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Ok, the ledman finally responded. Thanks Lamar.

He also told me that I can't the infrared LED 880 near my temple area because the infrared will penetrate through the side of my head so it doesn't matter if I close my eyes or not. But that's the area I mainly want to treat. Is the infrared 880 a necessity for better results with LEDs?

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well dam i've been using the infrared on my temples all this time. glad you asked ledman about it.

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Guys there is no problem with using it there hes just covering his ass. If anything it improves brain activity, they now use infra red leds and lasers to reverse alzimers and dementia...If anything it will improve your mood.

Same with the eyes, i believe it is safe enough if you just close your eyes but i always tell people to wear goggles just incase.

There are so many people out there using the infra red all over the face and i have never seen one person mention a negative side effect. Play it safe with your eyes though people. It is always why i recommend the lower end of recommended exposure time.

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Why cant u use the LED on the temples??What negative effects are we talking about here?

Also,I once heard from a doctor that nothing should be done right after procedures like subcision ,needling becos you would want normal healing to take its natural course so that you get the full maximum benefit of collagen growth being stimulated by the injuries caused by such treatments.Any thoughts?

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Firstly i'm certain no one will suffer any concequences of using light therapy on the temples. V is just covering his ass because he knows the leds can penetrate to the brain. I actually have an LED array designed for improving cognitive function and intelligence.... I can even provide pictures if people think i'm lieing.

Your second point has been disscussed quite often and i personally don't agree with it. You can't remove much of the initial inflammation with the leds and i believe people that have scared in the past need to reduce the inflammation at every stage of wound healing, to a certain extent. Remember it was excess and prolonged inflammation that caused the scarring in the first place...

Have a play around though, for some people maybe it will be beneficial to leave it a few days. Personally i have found the oposite to be true, but like everything in the medical field we are all very individual and nothing will work exactly the same for everyone.

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Firstly i'm certain no one will suffer any concequences of using light therapy on the temples. V is just covering his ass because he knows the leds can penetrate to the brain. I actually have an LED array designed for improving cognitive function and intelligence.... I can even provide pictures if people think i'm lieing.

Your second point has been disscussed quite often and i personally don't agree with it. You can't remove much of the initial inflammation with the leds and i believe people that have scared in the past need to reduce the inflammation at every stage of wound healing, to a certain extent. Remember it was excess and prolonged inflammation that caused the scarring in the first place...

Have a play around though, for some people maybe it will be beneficial to leave it a few days. Personally i have found the oposite to be true, but like everything in the medical field we are all very individual and nothing will work exactly the same for everyone.

just out of curiosity ... what would happen if you were to somehow completly eliminate inflamation in the skin ... would the skin still scar ?

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Well i don't think it would be possible to completely eliminate inflammation but if you could i don't think the wound would heal properly. You do need some inflammation to initiate the healing process but my point was you don't need much atall...

The inflammation is there because immune system cytokines, T cells etc have been sent to protect from infection. So you can see when doing somthing like needling the amount of cytokines which are sent to prevent infection aren't needed as they would be with an open wound...With an open wound it could potentially be better to NOT use light therapy until it seals over. Then again they use LLLT and LED therapy to heal open bed sores on diabetic patients with great success.

I don't think anyone can give a definitive answer as to whether using light therapy straight away is the best option or not. I'm not certain but like i said i see benefits from doing so and i think in people who are prone to scarring, it is only a good thing.

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Guys,

To clear up what the ledman said, he only stated that the infrared 880 could hurt your eyes. He knows that the infrared 880 will penetrate though your head to your eyes so closing your eyes won't do anything.

The red and yellow LEDs are fine according to him.

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I have a red/infrared from the ledman. I started needling/rolling 3 wks ago. i plan on doing another session in 3wks. Should I be using the the light everynight or every other night?

I have a few deeper scars that i am needling. Can I needle 3wks post rolling. I would appreciate anyone's advice.

Thanks

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I want to start blue/red light therapy really soon is het ok to use the blue light from enlux and the dual array red/infrared from led man? or is infrared not suitable for this and what is the difference anyway between red and infrared.

thanks.

