Alagyour right it's an even bigger risk than the more expensive recell with Dr rawlings or dr khan.but the cheaper price is tempting.but they are completely unheard of imo.Hope01 says he went for consoltation and that got me thinking that perhaps they will be good.but once again I can't find one review or real pic from a patient.I just don't know .recell treatment in london have told me 5 times that I must pay 250 consoltation. And 1000 pounds deposit.but I got my mum to phone up and she was told 3000 pounds for the treatment and 100 pounds consoltation. She phone them twice and they told her 3000 and 100 both times.that was yesterday evening.now I just phoned them again and they said as they always do to me no recell treatment starts at 3000 pounds minimum price is 5000 pounds and consoltationis 250 .so are they trying to scam me out of 2000 pounds because I'm young? Why are they telling my mum this different info,and i had online consoltation also and told the 5000 pounds minimum story
17 hours ago, Aesthetic beast said:The first treatment u tried was not what thesame as this vitiligo/burns clinic in london is offering unless you have had recell.you told meuhave had mini grafts melanosite transfer .and it has a possibility to get polka dot look.and we said for a larger areas it will not be suitable for me ,t
You didn't "read" my post.
I did say
"Unfortunately the repigmentation is the bigger issue. I too have scars which i wanted to get repigmented. I tried melanocyte transfer from a piece of skin graft which not much different from how recell works and post procedure had multiple sessions of excimer laser to stimulate melanogenesis but it didn't work one bit. "
This procedure works really well for stable vitiligo. In vitiligo, you have normal skin structures and normal blood supply, just a lack of melanocytes. Scar tissue is different, it's just disorganized collagen with lack of skin structures and blood supply, the survival rate of melanocytes drastically decreases. That website, it talks about vitiligo skin, not scar tissue, you cannot extrapolate those figures.
The deeper the scar is, the worse the outcome. If your scar is not too deep, which i guess it isn't, it's worth a shot, It's literally the same procedure as recell, must as well go for the cheap one.
As you guys reading this thread can probably see I'm confused as hell and desperate.and depressed poor
Yo sodium That website says it work for vitiligo and post burns.also I sent my pics to that Indian dr he said I wold be great candidate for the procedure. But his procedure is recell.but they say recell is bs but they are doing recell themselves lol.Imo all 3 clinics are criminals preying on the poor young and desperate.I'm going to risk wasting a few thousand pounds on one of these scammers as I haveno choice. I will be in debt for life if I take out 3 credit cards to pay for this.I don't work either as I had to quit working due to the burn.so fuking pissed off
I hilighted the part u must have missed from this Indian site.as you can see this is recell identical in every way. But they are calling it melanosite transfer instead.recell was designed for post burn scar hypopigmentation. And this Indian place is doing the same.as you can see in there procedure decription. What scares me is they say RECELL IS RUBBISH don't get recell,come and do our melanosite transfer instead as it's much much better.LOL it's the same god dam thing but 2000 pound cheaper
On 12/2/2015, 1103, sodiumhydroxide said:
You didn't "read" my post.
I did say
"Unfortunately the repigmentation is the bigger issue. I too have scars which i wanted to get repigmented. I tried melanocyte transfer from a piece of skin graft which not much different from how recell works and post procedure had multiple sessions of excimer laser to stimulate melanogenesis but it didn't work one bit. "
This procedure works really well for stable vitiligo. In vitiligo, you have normal skin structures and normal blood supply, just a lack of melanocytes. Scar tissue is different, it's just disorganized collagen with lack of skin structures and blood supply, the survival rate of melanocytes drastically decreases. That website, it talks about vitiligo skin, not scar tissue, you cannot extrapolate those figures.
The deeper the scar is, the worse the outcome. If your scar is not too deep, which i guess it isn't, it's worth a shot, It's literally the same procedure as recell, must as well go for the cheap one.
Recell they take doner skin from behind the ear then separate the cells from the peice of donar tissue.make it into a spray. Then dermabrasion on the area then spray the liquid cells over the new wound .then bandage it up.that's also what this Indian vitiligo clinic does for burn scars and hypopigmentation .but they don't admit that, even thought it's written on there website clearly and I posted a screen shot. You had mini graft implants when they use a tool to remove 1cm skin grafts using a punch same as in hair transplant fue.then they implant the the 1cm plugs of skin graft into the hypopigmentation area thisIndian clinic does not do this.they do recell but won't admit it.they say there proceduremuch betterthan recell lol,but it's the same asrecell in every wayrecell what ever people may call it was and isdesigned for scars with hypopigmentation.anyway there are no reviews of this recell procedure or melanosite transfer from India "Same thing"for scars ,burns,vitiligo etc etc only 2 on this site from 2012 that wasnt even good results and they didn't finish update so I assume it was a massive fail.but I'm so desperate I'm going to wait a couple months and if nobody comes on this thread saying recell is a miracle and show me pics I'll go with either khan or the Indian dude.
