get what I am suppose to do :think:

I'll stick with it, and see, hopefully at least by July I'll look better, I know I won't be 100 precent But I have a lot going on this summer I want to look at least okay.

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(@babadum)

Posted : 05/03/2007 8:51 pm

I guess I shouldn't take B5 and fish oil together than it seems counter-productive

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/03/2007 10:03 pm

I guess I shouldn't take B5 and fish oil together than it seems counter-productive

That's what I want to know, it may be though, since the way they work is quite conflicting.

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/03/2007 10:07 pm

Look what I found!

 

It also takes anywhere from 3-6 months for the omega-3 fatty acid blood level to be built up.

 

http://www.drlam.com/opinion/allergy.cfm

 

So 3 to 6 months. Granted they are talking about allergies,

 

Essential fatty acids found in omega 3 fats and oil are alpha-linolenic acid, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). The anti-inflammatory properties of omega-3 fatty acid have been well established. In high doses of 3-5 grams or more a day of the active ingredient EPA and DHA, it has been shown that there is a tremendous beneficial effect in inflammatory bile diseases such as colitis and Crohnas disease, auto immune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, and a variety of skin disorders such as eczema. Because there is a strong inflammatory component in asthma, the use of fish oil in a pulmonary disorder such as asthmatic conditions is an excellent choice.

 

But still it goes to show that it still takes 3 to 6 months at 3 to 5 gram range.

 

So we're doing this right, keep going.

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(@semenskinregimen)

Posted : 05/03/2007 10:12 pm

so how much fish oil do i take a day?

 

i take a daily fish oil/flax 1000 mg+ capsule with a breakdown of omega 3 (540 mg, 6 (132 mg) , and 9 (132 mg).

 

i read somewhere that the ratio of 3 to 6 needs to be 1:1. and the dose for omega 3 is 1000 mg a day?!

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/03/2007 10:15 pm

And one more, granted it's just a company:

 

Q: How long do I have to take omega-3 before I feel the benefits?

A: Your body will benefit from the omega-3 as soon as you start taking it, but as science has proven the long-term benefits build up with usage over time so we encourage you to take the product for a couple of months to see the positive benefits.

https://www.provisionnaturals.com/science_promax.php

 

 

 

so how much fish oil do i take a day?

 

i take a daily fish oil/flax 1000 mg+ capsule with a breakdown of omega 3 (540 mg, 6 (132 mg) , and 9 (132 mg).

 

i read somewhere that the ratio of 3 to 6 needs to be 1:1. and the dose for omega 3 is 1000 mg a day?!

 

 

You don't need flax at all, it will hamper your progress. Fish oil omega 3's is all you need. 1 gram of omega 3 a day to start, and slowly scaling your way to 3 to 4 gram range. Yes, your blood level needs to be at 1:1. But if your diet is 1:1 to start, it will take forever to get there, hence why we try to introduce high (yet safe) amounts to get to this level faster. The less 06 and the more 03 in your diet, the faster you will reap benefits.

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(@semenskinregimen)

Posted : 05/03/2007 10:38 pm

i dont have problems with any acne anymore since accutane. but i got eczema from the tane. so i want some oil for that.

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(@autonomousone1980)

Posted : 05/03/2007 10:46 pm

thanks romeo! youre such a big help :]

no problem, it's my pleasure 🙂 No point in getting clear, if you can't help others feel the same pleasure =)

 

My face has become better in the past 2 days. (read that as: it has gotten to a point where i can definitively say it has been better and this 'point' has been present for the past two days.)

Perhaps it is down to Omega 3, perhaps something else.

Just wanted to throw some good morale into the fray. 😀

Awesome! What did you change in the past two days, or did you increase the dosage anytime recently? sorry if I can't remember properly due to lots of posts, but what level are you at now and how long have you been on it?

I can't wait 1, 2, and 3 months more down the line to see where we all are, this is exciting!

 

7 days ago i upped it from 1.8grams to 2.7grams and i believe that made the difference about 3 days later. Now i am on 3.6 grams and this is my second day on that amount.

I have also started the paleo diet as of today.

No potatoes, pasta or bread.

I believe the paleolithic way is the key.

I believe omega 3s can replicate one of the most useful aspects of this but the actual diet will help enormously.

