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(@roxyhart)

Posted : 08/07/2007 9:43 am

Man, I reallly hate to say it -- but i think milk breaks me out? lately, i've been drinking 3 cups of milk, and my acne has been bad. I have several cystic pimples forming on my jawline and temple area. hmm, or could this just be all a concidence?

also, my mom takes those sams club brand fish oil pills, however, i havent seen any effects with those, but have with the spring valley (walmart brand). could that be concidence too?

but most of all - i think im breaking out because of my hormones (test.) =/

Yup, even with fish oil, when I used to drink milk and eat cheese daily, I got more oil than I do have right now. Milk is just horrible. Milk has a direct source of DHT from the pregnant cow that you get it for. I like to call it acne juice. Drink milk, get hormones. lol

You will notice not just acne, but your sexual libido may even increase. Off of milk, my libido is more constant and controlled. With it, it goes nuts. It's not a coincidence either, milk is just terrible for acne sufferers. 🙂

Wow..........that explains.....uh, alot. 😆

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(@thataznkid)

Posted : 08/07/2007 4:16 pm

This totally sucks ------- because I'm such a diary person (I LOVE MILK,ICE-CREAM, YOGURT, GRILLED CHEESE SANDWICHES) Theres no way I'm intolerent

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(@mrrandom)

Posted : 08/07/2007 4:40 pm

This totally sucks ------- because I'm such a diary person (I LOVE MILK,ICE-CREAM, YOGURT, GRILLED CHEESE SANDWICHES) Theres no way I'm intolerent

Did you say that last statement, "Theres no way I'm intolerant", because your in denial, or because you really don't think it breaks you out. If you have acne now, which I'm assuming you do, it could very well be related to your intake of dairy. If you love that stuff, then yea it sucks, but I'd say give it up for a month and see if you notice a difference. If you notice improvement, then diary aggravates your acne and you may want to consider giving it up for good.

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(@xhunbun)

Posted : 08/07/2007 5:36 pm

since this is an older thread...

i was just wondering if many of the people who were so excited about fish oil in the begining are still currently using it?

some updates from people saying how long they've been on it and if they've improved are not would be great to see

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/07/2007 6:48 pm

This totally sucks ------- because I'm such a diary person (I LOVE MILK,ICE-CREAM, YOGURT, GRILLED CHEESE SANDWICHES) Theres no way I'm intolerent

what does intolerance have to do with it =P

I'm talking about how dairy has the hormones of a pregnant cow, being passed on to you, plus the hormones added etc.

 

So milk is full of hormones: not only ones intended to help the calf grow, but also those produced by the placenta to aid the cow's pregnancy. They include DHT, and other hormones that are the pre-cursors to DHT. In other words, the hormones teenagers naturally produce are plentiful in milk. It of course contains other growth-enhancing hormones too - as Danby says: "Milk is, after all, specifically designed to make things grow."

mm acne juice =D

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/07/2007 6:57 pm

Apparently it's not just the milk, it may be our meat too, oh and of course soy.

 

However, meats are all pumped full of chemicals which can have an adverse reaction with your skin type, and the hormones found in beef and chicken used to increase the size of the animal and thus the meat production can increasing the hormone levels in your own body thus causing a breakout of acne.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Is-Atkins-Diet-C...?&id=451074

 

Friday's episode of House dealt with abnormal hormones. At one point a doctor was listing the environmental places we get these hormones from. Since we had been talking about soy, that caught my attention. The three that I remember are soy, shampoo, and chicken.

 

I wonder if we should let our birds "groom" our hair.

 

Dot

http://www.theperch.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=21357

 

"There are 27 chemicals licensed for use in chicken feed which include hormones and antibiotics. All of these chemicals along with PCB's and those chemicals that are not allowed may accumulate in the flesh of these animals. The chicken you eat can contain the residue of many toxic chemicals." From HealthLink in Canada.

