Great, Sarah Jessica Parker is behind some omega 3 facial product from Garnier. It's nutritioniste uplift, or something like that. It's a combo of omega 3, something and something else, but they advertise is based on the Omega 3 content. Marketing is cute.

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thanks, you're right, we are trying to blame the acne on a specific food group, and i have really exhausted that avenue. i have also abstained from dairy (and still do), meat etc. carbohydrates is a bit more difficult, especially if you're not a big fan of meat. this week i will really try and curb the O6 and observe what happens. had eggs this morning, so will start tomorrow.

Just make sure you are getting your 3's though Low 6's are a complimentary with high 3's for faster results (within weeks rather than months).

I have been researching the whole bread, pasta, gluten, wheat carbs link with acne.

I've not noticed any improvement from omega 3s yet but i've only been using them for 11 days thus far and am only up to using 2.7 grams.

I'm not sure whether bread and pasta etc.. make acne worse because of the carbs or because of the gluten/wheat.

You say you are almost cured? Good luck.

How long till you reveal the new thing you were testing out? and do you think it has helped at all yet?

Let me elaborate on my words 🙂 It's time for an update so this will also serve as a weekly update.

First of all, about the new item, I'm still in testing. I am dropping it this whole week to see if it has made a real difference in the past week of taking it at all in any way, chances are it will not have made much of a difference. We shall see.

After green tea update:

The results poured in after stopping green tea. I take 4 pills with each meal (4 meals a day) making it 4.8 grams of "o3's". Coupled with a low o6 content. Resulting in a faster storage and use of o3's.

There are a few ways in which you will know. Your hormones will really stabilize, and your mood stabilizes like it should. Flashback 2 months, I was extremely moody, as each day was different, including sexual activity level, it was daily. Now I can go 3 days without it and still feel like I have no need to do it. I can no doubt do it as I please, but it's not necessary or something that mind is fixated on. You feel it before you see it on your face. It's balanced, and then your face follows, I understand it much better now through experience. It won't be a coincidence, but a physical realization. When it happens, you won't even be happy because then you'll just take it for granted.

This week especially, much faster. Upping o3's and dropping g.t. was the best. Eventually I can lessen it to a maintained dose of 3 grams or even less the second it's completely at adequate levels. My scalp is clear, so is my back and chest. And these aren't fluctuating results, but results of continual results over the past weeks. Benchmarks so to speak. Now my face is left. Yesterday I went 15 hours without blotting and half the time I would rub my face in my pillows trying to sleep. Also I was in finals week so my stress was 300% higher and I had constant headaches and my mind was completely messed up with finals. Any other time I would have paid the price with my face and oil production.

Still nothing. 1 month ago that wasn't possible. I would be paranoid and conscience and at night I would get oily, and blot through the day. I would still get acne, very annoying, especially scalp acne! It was getting better, but now it's the best. I finally feel like I am getting my life back and I am on the verge of almost not worrying at all. I'll give it one more month and by then it should be completely great.

One other way I can tell is my KP on the back of my arms. It's finally really smooth and the only bumps left are the small hairs that are pushing out through the extra keratin build up. Sometimes you can look close enough and see a white substance cover around the hair and you can peel it off, no wonder it got stuck. Now it's only small blemishes on the back of my arm from past inflamed KP and a couple of skin colored bumps that are minimally being held back. Eventually it will be gone, telling me that my body has used an adequate amount of omega 3 and my body is not at a "deficient" level, whatever ratio that may be internally.

So keep at it, give it three months, it's the same as losing a 100 pounds, it takes time for your body to turn into the opposite of what it used to be. I wish our bodies worked faster, but I learned that it's really slow with change, but patience is a virtue!

how do you use the information on nutrition.com, do you just do a search for the type of food, and copy the O6 and O3 figures into an excel spreadsheet (adding everything up for the day), or is there some other function that i'm not aware of.

When I started, that's what I did. It's okay if it's not completely accurate, you should get a general estimate of how you get daily. Mine was around 2.2 grams of omega 6 daily (and I don't eat too much).

So, Romeo, would you say that your facial acne has improved much, or are the results still out on that?

