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I know some people on here have done phenol chemobrasion by dr rullan which includes subcision, phenol peel and physical abrasion with currette surgical instrument.
can people who have donephenol chemobrasion share their experiences, Fitzpatrick skin color, regrets, improvement and downtime. Any before and after pictures would also be great(you can crop the picture to your cheek to protect your privacy)
having this information is going to tremendously help people wether to take the plunge for a deep peel.
Let me add some threads where people have well documented their journey for phenol chemobrasion here:
11 hours ago, getsmart121 said:I know some people on here have done phenol chemobrasion by dr rullan which includes subcision, phenol peel and physical abrasion with currette surgical instrument.
can people who have donephenol chemobrasion share their experiences, Fitzpatrick skin color, regrets, improvement and downtime. Any before and after pictures would also be great(you can crop the picture to your cheek to protect your privacy)
having this information is going to tremendously help people wether to take the plunge for a deep peel.
Let me add some threads where people have well documented their journey for phenol chemobrasion here:
Hmm, is it only me or does it really come across as if f93 doesn't ascribe a lotof his good improvement to the 2 days phenol peel? As if it wasn't as intrumental as other treatments, especially fillers.
12 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Jaysonc the above chap got no improvement from phenol peel chemabrasion just as an example
and his scars are severe like myn in real harsh lighting
Who f93d? I don't recall reading such thing. In fact, he said he got improvement from the deep peel and it was totally worth it for him. It's on his thread.
I don't know. Maybe it's a case of unrealistic expectations from scar treatments doctors haven't made it clear enough but sadly people with moderate to severe atrophic scars can aim at improvement at most, perfection and normal looking like skin is impossible for us. Improvements however very well achievable.
For me f93d has one of the most acne scar transformation I have ever seen. His skin looks amazing in comparison to where he started!
jaysonc as i said you have to try and speak to them personally and even try to meet them personally thats my view not trust what many lying doctors say which has happened to me over 20 years
a doctor once gave me good photos of patients they treated with acne scars and i said can i please contact them or meet them and they said nah privacy concerns liars - as if a fellow 'cured' acne scar sufferer would not like to help someone also in their ongoing battle with acne scars
Im having this procedure in two weeks time (8th and 9th of July) with Dr Rullan.Im 25, with moderate to severe scarring and extremely pale. I will be posting updates on my thread in due time, if any one is curious. I have textural rolling scars and boxcar scars.
5 hours ago, pleasehelp321 said:jaysonc as i said you have to try and speak to them personally and even try to meet them personally thats my view not trust what many lying doctors say which has happened to me over 20 years
a doctor once gave me good photos of patients they treated with acne scars and i said can i please contact them or meet them and they said nah privacy concerns liars - as if a fellow 'cured' acne scar sufferer would not like to help someone also in their ongoing battle with acne scars
There are many con artists among doctors for sure but those who've been treated by Dr Rullan describe him as very straight forward and ethical doctor. He's had a successful private practice for 30 years, and hundreds of patients seek his help for scar treatments. I truly don't think he's that much after the 6k for the phenol peel. He probably makes as much in one morning. If Rullan recommends the peel, it is because he thinks you'll benefit from it.
JaysonC I really agree with you though im from Australia ive only heard the most excellent and ethical things about Dr Rullan unlike Lim who has so much negative customers hes been struck off and just look at all negative complaints on the real medical board ratemds unlike realself where doctors can post good reviews of themselves
12 hours ago, pleasehelp321 said:JaysonC I really agree with you though im from Australia ive only heard the most excellent and ethical things about Dr Rullan unlike Lim who has so much negative customers hes been struck off and just look at all negative complaints on the real medical board ratemds unlike realself where doctors can post good reviews of themselves
Mate I feel you. Maybe Dr Lim's lasers have not been suitable for your scars and he did them anyway.
As other people have advised try fillers as a last resort. The phenol peel seems suitable for shallow scars only, not the type of scars you and me have.
