Yes, that is of help, but I still have some more questions:

- The recommended daily intake for GNC's liquid CLO is one teaspoon (5ml) daily. 5ml is also the Serving Size. In our acne-related cases, would we have to take more of that per day? Wouldn't that be deadly with the Vit A & D, and also considering that I take Mega Men multis (with their own numerous amounts of Vitamin A & D) every day and often drink Orange Juice (some of which contains Calcium/Vitamin D additives as well)?

I posted a link earlier about how misunderstood we were about vitamin A. We found from reliable and credible sources that natural vitamin A found in cod liver oil has a much higher upper level intake ceiling than synthetic and emulsified forms. It turns out they were 10 more toxic, and the original ceilings listed were set for only those type. Also, vitamin D prevents much vitamin A toxicity as well, so there's twice the effect. If you would like, I can pull up those articles again and post them for you. So that is also why they even recommend up to 3 teaspoons (15 ml), but I stay at 2 (10 ml). Be sure to use the measuring cup and not the household flatware as the sizes varry greatly.

Also one of the reasons is that half of your multi is beta carotene, which is non toxic since it's a precursor to vitamin A. The body takes what it needs and uses the rest for something else. Carrots are full of these and have ridiculous amounts. That is why they are safe to eat. And also the rest of the 50% is synthetic, but we can be sure we don't absorb 100% of it, probably not close.

The next benefit is the CLO has the richest, most abundant source of retinol. It will keep you much younger looking than anyone (side bonus) if you keep it as your regimen 🙂 I really do believe retinol is close to the fountain of youth as well as antioxidants Heh.

- The total amount of Omega-3 per 5ml serving of GNC liquid CLO is 837mg, how's that sound?

That sounds about correct 🙂 2 doses should be adequate. If you do decide you want more omega 3, it would be best to buy the liquid fish oil to supplement with the CLO in addition. But generally that amount should suffice more than plenty.

 

- I've also been hearing Zinc tossed around here and there on this thread. My Mega Men multi's provide Zinc as well:

Zinc (as Zinc Oxide) 25.00 mg 167% DV

Is that adequate enough per day? I'm telling ya, these multis have almost everything!

You can throw in an additional 50 mg if you would like, just don't go above 90-100 mg. I used to use NOW Adam. It's comparable to GNC mega mens. I've seen most people use Adam over mega men's at bodybuilding.com as well. It's a great multi as well, they are almost similar though, so they are both great :). I don't use it anymore because sometimes I'd get too much of one thing or too little of one. Also the other issue is that since we don't know how much is absorbed, I really could not be sure of what I was getting since I had to be absolutely sure. The next issue arises that when we put all the vitamins in one, they begin competing with each other. Like Calcium is absorbed over zinc, and same with copper and iron (I forgot their direct relation), so there are those issues too. So that was my personal reason why I did not continue it, but rather set myself up with a vitamin regimen where what I was not getting enough of in my diet, I customized what I needed and bought it individually 🙂

- Honestly...........do these liquid CLO's taste bad, specifically the GNC one?

I have not had the GNC one, though if is supposed to be fresh, it should not taste like anything. Once you buy it, put it in the fridge. You should be good to go. Or you may just use the twin labs cherry flavored brand. From my experience with that, there is no aftertaste at all, it just goes down straight and cool. If you do get it, do not get the emulsified one.

 

If most of my fears are qualmed that I'll spring for a bottle of GNC liquid CLO

Answers in bold 🙂

Ok NDN, here it goes

I live on a college diet so as you can imagine.. not the healthiest

Let's see -

Breakfast usually consists of

-Two Eggs (Salt/Pepper), Toast

or

-Cereal (Cherrios)

-Apple or Banana

-Milk or Juice

Lunch

-Lots of PBJ sandwiches

or

-Pizza

or

-A lot of takeout, chinese, grilled subs, etc

Dinner is relatively the same

basically whatever I have time for.. I take a multivitamin every day

Thats about it.. if you need specifics in amounts and calories.. that may be a tad difficult to gather

Let me know if you need more info

Thanks!

Hey man how's it going. No worries, I go to college too so I can imagine how hectic it is.

Your diet does seem poor but it is what it is. Meaning it's not a good thing but under circumstances we can't help it at times.

