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MSM: The verdict?

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(@paul-b)

Posted : 03/02/2016 12:26 pm

There has been a lot of talk online about MSM and how it is supposedly beneficial to people with acne or acne scars. For example, a lot of people have posted rave reviews on websites like Amazon saying that it really helped. There are people however, that say it either breaks them out in new acne or has no impact when it comes to acne scarring and dismiss it as just being another snake oil.

One of the main problems is that there is seemingly no clear understanding as to what circumstances MSM is supposed to be useful in. i.e. Is it supposed to be beneficial to people with active acne, people who have recently had acne, acne scarring or all of these things?

Without knowing that, how can people say whether that it is or isn't any good?

I'm sure it does have its benefits its just that its not clear on what they are.

What is MSM?

MSM can be used either as a cream applied directly to the skin or consumed in tablet/crystals/powder form with a glass of water.

What are the benefits of MSM?

To quote the product description of a tub of MSM cream:

"MSM Cream maximizes and protects skin health. Your skin has a very high concentration of cysteine, which is one of the sulfur containing amino acids that gives keratin (a particular protein found in skin tissue) its property of toughness. The biologically active sulfur found in MSM helps keep skin soft, smooth and pliable even in hot, harsh environments. Another benefit of MSM has been seen in reducing the amount of scar tissue developed after traumatic circumstances. After injury or surgery, the body tries to reconnect (cross link) itself and heal the damaged tissue; however, it does not usually heal to the pre-damaged state. MSM has been shown to assist in proper tissue reconnecting, therefore reducing the development of scar tissue.

The above would suggest that it can be beneficial to people who are in the process of recovering from recent active acne by way of reducing the amount of scar tissue that is formed rather than removing what is already there.

MSM should also improve growth of both the hair and nails, at least when taken in supplement form. That's all well and good but won't be the number 1 reason why people on this forum will be contemplating using it.

False hope?

Now, I think one of the main reasons for MSMs fame is this article on The Love Vitamin. http://thelovevitamin.com/3586/rolling-acne-scars-msm-cream/
This young girl claims that it cured her deep rolling acne scars. That sure does sound great but you dont find anyone in the subsequent comments saying wow, yeah thanks! This worked for me too! The closest you get is yeah, I think its having an effect only to realise a little while down the line that it actually wasn't.

I think for the most part, this article triggered false hope in many people under the illusion that it was some kind of miracle cream.

Trouble is, a lot of people post 5-star reviews after just a few days or weeks and say excellent results so far and then you never hear from them again. Any results need to be judged over a far greater period of time as any improvement people may have had may either have been imaginary, temporary or not as a direct result of MSM but something else.

How is MSM beneficial to those with acne scarring that is one or more years old?

I reckon that another cause for confusion is that a lot of peoples definition of scars is not the same. For example, any red blemishes caused from acne are often referred to as scars. People who have got over the phase of having active acne and are left with indented pits, is a whole other matter entirely and requires a different form of treatment. I personally believe that MSM cream can be beneficial when applied to fresh blemishes or marks (before they actually become scars). I dont think it is going to be of much use to people with left with indentations in the skin at least not as a form of treatment on its own.
My theory is that MSM can be of use when it comes to acne scarring, but it must be used in accordance with other treatments. For example, skin needling. A wound healing process would need to be initiated.

Temporary gains?

missamua, who I think its fair to say is a respected member on these forums, once said:

MSM cream temporarily plumps up and smooths out texture. Dimethicone is one of the ingredients that helps with that.

This would certainly explain why people seem to think its helping them to begin with and say OMG. This is great! but does it really benefit them in the long-term?

In summary

I want to give it a try, over a prolonged period of time but it would help if I first of all understood how it is supposed to help. If you are serious reaping the rewards that any effects MSM can bring though, then you should be using it both externally AND internally am I right?

Anyone that can share either their experience or knowledge of MSM will be greatly appreciated.

Is there anyone out there who can say that it has helped them in one form or another?

Many thanks for your help in trying to clarify this confusing subject matter!