Came across an answer to a questionthat might give you a little hope. Maybe you can contact Dr. Davin Limand send him some pictures of your scar to see what he thinks. He's been recommended here before. Let us know what you find out and how things go. It might also improve and blend morewith time. Best wishes.
I wonder if the one case he's having published will include pictures. Most likely he has photo documentation of the results.Maybe he can send them to you.
I'm also interested in this treatment for a couple hypopigmented acne scars.
I'm going to be the world's first real dude on the internet to get recell for burn.fuk it I've just taken out 5 credit cards and I'm going to waste 6000 pounds on this procedure.as I'm desperate.I'm shocked they accepted me for all the cards considering I have no money or a job and my age butwho cares lol. Desperate times means desperate measures
Hi!
Aesthetic I'm having recell done next year too, still deciding who to go tofor it. When are you having it done? My skin was damaged over 15 years ago by severe sun burn and steroid cream, (yes trust me severe sunburn can do this)it's a long story lol. Theskin on my cheeks is scarred and red to this day and a little on my forehead, my forehead looked just like yours for years but mine was actually a bigger area. The redness has faded but the skin still looks damaged and waxy, the skin on the my cheeks is still red now.
Do you get any pain or irritation from the skin on your forehead? I still do on my cheeks it drives me insane. If recell works like it's supposed tothen I think you and myself are ideal candidates, your burn doesn't look deep and neitheris my damage and recell is a surface problem solution. It was never designed for deep acne scars but obviously speeds up the recovery process after lasers, dermabrasion etc.
My main concern is the dermabrasion, I couldn't handle the pain getting any worse on my cheeks, but this procedure is supposed to help that (after the initial healing) so hopefully it will cure this as well as improving my skin.
I also can't believe theres so little before and after pics world wide on this, if any one has any useful links please let me know.
Cheers
Hello mate thanks for posting in my thread.yes my forehead does get a bit sore.hard to describe. It's weird I still think if the redness wasnt there it would probbly not be noticable and blend in more.what I have looks like sunburn.some say it's hypopigmentation but I'm not sure it looks like one shade or maybe half a shade lighter than my surrounding skin there is pigment in it from what I can see.if I raise my eyebrows the red/pinkcolourgoes away and looks sort of normal.or if I stretch the skin it goes back to my normal skin colour. But when I let go it's back to pink colour. It's very strange
Jaden Your forhead looks like mine for years?do u have pics you can show me in pm then and now,if u don't want to post them here.how does it look now?did time sort it out and make the area blend in and look normal
I think I may go with Dr khan in harlysteet London dermabrasion then recell.I will document the entire procedure and progress etc etc to help others in my situation,as nobody else on the entire internet has done this procedure for burn scarring hypopigmentation even though the Dr's say they do thousands of patients for burns at there clinic.I call bs on that
Hey Aesthetic thanks for the reply, I don't have pics from when I got burnt. It was before mobiles, ipads etc but I wish I did take pics now. Basically theskin on my forehead and cheeks where very badly sunburnt. At first I wasn't that concerned, my face felt like it was on fire but I figured it would get better. Whenmy skin peeledthe skin underneath was red raw (it looked like I'd had dermabrasion), the messed up part which I still don't fully understand is my skin just wouldnot heal. Its stayed red and sore for literally years I think I basically had second degree burns and I should have gone to hospital. I went to every dermatologist I could find and they kept telling me itwas rosacea, dermatitis or acne lol I didn't have any spots and still don't, basically I know it was the sunburn because the day before I was fine then from that day onwards I've been in pain and my skin never looked the same. I tried some steroid cream which made things even worse.
The redness on my head took about two years to go back to normal, but it still looks damaged, like a waxy uneventexture. My cheeks have slowly improved but are still painful and red. At this rate I'll be 50 before I feel normal I'm 36 now this happened when I was 20. If your injury happened 8months ago then you could still see improvement as it may still be healing. But no one knows thierskin like themselves if you think its not healing and like myself are convinced your skin is basically fookedor functioning like it should then I say go for it. Just make sure you tell your Dr the wound is only 8 months old as they may suggest waiting or a different treatment.
I will post pics and a progress log when Ihave the treatment, its pretty hard to see the damage to my skin on photosbecause of where I was burnt (on my cheeks) it just comes across like rosaceaor a mild red rash but you can see the scarring and pigmentation in the right light. This is another reason I've had trouble being taken seriously with the pain aspect I have. I believe I have scar tissue and nerve damage of some kind.