JaysonC you are a champion would lovew to meet you in real life...lasers not suitable for deeper scars and yes phenol peel is for texture and real shallow scars dont know wht dr rullan said I needed that when i sent him photos....promise me we keep in touch if we come up with some more good ideas to exchange? take care
7 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:JaysonC you are a champion would lovew to meet you in real life...lasers not suitable for deeper scars and yes phenol peel is for texture and real shallow scars dont know wht dr rullan said I needed that when i sent him photos....promise me we keep in touch if we come up with some more good ideas to exchange? take care
Rullan said that? Hmm I've read on the threads about phenol peel here Rullan recommends the peel when all other treatments have failed you, kind of like your case. You know what I'll send photos too. How much does he charge? I think drs charge like 50 bucks for online consult with photos. Sure mate! Lets grab a beer sometimes..I'm in Oz too.
Phenol chemabrasion wont do anything for depressed scarring. If you used temporaryfiller prior, it will probably make the depressed scarslook deeper.
Its magic for eliminatingscar edges,discoloration, wrinkles, fine lines, large pores, small ice picks, and other minor, flat, and tough to treat defects lasers often fail to fix.
Anyone using the peel for moderate to severe depressed scarring is probably wasting money and time - dontdo it.
23 hours ago, f93d said:Phenol chemabrasion won™t do anything for depressed scarring. If you used temporary filler prior, it will probably make the depressed scars look deeper.
It™s magic for eliminating scar edges, discoloration, wrinkles, fine lines, large pores, small ice picks, and other minor, flat, and tough to treat defects lasers often fail to fix.
Anyone using the peel for moderate to severe depressed scarring is probably wasting money and time - don™t do it.
Based off my scarring, would you recommend the phenol peel? I am scheduled in for this procedure in a week and a half.. rullan did recommend the peel so I™m sure there™s a reason to this but just wanting some extra input.
17 minutes ago, shei514 said:Based off my scarring, would you recommend the phenol peel? I am scheduled in for this procedure in a week and a half.. rullan did recommend the peel so I™m sure there™s a reason to this but just wanting some extra input.
You seem like a very good candidate for chemobrasion. I have a high instinct about this working for your scars as your scars are not deep and textural. Did you ask dr rullan which abrasion tool he will use curettes covers very small surface are so I am guessing he might miss a lot of areas, how about sandpaper as it will cover more area
here is a video of the instrument usage. Warning graphic!
38 minutes ago, getsmart121 said:You seem like a very good candidate for chemobrasion. I have a high instinct about this working for your scars as your scars are not deep and textural. Did you ask dr rullan which abrasion tool he will use curettes covers very small surface are so I am guessing he might miss a lot of areas, how about sandpaper as it will cover more area
here is a video of the instrument usage. Warning graphic!
I was partially awake. He used a wooden tongue depressor (like the one doctors use to check the back of throat/tonsils) and a metal tool (looks like a tool to extract blackheads/pimple) on certain areas.
This is on the second day after phenol was applied. My face bleed from the frictions from the tongue depressor. He moved it left to right removing the skin that was liquidized from phenol and I guess that was the dermabrasion portion.
11 hours ago, gynoscar said:I was partially awake. He used a wooden tongue depressor (like the one doctors use to check the back of throat/tonsils) and a metal tool (looks like a tool to extract blackheads/pimple) on certain areas.
This is on the second day after phenol was applied. My face bleed from the frictions from the tongue depressor. He moved it left to right removing the skin that was liquidized from phenol and I guess that was the dermabrasion portion.
Do you know the phenol percentage he used on your face and what Fitzpatrick are you?
if you dont know that you can email amyshe will tell the percentages he used.
21 hours ago, shei514 said:Based off my scarring, would you recommend the phenol peel? I am scheduled in for this procedure in a week and a half.. rullan did recommend the peel so Im sure theres a reason to this but just wanting some extra input.