I think the biggest changes you can do are as follows:

Buy some

Cod liver oil as mentioned through this thread. It will provide you with vitamin A. Omega 3. And vitamin D. (Make sure it's the twin labs, or gnc brand. If you get twin labs, make sure it is not emulsified (mirky looking). It should be oil (clear).

zinc (50 mg) - 1 a day

chromium (200 or 500 mcg, it's up to you) - 1 a day

(take these three together)

b complex (b-50, or b-100, it's up to you) - 1 a day

vitamin C (500 mg) - 2 or 3 a day

(take these two alone or together)

I know it seems like a lot, but the good thing is they are really cheap. And they will last you a really long time. Most bottles will go for 3 months. The cod liver oil will be probably 6 weeks. The vitamin C a little less, but it ends up being pennies a day if you do the math.

The last question is, how much peanut butter do you eat a day.

Also be sure to carry water around with you and get 8 to 10 glasses daily. That is optimal to the minimal level.

I really believe these will be extremely beneficial and should bring in great changes. Just be sure to take them after meals and not on an empty stomach 🙂

Very Nice. Thanks very much. I will certainly try it. On the fat intake, can I just eat more foods that are higher in fat rather than take olive oil? And what other foods would be good to supplement the fat besides peanuts. I assume you don't mean greasy foods, etc?

Nope, one of the reasons is that there are many type of fats. Most of the greasy fatty foods are trans fats / hydrogenated oils / saturated fats (from animals especially), and so on. The reason I mention olive oil and peanuts is the ratio of linoleic acid (omega 6 fat that your body is lacking) and monosaturated fat ratio. If you take these, you will get the amount of fat you need in a day (about 65 grams) and also it will call in range with the amount of linoleic acid your body needs in a day too (between 10 to 15 grams a day). So basically it will give you a perfect, healthy, and optimal balance.

Also be sure it's extra virgin olive oil, I forgot to mention that 🙂

 

peanut butter ok too?

I just started taking Cod Liver Oil last Friday and in less than a week, I've seen some really great improvements in my skin. I have mild acne thanks to Accutane 2 years ago (I used to have moderate/severe acne) although I still get breakouts. Ever since I started taking this, the texture and complexion seems to be much better. The pimples started to heal faster (in a day or so) and it also somewhat diminishes the red spots from previous acne. I did have a mild breakout (maybe 2-4 small pimples) but they have subsided. The only side effect I notice is chapped lips due to Vitamin A, although I hope to God my hair doesn't thin unlike with Accutane.

Anyway, I take 2 teaspoons of liquid CLO a day (during breakfast and during dinner).

Cod liver oil as mentioned through this thread. It will provide you with vitamin A. Omega 3. And vitamin D. (Make sure it's the twin labs, or gnc brand. If you get twin labs, make sure it is not emulsified (mirky looking). It should be oil (clear).

zinc (50 mg) - 1 a day

chromium (200 or 500 mcg, it's up to you) - 1 a day

(take these three together)

b complex (b-50, or b-100, it's up to you) - 1 a day

vitamin C (500 mg) - 2 or 3 a day

(take these two alone or together)

So, should I drop the multi vitamin all together? And also, I have a supply of Nature's Bounty clear Fish Oil, should I just scrap that and go straight to CLO?

I don't eat THAT much peanut butter to answer your question hehe.

Either way, thanks for the advice I appreciate it!

Cod liver oil as mentioned through this thread. It will provide you with vitamin A. Omega 3. And vitamin D. (Make sure it's the twin labs, or gnc brand. If you get twin labs, make sure it is not emulsified (mirky looking). It should be oil (clear).

zinc (50 mg) - 1 a day

chromium (200 or 500 mcg, it's up to you) - 1 a day

(take these three together)

b complex (b-50, or b-100, it's up to you) - 1 a day

vitamin C (500 mg) - 2 or 3 a day

(take these two alone or together)

So, should I drop the multi vitamin all together? And also, I have a supply of Nature's Bounty clear Fish Oil, should I just scrap that and go straight to CLO?

I don't eat THAT much peanut butter to answer your question hehe.

Either way, thanks for the advice I appreciate it!

Nope, you don't have to drop the multi, though I won't know how much it will matter either ways, so that will be up to you 🙂

Try getting in 4 servings of good fats a day. The reason is they contain the right type of oils to feed our sebaceous glands . Linoleic acid especially. Can you get 4 servings of nuts in a day? I find the serving size with peanuts are much easier to take in then peanut butter. I would recommend olive oil, but they contain about the same structure, with just a bit more linoleic acid instead, which is perfect, but still containing mostly mono (omega 9). Also the main reason I won't suggest olive oil in your case is that there's no real place you can add it into your lifestyle.

So if you eat one PB sandwhich a day, then take 3 servings of nuts. 🙂

peanut butter ok too?

Yup. Some people will say otherwise but from personal experience it has done nothing but great things. Lots of good fats in the perfect ratio, lots of protein, full of manganese and about 7 minerals. Salt value is still negligable. Great food. Some say it's a source of phytoestrogen, but I looked up the amount, and it was almost nothing. So continue, it will do 10x more good than any bad.