It would be great if you could document your procedure, if recell can heal severe 2nd degree burns like that little kid Zed Merrick then surely it can sort out yours and mine lol.
hi Aesthetic beast
I had recell treatment done for my hypertrophic scars exactly 1 month back, by dr.Jeremy who is an expert and a very good doctor, as of now Iam not at all happy with how it looks and doctor says it would improve over time and it might take upto 18months, it kind of sounds promising as you can imagine using cells ,if something had to be cultured in a lab, it takes sometime, no magic happens there , may be the same with our skin, its just my thought.
one thing i would like to point about this treatment is both these doctors and avita are too much money oriented.I had the treatment done in Australia. I had to pay $1500 for recell kit and dermabrasion, $500 for needling, $250 for consultation, $5000 as doctors fee, $1000 procedure fee, $600 accomodation fee by hospital though there was no overnight stay. so totally 9100AUD. Doctors fee was just too much to bear, understand that it is a very simple procedure done under local anasthaesia. Before doing the treatment I also thought of talking to some dermatologist about the treatment so that i would be able to save up on the doctors fee and some other unnecessary fees,but the doctor I spoke to was like she needs to see someone doing the procedure to learn about it and also the recell kit was unavailable in my country, may be if a dermatologist does the same procedure it would cost less than 3000AUD , (1500AUD for recell kit + 1500AUD procedure fee).
Ill just wait for a year and update you, if it gives a good result on hypertrophic scars, then definitely it will help you better.
I suggest you to try microskin camouflage for time being, it will look 100% natural like the rest of your skin, so that you are not self conscious about it and can function normally. Doing recell really costs a fortune and its worthiness is questionable. then the other treatment you mentioned Melanocyte transfer, it is also just like recell i think, ive sent a message to them as the clinic in India is just a few kms from my residence. Also I think if the cost of this treatment is cheaper .then in India it will be even more cheaper, why not consider flying to India for getting it done? if its less than $3000 its worth a try or else you can wait untill i share my result, but mine is a different conditon.
I also want to mention that day I got the treatment done, two more patients also went through the same procedure so including me there were 3 recell cases on the same day and everyone had to pay almost the same price, so ya many people do it to somehow escape the condition and keep qiet about it. Everyone has a privacy concern and most of them including me ,wont allow to use our pics, they did not take a photo also, but i had sent some pics taken by myself to doctor, but thats personal and i dont think doctors will care to show the pics, some might.
I would also like to share that recell is not a new revolutionary treatment, but a treatment from years back called melanocyte transplantation, but now avita has just commercialised it maximum with the recell tag . Scientific studies has proved it a failiure on many vitilgo patients. Here is one of the link http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352241015000213
Hi and thanks for coming on this thread .what is microscopic camouflage? Also the melanosite transfer from the Indian company does in it London for 2000 pounds.recell with rawlings and kahn charge 6000 pounds.both procedures are the same.the Indian company said recell sucks and it's rubbish .then I asked them to explain the procedure lol there procedure is also recell.but they say it's rubbish and dosent work but they want to take my 2000 pounds.I really don't know what to do I'm suicidal now pretty much tbh
Burn is 15 months old now still looks bright pink same as always 🙁
The recell Dr's say if I pay them 6000 pounds I will be 50 to 80 percentcured lol or maybe even more than that.I call bullshit were is the evidence this works on hypopigmentation burn scars.if I pay 6000 or even 2000 with the other Indian guys that say recell is shit.when I get zero results do they give my money back.if they don't they are blatantly scammers or legal criminals aka frawdstersusing a legal loop hole.snake oil that's what recell is.I will always say it's snake oil until someone proves otherwise.and I can't see that happening.every single peron on the internet that has had recell are members here.none of them had good results.yes they may be happy but the results were zero to none imo
I really hope you will accully get some good results plese keep me updated.good luck
Bro, there are people who've gotten legitimate improvements with ablative methods combined with recell. GBL (the woman with the scar on her forehead) improved the surface texture of her scar from shiny flat to not shiny almost normal looking skin. Borec, another user who underwent recell treatment, got improvement one his scars but mostly also restored his normal skin texture. His shiny texture he got from ablative laser went away, he said. I don't know how you can say people got no improvement whatsoever. I actually do believe that your damage can be resolved with recell. You seem to have similiar problems with shiny skin due to your (partial thickness?) burn. I don't know if it will get all your pigment back (that didn't really work for me so far, either) but your shiny texture can surely be improved. If you have a better texture, you can go for medical tattooing to blend it in with your skin as well as possible. Don't give up.