I'll keep you updated.

 

i feel the same way about the paleo diet. actually im real strict about the gi now, very very low gi/gl which permits little fruit as insulin theoretically is the major player in acne.things are looking good now.

There is no other explanation (then cordains) that comes close to even explaining acne as throughly as his does. Between you and me, i think hes the only one whos really trying.

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/03/2007 11:10 pm

i dont have problems with any acne anymore since accutane. but i got eczema from the tane. so i want some oil for that.

Yeah don't worry, fish oil doesn't dry skin, it regulates oil production (if it's too oily or too dry) to make it soft and supple. It should work well for that too.

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(@weenie-beenie)

Posted : 05/04/2007 10:38 am

My derm put me on an antibiotic today. Am I correct in assuming I can take the fish oil and antibiotic doses at the same time without any clashing?

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/04/2007 10:54 am

My derm put me on an antibiotic today. Am I correct in assuming I can take the fish oil and antibiotic doses at the same time without any clashing?

I believe so, since it's just a general fat, I don't see much happening. Did he tell you to avoid any foods? Like fish or saturated fats? If not then I am sure there is no harm. But in case, you may want to ask him. Because it boils down to if you can take in polyunsaturated fats and saturated fats, which I am 90% sure you can. It isn't a drug or a vitamin. That's also the beauty of it =)

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(@buffy25)

Posted : 05/04/2007 11:04 am

This thread is amazing!!

 

I stumbled on fish oil by accident (took it to see if it would help with wrinkles, etc.) and found that it coincidentally helped clear my acne. I honestly have tried everything in the book for my hormonal acne (I'm 25 year old female) to no avail, but taking 2 capsules of the fish oil has proven amazing. My skin not only looks more plump, healthy, and not as dry, but my acne has completely dissappeared. I have had mild acne for the last 3 years and felt like I tried everything (antibiotics, retina, spiro, etc.) and this is the only thing that I can consistently count on.

 

I'm here if anyone has any questions!!!!! :)

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/04/2007 11:16 am

This thread is amazing!!

I stumbled on fish oil by accident (took it to see if it would help with wrinkles, etc.) and found that it coincidentally helped clear my acne. I honestly have tried everything in the book for my hormonal acne (I'm 25 year old female) to no avail, but taking 2 capsules of the fish oil has proven amazing. My skin not only looks more plump, healthy, and not as dry, but my acne has completely dissappeared. I have had mild acne for the last 3 years and felt like I tried everything (antibiotics, retina, spiro, etc.) and this is the only thing that I can consistently count on.

I'm here if anyone has any questions!!!!! 🙂

Thanks buffy 🙂 I am glad you had written as it serves as good inspiration for anyone who is unsure on whether to begin. There is strength in numbers and I think before anyone wants to take a shot at derms or taking medication, this would be a good starting point which may save them time and money! It's interesting how you had success with low levels too. How long have you been taking it for? Never the less, I am happy for you!

As time moves on, I am hoping to see more motivational outcomes, I am confident there will be :).

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(@ayla)

Posted : 05/04/2007 11:18 am

Man, I am such an ass. I had rough skin around my nose so I decided to use a bit of my old Queen Helene's Mint Julip Mask. I had some extra so I spread it to my cheeks. I let it dry and then washed it off, and while I was washing I felt my face... clogged pores galore. :doh: About 6 of them, a couple of big ones too. I thought masks were non comedogenic. And oddly there is only a little left meaning I've already used the whole thing up before. Damnitttt. 🙁 :wall: I guess another week's setback. Sigh.

Lesson of the day: Don't use shit that you don't know what it can do. Be safe, use simple and safe products or you may be prepared to suffer.

That particular mask is noncomedogenic, though everything else in the Queen Helene line is trouble. The Mint Julip mask is Kaolin and Bentonite clay based - Bentonite is THE most absorbent clay on earth. It is also known by the name 'Fuller's Earth' - a 'fuller' is someone who sheers sheep, they used the clay to absorb the oil on the floor and keep themselves from slipping. The oil they are absorbing is Lanolin, the most chemically similar oil to our own. Hence it's growth in the cosmetics industry. It is also used in cat litter, and garages. It is a rather harsh treatment, most skin will not tolerate it. The reason you felt clogged pores is because it absorbed the oil in your skin, and pulled it to the surface. Clay masks have an IB - regular use will diminish post-application break-outs, but intermittent use will intensify them. I have a tube still, ocassionally I'll mix it half with water and use it as a wash to remove excess oil - never as a mask though.