I just started taking Cod Liver Oil last Friday and in less than a week, I've seen some really great improvements in my skin. I have mild acne thanks to Accutane 2 years ago (I used to have moderate/severe acne) although I still get breakouts. Ever since I started taking this, the texture and complexion seems to be much better. The pimples started to heal faster (in a day or so) and it also somewhat diminishes the red spots from previous acne. I did have a mild breakout (maybe 2-4 small pimples) but they have subsided. The only side effect I notice is chapped lips due to Vitamin A, although I hope to God my hair doesn't thin unlike with Accutane.

Anyway, I take 2 teaspoons of liquid CLO a day (during breakfast and during dinner).

Yes, that is great news!

Make sure you are drinking adequate water. It regulates oil glands effectively back to normal levels, and also hydrates skin.

I've got some tips for you. If you are sensitive to retinol, what I would do is take 1 serving of cod liver oil a day, then take 1 serving of regular fish oil a day. This way you get all your omega 3 value, still getting 100% of your daily retinol needs without having to worry about side effects :). Make sense?

Here's a good brand for regular fish oil:

http://www.carlsonlabs.com/product_detail....mp;categid=03a9

You will still have continued success but this way also allows you to avoid any possible side effects.

The next step (very important), like I tell everyone is make sure you getting enough good oils in your diet! Reason being is you should feel your skin the type of oils that soothe, not clog, pores. Make your sebaceous glands worth with you, not against. Like i recommend to everyone, get 4 servings of good fats a day. 4 servings from peanuts is probably the easiest way. I take extra virgin olive oil and peanuts. About 2 from evoo, and 3 from peanuts. It adds up to about the same as just 4 servings of nuts.

Trust me, it's worth it! And they are cheap. $2 per bottle at the knock off brands at the supermarket.

The GNC does taste like fish... what I imagine what real cod tastes like. I think I just don't like the taste of fish. It shouldn't be spoiled right? Since I no longer have nausea after CLO. Though lately, I've come to the conclusion that maybe it's Zinc (100mg) that makes me nauseated.

Also, should I up my dose to 10mL? And slowly decrease to 5mL?

I am sorry if this has been asked before Romeo. But about the good fats that you been talking lately about. So you take CLO for the omega3. Which I do too (2 teaspoons)> And you said you take olive oil for omega 9. And is thet peanuts for omega 6? I thought omega 6 is in most foods so people don't have problems getting them. Thanks in advance

Yes, that is of help, but I still have some more questions:

- The recommended daily intake for GNC's liquid CLO is one teaspoon (5ml) daily. 5ml is also the Serving Size. In our acne-related cases, would we have to take more of that per day? Wouldn't that be deadly with the Vit A & D, and also considering that I take Mega Men multis (with their own numerous amounts of Vitamin A & D) every day and often drink Orange Juice (some of which contains Calcium/Vitamin D additives as well)?

I posted a link earlier about how misunderstood we were about vitamin A. We found from reliable and credible sources that natural vitamin A found in cod liver oil has a much higher upper level intake ceiling than synthetic and emulsified forms. It turns out they were 10 more toxic, and the original ceilings listed were set for only those type. Also, vitamin D prevents much vitamin A toxicity as well, so there's twice the effect. If you would like, I can pull up those articles again and post them for you. So that is also why they even recommend up to 3 teaspoons (15 ml), but I stay at 2 (10 ml). Be sure to use the measuring cup and not the household flatware as the sizes varry greatly.

Also one of the reasons is that half of your multi is beta carotene, which is non toxic since it's a precursor to vitamin A. The body takes what it needs and uses the rest for something else. Carrots are full of these and have ridiculous amounts. That is why they are safe to eat. And also the rest of the 50% is synthetic, but we can be sure we don't absorb 100% of it, probably not close.

The next benefit is the CLO has the richest, most abundant source of retinol. It will keep you much younger looking than anyone (side bonus) if you keep it as your regimen 🙂 I really do believe retinol is close to the fountain of youth as well as antioxidants Heh.

- The total amount of Omega-3 per 5ml serving of GNC liquid CLO is 837mg, how's that sound?

That sounds about correct 🙂 2 doses should be adequate. If you do decide you want more omega 3, it would be best to buy the liquid fish oil to supplement with the CLO in addition. But generally that amount should suffice more than plenty.

 

- I've also been hearing Zinc tossed around here and there on this thread. My Mega Men multi's provide Zinc as well:

Zinc (as Zinc Oxide) 25.00 mg 167% DV

Is that adequate enough per day? I'm telling ya, these multis have almost everything!