I did not see any results in the members here.recell is supposed to reverse pink skin or hypopigmentation from burns.there is no evidenceor proof this works.the people on here have had zero results they sucked complete waste of 6000 pounds. I'm sorry but if they are happy with spending 6 grand for no results then good for them I'm glad they are happy with there mediocre results. But imo it's a scam until I see a burn scar return to its normal colour using recell.I don't give a shit about shiny texture lol plus it's not shiny really just red,that's nothing i just want the colour back
No you can't tattoo the forhead because when I tan it will look stupid af plus a tattoo will not look natural.I will take back everything I say when someone has a minor burn mark 2nd degree like mine that is fixed using demabrasion and recell like it's designed for with real results.until then rawlings and kahn are theivs taking advantage of us.zero legitimate results across the entire internet for recell .zero reviews on the entire internet I won't include the 4 reviews on here as they did not get results.plus they are using recell for spots or acne recell is not for that.it's for burn hypopigmentation end of.I hope you read this entire thread it will give you an idea of how these 2 Drs work
Oh and check this out.this place in London does recell for 4 times cheaper than rawlings and khan
But they say recell is bullshit and don't work.
http://www.vitiligotreatments.co.uk/melanocyte-transplantation/
And no its not just for vitiligo it's for burn scars aswell it says.there doing recell but don't even know they are doing it lol.I phoned them and said your decription is the same as the recell procedure for burn scars.they said no its better lol criminals. Then I asked them to explain the procedure it's identical to the recell procedure dr rawlings and dr khan do.then I asked this clinic what they thought of recell.they said it's rubbish and won't work .yet they are also doing recell and wanted 2000 pounds from me.it a scam show me pic evidence or review evidence they said they can't. Same as rawlings and kahn.I asked to see some patients in the flesh.no I was told.this is because nobody has any results.until someone has any results this is bullshit. Just like hairloss products .now if they said if you don't get any results we will refund you or partially refund you but they don't. You just lose 6000 pounds
May aswell burn 6000 pounds imo.but I'm will change my opinions if we ever see any results for burn hypopigmentation using recell or melanocyte-transplantation aka recell from clueless Dr's that say recell sucks
As much as I belive recell is a scam no result, pics or reviews crazy price etc etc I just came into a bit of money and I'm thinking about risking it.I may say to the dr about partial refund if I get no results like everyone else had on here
If i do this it won't be for a good while in the summer.I'm so desperate I think I'm willing to try anything even this worlds most expensivesnake oil
7 hours ago, Aesthetic beast said:As much as I belive recell is a scam no result, pics or reviews crazy price etc etc I just came into a bit of money and I'm thinking about risking it.I may say to the dr about partial refund if I get no results like everyone else had on here
If i do this it won't be for a good while in the summer.I'm so desperate I think I'm willing to try anything even this worlds most expensivesnake oil
You've been a huge critic of Recell and clearly know it's a scam with very little results. If you have enough money to afford the procedure you might as well fly down to Australia and meet with David Lim.
8 hours ago, Aesthetic beast said:As much as I belive recell is a scam no result, pics or reviews crazy price etc etc I just came into a bit of money and I'm thinking about risking it.I may say to the dr about partial refund if I get no results like everyone else had on here
If i do this it won't be for a good while in the summer.I'm so desperate I think I'm willing to try anything even this worlds most expensivesnake oil
i agree with aesthetic beast i have been keeping a key eye on recell in my experience dr rawlins is not a credible docter and is a scammer someone that has no idea about how much the procedure costs and gives you a quote above what the actual clinic will. Doesn't have any before and afters so that should give you a idea and i quote from Dr Rawlins how reveloutinary and exciting recell is for acne scars and skin pigmentation. I mean come on you have been doing this for years and not 1 before and after. In my opinon aesthetic beast go with the indian clinic alot cheaper and i agree better in terms of price and results. I have had i think i have already told you a consultation with both individuals and would choose the dr mulaker showed some impressive before and afters and answered alot of questions clearly im sure if there is anything that can help you its him. Good Luck
I don't want to defend Recell for the sake of defending it and also because I literally couldn't care less about how certain doctors are seen in this forum. But seriously, how can you say there are no results? Check out GBLs thread, check out Borecs thread. GBL improved her scar texture very much and Borecs acne scars got a lot better (even if his main goals were to achieve better pigmentation which he says he got but that can't be seen that well from his pictures, that's true) and he said his laser induced hypopigmented skin wasn't shiny anymore (exactly what I'm fighting). Recell isn't a cure by any means but for scar textures and surface problems it really is not half bad. My scars were never better and the shiny skin improves week by week. I know it's very expensive and not the right answer for deeper (acne) scars but you just can't deny that it helped people that have the problems I have (shiny, waxy, scarry skin from dermabrasion and/or laser). There is no denying that.
It also makes ablative treatments more safe, meaning you can go deeper because the skin heals faster. It's not worth the price for every scar or condition but for me it is hope and it is helping.