I never saw that episode of house, but now I want to.

http://www.corepsychblog.com/2007/07/professional-ch.html

 

Some other studies theorize that the hormones in chicken, beef, and dairy products may precipitate early adolescent acne, but the jury's still out on that subject.

http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?...ab=1&agid=2

 

Your body does not need the extra hormones and antibiotics found in typical meats, chicken or even farm-raised fish.

http://www.skincarenet.org/article-1.html

 

In addition, dairy and red meat have huge amounts of hormones. These raise the hormone levels in the body and trigger even more acne. Furthermore, symptoms of intolerance to dairy products can crop up as acne.

http://ezinearticles.com/?10-Easy-Ways-to-...e&id=298949

 

Meat contains hormones and hormone-like substances which can affect the hormonal balance in body, so women who regularly eat meat are more likely to suffer from acne, which is probably caused by the steroids and hormones present in meat.

http://www.steadyhealth.com/acne__diet___h...nes_t70757.html

 

on and on and on, the links really go on forever. lol. Mass production of animal products = hormones + antibiotics =(

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/07/2007 7:57 pm

I am going to be really pissed if my acne is caused by cow and chicken

 

 

I knew cartoon network was giving me clues about my future =P

 

 

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(@babadum)

Posted : 08/07/2007 9:48 pm

I guess it depends from person to person. Just like dairy effects me I'm pretty sure I guess I'll have to check that out as to what I'm intolerant to once I found out what type of doctor could get that checked out for me. Just like fish oil has worked for many people but it seems like the more I took the worst my acne got when I wasn't taking it I was fine but once I started and then slowly picked up the dosage it seemed to worsen my skin and now it's gone in a bad state.

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(@jforres1)

Posted : 08/08/2007 9:41 am

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!

Hey Everyone,

 

 

I need some help analysing my omega 3-omega 6 ratio. Currently, my diet is 605mg o3 to 6809mg o6! pretty crazy!!! But, starting yesterday, I am going to take 4 grams of Omega 3 supplements and make some changes in my diet.

 

I will have three meal options that will be:

 

4235.7mg o3 to 3012.1mg 06 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

 

or

 

243.6mg o3 to 2502.1mg o6 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

 

or

 

363.7mb o3 to 1834.9mg o6 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

 

The first meal option is very high because it includes salmon for dinner. But realistically, I will only be eating the first meal option 2x a week.

 

Please Help!!!

 

Is this a healthy o3-o6 ratio. Any suggestions, comments, analysis would be greatly appreciated!!

 

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/08/2007 12:44 pm

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!

Hey Everyone,

I need some help analysing my omega 3-omega 6 ratio. Currently, my diet is 605mg o3 to 6809mg o6! pretty crazy!!! But, starting yesterday, I am going to take 4 grams of Omega 3 supplements and make some changes in my diet.

I will have three meal options that will be:

4235.7mg o3 to 3012.1mg 06 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

or

243.6mg o3 to 2502.1mg o6 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

or

363.7mb o3 to 1834.9mg o6 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

The first meal option is very high because it includes salmon for dinner. But realistically, I will only be eating the first meal option 2x a week.

Please Help!!!

Is this a healthy o3-o6 ratio. Any suggestions, comments, analysis would be greatly appreciated!!

The good news is that the total amount of omega 6 does not have to be compared to the total amount of omega 3 in fish oil. It's a complicated explenation but in short, the type of omega 6 in foods is primarily (LA). LA gets converted at a rate of about 10% (rounded up) to (AA). (AA) is what directly competes against (EPA) in fish oil to balance. So the good news is don't worry so much about the omega 6 numbers in your diet, because they are a lot smaller than you would think just looking at it 🙂

So what you can get out of this is that you should basically just focus on eating a good healthy diet, and just take fish oil at about 3 grams a day (a variance of one gram from that range depending on what you want to do).

And you will be set. Unless there are any peanuts in your diet. Those are a direct source of AA and WILL eclipse your fish oil intake heavily.

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(@listener)

Posted : 08/08/2007 1:06 pm

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!

Hey Everyone,

I need some help analysing my omega 3-omega 6 ratio. Currently, my diet is 605mg o3 to 6809mg o6! pretty crazy!!! But, starting yesterday, I am going to take 4 grams of Omega 3 supplements and make some changes in my diet.

I will have three meal options that will be:

4235.7mg o3 to 3012.1mg 06 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

or

243.6mg o3 to 2502.1mg o6 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

or

363.7mb o3 to 1834.9mg o6 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

The first meal option is very high because it includes salmon for dinner. But realistically, I will only be eating the first meal option 2x a week.

Please Help!!!

Is this a healthy o3-o6 ratio. Any suggestions, comments, analysis would be greatly appreciated!!

The good news is that the total amount of omega 6 does not have to be compared to the total amount of omega 3 in fish oil. It's a complicated explenation but in short, the type of omega 6 in foods is primarily (LA). LA gets converted at a rate of about 10% (rounded up) to (AA). (AA) is what directly competes against (EPA) in fish oil to balance. So the good news is don't worry so much about the omega 6 numbers in your diet, because they are a lot smaller than you would think just looking at it 🙂

So what you can get out of this is that you should basically just focus on eating a good healthy diet, and just take fish oil at about 3 grams a day (a variance of one gram from that range depending on what you want to do).