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I have a red/infrared from the ledman. I started needling/rolling 3 wks ago. i plan on doing another session in 3wks. Should I be using the the light everynight or every other night?

I have a few deeper scars that i am needling. Can I needle 3wks post rolling. I would appreciate anyone's advice.

Thanks

Hi,

before you start another needling/dermarolling session on the same area, you should wait at least 6 weeks for optimal collagen buildup. Concerning to your led question: you can use the lights every day, this is what lamarr suggested. I think the amber 590nm LED Light is also important.

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Hi,

before you start another needling/dermarolling session on the same area, you should wait at least 6 weeks for optimal collagen buildup. Concerning to your led question: you can use the lights every day, this is what lamarr suggested. I think the amber 590nm LED Light is also important.

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Would acupuncture needles work? I was searching for the bd micro pen needles in the US and can't find them but did find acupuncture needles online for a decent price.

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It looks like you can order them from Canada and they aren't very expensive.

Thank you very much!!

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Thank your for the reply.

That being said The few scars that i would like to needle are in the same area that I am usting the dermaroller. Should I dermaroll then wait 6 wks and needle those few scars? Could I do both at the same time?

I would'nt do both at the same time. Dermaroller is better for large areas and needling is a good treatment for few but also deep scars(I hope my wording is clear).

But I also have question. I asked this question many times before, but never got an answer: Are the

beveled BD 31G 5mm needles ok for scarring, because some mentioned that beveled needles might be contraproductive for scars(the dermarollers are not beveled). Thanks

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Thank your for the reply.

That being said The few scars that i would like to needle are in the same area that I am usting the dermaroller. Should I dermaroll then wait 6 wks and needle those few scars? Could I do both at the same time?

I would'nt do both at the same time. Dermaroller is better for large areas and needling is a good treatment for few but also deep scars(I hope my wording is clear).

But I also have question. I asked this question many times before, but never got an answer: Are the

beveled BD 31G 5mm needles ok for scarring, because some mentioned that beveled needles might be contraproductive for scars(the dermarollers are not beveled). Thanks

Don't use lancets bro, no the beveled needles aren't ok. Use the diabetic NEEDLES, you should see no bevel on them.

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I have uneven texture and shallow scarring from accutane pretty widespread and a few deeper scars from my previous acne. I am dermarolling @ 6wk intervals with a 1.5 dermaroller. I wish to needle the deeper. Would it be ok to needle the few scars @ the 3 wk mark between rolling.

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Here is a pic of a diabetic needle.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...sa%3DX%26um%3D1

So what is the difference with a lancet and a diabetic needle bc,my lancet looks the same as the diabetic needle on the end.

Couldn anyone put up pictures of the lancet and diabetic needles to show ppl what the difference in the two needles.

A lancet will have a beveled tip meaning a slant to it. The needles tip are flat or level

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A lancet will have a beveled tip meaning a slant to it. The needles tip are flat or level

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The difference between the two is that under microscope a diabetic NEEDLE, may actually appear as a lancet. This is because of how the needles are made to penetrate the skin optimally. E.g. they are beveled slightly so there is half the resistance when initially penetrating the skin.

However to the naked eye a diabetic needle will look perfectly smooth, a lancet would appear like your first picture sam, but to the naked eye rather than under microscope.

I think they throw the word lancet round to much. Some of the 'lancets' would be ok to use for our purpose so long as when you look at them, they are very thin e.g. 31-33g. They shouldn't appear to get thicker towards the end (the end which first penetrates your skin).

A real lancet would look kind of diamond shaped at the end. Or you can think what an old fashioned hunting spear is shaped like..

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Sam, if the whole needle is 33g all the way along and you see no bevel at the end, they will be fine. I think in the case of your 'lancets' they are needles, but called lancets because they are used for drawing blood....

As far as i can tell bro yours look fine, just make sure they are 33g all the way along and have no bevel at the end, use a magnefine glass to be certain.

Also what length are these Sam? make sure your getting a good few mm of penetration into your scars!!

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