You can throw in an additional 50 mg if you would like, just don't go above 90-100 mg. I used to use NOW Adam. It's comparable to GNC mega mens. I've seen most people use Adam over mega men's at bodybuilding.com as well. It's a great multi as well, they are almost similar though, so they are both great :). I don't use it anymore because sometimes I'd get too much of one thing or too little of one. Also the other issue is that since we don't know how much is absorbed, I really could not be sure of what I was getting since I had to be absolutely sure. The next issue arises that when we put all the vitamins in one, they begin competing with each other. Like Calcium is absorbed over zinc, and same with copper and iron (I forgot their direct relation), so there are those issues too. So that was my personal reason why I did not continue it, but rather set myself up with a vitamin regimen where what I was not getting enough of in my diet, I customized what I needed and bought it individually 🙂

- Honestly...........do these liquid CLO's taste bad, specifically the GNC one?

I have not had the GNC one, though if is supposed to be fresh, it should not taste like anything. Once you buy it, put it in the fridge. You should be good to go. Or you may just use the twin labs cherry flavored brand. From my experience with that, there is no aftertaste at all, it just goes down straight and cool. If you do get it, do not get the emulsified one.

 

If most of my fears are qualmed that I'll spring for a bottle of GNC liquid CLO

Answers in bold 🙂

 

Thanks for the detailed responses Romeo!

Well, I went ahead and purchased a bottle of GNC's Liquid Norwegian Cod Liver Oil today, and plan on opening it tommorrow. Before I do so however, I have two other questions:

- Should I take the CLO with food (kinda skeptical on that, dunno how it would "vibe" with my food and digestion, Mega Men vibes just fine with both though) or can I just take it straight in the morning and at night?

- Can I take the CLO soon before/after or at the same with my Mega Men multis? Think they would both "vibe" well together or cause havoc within me? I'm constantly in a hurry during the morning/aftenoon (college classes) so I don't think I can't afford to space doses of both out.

Again, any help would be appreciated.

The GNC does taste like fish... what I imagine what real cod tastes like. I think I just don't like the taste of fish. It shouldn't be spoiled right? Since I no longer have nausea after CLO. Though lately, I've come to the conclusion that maybe it's Zinc (100mg) that makes me nauseated.

Also, should I up my dose to 10mL? And slowly decrease to 5mL?

Ah there you go!

Make sure you are taking it with heaps of food. I learned from experience. One morning I got up had some fruit and something else. I took some zinc and the next hour was torture, I felt so sick and nauseous, it will make everything seem like it is making you nauseous. Zinc is no joke, be sure it's taken with food. I would take a 50 mg instead 🙂

You can take 10 ml right away. Meaning 2 teaspoons. One being in the morning, and one at night. Eventually your retinol levels will be great and then you will only need one teaspoon a day. You can then take liquid fish oil to compliment the cod liver oil so you get just enough of omega 3, and just enough retinol. But to compensate in the beginning, 2 servings is the best. It's also safe so no worries there.

Just be sure you are getting enough other good fats, since these vitamins are fat soluble, if you don't get enough fat in your diet, they will hamper the results too.

Our bodies are complicated, don't you just love it =P

I am sorry if this has been asked before Romeo. But about the good fats that you been talking lately about. So you take CLO for the omega3. Which I do too (2 teaspoons)> And you said you take olive oil for omega 9. And is thet peanuts for omega 6? I thought omega 6 is in most foods so people don't have problems getting them. Thanks in advance 😀

I'll be more than happy to clarify so no worries 🙂

Olive oil and Peanuts contain Polyunsatured fats, and Monosatured fats.

Now, Polysaturated fats include omega 3, and omega 6. Mono is omega 9.

Our bodies demand a minimum of 65 grams of fat a day to function properly, absorb vitamins, retain water, mood health, and many other vital functions dealing with sebum, skin, water retention, etc.

Of these 65 grams of fat, the perfect ideal intake of each group is as follows

2 grams of omega 3 (from epa/dha)

10-15 grams of omega 6

and the rest from mono (omega 9).

Monosatured fats (omega 9) are good because they reduce LDL and keep HDL levels from dropping. Awesome.

Linoleic acid (omega 6) is the fatty acid that our sebaceous glands draw from to nourish the skin. A lack of these fats cause our bodies to use omega 9 fats that our bodies produce on it's own, which is very comedogenic to our skin, and works against us. Omega 6 fats are also converted to GLA in healthy bodies, which is anti-inflammatory along with omega 3. The bad omega 6 fats are another story, but peanuts and olive oil have none of those. Also, our bodies look to use linoleic acid first hence why even if we eat monosatured fats they are still good, as long as we are getting linoleic acid.