It is good to hear that you are having improvement, and motivates me to get more Omega 3's.

I am taking Cod Liver Oil, for the Omega 3's and for the Vitamin D, along with the Paleo Diet. I have seen improvement with the Paleo Diet alone, but am trying to do everything possible.

Another thing that I have been thinking about, you keep saying to avoid eggs because of the Omega 6, but if you buy eggs that are raised on a farm that actually lets them out to pasture (can't buy at a grocery store) they actually have a decent ratio of O6 to O3. Also, even at the a lot of grocery stores you can buy Omega 3 enhanced eggs.

how do you use the information on nutrition.com, do you just do a search for the type of food, and copy the O6 and O3 figures into an excel spreadsheet (adding everything up for the day), or is there some other function that i'm not aware of.

When I started, that's what I did. It's okay if it's not completely accurate, you should get a general estimate of how you get daily. Mine was around 2.2 grams of omega 6 daily (and I don't eat too much).

 

If you register an account at nutritiondata.com (its free), you can save all your common foods to a "pantry". Then for each day, make a "recipe" by adding the amounts of all the foods you ate for the day. The "recipe" will total not only your omega 3 and omega 6, but also your total amounts of carbs, protein, fat, calories, each vitamin, mineral and everything else that is listed. Once you get the hang of it, its 100x faster than a spreadsheet and pretty kick ass, I've been doing this on and off for the past two months.

Can someone help please? I started taking fish oil (3.2g) three weeks and 3 days ago. Shortly after that, I upped it to 4.2g or so. A week after I started the fish oil I added in green tea (2 x 400 mg a day). Last week my skin was starting to look really good. I had no new pimples except for a few whiteheads (which probably has to do with the fact that I only wash with water and don't exfoliate).

Exactly a week ago, I upped the green tea to 3-4 caps a day and also starting drinking 3 ounces aloe vera a day. Now, since Thursday, I started breaking out again! Mainly along my jawline and around my mouth. I had been getting used to waking up to no new pimples. I'm trying to figure out where I went wrong. I'm thinking it's probably not the green tea because I had been taking that for two weeks or so, so why would more make me break out? Do you think it could be the aloe? I know it was mentioned that green tea might inhibit absorption of fish oil because it's good for fat loss. I looked it up and aloe is supposed to help with fat loss too so maybe it was stopping the fish oil from being absorbed? I haven't been taking any green tea or aloe for two days now and I currently have 4 very big pimples and a few more under the surface waiting to come out.

This is so frustrating, I wish I knew what caused it. I also haven't changed my diet so that can't be it. I did go tanning last week but that never made me break out before so I'm hoping it wasn't that either. What should I do? Stop green tea completely for now or go back to only taking 2 caps a day? Thanks.

Hmm :think: Well, I would actually suspect the aloe vera over the green tea, especially if you are taking them within 3-4 hours of each other. Aloe is a mild laxative, if you take it too close to the fish oil you are just flushing it out. If you want to flush your system, take the time to do that, then load up on the o3's - but you can't do both simutaneously.

So, Romeo, would you say that your facial acne has improved much, or are the results still out on that?

It is good to hear that you are having improvement, and motivates me to get more Omega 3's.

I am taking Cod Liver Oil, for the Omega 3's and for the Vitamin D, along with the Paleo Diet. I have seen improvement with the Paleo Diet alone, but am trying to do everything possible.

Another thing that I have been thinking about, you keep saying to avoid eggs because of the Omega 6, but if you buy eggs that are raised on a farm that actually lets them out to pasture (can't buy at a grocery store) they actually have a decent ratio of O6 to O3. Also, even at the a lot of grocery stores you can buy Omega 3 enhanced eggs.

Yes, it shouldn't be really too much longer. The only thing that I have left on my face is this one dying white head that I had before I dropped green tea, I left it alone and as you know, without medication it takes a long time to subside. Along it's course it grew to a head and it popped by itself. I cleaned it the best I could and applied a small amount of BP, sadly it spread a it to surrounding areas but they are smaller (some clogged pores that will subside and not form heads) and now just waiting for the monster to go away so it cannot spread from further damage. My excess oil production is pretty much gone and have normal skin.

