1. If you are doing trio then 5 to 7 days since the cross scabare a bit noticeable unless you just have icepick scars. But if you dont give a shit about people I would say 3 days staysince the majority of subcision swelling will subside thenthere will be just scabsnoticeable and you can fly back.

2. By self

3.1750 not sure if this is the same price plus hotel 30 dollars plus airbnb,motel 6

4.cant be a one and done unless you have shallow scars.if you have moderate to severe expect more sessions.

13 hours ago, getsmart121 said:

1. If you are doing trio then 5 to 7 days since the cross scabare a bit noticeable unless you just have icepick scars. But if you dont give a shit about people I would say 3 days staysince the majority of subcision swelling will subside thenthere will be just scabsnoticeable and you can fly back.

2. By self

3.1750 not sure if this is the same price plus hotel 30 dollars plus airbnb,motel 6

4.cant be a one and done unless you have shallow scars.if you have moderate to severe expect more sessions.

Thanks for the answers! I thought it was 6000 something for the trio package? Or the chemibrasion is not part of the trio package?

2 hours ago, Jack817 said:

Thanks for the answers! I thought it was 6000 something for the trio package? Or the chemibrasion is not part of the trio package?

Chemobrasion is a different procedure altogether that is 6000 dollars and 10 days of heal time. He preps the skin by doing trio first to lift the scars.

7 hours ago, getsmart121 said:

Chemobrasion is a different procedure altogether that is 6000 dollars and 10 days of heal time. He preps the skin by doing trio first to lift the scars.

I see. So can all the treatments trio + chemobrasion be done in the same session or they have do be done in different sessions? It seems like you've some experience with Dr Rullan. Did you see any significant improvement when comparing with your previous doctors?

5 hours ago, Jack817 said:

I see. So can all the treatments trio + chemobrasion be done in the same session or they have do be done in different sessions? It seems like you've some experience with Dr Rullan. Did you see any significant improvement when comparing with your previous doctors?

My firstdoctor was rullan. Its two different procedure the trio consist of subcision +cross + microneedling or erbium laser.

I didnt see much improvement from him, some scars responded to some scars didnt respond at all. I had boxcar icepick, ice pick not much, boxcars were starting to become shallow but more like starting. What I would say is this you will see the overall scar to more lifting. But ifeltlike the scars werethere because the edges werestill prominent. I had 2 sessions with him of trio. But I feel before starting your procedure you should definitely start with subcision and other manual procedure first.

wheras Chemobrasion is a 2 day procedure, 1st day subcision and phenol peel full face. 2nd day using toungue depressor to remove theliquified skin from top and then physically abradingscars (as per his article he said he abrades scars but what I heard from some people saidhe isnoTabrading afterremoving skin)and putting phenol again.

if you have moderate scars with not much atrophy butconcerned how the skin looks overall as in pores, shallow boxcarscars tiny icepicks any type of scar which is closer to normal skin would respond best. Then this procedure a good choice. If you need some work to lift the scars first go for trio to get the ball running. If you have severe scars expect sessions dont think 2 or 3 sessions is going to fix it to where you can be mentally. If the scars are fresh maybe you can get more improvement.

so phenol peel is pretty much for surface type scarring right? pretty much the same job as a ablative co2 laser?

19 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:

so phenol peel is pretty much for surface type scarring right? pretty much the same job as a ablative co2 laser?

Yes that is the treatment goal with both of them. Again there is a difference between fractional abaltive laser and fully abaltive laser. Full abrades the complete surface untila certain depth whereas fractional vaporizes tiny holes in skin.

thanks getsmart121....interesting that fractional co2 halo laser did nothing for my scars and a few sessions at that....(as youve seen my scars)

wonder if fully abaltive c02 laser would do anything? though i doubt it if at all much difference than the above

also id say all my scars are definitely more than 2-3mm hence no result at all from lasers

You can do a spot test. If you are right you will see great results. There is huge difference between the two, fully abaltive is bit riskier but the results are definitely better than fractional that is why when they trim the edges they use fully mode not fractional. Fractional is always for overall skin as the laser will goto healthy and scarred skin. I am not sure about the depth but it does remove thecomplete tissue to a certain depth.

Since you said you scar pattern is longer, excision is not the right answer. Is to focus on the edges. Excision is only done for deep scar visible in normal light. You only hope is laser on the edges and filler. Even if you dodermabrasion they will only abrade the edges. What would you want to thin the the complete area equally lol

but why not do for a test spot for dermabrasion?

