~My~ Subcision/microneedling Journey W/ 2 Week Protocol + More

[Factoid 64]

1.5mm is ideal, that's about the depth of the deepest icepicks/boxcars and will net you a more decent collagen boost.

[Robertitoo 311]

hey Robertitoo, your face is looking pretty good, i can only see like one scar on your most recent pic. I have a question, why did you go for the 1mm needle length this time instead of the 2mm+ you did last time? Do you think the shorter length is actually more effective for acne scars or are you going for a shorter length since your scars are alot more shallow now. Ive always wondered if I was doing more harm than good using the 2mm.

I read that with a shorter needle you can needle more often. For example with a 1.0 you can needle every 2-5 weeks, where as with a 1.5+ you're supposed to only needle every 4-8 weeks.. That and my scars aren't really deep..Even Slight erythema will intensify the skin to heal itself

Edited August 12, 2015 by Robertitoo

[Robertitoo 311]

Day 4 - August 7th, 2015


Day 5 - August 8th, 2015


Day 6 - August 9th, 2015


Day 8 - August 11th, 2015

[Ang22 7]

Thanks for posting the pictures! So how many scars did you have done approximately?

[Ang22 7]

Is there a limit on how many scars they do at one session?

[Robertitoo 311]

Is there a limit on how many scars they do at one session?

subcision can treat every scar on your face. this team he treated all of them including lower cheek which he missed last time

Edited August 17, 2015 by Robertitoo

[Ang22 7]

Is there a limit on how many scars they do at one session?

subcision can treat every scar on your face. this team he treated all of them including lower cheek which he missed last time

[Robertitoo 311]

Is there a limit on how many scars they do at one session?

subcision can treat every scar on your face. this team he treated all of them including lower cheek which he missed last time

Ok thanks do you know about how many that would be? I just wonder because it seems like I may need to do like 20 on one of my cheeks. Does that sound like it couldn't be done at once? And how do you know if subcision would work on certain scars? I have obviously teathered ones by my mouth that pucker but others that I think might benefit too! Is there a way to know?

Yeah, it's easy for a physician.

Subcision works on all pitted scars, boxcars, tethered rolling, mildly atrophic rolling/boxcar especially if you follow the suction method!

[holdingontohope 64]

On 8/20/2015 at 9:41 PM, Robertitoo said:

On 8/18/2015 at 10:07 PM, Ang22 said:

On 8/16/2015 at 6:43 PM, Robertitoo said:

On 8/14/2015 at 10:28 PM, Ang22 said:

Is there a limit on how many scars they do at one session?

subcision can treat every scar on your face. this team he treated all of them including lower cheek which he missed last time

Ok thanks do you know about how many that would be? I just wonder because it seems like I may need to do like 20 on one of my cheeks. Does that sound like it couldn't be done at once? And how do you know if subcision would work on certain scars? I have obviously teathered ones by my mouth that pucker but others that I think might benefit too! Is there a way to know?

Yeah, it's easy for a physician.

Subcision works on all pitted scars, boxcars, tethered rolling, mildly atrophic rolling/boxcar especially if you follow the suction method!

Robertitoo, what do you think about microneedling?

[Robertitoo 311]

If you're persistent enough (i'm talking 1-2 years) I believe you can get achieve satisfactory results doing microneedling to.

[Noa27 89]

My English is not really good, so what do you mean by passes at the suctioning? Do you mean by 8 passes to suction each scar 8 times? And how many times did you pull the handle of the suctioning device (had 1 today from owndoc)?

[Robertitoo 311]

4-8 passes, yes. 3 times a day for a 1-2 weeks. I pulled the handle 1-2 times. Use jojoba oil to ease the suctioning process.

[Noa27 89]

Ok, I'm a bit ashamed, but this is my last question (for a while :'). I promise! Why did you do the overlapping-thing with suctioning?

[holdingontohope 64]

Does suctioning stretch the skin at all?

[Ang22 7]

Any updates on how it's looking now?

[Robertitoo 311]

I'm a new person now. I'm going to delay on posting pictures for a month or so.

[pursuit of happyness 38]

I'm happy for you

[Factoid 64]

Congrats. Slow and steady wins the race, guys.

[Ang22 7]

Wow that's great!!