Do you happen to know the quantity of o3 and o6 with the eggs that are raised on farms? I just say take egg whites and skip the yolk, but I never say eggs all together. It would be up to the person, as it's not a matter of the ratio of what you eat, because if let's say for instance you eat three eggs and get a gram of omega 3, and omega 6, it's still too much omega 6 so the ratio won't matter. I just cut out omega 6 foods and up the omega 3, it just works out best, but again, egg whites are great, the yolks are the ones I hate, so regardless of how enriched some eggs are, I leave nothing to chance since it hasn't decreased the 06 content.

But on another note, I've gone without yolks so long that the other day I tried some, and I didn't like them anymore! Pretty strange, probably a psychological reaction lol 😆

how do you use the information on nutrition.com, do you just do a search for the type of food, and copy the O6 and O3 figures into an excel spreadsheet (adding everything up for the day), or is there some other function that i'm not aware of.

When I started, that's what I did. It's okay if it's not completely accurate, you should get a general estimate of how you get daily. Mine was around 2.2 grams of omega 6 daily (and I don't eat too much).

 

If you register an account at nutritiondata.com (its free), you can save all your common foods to a "pantry". Then for each day, make a "recipe" by adding the amounts of all the foods you ate for the day. The "recipe" will total not only your omega 3 and omega 6, but also your total amounts of carbs, protein, fat, calories, each vitamin, mineral and everything else that is listed. Once you get the hang of it, its 100x faster than a spreadsheet and pretty kick ass, I've been doing this on and off for the past two months.

 

Great idea, how much does yours come out to usually? I need to do that when I start lifting so I can get my calories in vs calories out and see my progress in detail.

Well it's good to hear of your progress Ndnromeo. I was just slightly put out when i saw bber had been taking huge amounts of omega 3 for quite a long time, yet wasn't clear. (i only assume this, so i may be wrong)

Good luck to all

Well it's good to hear of your progress Ndnromeo. I was just slightly put out when i saw bber had been taking huge amounts of omega 3 for quite a long time, yet wasn't clear. (i only assume this, so i may be wrong)

Good luck to all 😀

Don't worry, even though he isn't clear yet, he's had a huge difference. I remember him telling me a story on how he used to have moderate/severe acne and many derms he went to said he needed accutane, but then after fish oil he told me oil isn't a bother anymore. It was a huge difference. Plus take it into consideration that he is a bodybuilder so he gets a big amount of omega 6's since his diet is heavy, so therefore must counteract it with alot of 03's. So I am not sure exactly how much omega 3 excess he gets above the o6 intake. I am not sure how he's doing right now or if there are any updates. It also makes me wonder about a few things. How much omega 3 can your body absorb in a day? Is there some ceiling, that no matter how much you take, only xx amount can go through? Also, how long does it take to completely restore plentiful amounts in the body? Some people are estimating 3 to 6 months in full, the progress is looking that way. But we'll just let time tell, so far so good.

Hi, I was wondering if someone could answer some questions:

First, I started taking these Jamieson Natural Sources Salmon Oil pills 2 days ago. They say salmon, but ingredients say they get oil from a bunch of different fish. EPA is 180 mg, DHA is 120 mg. I took 5 pills the first day, 4 pills the second day.

1. These pills are huge, so I've kinda just been biting into them and spitting out the outer gel cap. Is this okay?

2. My skin has gotten really oily since taking these pills two days ago. Is that normal? My face hasn't been this oily since pre-Accutane.

Do you have a picture of how big they are (can you take one), because they are relatively big, but I don't know if just biting into them and drinking it would be beneficial. But not sure, you sure you can't swallow it? In the beginning I was a bit concerned, but you get used to it. I can now down them like water, literally in seconds, it's become natural. In the beginning I was scared since it was a bit big.

Your skin shouldn't have that type of reaction in a few days, because it actually takes a while for your body to store and start using it since you are in such deficit. Are you sure you aren't allergic to fish? And are you sure that the sebum increase was that drastic? If so, try stopping for a couple of days and see what happens. Keep experimenting. It shouldn't do that. Make sure it's not just your accutane wearing off (as people say it stops getting effective).

