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Paragard- Copper Iud

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I hate paragard! I had it for 4 years and finally yanked it out myself yesterday. Well, I pulled slowly and very, very patiently...but my emotional state makes for colorful descriptions, lol. The first year? Wonderful. Awesome. Couldnt be better. No side effects, placement was easy, never thought once about it. The last 3 years have been a nightmare! Horrible, horrible cystic acne explosion where I had very clear skin my whole life before. Im 32 now. Maybe the mild break out around my period, but NOT cystic acne.

The other issues were extreme anxiety, depression, severe mood swings. I had all the symptoms of copper toxicity. Thinning, brittle hair and nails. I tried every remedy under the sun, liver detoxes, birthcontrol, antibiotics, expensive facial treatments and cleansers, nothing worked. NOTHING. I was very conflicted about pulling it out. Debated it for the last year of having it in, against my intuition and in total misery the whole time. And it didn't help that my doctors all told me I was crazy. Whats worse than that??? When they tell you, after 30 minutes of pouring your heart out misery, that they REFUSE to pull it because "its working.." And then remind you of how much it will cost you... <img src="http://www.acne.org/messageboard/style_emoticons/default/bs.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bs:" border="0" alt="bs.gif" />

Well when I pulled that thing out, omg, the copper wiring was rusted and corroded beyond recognition. The coils were no longer coils...they were completely rusted together. The plastic T itself was intact along with the wire but ewwwww. I saved it to take to my doctor for testing to see why the copper was so corroded. There is no way I could have kept that thing in me another 6 years!!

Ive attached a photo and I had trouble getting a clear shot...but you get the point...that coiling was like a brand new penny when it was inserted... 4 years ago.

I was very very depressed about having to take it out, I had very nice regular periods and it was very effective as far as bc goes. And i thought I was done with all that for another 10 years, guess not. Bottom line, if you have any metal allergy issues, like nickel, a very common one. Then most likely you will have eventual issues with the copper paragard.

Please, please, please...review everything you can before making a decision about this type of bc. Some women have a wonderful experience with it (Im very jealous). I just pulled this thing out yesterday, and I have suspected for a few years now that this has been the root of my problem. Some women clear up as soon as its removed, others need a bc pill to correct the aftermath of hormonal mess. I will return as soon as I start to see, or don't see, results.

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I had the copper IUD but my body rejected it - 6 week period and unbarable abdominal pain.

I can't believe you pulled it out yourself! So brave.

I've heard great things about the mirena coil but will probably stay away from shoving corrodible tools into my snatch for the time being.

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<!--quoteo(post=3115755:date=Jul 5 2011, 08&#58;53 AM:name=abigailwheeler)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (abigailwheeler &#064; Jul 5 2011, 08&#58;53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3115755"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I had the copper IUD but my body rejected it - 6 week period and unbarable abdominal pain.

I can't believe you pulled it out yourself! So brave.

I've heard great things about the mirena coil but will probably stay away from shoving corrodible tools into my snatch for the time being.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You arent missing anything with the Mirina either.

I had the Mirina too...for about two months before I had it taken out so I could put in the paragard. With the Mirina, I had ALL the symptoms of pregnancy; sore boobs, feeling dizzy, nausea, weight gain, the whole thing...and I had just had a baby, so to me it wasn't worth the psychological effects...I had a box of pregnancy tests in bulk from Sams club, thats how bad it was. So I traded for that horrible thing called paragard.

And yeah, some women have no problems on it at all, but from what Ive read most do. I havent seen any one else post pics like that so far anywhere, much less any discussions about what that thing looks like when it comes out. I remembered when I had the Mirina pulled out by a nurse...she threw it straight in the garbage I never got to see it. But it was only 2 months old so...I was hoping that visual proof with my paragard would help other women whos doctors treat them like they are stupid for listening to their own bodies. And trust me if I didn't already have antibiotics (that werent working for my skin anyway) I wouldnt have pulled it myself for fear of infection. But I have 30 days left on Doxy so I should be fine. And pulling it out didn't hurt, just a pinch and it was out. The hard part was getting a grip on the strings.

As a birthcontrol it seemed to be the perfect answer, worked every time I needed it, stayed in place just fine, no cramping, nothing.

Its only been 36 hours since I pulled it and no more new cysts, my face really truly is calmer, not like the fleeting relief I got from every other fix... no more constant anxiety. Just relief. I had the shakes pretty bad immediately after pulling it out, but I think that was my own nerves at the thought of no turning back. I just couldn't take it anymore. Good luck on the search for the perfect birth control, lol, and if you find something that works come back here and let me know.