[Emhfali 0]

one question concerning (mirco-)needling in the post-op time:

robertitoo starts microneedling just the same day as subcision was performed on him and after his 2nd subcision he starts with 1 mm needling (both with that derminator thing?) why would he do that? i thought subcision + suction after 3rd day is the key (?) and microneedling follows after a few weeks when the bruising from subcision is gone..?

btw is there any difference between (micro-)needling and dermarolling? mr matt uses the term 'dermarolling' in his thread..

[FaultlessFire 7]

Microneedling is just a collective word for dermarolling and dermastamping. Dermarolling means you have a dermaroller that you roll over your face and dermastamping means you stamp your face with the needles. Dermastamping is generally considered safer and more targeted than dermarolling. Dermarolling is faster but there's a higher risk for infection and damage because the needles can bend after a while etc.

[d00little 7]

Hi Robertitoo,

What do you think of taking aspirin before subicision to prevent blood clotting (https://youtu.be/N6z9RkZNOoQ)? I guess it's meant to prevent tethering.

I've read on other web pages that patients are not supposed to take aspirin before surgery because it may result in more bruising ([Link removed]).

Edited August 21, 2020 by MadsKeystone
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[Robertitoo 311]

On 9/20/2015 at 12:11 PM, d00little said:

Hi Robertitoo,

What do you think of taking aspirin before subicision to prevent blood clotting (https://youtu.be/N6z9RkZNOoQ)? I guess it's meant to prevent tethering.

I've read on other web pages that patients are not supposed to take aspirin before surgery because it may result in more bruising ([Link removed]).

I never took aspirin but, theoretically you do want more prolonged bruising and swelling. I'd say do it, but make sure to incorporate suctioning as well!

Edited August 21, 2020 by MadsKeystone
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[Noa27 89]

First of all i would like to thank robertitoo for all the information. It really gives me hope and i am motivated to suction every day

Last monday i went to a doctor to do subcision. It was quite a journey to find a doctor who do this procedure. I live in Holland and there is 1 doctor that does subcision. But when i googled his name, not many people where fond about him. So, i searched for another doctor and then i saw this doctor who lives in Belgium. That is like 1.5 hour drive from my home so that was ok 3 months ago i had an appointment with him to talk about subcision. My appointment starts at 11 am and ended at 13 pm! He was extremely helpfull and passioned about his work. He explained things very good.

Last monday i had the subcision done by him. Again, he was very kind and took the time for me. I only came for the subcision, but he did a lot more. First he started with a peeling. Then he used the yag laser (the one with infrared). I got the laser for free because he wanted to show me how lasers work. It was a nice warm feeling on my face Then he numbed my face and used the dermapen. After that he did a colling mask on my face. And then after that, he did the subcision

He told me that it is not wise to take asperin afterwards and if you want to do subcision, you have to wait when your monthly period is over.

The cost of this all was 170 euros (190 USD).

Now, 2 days after the procedure i started to suction. With jojoba oil (thanks for the tip robert!). My cheeks are red/blue and i hope this will work

[Robertitoo 311]

First of all i would like to thank robertitoo for all the information. It really gives me hope and i am motivated to suction every day

Last monday i went to a doctor to do subcision. It was quite a journey to find a doctor who do this procedure. I live in Holland and there is 1 doctor that does subcision. But when i googled his name, not many people where fond about him. So, i searched for another doctor and then i saw this doctor who lives in Belgium. That is like 1.5 hour drive from my home so that was ok 3 months ago i had an appointment with him to talk about subcision. My appointment starts at 11 am and ended at 13 pm! He was extremely helpfull and passioned about his work. He explained things very good.

Last monday i had the subcision done by him. Again, he was very kind and took the time for me. I only came for the subcision, but he did a lot more. First he started with a peeling. Then he used the yag laser (the one with infrared). I got the laser for free because he wanted to show me how lasers work. It was a nice warm feeling on my face Then he numbed my face and used the dermapen. After that he did a colling mask on my face. And then after that, he did the subcision

He told me that it is not wise to take asperin afterwards and if you want to do subcision, you have to wait when your monthly period is over.

The cost of this all was 170 euros (190 USD).

Now, 2 days after the procedure i started to suction. With jojoba oil (thanks for the tip robert!). My cheeks are red/blue and i hope this will work

WOW what an awesome doctor he is to have all of that done for under $200 USD. Remember suction religiously at least 3 times per day (e.g 8am, 3pm, 9pm) whilst suctioning each scar 5-8 times-for 4-5 seconds. Make sure you take pictures! I'm positive you'll achieve great results. Are you going to suction for the full 2 weeks? Eat healthy and stay positive !

Edited September 30, 2015 by Robertitoo