Keep me posted

 

They're about the 2x the size of a small throat lozenge, lol I've choked on much smaller things than that. I will try to swallow one, though.

Yeah, I think I'll stop for a few days to see if it's really the fish oil. It has been the only thing in my diet that has really changed. I know I'm not allergic to fish because I eat a ton of raw fish. I also didn't think I'd be so affected by it because I was taking 2tsp of flax seed a day before this and didn't have any problems.

I've been off Accutane since December, so I'm assuming most of it's flushed out of my system by now.

Well, we'll see, I'll post later on.

My face is settling down again....ive pretty much determined that the rosehip oil I was applying caused my breakouts(god why did I risk that?)because I had a couple weeks on this regimen where I didn't get a single breakout or just a small irrelevant white head...and then on friday after about 2 weeks using the rosehip oil I got a fuckin huge cyst on my face(at which point I stopped the rosehip) and then I got a couple new ones, though not quite as bad, every day...I was totally about to get depressed and then finally yesterday I was starting to get a small breakout and then it kinda stopped and never got bad and then with no breakout today I realized it WAS the rosehip oil because I got taht really bad cyst on friday and then each day(that I wasn't using) leading up to today the breakouts were weaker and now theyve stopped...so I am SOOOOOOO relieved I figured out what it was and its on its way out because you have no idea how much of a mess I was, thinking all this progress I had made was about to go bye bye...WHEW, haha.

but anyways ive still got my faith in fish oil now but im still using ACV too...ill keep recording progress here...btw does anyone know about how long weve been taking this now? i started within a couple days of Ndn and I think bber too? it seems like its been a good couple months now....anyways I hope lots more people are starting to see progress with this...and remember DONT USE ROSEHIP OIL!!! dont do what i did...red marks and scars will go away eventually

Question...

Are the fish oil capsules supposed to have any sort of aftertaste whatsover? Mine do - it's not a strong aftertaste - but after I swallow them I can definitely tell I just took something.

I'm using the Nature's Valley brand. Bought them at Walmart. Does anyone else use these?

I just started to take GNC's Fish Body Oils 1000. The EPA is 180mg and the DHA is 120mg. The directions on the label say to take 2 daily. Should i take 2 at once or take one in the morning and the other around the evening? also i eat lots of meat.

anyone familiar with dr mercola, he reckons that even whole grains such as oats and rye is also a culprit in the development of acne.

high gi/gl and high carb diets also mean high insulin.

Dr. loren cordain (paleo diet)suggests acnes underlying cause to be hyperinsulinemia(insulin resistance) and in typical cases of pcos in women usually also have acne and are treated with insulin sensitizing drugs like metformin with great success.

makes you think it could be same for the guys as well, but ive never read a study that examines peoples insulin levels and glucose tolerance in relation to their severity or presence or lack of acne. If anyone ever does send it my way Please.

would the intake of fish oil pills affect the effect of other pills like BCP, or accutane?

My face is settling down again....ive pretty much determined that the rosehip oil I was applying caused my breakouts(god why did I risk that?)because I had a couple weeks on this regimen where I didn't get a single breakout or just a small irrelevant white head...and then on friday after about 2 weeks using the rosehip oil I got a fuckin huge cyst on my face(at which point I stopped the rosehip) and then I got a couple new ones, though not quite as bad, every day...I was totally about to get depressed and then finally yesterday I was starting to get a small breakout and then it kinda stopped and never got bad and then with no breakout today I realized it WAS the rosehip oil because I got taht really bad cyst on friday and then each day(that I wasn't using) leading up to today the breakouts were weaker and now theyve stopped...so I am SOOOOOOO relieved I figured out what it was and its on its way out because you have no idea how much of a mess I was, thinking all this progress I had made was about to go bye bye...WHEW, haha.

but anyways ive still got my faith in fish oil now but im still using ACV too...ill keep recording progress here...btw does anyone know about how long weve been taking this now? i started within a couple days of Ndn and I think bber too? it seems like its been a good couple months now....anyways I hope lots more people are starting to see progress with this...and remember DONT USE ROSEHIP OIL!!! dont do what i did...red marks and scars will go away eventually

Thank you for your heads up! I think the same thing may happen with me and jojoba oil, but I can't be sure.