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Well, its been about a week now since Ive removed my IUD and posted about it. So...it was truly the best thing I could have done! Sadly, its very bittersweet for me, because now its the search for reliable birthcontrol...again...one that wont make me break out or gain 15 lbs in the first 2 weeks. Rrrrgggggrrrrr!

Oh and I just happened to pull it out right at the end of my cycle, but a few days before I knew I was going to start bleeding. The first few days I had some mild spotting and cramping. The consistency of the spotting was thin and kinda watery, today I am full on in my cycle and its a normal period, just like always. But Im glad it worked out this way, kind of feel like everything is being "purged", lol, sorry for the description but I really do feel sooooo much better. And the horrible anxiety and depression are gone, I have more energy and don't feel drained all the time.

All formation of any new acne has completely stopped. The blemishes and cysts that where there a week ago when I pulled it, have finally come to a head and are now healing. And unlike everything else Ive tried and posted about that seemed so promising, only to have the acne come back with a vengeance a week later, yeah thats not happening anymore. This truly was the root of my acne misery.

Now all I have to do is wait a few weeks for the marks and scaring to heal up.

Most of us are here because the medical community plays stupid when it comes to the side effects of supposedly "perfect" birth control like paragard. I scoured every site possible and heard all kinds of complaints, but nothing about what happens when they finally have it taken out. Think about how many sites you all have scoured looking for answers, knowing you cant be the only one, and knowing you arent crazy because you don't have MD attached to your name. So please, be bold and whether your experience with paragard was good or bad, please share.

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Not sure why you endured that for 3 years. Why would you let the doctors bully you into keeping it in & convincing you that you were crazy? That's not the IUD's fault.

I have a Nova-T (similar to Paragard), no problems yet but I can say for sure if it gives me trouble, a doctor will not be able to say "it's working" & that be the end of it. I don't care if you are at a free clinic, paying, whatever. It's YOUR body & you get done what you need, not for their convenience.

Minera is totally different as it's a hormonal birth control (you mine as well get the depo shot) say good bye to your sex drive & hello to acne & weight gain!

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My perfect BCP has been yasmin. I haven't gained any weight, my boobs went from a C to a DD. I haven't lost my sex drive. My skin is stable. My periods are light and nearly painless. No hair loss. It's free. And it hasn't made me psychotic.

This is just my personal experience. Obviously it's different for every girl :)

By the way, with reference to weight gain on BCPs, I have been told that they don't inherently cause weight gain, they just increase your appetite. I started on ritalin about two years ago and it severely decreased my appetite. It has come back somewhat now but I can't pretend that weight gain wouldn't happen to someone in a different situation to me.

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<!--quoteo(post=3121863:date=Jul 14 2011, 10&#58;42 AM:name=Beauty Bot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Beauty Bot &#064; Jul 14 2011, 10&#58;42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3121863"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Not sure why you endured that for 3 years. Why would you let the doctors bully you into keeping it in & convincing you that you were crazy? That's not the IUD's fault.

I have a Nova-T (similar to Paragard), no problems yet but I can say for sure if it gives me trouble, a doctor will not be able to say "it's working" & that be the end of it. I don't care if you are at a free clinic, paying, whatever. It's YOUR body & you get done what you need, not for their convenience.

Minera is totally different as it's a hormonal birth control (you mine as well get the depo shot) say good bye to your sex drive & hello to acne & weight gain!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Not sure why I endured for 3 years? Because there wasn't any solid proof or direct connection to the IUD itself, thats why. I could only speculate. And to me speculation wasnt good enough to just pull it out. Not without looking at every other possibility first. And apparently all the obg's I saw felt exactly the same way. Any number or combination of things could have been causing my acne and other issues. Turns out through a long process of elimination these last 4 years, there was only one possibility left. The paragard. Besides as I mentioned before, as a birth control it worked great, my periods were great, and I had no other signs of overly severe inflammation (its supposed to cause mild inflammation of the uterus), or other issues in the pelvic area. So it was easy to dismiss since all seemed to be going well down south, so to speak.