Yeah I think it'll help a lot - you're probably a prime candidate due to lots of textural irregularities. Won't do anything for even the smallish pits -use superficial filler for the remaining pits after, should look decent.
Your skin should keep improving until about1 year post.
9 hours ago, getsmart121 said:Do you know the phenol percentage he used on your face and what Fitzpatrick are you?
if you dont know that you can email amyshe will tell the percentages he used.
I'm Fitzpatrick 3. When I asked, I believe the nurse said it varies based on the location (eyes, around mouth, cheeks, etc). It's also listed on his paper ranging between 30-60%.
1 hour ago, f93d said:Yeah I think it'll help a lot - you're probably a prime candidate due to lots of textural irregularities. Won't do anything for even the smallish pits -use superficial filler for the remaining pits after, should look decent.
Your skin should keep improving until about1 year post.
Your thread was legendary and inspired me to do a lot of the procedures. Are you planning on doing any more treatments or are you content with the way it is?
1 hour ago, gynoscar said:I'm Fitzpatrick 3. When I asked, I believe the nurse said it varies based on the location (eyes, around mouth, cheeks, etc). It's also listed on his paper ranging between 30-60%.
Your thread was legendary and inspired me to do a lot of the procedures. Are you planning on doing any more treatments or are you content with the way it is?
I guesshe dilutes for people with darker skin and increases for people with fairer skin?
3 hours ago, f93d said:Yeah I think it'll help a lot - you're probably a prime candidate due to lots of textural irregularities. Won't do anything for even the smallish pits -use superficial filler for the remaining pits after, should look decent.
Your skin should keep improving until about1 year post.
Do you think rf needling will do a better job in that case for texture? So my understanding is this when we go for trio with rullan, if we take a pitted scar as an example, we are basically doing everything on itexcept the abrasion part. That should be most likely the peel experience overall.
Also, are the peel results holding up for you since you had the procedure?
18 hours ago, gynoscar said:I'm Fitzpatrick 3. When I asked, I believe the nurse said it varies based on the location (eyes, around mouth, cheeks, etc). It's also listed on his paper ranging between 30-60%.
Your thread was legendary and inspired me to do a lot of the procedures. Are you planning on doing any more treatments or are you content with the way it is?
Thanks. I wish my skin was better, but I was able to move on. Scars are for life, even the shallow ones.I only plan to top up filler in the future, every 2 years.
17 hours ago, getsmart121 said:I guesshe dilutes for people with darker skin and increases for people with fairer skin?
Do you think rf needling will do a better job in that case for texture? So my understanding is this when we go for trio with rullan, if we take a pitted scar as an example, we are basically doing everything on itexcept the abrasion part. That should be most likely the peel experience overall.
Also, are the peel results holding up for you since you had the procedure?
I didn't have much luck with RF besides the Sculptra + RF trick for building volume. I think RF alone is a waste and can result in fat loss, making it a risky investment. It did nothing for texture. Almost as useless as skin needling except for that one use case.
The peel results are permanent and can be seen by month 6, continues to improve until month 12 or so, but be aware of potential permanent risks. Your skin should be bad enough where the risk/reward ratio makes sense. I did not have any side effects, but I know people who did.
16 hours ago, f93d said:Thanks. I wish my skin was better, but I was able to move on. Scars are for life, even the shallow ones.I only plan to top up filler in the future, every 2 years.
I didn't have much luck with RF besides the Sculptra + RF trick for building volume. I think RF alone is a waste and can result in fat loss, making it a risky investment. It did nothing for texture. Almost as useless as skin needling except for that one use case.
The peel results are permanent and can be seen by month 6, continues to improve until month 12 or so, but be aware of potential permanent risks. Your skin should be bad enough where the risk/reward ratio makes sense. I did not have any side effects, but I know people who did.
I am glad the peel went well for you! And as a whole you've achieved such big improvement that inspires people to seek treatment too.
What kind of side effects do you mean? Who was the treating physician? I thought the phenol peel is safe as long as it is done by experienced physician.