And you will be set. Unless there are any peanuts in your diet. Those are a direct source of AA and WILL eclipse your fish oil intake heavily.

Are you talking about that arichadonic(sp) acid thingy majig?

I've heard that is found in large quantities in eggs and red meats.....

I've also been reading lately stuff that makes me think alot more than 3-6 grams omega 3 is needed.

I'm trying 7 atm and will up it to 10 in a couple days time.

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/08/2007 6:29 pm

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!

Hey Everyone,

I need some help analysing my omega 3-omega 6 ratio. Currently, my diet is 605mg o3 to 6809mg o6! pretty crazy!!! But, starting yesterday, I am going to take 4 grams of Omega 3 supplements and make some changes in my diet.

I will have three meal options that will be:

4235.7mg o3 to 3012.1mg 06 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

or

243.6mg o3 to 2502.1mg o6 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

or

363.7mb o3 to 1834.9mg o6 (plus 4g o3 supplement)

The first meal option is very high because it includes salmon for dinner. But realistically, I will only be eating the first meal option 2x a week.

Please Help!!!

Is this a healthy o3-o6 ratio. Any suggestions, comments, analysis would be greatly appreciated!!

The good news is that the total amount of omega 6 does not have to be compared to the total amount of omega 3 in fish oil. It's a complicated explenation but in short, the type of omega 6 in foods is primarily (LA). LA gets converted at a rate of about 10% (rounded up) to (AA). (AA) is what directly competes against (EPA) in fish oil to balance. So the good news is don't worry so much about the omega 6 numbers in your diet, because they are a lot smaller than you would think just looking at it 🙂

So what you can get out of this is that you should basically just focus on eating a good healthy diet, and just take fish oil at about 3 grams a day (a variance of one gram from that range depending on what you want to do).

And you will be set. Unless there are any peanuts in your diet. Those are a direct source of AA and WILL eclipse your fish oil intake heavily.

Are you talking about that arichadonic(sp) acid thingy majig?

I've heard that is found in large quantities in eggs and red meats.....

I've also been reading lately stuff that makes me think alot more than 3-6 grams omega 3 is needed.

I'm trying 7 atm and will up it to 10 in a couple days time.

Yup!

Red meat probably. Eggs: the source is from LA, meaning it's 10% of the actual amount.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c201n.html

Look on the "fats and fatty acid" breakdown. 18:2 means LA 🙂

So that means the amount we are taking is fine, so it's quite the opposite. More isn't needed, but how much we are taking is more than ample.

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(@thataznkid)

Posted : 08/08/2007 8:29 pm

Ugh geez -- my jawline is breaking out like crazzzzzy!

 

 

Will taking more grams of fish oil help with this?

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/08/2007 10:28 pm

Ugh geez -- my jawline is breaking out like crazzzzzy!

Will taking more grams of fish oil help with this?

Hm, how much fish oil are you on, also how much omega 3 would that be? Also, how long have you been on it?

Your skin also does seem dry, do you use any form of moisturization like complex 15?

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(@thataznkid)

Posted : 08/08/2007 10:32 pm

Ugh geez -- my jawline is breaking out like crazzzzzy!

Will taking more grams of fish oil help with this?

Hm, how much fish oil are you on, also how much omega 3 would that be? Also, how long have you been on it?

Your skin also does seem dry, do you use any form of moisturization like complex 15?

 

i'm going to go back and start taking 4 a day. the sams club brand. i think the reason why it looks so dry, is because of the tazorac.b(.1) i really considered going on accutane, but after reading some reviews, they say its not worth it... and plus, i have a weak liver (i have to piss like every hour)

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/08/2007 10:40 pm

Ugh geez -- my jawline is breaking out like crazzzzzy!

Will taking more grams of fish oil help with this?

Hm, how much fish oil are you on, also how much omega 3 would that be? Also, how long have you been on it?

Your skin also does seem dry, do you use any form of moisturization like complex 15?

 

i'm going to go back and start taking 4 a day. the sams club brand. i think the reason why it looks so dry, is because of the tazorac.b(.1) i really considered going on accutane, but after reading some reviews, they say its not worth it... and plus, i have a weak liver (i have to piss like every hour)

 

I was reading a book today at borders titled "the high dose fish oil cure". The author was a lipid biochemist, or something like that, can't remember exaclty. And even he recommended 2.5 grams of omega 3 (meaning, that would be about 10 pills). And at that rate, change starts happening a month in minimum. So that is why you may not see much change with 4 pills even after some time. If you are fine with fish oil, go up slowly though.