First, short of filling a malpractice suit...you cant force a doctor to do something they truly feel is not in your best interest. Obviously I don't have the time or money for that bullshit. Or the time and money to keep seeing multiple doctors for multiple opinions out of pocket, most visits are $80 a pop for me, thats just to be seen. Thats part of my reason for getting the IUD in the first place, not being able to buy the pill every month at full price. So I saved just to buy this thing. And I was determined to give it the benefit of the doubt. Most of my docs were really truly convinced the iud was not the issue. Hence, why I finally pulled it myself. Second, after spending so much on it, I was going to give it a fair shot. Which in my opinion was at least 5 years, I made it to 4. Third, there was no possible way to truly prove beyond speculation that the iud was the cause.

And what are you talking about, "thats not the IUDs fault?" You are insinuating its mine for not being able to convince my doctors of my suspicions and "letting them bully me"? Hardly. Its only been very recently that there has even been a mention of acne in the paragard literature on side effects, much less copper toxicity (which still is not listed). At the time I had it put in, I researched it extensively before going in to have it put in. There werent really many side effects listed besides heavy bleeding, cramping, and the possibility of perforation. To me, 4 years ago, since I met the criteria of being a good candidate for paragard, I figured it was worth it.

Im aware of what the Mirina is all about...I just wrote a long piece on my experience with it above. Unfortunately that was not working for me either. And I won't mess with depo...I don't want something I cant take out or stop using if and or when I choose. Especially after the way my iud's turned out. Besides, the bad reviews on depo are enough to turn me off.

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<!--quoteo(post=3121870:date=Jul 14 2011, 10&#58;49 AM:name=abigailwheeler)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (abigailwheeler &#064; Jul 14 2011, 10&#58;49 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3121870"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My perfect BCP has been yasmin. I haven't gained any weight, my boobs went from a C to a DD. I haven't lost my sex drive. My skin is stable. My periods are light and nearly painless. No hair loss. It's free. And it hasn't made me psychotic.

This is just my personal experience. Obviously it's different for every girl <img src="http://www.acne.org/messageboard/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

By the way, with reference to weight gain on BCPs, I have been told that they don't inherently cause weight gain, they just increase your appetite. I started on ritalin about two years ago and it severely decreased my appetite. It has come back somewhat now but I can't pretend that weight gain wouldn't happen to someone in a different situation to me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Awesome! Thats good to hear cause that was one option I was considering as well.

yes the appetite increase is an issue for me, water retention is even worse. Im a distance runner as well so its hard enough to keep decent eating habits in check

as it is, either under or over eating, and I deff don't need the added stress of bcp's making it more difficult. (running was what I thought was the cause of acne for the longest time) The last my doc put me on was a generic for ortho tri lo, without a change in diet I gained 10 lbs in the first 7 days!! It was unbelievable! Ive heard from a lot of girls that the increased appetite and weight gain tappers off after a few months of use, but Im too impatient for all that, lol! Well I guess I don't have much choice now. <img src="http://www.acne.org/messageboard/style_emoticons/default/doubt.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doubt:" border="0" alt="doubt.gif" /> oh well.

Thanks so much for the advice!

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You know one thing that's really upsetting about all this.....that they won't let you get your tubes tied. I have heard this over and over again from women. You're an adult, you've already had a kid, and you've tried the other methods and they've been horrible. Clear cut case and STILL they won't do it!

But take a younger woman, who knows she doesn't want kids, they won't perform the procedure because she "might change her mind" and instead recommend things like the paragard and mirena.....which anyone would be hesitant to use after hearing so many bad stories.

Basically I wish I could get my tubes tied, too, so I feel you on this. I'm glad you are doing better!

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<!--quoteo(post=3124529:date=Jul 18 2011, 02&#58;44 PM:name=veelabrothel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veelabrothel &#064; Jul 18 2011, 02&#58;44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3124529"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You know one thing that's really upsetting about all this.....that they won't let you get your tubes tied. I have heard this over and over again from women. You're an adult, you've already had a kid, and you've tried the other methods and they've been horrible. Clear cut case and STILL they won't do it!

But take a younger woman, who knows she doesn't want kids, they won't perform the procedure because she "might change her mind" and instead recommend things like the paragard and mirena.....which anyone would be hesitant to use after hearing so many bad stories.

Basically I wish I could get my tubes tied, too, so I feel you on this. I'm glad you are doing better!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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Indeed, thank you for sharing your experience! I've had a paraguard for roughly 3.5 years now, and it's been "doing its job", but I was wondering if it wasn't a contributing factor in my acne getting SO much worse as of late. I did the research before having it put in, just like you did. Two months after implantation, I developed a UTI (which just didn't happen with me like that), and then a second UTI immediately after the first was cleared up. I couldn't find any information on IUDs or the copper/paraguard causing/contributing to such infections, but that IUD was the ONLY difference. I did find a non-antibiotic solution to the frequent UTIs though (d-mannose), but I think that phase lasted about a year or so.