Omega 3 fats of course you know what they do.

Now, the difference in olive oil and peanuts is that they are both roughly 15 grams per serving.

BUT, olive oil contains 1.5 grams of linoleic acid and 13.5 grams of omega 9.

Peanuts contain 4 grams of linoleic acid and 11 grams of omega 9.

So hence why I get a few servings of peanuts AND olive oil. Because if I eat only nuts, then I may have too much omega 6. But if I eat only olive oil, I won't get enough omega 6.

Follow me so far?

Next, you are correct that most people do get too much omega 6 in their diet. But we forget that it's only unhealthy people we talk about, those that eat out all the time, and eat fast food. But when we have control over our diet, we tend to forget that when we make our own foods, we get almost none unless WE put it in our diets :).

The unhealthy get too much saturated/trans/hydrogenated + TOO much omega 6, and the super conscious tend to get too little of any fats.

So we have to be in equilibrium.

I hope that answers your questions 🙂

Thanks for the detailed responses Romeo!

Well, I went ahead and purchased a bottle of GNC's Liquid Norwegian Cod Liver Oil today, and plan on opening it tommorrow. Before I do so however, I have two other questions:

- Should I take the CLO with food (kinda skeptical on that, dunno how it would "vibe" with my food and digestion, Mega Men vibes just fine with both though) or can I just take it straight in the morning and at night?

- Can I take the CLO soon before/after or at the same with my Mega Men multis? Think they would both "vibe" well together or cause havoc within me? I'm constantly in a hurry during the morning/aftenoon (college classes) so I don't think I can't afford to space doses of both out.

Again, any help would be appreciated.

Anytime, I really like helping everyone as much as I can.

You can definitely take it in the morning, after food, and even with your multi. Just be sure it's in the fridge so it's cold. Also get a measuring cup that has 1 teaspoon (5ml) listed. An easy way is go to your medicine cabinet and pull out some cough syrup. On the cap they give you those small measuring cups :). I use that. I just plop it over the top of the bottle and I am set to go.

Let me know how it tastes like.

I am sorry if this has been asked before Romeo. But about the good fats that you been talking lately about. So you take CLO for the omega3. Which I do too (2 teaspoons)> And you said you take olive oil for omega 9. And is thet peanuts for omega 6? I thought omega 6 is in most foods so people don't have problems getting them. Thanks in advance 😀

I'll be more than happy to clarify so no worries 🙂

Olive oil and Peanuts contain Polyunsatured fats, and Monosatured fats.

Now, Polysaturated fats include omega 3, and omega 6. Mono is omega 9.

Our bodies demand a minimum of 65 grams of fat a day to function properly, absorb vitamins, retain water, mood health, and many other vital functions dealing with sebum, skin, water retention, etc.

Of these 65 grams of fat, the perfect ideal intake of each group is as follows

2 grams of omega 3 (from epa/dha)

10-15 grams of omega 6

and the rest from mono (omega 9).

Monosatured fats (omega 9) are good because they reduce LDL and keep HDL levels from dropping. Awesome.

Linoleic acid (omega 6) is the fatty acid that our sebaceous glands draw from to nourish the skin. A lack of these fats cause our bodies to use omega 9 fats that our bodies produce on it's own, which is very comedogenic to our skin, and works against us. Omega 6 fats are also converted to GLA in healthy bodies, which is anti-inflammatory along with omega 3. The bad omega 6 fats are another story, but peanuts and olive oil have none of those. Also, our bodies look to use linoleic acid first hence why even if we eat monosatured fats they are still good, as long as we are getting linoleic acid.

Omega 3 fats of course you know what they do.

Now, the difference in olive oil and peanuts is that they are both roughly 15 grams per serving.

BUT, olive oil contains 1.5 grams of linoleic acid and 13.5 grams of omega 9.

Peanuts contain 4 grams of linoleic acid and 11 grams of omega 9.

So hence why I get a few servings of peanuts AND olive oil. Because if I eat only nuts, then I may have too much omega 6. But if I eat only olive oil, I won't get enough omega 6.

Follow me so far?

Next, you are correct that most people do get too much omega 6 in their diet. But we forget that it's only unhealthy people we talk about, those that eat out all the time, and eat fast food. But when we have control over our diet, we tend to forget that when we make our own foods, we get almost none unless WE put it in our diets :).

The unhealthy get too much saturated/trans/hydrogenated + TOO much omega 6, and the super conscious tend to get too little of any fats.