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/04/2007 11:22 am

I also want to point out this article:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.p...fish+oil+levels

 

It talks about how fish oil capsules are in fact very safe in terms of toxicity! :)

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/04/2007 11:25 am

Man, I am such an ass. I had rough skin around my nose so I decided to use a bit of my old Queen Helene's Mint Julip Mask. I had some extra so I spread it to my cheeks. I let it dry and then washed it off, and while I was washing I felt my face... clogged pores galore. :doh: About 6 of them, a couple of big ones too. I thought masks were non comedogenic. And oddly there is only a little left meaning I've already used the whole thing up before. Damnitttt. 🙁 :wall: I guess another week's setback. Sigh.

Lesson of the day: Don't use shit that you don't know what it can do. Be safe, use simple and safe products or you may be prepared to suffer.

That particular mask is noncomedogenic, though everything else in the Queen Helene line is trouble. The Mint Julip mask is Kaolin and Bentonite clay based - Bentonite is THE most absorbent clay on earth. It is also known by the name 'Fuller's Earth' - a 'fuller' is someone who sheers sheep, they used the clay to absorb the oil on the floor and keep themselves from slipping. The oil they are absorbing is Lanolin, the most chemically similar oil to our own. Hence it's growth in the cosmetics industry. It is also used in cat litter, and garages. It is a rather harsh treatment, most skin will not tolerate it. The reason you felt clogged pores is because it absorbed the oil in your skin, and pulled it to the surface. Clay masks have an IB - regular use will diminish post-application break-outs, but intermittent use will intensify them. I have a tube still, ocassionally I'll mix it half with water and use it as a wash to remove excess oil - never as a mask though.

 

You may be absolutely correct! Do you think that it help extract all the impurities from within the surface that was eventually bound to either come up or subside? It's quite a possibility. It was startling never the less to feel so many bumps. One other thing I did was add aspirin to it (3 of them) and then I also just splashed warm water. Should I wash before applying the mask?

I used the clay mask by them a few months back and something similar happened, but it's so hard to tell. Thank you for your help :)!

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(@dirtyshank)

Posted : 05/04/2007 11:29 am

quick question...

 

wats the difference when a bottle labels:

 

Omega-3 Fatty Acids (from fish oil) 1600 mg

 

and

 

DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid) 500 mg

EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid) 800 mg

 

isnt omega-3 fatty acids = DHA+EPA? i dunno if 2 tsp a day is optimal? :doh:

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 05/04/2007 11:33 am

quick question...

wats the difference when a bottle labels:

Omega-3 Fatty Acids (from fish oil) 1600 mg

and

DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid) 500 mg

EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid) 800 mg

isnt omega-3 fatty acids = DHA+EPA? i dunno if 2 tsp a day is optimal? :doh:

Sometimes what happens is they count the epa and dha, and when they list it out seperately like that, (the 1600 value) they are adding in other types of omega 3 (more than likely ALA, which is barely converted). And yes, 2 tsp should be fine then. Try that for a while, then you can add another one in later if you wish to. 🙂 Just be sure to take it with a meal that contains a bit of fat.

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(@lilo)

Posted : 05/04/2007 1:26 pm

This thread is amazing!!

I stumbled on fish oil by accident (took it to see if it would help with wrinkles, etc.) and found that it coincidentally helped clear my acne. I honestly have tried everything in the book for my hormonal acne (I'm 25 year old female) to no avail, but taking 2 capsules of the fish oil has proven amazing. My skin not only looks more plump, healthy, and not as dry, but my acne has completely dissappeared. I have had mild acne for the last 3 years and felt like I tried everything (antibiotics, retina, spiro, etc.) and this is the only thing that I can consistently count on.

I'm here if anyone has any questions!!!!! 🙂

how long before results?

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(@lilo)

Posted : 05/04/2007 1:30 pm

so i stopped taking GTE on Monday, but must admit that my skin is worse off now. don't know if there is any correlation. my forehead has small little bumps, while i'm breaking out in white heads around my mouth and nose, huh?

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