So crap. Crap crap crap. Hideous skin & paralyzingly low self confidence vs. lethargy & despair & just standard low self confidence? Thought I'd be off hormonal BC forever. :(

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Indeed, thank you for sharing your experience! I've had a paraguard for roughly 3.5 years now, and it's been "doing its job", but I was wondering if it wasn't a contributing factor in my acne getting SO much worse as of late. I did the research before having it put in, just like you did. Two months after implantation, I developed a UTI (which just didn't happen with me like that), and then a second UTI immediately after the first was cleared up. I couldn't find any information on IUDs or the copper/paraguard causing/contributing to such infections, but that IUD was the ONLY difference. I did find a non-antibiotic solution to the frequent UTIs though (d-mannose), but I think that phase lasted about a year or so.

So crap. Crap crap crap. Hideous skin & paralyzingly low self confidence vs. lethargy & despair & just standard low self confidence? Thought I'd be off hormonal BC forever. :(

Im sorry this is happening to you too. And yes I fear it most likely is the contributing factor in your acne. It only gets worse too. Zinc supplementation will only work for so long. After a while nothing works at all.

Haha!! crap, crap, crap is exactly right! It was in the back of my mind nagging me the whole time I had it in. Well one thing no one can accuse us of is not having patience with it.

"Hideous skin & paralyzingly low self confidence vs. lethargy & despair & just standard low self confidence?" Yeah, all the stuff you never read about. Are you going to stick with it or give it more time? For me as long as the symptoms werent severe I could put it out of my mind long enough to forget about it for a few weeks or months. Then it would all come back a little worse every time.

If they could come up with a safe way from keeping the copper from oxidizing and corroding then I would probably give it another go. Im sure copper toxicity is the major issue here.

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Well its been 21 days now and Im back to report that my skin has completely cleared!! I feel like a bit of an idiot that I was so hard headed as to not have taken this thing out before. <img src="http://www.acne.org/messageboard/style_emoticons/default/genius.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":genius:" border="0" alt="genius.gif" /> But with all the limited information out there on this birthcontrol, Im still glad that I took the time and looked at all of my options before just giving it up.

I only get the occasional whitehead, 3 so far, that show up and then disappears quickly, but thats normal for me and I will gladly take that ANY DAY over inflamed red acne I was dealing with before. My skin is now exfoliating properly on its own and is once again expelling plugs and whatever else builds up in the pores the way its supposed to. I usually do a home microdermabrasion treatment about once a week and that seems to work pretty well.

Anyway, pretty much all Im dealing with now is exfoliating a few red scars that have managed to stay behind but those are peeling away quite nicely. And amazingly, thank God, I have no ice pick scars or anything like that to deal with...and whatever marks I have are now easily covered by tinted moisturizer until they finally fade away.

So peoples on paragard, if you have horrible acne now and never did before...save yourself the time, money and misery. And take it out...its not food allergies, immunity issues, or hormonal imbalance, vitamin deficiencies, etc etc...its the copper making you sick.

One of the products Ive been using for scaring is Tretinoin 0.025% cream and it works wonders for shrinking pores and reducing any hyperpigmentation. (works fab on fine lines too) I havent had any of the issues with the initial breakouts or dryness or peeling like a lot of people in the Trentinoin reviews have had. But that may be because I wash my face like 3 times a day and I use just enough to make a very thin layer over my skin. Infact the drying effect most people complain of is a God send for me because I have the most oily skin EVER, it really helps keep it in check.

***It is 6/27/12 now about a week short of one year since my last post above or since ive needed to visit acne.org at all and I figured it's time for an update. Everything I've written above has turned out exactly as I was hoping. No more acne whatsoever, yay! I'm back to completely and totally clear and normal again. Not even one little scar on my face and I really was considering dismantling this post and my profile altogether, as some of my family members were dismayed that I posted this on a public forum, ahhem, i digress...but I decided that because after a year of my own desperate/obsessive searching and never once finding as detailed a post as this about the subject I've decided to keep it up. A recent conversation I had with a friend who happens to be a nurse in OBGYN told me to keep this post public because she has personally seen countless cases like mine come through the practice where she works and has seen all of those women turned away with no answers and physicians who refused to help...just like me. So glad to know now that I was right the entire time! So good to be happy, healthy and back to being beautiful in my own skin once again. Cheers all and best of luck in your quest for your cure.

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