So we have to be in equilibrium.

I hope that answers your questions 🙂

 

Aw thank you for your quick response Romeo :dance:

Just to clarify, you meant Monounsaturated fats NOT Monosaturated fats. Just wanted to make sure 🙂

Yeah I definetly get Omega 3 with CLO and eating fish. And Omega 9, I take in form of olive oil everyday in my salads or fruit smoothies. I noticed two tablespoons of olive oil equal to 20.4 grams of Monounsaturated fat. So I definetly get enough of that. Omega 6 is something I will look into further. So far this is working for me:) I remember Bob talked about GLA. He suggested these supplements and I noticed they contain Omega 6: http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/now-super_primrose_1300mg.htm

http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/now-borage_oil_240mg_gla.htm

When I took these (this was before fish oil), it didn't really do anything to me. Omega 3 was the thing that helped me the most and adding daily olive oil. but mostly omega 3. Anyways, I figure I post those supplements on here since they are good sources 😀

Of these 65 grams of fat, the perfect ideal intake of each group is as follows

2 grams of omega 3 (from epa/dha)

10-15 grams of omega 6

and the rest from mono (omega 9).

Where are you getting this info from?

65 g of fat is, IMO not much at all... is that your total daily intake?

If you have 2 grams n3 for every 10-15 gram n6 you wont get a very good balance.

Hunter gatherers have levels around 1:1-3 of n3 to n6. Cutting down on your nuts/veg oils and replacing them with animal fats (lard,tallow,butter) and coconut oil will reduce the amount of omega 6 and will yield a better ratio. Especially if they are coming from grass fed animals.

And what about the saturates? Why are you avoiding them?

Of these 65 grams of fat, the perfect ideal intake of each group is as follows

2 grams of omega 3 (from epa/dha)

10-15 grams of omega 6

and the rest from mono (omega 9).

Where are you getting this info from?

65 g of fat is, IMO not much at all... is that your total daily intake?

If you have 2 grams n3 for every 10-15 gram n6 you wont get a very good balance.

Hunter gatherers have levels around 1:1-3 of n3 to n6. Cutting down on your nuts/veg oils and replacing them with animal fats (lard,tallow,butter) and coconut oil will reduce the amount of omega 6 and will yield a better ratio. Especially if they are coming from grass fed animals.

And what about the saturates? Why are you avoiding them?

 

65 grams is the RDA and its just a minimum. I hover more around 100 grams (still within the 10-15 or even more LA range). I advise the RDA because most people who are fat deficient barely get even a 1/3 of that looking at their diets, so 65 grams is a good place to be and a great start for many, and even that they have a hard time getting in. 🙂 Though I know its not optimal, its a good medium to be in. Hope that makes sense.

I made the same mistake too, I would put all omega 3 in a ratio vs all my omega6 until luckyman pointed out the difference to me. I should have realized it earlier as well

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php...t&p=1864674

The conversion of ALA into EPA may be poor but it's unfair to compare a metabolite of n3 (EPA) with the total amount of n6. You should either compare the total amount of n3 with the total amount of n6 or the amount of EPA with the corresponding metabolite of LA (AA) by factoring in conversion of both. Its generally accepted that conversion of ALA to EPA is approximately 2-8%, but there is no data -that i can find- concerning the conversion of LA to AA. Given they both use the same enzymes and most people quote its as being "slow and rate limiting" its much fairer to assume the conversion is just as inefficient for LA to AA as it is from ALA to EPA.

Therefore the ratio between total n3:n6 or equivalent metabolites would remain the same.

This is without factoring in EPA inhibiting AA formation by competitive inhibition.

Because the conversion of ALA into EPA and especially DHA is poor (but still beneficial) Many health organisations recommend eating oily fish 2-4x a week -preferably wild salmon.

So we are are meant to get 1:1 ratio through our diet of LA:ALA because the conversion down to EPA:AA will balance.

Heres the Eicosanoid flow chart.

Granted that only 2-8% of LA gets converted to AA, my EPA intake exceeds AA amount after any conversion takes place, which is also more than enough to offset any pro-inflammatory responses, hence why I suffice with 2 grams of epa/dha.

I hope that makes sense.

You are completely correct with what youre saying, I agree with the ratio too, because after the EPA:AA in my diet, my ratios still favor EPA making it very anti-inflammatory (after analyzing my entire diet).

Also I get 100% of my DV for cholesterol 🙂 I dont avoid it, but make sure I dont get too much more than that. The only thing I can say I dont get 100% of is potassium probably.