6 hours ago, getsmart121 said:

My firstdoctor was rullan. Its two different procedure the trio consist of subcision +cross + microneedling or erbium laser.

I didnt see much improvement from him, some scars responded to some scars didnt respond at all. I had boxcar icepick, ice pick not much, boxcars were starting to become shallow but more like starting. What I would say is this you will see the overall scar to more lifting. But ifeltlike the scars werethere because the edges werestill prominent. I had 2 sessions with him of trio. But I feel before starting your procedure you should definitely start with subcision and other manual procedure first.

wheras Chemobrasion is a 2 day procedure, 1st day subcision and phenol peel full face. 2nd day using toungue depressor to remove theliquified skin from top and then physically abradingscars (as per his article he said he abrades scars but what I heard from some people saidhe isnoTabrading afterremoving skin)and putting phenol again.

if you have moderate scars with not much atrophy butconcerned how the skin looks overall as in pores, shallow boxcarscars tiny icepicks any type of scar which is closer to normal skin would respond best. Then this procedure a good choice. If you need some work to lift the scars first go for trio to get the ball running. If you have severe scars expect sessions dont think 2 or 3 sessions is going to fix it to where you can be mentally. If the scars are fresh maybe you can get more improvement.

This is really helpful and thanks a lot for sharing the experience.

I have lots of icepicks, some shallow boxcars, and some shallow rollings. I've given up on those icepicks, and just wanna improve on the boxcars and rollings. Had about 3-4 sessions of subcisions with fillers, but not seeing too much improvement. One more question, do you know if Dr Rullan uses cannula only? Or he uses Tyler method for subcision?

3 hours ago, Jack817 said:

 

This is really helpful and thanks a lot for sharing the experience.

I have lots of icepicks, some shallow boxcars, and some shallow rollings. I've given up on those icepicks, and just wanna improve on the boxcars and rollings. Had about 3-4 sessions of subcisions with fillers, but not seeing too much improvement. One more question, do you know if Dr Rullan uses cannula only? Or he uses Tyler method for subcision?

He uses cannula. I think his method is mostly for moderate to shallow scars but for deep icepick or boxcar scars not sure. I think angled laser is more effective for boxcars. Maybe chemobrasion helps for those boxcars scars. But here what I think any person with acne scars in the midst of scars has texture issue such as shallow scars, enlarged pores, tiny icepick, shallow boxcars. For these chemobrasion is perfect as lasers for some reason are not able to eradicate that. So once you remove all other imperfection the canvas becomes clear.

21 hours ago, getsmart121 said:

He uses cannula. I think his method is mostly for moderate to shallow scars but for deep icepick or boxcar scars not sure. I think angled laser is more effective for boxcars. Maybe chemobrasion helps for those boxcars scars. But here what I think any person with acne scars in the midst of scars has texture issue such as shallow scars, enlarged pores, tiny icepick, shallow boxcars. For these chemobrasion is perfect as lasers for some reason are not able to eradicate that. So once you remove all other imperfection the canvas becomes clear.

Thanks a lot for all these information. I have had some CO2 treatment before. I might wanna receive one more CO2 treatment to smooth the edges of all boxcars before heading to Rullan to have the final touch.

Really appreciate your help!

On 8/30/2021 at 9:06 AM, pleasehelp321 said:

thanks getsmart121....interesting that fractional co2 halo laser did nothing for my scars and a few sessions at that....(as youve seen my scars)

 

wonder if fully abaltive c02 laser would do anything? though i doubt it if at all much difference than the above

also id say all my scars are definitely more than 2-3mm hence no result at all from lasers

Did you haveHalo laser? Maybe I'm mistaken but you call it halo.I don't think Halo is co2. It seems really mild to me, not for moderate boxcars. I got about 10% improvement to mild boxcars from it. Halo has barely any downtime.

hi kay24 yes agreed but co2 laser blative hardly used these days causes too much complications and people been scarred from it and prolonged redness for a long time

2 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:

hi kay24 yes agreed but co2 laser blative hardly used these days causes too much complications and people been scarred from it and prolonged redness for a long time

Just go for erbium less intense it also comes full ablative mode

1 minute ago, pleasehelp321 said:

hi kay24 yes agreed but co2 laser blative hardly used these days causes too much complications and people been scarred from it and prolonged redness for a long time

My go to these days would be a fractional ablative laser such as deep fx. This only removes a percentage for the dermis therefore reducing the chances of complications.