Don't worry, it's good to learn from personal experience. I could tell you so many dumb things I tried during omega 3's course that failed that made me doubt the effects of it. But it was the other things which caused it.

For example, I used toilet paper covers to blot my face because I was trying to find a cheap way to blot, but realized that the toiler paper covers have small bits that flake off, the size of dead skin. Go figure, I plugged my skin in the weirdest places! That took 2 weeks to clear completely. Then one day I found an oil cleansing method, where they washed their face with oil (half castor oil/have olive oil) since oil loosens up oil better than water. I got a deep plug of oil that took 3 weeks to finally recover. I've have many set backs, which sucked.

So just stick to what you know is safe, and keep on trucking, it's so tempting, especially when you keep reading new threads or old ones that have had success for a few people. You then don't know what's causing a break out so you blame everything else till you actually realize what's it. I think acne is making us psychologically paranoid in some ways and I hate it! Like at times I'd believe that people eating oily food around me will cause me break outs and the reason I had it was because of them. Dumb things like that.

would the intake of fish oil pills affect the effect of other pills like BCP, or accutane?

I'm not sure to be honest with you, I honestly can't imagine it will. It's as safe as eating protein or carbs. It's a maco nutrient, so if it's unsafe to eat anything fatty with these medications, then it may be unsafe, but I highly doubt it. You may want to ask the doc just to be sure, but I don't think it can. Just don't take quote me on it though.

Question...

Are the fish oil capsules supposed to have any sort of aftertaste whatsover? Mine do - it's not a strong aftertaste - but after I swallow them I can definitely tell I just took something.

I'm using the Nature's Valley brand. Bought them at Walmart. Does anyone else use these?

Hm, as in from the capsule coating? As long as you aren't experiencing any fish burps, you should be fine, I believe. Do the rancid tests if you feel unsure.

I just started to take GNC's Fish Body Oils 1000. The EPA is 180mg and the DHA is 120mg. The directions on the label say to take 2 daily. Should i take 2 at once or take one in the morning and the other around the evening? also i eat lots of meat.

You should take 3 a day to start at minimum. Remember, the recommended doses don't know what your taking it for =) It's just a general statement, sort of like the general surgeon saying, "You must be active 30 minutes a day"

high gi/gl and high carb diets also mean high insulin.

Dr. loren cordain (paleo diet)suggests acnes underlying cause to be hyperinsulinemia(insulin resistance) and in typical cases of pcos in women usually also have acne and are treated with insulin sensitizing drugs like metformin with great success.

makes you think it could be same for the guys as well, but ive never read a study that examines peoples insulin levels and glucose tolerance in relation to their severity or presence or lack of acne. If anyone ever does send it my way Please.

Hey autonomous, do you still happen to have that image of the cascade of omega 3 down the conversion course (the ALA > d6d enzyme> DHA > EPA > **) It even had the GLA's in there from AA. Could you post the link? I'm trying to find it. I want to study it more. I would really appreciate it 🙂

since fish oil helps regulate the oil and B5 shuts off the oil

Do you think a combo of both could be... *grasps*... the ultimate cure?

since fish oil helps regulate the oil and B5 shuts off the oil

Do you think a combo of both could be... *grasps*... the ultimate cure?

I think if you get to a point with fish oil that your oil is very minimal and then adding a slight bit of b5, it may do the trick, but you know I have no clue. You are getting me very tempted now with this idea. Damnit. :shifty:

But see, I'm not sure about the interaction of b5 with fish oil. Since b5 metabolizes fats and what not and uses it as energy (is that right?) will it just burn up the fish oil instead?

I don't know if I'll try it. I'll wait till the end of the month before experimenting.

Want to try for us =)!

Yea It'll might cancel it out. You're right about that.

edit: If you could find out, since you're a research guru and all, I'll be your experimental guinea pig.

So i've jumped onboard the fishwagon once again.

Health Balance Super Concentrate omega-3. 400 EPA/200 DHA per pill.