Sadly that is one area I am not well informed in and want to know more, I honestly dont even know the main role of it and have to read up on it. I just know there are sources of good and bad chol, and that they always tell me that dietary chol does not relate to blood chol levels. If you know any good reads let me know.

I hope that clarifies my stance, if you have any questions let me know, and I will do my best to accomodate 🙂

Aw thank you for your quick response Romeo :dance:

Just to clarify, you meant Monounsaturated fats NOT Monosaturated fats. Just wanted to make sure 🙂

Yeah I definetly get Omega 3 with CLO and eating fish. And Omega 9, I take in form of olive oil everyday in my salads or fruit smoothies. I noticed two tablespoons of olive oil equal to 20.4 grams of Monounsaturated fat. So I definetly get enough of that. Omega 6 is something I will look into further. So far this is working for me:) I remember Bob talked about GLA. He suggested these supplements and I noticed they contain Omega 6: http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/now-super_primrose_1300mg.htm

http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/now-borage_oil_240mg_gla.htm

When I took these (this was before fish oil), it didn't really do anything to me. Omega 3 was the thing that helped me the most and adding daily olive oil. but mostly omega 3. Anyways, I figure I post those supplements on here since they are good sources 😀

Thanks for catching that! I was writing in a hurry last night, my mistake 🙂

Ah yes, also when you get in linoleic acid, our bodies converts it to GLA as well. I think it's best to get it that way.

I took EPO once too, I don't know how well it really worked, but it also contains linoleic acid and gla hence why I bet some people benefit quite a bit from it if they are fat deficient.

Your olive oil contains about 1.5 grams of omega 6 (in linoleic acid aka LA form) so that's good (per serving). Just look at the polyunsatured fat content and it will tell you :).

I hope that clarifies my stance, if you have any questions let me know, and I will do my best to accomodate 🙂

Thanks for the explanation, I will have to read up a bit on this!

If you are interested in learning about cholesterol I would highly suggest you take a look at Uffe Ravnskovs book "The Cholesterol Myths" the basic info is also available on his website.

Also about the basic function of cholesterol in the body Chris Masterjohn has an excellent site cholesterol-and-health.com explaining both the chemistry and the functions of cholesterol in the body.

I hope that clarifies my stance, if you have any questions let me know, and I will do my best to accomodate 🙂

Thanks for the explanation, I will have to read up a bit on this!

If you are interested in learning about cholesterol I would highly suggest you take a look at Uffe Ravnskovs book "The Cholesterol Myths" the basic info is also available on his website.

Also about the basic function of cholesterol in the body Chris Masterjohn has an excellent site cholesterol-and-health.com explaining both the chemistry and the functions of cholesterol in the body.

 

Thank you Glein! I am going to have to catch up on this, I appreciate the links! If I have any questions I'll shot a PM your way, I hope you won't mind.

Thanks for the detailed responses Romeo!

Well, I went ahead and purchased a bottle of GNC's Liquid Norwegian Cod Liver Oil today, and plan on opening it tommorrow. Before I do so however, I have two other questions:

- Should I take the CLO with food (kinda skeptical on that, dunno how it would "vibe" with my food and digestion, Mega Men vibes just fine with both though) or can I just take it straight in the morning and at night?

- Can I take the CLO soon before/after or at the same with my Mega Men multis? Think they would both "vibe" well together or cause havoc within me? I'm constantly in a hurry during the morning/aftenoon (college classes) so I don't think I can't afford to space doses of both out.

Again, any help would be appreciated.

Anytime, I really like helping everyone as much as I can.

You can definitely take it in the morning, after food, and even with your multi. Just be sure it's in the fridge so it's cold. Also get a measuring cup that has 1 teaspoon (5ml) listed. An easy way is go to your medicine cabinet and pull out some cough syrup. On the cap they give you those small measuring cups :). I use that. I just plop it over the top of the bottle and I am set to go.

Let me know how it tastes like.

 

Ah, I see. Well, I took my first 5ml dose (with dosage cup) earlier this evening. It tasted slightly like fish but for the most part tasted like............nothing. It felt and reminded me of the fish oil encased in the softgels I had been taking previously (minus the lemon flavor) when I used to occasionally crack them open and taste/smell them to see if they were fresh. It was GREASY as hell though and was hard to get off just by slightly touching it. I didn't feel any nausea immediate or afterwards thankfully. However, that one dose I took felt "inadequate", that is the oil felt light for being 5ml and made me think that so little would have little to effect. So taking 2-3 doses a day pf this is gonna work wonders huh? Because right now my skin texture and oil is probably at the worst it's ever been, having stopped taking fish oil softgels for about two months now. My acne's starting to flare up a bit past "mild" as well. I've continued to drink as much water as possible and nothing else (aside from Orange juice) and take my multis, and hopefully CLO is that missing link that'll help me prevail because acne is seriousy kicking my ass right about now.