Make sure though that your condition will not interfere with the fish oil (if it's related) find out somehow, perhaps from your doctor or something like that.

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(@and1)

Posted : 08/09/2007 3:49 am

Besides the omega3-omega6 ratio you should also try to improve your ratio of potassium vs. salt and balance your ph level.

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(@listener)

Posted : 08/09/2007 6:37 am

Yup!

Red meat probably. Eggs: the source is from LA, meaning it's 10% of the actual amount.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c201n.html

Look on the "fats and fatty acid" breakdown. 18:2 means LA 🙂

So that means the amount we are taking is fine, so it's quite the opposite. More isn't needed, but how much we are taking is more than ample.

Kool info, thanks.

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(@thataznkid)

Posted : 08/09/2007 3:12 pm

:o

 

Ten pills?!

That's like.. 1 an hr!

Wouldnt my body become dependent on the fish oil pills then?

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/09/2007 4:50 pm

😮

Ten pills?!

That's like.. 1 an hr!

Wouldnt my body become dependent on the fish oil pills then?

No, that's 3 per meal lol.

No, that's the equivalent of saying "won't my body become dependant on water? 10 glasses a day is a lot!"

Your body does not produce omega 3, yet needs it because it's a vital necessity.

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(@roxyhart)

Posted : 08/09/2007 7:12 pm

Ugh geez -- my jawline is breaking out like crazzzzzy!

Will taking more grams of fish oil help with this?

Hm, how much fish oil are you on, also how much omega 3 would that be? Also, how long have you been on it?

Your skin also does seem dry, do you use any form of moisturization like complex 15?

 

i'm going to go back and start taking 4 a day. the sams club brand. i think the reason why it looks so dry, is because of the tazorac.b(.1) i really considered going on accutane, but after reading some reviews, they say its not worth it... and plus, i have a weak liver (i have to piss like every hour)

 

I was reading a book today at borders titled "the high dose fish oil cure". The author was a lipid biochemist, or something like that, can't remember exaclty. And even he recommended 2.5 grams of omega 3 (meaning, that would be about 10 pills). And at that rate, change starts happening a month in minimum. So that is why you may not see much change with 4 pills even after some time. If you are fine with fish oil, go up slowly though.

Make sure though that your condition will not interfere with the fish oil (if it's related) find out somehow, perhaps from your doctor or something like that.

 

The borders in the Fountains? I swear i'm going to bump into you someday. 😆

Anywho, I bought some of that vanilla rice milk today and it is SO GOOD! I can't believe how good it is.......it's 10x better than regular milk or soymilk. I think I have been converted. 😛

Skin has been okay lately. "Monthly" breakout went away.......skin looks good except for alot of clogged pores on and around my nose area. I also have some on my forehead and chin. No blackheads, just those tiny skin colored clogged pores. I see the derm on the 22nd in hopes of attaining a stronger topical retinoid.

Why oh why must skin be so moody and difficult? 😡

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/09/2007 8:48 pm

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The borders in the Fountains? I swear i'm going to bump into you someday. 😆

Anywho, I bought some of that vanilla rice milk today and it is SO GOOD! I can't believe how good it is.......it's 10x better than regular milk or soymilk. I think I have been converted. 😛

Skin has been okay lately. "Monthly" breakout went away.......skin looks good except for alot of clogged pores on and around my nose area. I also have some on my forehead and chin. No blackheads, just those tiny skin colored clogged pores. I see the derm on the 22nd in hopes of attaining a stronger topical retinoid.

Why oh why must skin be so moody and difficult? 😡

Hehe, nope, the one on kirby across from whole foods =) If you ran into me, I don't know if you would recognize me though. I think the only way you may recognize me... is due to any spots! haha.

I am glad you liked the rice milk, it's really nice, and I am glad it is!

How much does your derm cost by the way?

And holy cow, they have part of the book online!

http://books.google.com/books?id=-Rrf-Hn2e...fFtF6k#PPA11,M1

Nice 🙂

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(@thataznkid)

Posted : 08/09/2007 10:04 pm

Any side effects to taking fish oil without eating?

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(@ndnromeo)

Posted : 08/09/2007 10:56 pm

Any side effects to taking fish oil without eating?

nope

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(@autonomousone1980)

Posted : 08/10/2007 3:02 am

Any side effects to taking fish oil without eating?

nope

 

increased risk of fish burps, thats it.

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