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(@dan34)

Posted : 03/02/2016 12:48 pm

I used it for a couple months and while it does plump up the skin at first, I didn't notice any improvement in indented scarring. I still use it after I dermastamp though because it can't hurt.

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(@fory0608)

Posted : 03/02/2016 5:38 pm

4 hours ago, Dan34 said:

I used it for a couple months and while it does plump up the skin at first, I didn't notice any improvement in indented scarring. I still use it after I dermastamp though because it can't hurt.

Hi Dan34, how long does it plump the skin? a couple of minutes? A couple of hours?

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(@dan34)

Posted : 03/02/2016 9:50 pm

Few minutes.

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(@paul-b)

Posted : 03/16/2016 12:52 pm

Thanks for the replies folks.

Well, I certainly conclude that it is not in any way useful - at least not when used as a cream on its own.

I think for the most part, people who have used it don't use it for long enough to make a solid judgement on its effectiveness but I don't honestly believe that it would be a worthwhile pursuit. We have to assume that the girl's story in the article I referenced is genuine but the reality is she may have just got lucky and thought that MSM was the cure when it wasn't. It's seemingly sold a lot of people down the wrong path. She had only recently had acne and may have healed naturally.It all goes back to people's definition of "scars" being completely different...

As I said before, I reckon you'd need to initiate a would healing response in order for it to potentially have an impact. e.g. after dermarolling

I bought a tub of MSM cream a while back and it says on the front "Restores and repairs skin & collagen tissue" accompanied by a couple of asterisks... the small print being that it is not a statement that has been approved by the FDA. People take supplements to aid the development of new collagen after dermarolling treatments and suchlike so whether MSM is an appropriate product to use for such purposes I'm not completely sure.

The whole thing about collagen is what has sold countless tubs of the stuff I think it has to be said, and all of those people will have been solely disappointed. It does rather seem to be the cause of false hope for a lot of people. The claims are fantastic but sadly there aren't any follow-up success stories of using MSM cream that I can find.

MSM is supposed to be good for your skin and growth of both your hair and nails when taking internally as a supplement. I think people who are using it for their skin problems are more likely to see their hair and nails grow than dramatic improvements in their skin, unfortunately.

If anyone truly believes it does have its benefits - please do let us know (and what they are and under what circumstances), but in the meantime I will remain sceptical. Trouble is, if you are using it in accordance with trying other things - if you notice improvements, how do you know which thing it is that is actuallyhelping your situation?

PS. It really annoys be how people post 5-star reviews for products on retail websites after a couple of days or a week. Give it time and then post a review. No use saying "great so far" when the effects may only be temporary and not long lasting, or even just in your head. Plus, a lot of them are disclaimer reviews like "I received this product in exchange for my honest and unbiased review."Grr.

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(@holdingontohope)

Posted : 05/05/2016 10:59 pm

You might have not noticed, but the Love Vitamin does get paid if you click the Amazon link and buy something. That right there is a bit fishy to me. Also, the Love Vitamin's acne seemed to be an internal problem that was easily fixable. I don't have that kind of acne.

Something claiming to be the cure all usually is a lie.

Also, there are people who work for companies who post fake reviews.

Can it help? Maybe? I haven't read too much about MSM but I've heard some positive and some bad things about it. From what I've experienced, a lot of these supplements are just hype. I'd rather get my nutrients from food, the way nature intended. I always find that I have some kind of reaction to stuff like this. Let's not forget fish oil, which broke me out. Multivitamins which broke me out. Grass fed gelatin (of which there is only one brand)also gave me acne. Is this a purge effect? I don't know. I find the purge effect to be questionable. It's just funny how each year something is hyped. Sell a couple million products and get rich fast.

Follow the money trail.

It is important to do your own research and to have an open mind. Don't listen to one person. Don't even listen to me. Experience is the best teacher.

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(@blahblahblahblahz)

Posted : 05/06/2016 8:40 am

There is no topical or supplement in existence that does anything for acne scars. It is 100% all snake oil.

The only things that have any effect are surgical treatments, lasers, TCA Cross, etc.

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