Also, does it matter what you drink or chase the CLO with? I drank some water after taking that first dose.

Thanks for the detailed responses Romeo!

Well, I went ahead and purchased a bottle of GNC's Liquid Norwegian Cod Liver Oil today, and plan on opening it tommorrow. Before I do so however, I have two other questions:

- Should I take the CLO with food (kinda skeptical on that, dunno how it would "vibe" with my food and digestion, Mega Men vibes just fine with both though) or can I just take it straight in the morning and at night?

- Can I take the CLO soon before/after or at the same with my Mega Men multis? Think they would both "vibe" well together or cause havoc within me? I'm constantly in a hurry during the morning/aftenoon (college classes) so I don't think I can't afford to space doses of both out.

Again, any help would be appreciated.

Anytime, I really like helping everyone as much as I can.

You can definitely take it in the morning, after food, and even with your multi. Just be sure it's in the fridge so it's cold. Also get a measuring cup that has 1 teaspoon (5ml) listed. An easy way is go to your medicine cabinet and pull out some cough syrup. On the cap they give you those small measuring cups :). I use that. I just plop it over the top of the bottle and I am set to go.

Let me know how it tastes like.

 

Ah, I see. Well, I took my first 5ml dose (with dosage cup) earlier this evening. It tasted slightly like fish but for the most part tasted like............nothing. It felt and reminded me of the fish oil encased in the softgels I had been taking previously (minus the lemon flavor) when I used to occasionally crack them open and taste/smell them to see if they were fresh. It was GREASY as hell though and was hard to get off just by slightly touching it. I didn't feel any nausea immediate or afterwards thankfully. However, that one dose I took felt "inadequate", that is the oil felt light for being 5ml and made me think that so little would have little to effect. So taking 2-3 doses a day pf this is gonna work wonders huh? Because right now my skin texture and oil is probably at the worst it's ever been, having stopped taking fish oil softgels for about two months now. My acne's starting to flare up a bit past "mild" as well. I've continued to drink as much water as possible and nothing else (aside from Orange juice) and take my multis, and hopefully CLO is that missing link that'll help me prevail because acne is seriousy kicking my ass right about now.

Also, does it matter what you drink or chase the CLO with? I drank some water after taking that first dose.

 

I had that same thought, I looked at it and said, is this it? What can that do? But to put things in perspective, have you ever taken a look at one benadryl tablet? I have lots of seasonal allergies, and I usually take benendryl when it gets bad. The capsule I have is the size of 1/8th my pinky. It's so tiny. One time it got so bad I was tempted to take 2. I thought, it can't do anything.

I slept for 16 hours straight.

I learned my lesson, never again will I doubt the directions unless I know exactly what I am doing.

Puts size into proportion doesn't it? Small amounts can do so much to our bodies. And even with fish oil (being very potent) especially in an extract like that, is amazing. You're literally drinking extracted purified anti-inflammatory goodness. Plus the retinol content is really condsensed. So definitely, it will feel inadequate, but it does a lot.

But be 100% sure you are getting 15 ml with the measuring cup.

Oh yeah I forgot to mention, the reason it's so 'small' is because you literally cut out 2/3rds since that was the amount of filler material in each capsule. You get pure epa/dha. No BS 🙂

What is the recommened amount of EPA/DHA total for the day? 2.5-3 grams or something?

What is the recommened amount of EPA/DHA total for the day? 2.5-3 grams or something?

2 grams will suffice very well unless your diet contains loads of calories. If you are just starting out and want to compensate for any deficiencies, 3 is fine too. I have not seen any proof that any more will bring essential advantages that cannot be obtained through these amounts from all that I have read so far. But we always keep learning so I may find something in the future. But 2 grams is good -- twice more than what the american heart association recommends as well, so it's a great amount.

cliffs:

2 is fine, 3 if you would like if you are just starting out.

How long until I should be able to see results? I started 1g 1st day, 1.5 2nd, gonna go up to 3g probably.

I'm sorry to clarify how long did it take most of you (for those that it helped) see results? What kind of results showed first? Reduced redness/breakouts or what? And how did you build up, how much did you take, etc?

How long until I should be able to see results? I started 1g 1st day, 1.5 2nd, gonna go up to 3g probably.

I'm sorry to clarify how long did it take most of you (for those that it helped) see results? What kind of results showed first? Reduced redness/breakouts or what? And how did you build up, how much did you take, etc?

By grams, what exactly do you mean. Are you considering 1 pill to 1 gram?