I found these at Costco. 240 pills for $26 Cdn. Thats a tip for any Canadians reading this.

Right now I'm taking 6 capsules a day, 2 per meal. That's 3.6g o3's.

I'll try this for 2 weeks along with a lowered o6 diet and then i'll probably raise the dose.

The last time I took fish oils they gave me SUPER gas. So far (2 days) no sign of that.

I'll add an update here each week. My acne right now is mild, but my skin is oily. Thick, sticky, smelly sebum

I really hope this will at least reduce the oil somewhat.

Any other fishheads out there, tell the rest of us how its going so far.

I'm also thinking of doing a comboination of fish oil, B5 and panthethine.. these might do the trick.

Panthethine is the disgested form of B5 and B5 is the pre-digested form. Them 2 could aid each other and do a tag team on acne. Add fish oil to it and you have a deadly 1-2-3 combo.

You see, add all these things together could throw your whole body chemistry off and it would never wont hit it. They will work together and attack acne as a team from different angles.

Just a theory I have

how do you use the information on nutrition.com, do you just do a search for the type of food, and copy the O6 and O3 figures into an excel spreadsheet (adding everything up for the day), or is there some other function that i'm not aware of.

When I started, that's what I did. It's okay if it's not completely accurate, you should get a general estimate of how you get daily. Mine was around 2.2 grams of omega 6 daily (and I don't eat too much).

 

If you register an account at nutritiondata.com (its free), you can save all your common foods to a "pantry". Then for each day, make a "recipe" by adding the amounts of all the foods you ate for the day. The "recipe" will total not only your omega 3 and omega 6, but also your total amounts of carbs, protein, fat, calories, each vitamin, mineral and everything else that is listed. Once you get the hang of it, its 100x faster than a spreadsheet and pretty kick ass, I've been doing this on and off for the past two months.

 

Great idea, how much does yours come out to usually? I need to do that when I start lifting so I can get my calories in vs calories out and see my progress in detail.

 

My ratios vary quite a bit and that's why I think its helpful to track to get an appreciation on how much your ratios can really differ day to day rather than just calculating it once. For example, back when I was eating a lot of nuts and used cooking oils my omega 6's would total up to 20 - 30 g and my ratio would be around 10:1 before fish oil and around 5 or 6:1 after fish oil. I can only imagine what it is for people who eat a lot of processed foods w/ oils.

However, if I eat fish and limit nuts and oils my ratio is around 2 or 3:1. Last week, I started breaking out really bad and couldn't figure out why until I realized I had gone sloppy on the nuts again. For the past 4 days now, I've had salmon everyday and completely avoided nuts (basically the Perricone diet w/o the nuts) and I swear my skin is the best it has been in forever. No new breakouts in this time (and this includes a day and a half of being in a drunken stupor!). I've gotten around 7 or 8 grams of both o3 and o6 (the o6 almost entirely from extra virgin olive oil).

I encourage you all to eat some fish (within safe limits of course) rather than just rely on fish oil! There have to be many additional benefits other than just the o3 especially if we evolved on a fish diet.

high gi/gl and high carb diets also mean high insulin.

Dr. loren cordain (paleo diet)suggests acnes underlying cause to be hyperinsulinemia(insulin resistance) and in typical cases of pcos in women usually also have acne and are treated with insulin sensitizing drugs like metformin with great success.

makes you think it could be same for the guys as well, but ive never read a study that examines peoples insulin levels and glucose tolerance in relation to their severity or presence or lack of acne. If anyone ever does send it my way Please.

Hey autonomous, do you still happen to have that image of the cascade of omega 3 down the conversion course (the ALA > d6d enzyme> DHA > EPA > **) It even had the GLA's in there from AA. Could you post the link? I'm trying to find it. I want to study it more. I would really appreciate it 🙂

 

Was that off wikipedia? Also, I recommend reading "The Queen of Fats: Why Omega 3's were removed from the Western Diet..." , Susan Allport. I checked it out of my library. It does discuss the various conversions among many other things in a not too scientific but not too layman terms way I think perfect for our background. Nothing really earth shattering in the book, but a good history of the research.