What needle length are you using? I was told not to use Vit C after needling because it can cause burns. It's good stuff, don't get me wrong, but not until the micro wounds close up. Hyaluronic acid is a great post roll treatment.

What needle length are you using? I was told not to use Vit C after needling because it can cause burns. It's good stuff, don't get me wrong, but not until the micro wounds close up. Hyaluronic acid is a great post roll treatment.

1.5mm is the stamp length I believe. I actually had stamped and applied this stuff before and it didn't sting. This stuff is supposed to be very gentle, the form of vitamin c in particular is supposed to be gentle and it seems to be. I've never heard of hyaluronic acid. Please inform me on what it does/where to buy/when and how to apply it. Thanks!

HA serum is gentle and nourishing to the skin. It helps your skin cells absorb and retain moisture. I use it after I home roll (with a .2mm) and my medical esthetician uses it after my pro rolls (with 1.5mm) too. I get mine from the esthetician. It's not cheap though

I have no idea about the silicon strip. But the GOW vitamin serum is NOT suitable because it contains vitamin e which PREVENTS scars from healing.

Instead, what I highly recommend is that you use beta glucan liquid from GOW in tandem with retin a low/ med strength. This will help your scarring.

Other options are a few drops of copper peptides (alone) & hyaluronic acid.

For collagen renewal, the best product is vitamin c serum (make your own using the vitamin c powder from owndoc.com). However, I prefer fresh lemon juice used topically (NB only suitable for short needle dermarolling sessions i.e. 0.25mm size).

Hope this info helps!

Cheers

PS Some helpful links:

1. How to heal scars naturally by dermatologist http://media.wix.com/ugd/8994f2_caea742c8f7794361bd8d611bb09f0ce.pdf
2. Beta glucan info http://www.beta13dglucan.org/betaglucantestimonials.html & http://www.brennenmed.com/obg.html & http://www.news-medical.net/news/20110908/Beta-glucans-can-help-wounds-to-heal-quickly.aspx
3. Beta Glucan + retin a http://www.tldp.com/issue/184/Yeast%20Derived%20Beta.htm
4. Beta Glucan info & study overview http://www.naturestreasures.com.au/Beta-1-2-d-glucan.html

PPS I just noticed you use a VERY long needle length!!! I think this is for professional use only.

So, whatever you use, choose only professional/ medical grade/ high grade post rolling serums. I think maybe this brand would be good...but please contact them & ask them if it's indeed suitable for post dermarolling application http://www.brennenmed.com/obg.html . Just DO NOT USE ANYTHING THAT ISN'T STERILE OR IS NOT MEDICALLY ADVISED FOR USE FOR POST SKIN DERMAROLLING. You can also send a question to owndoc.com or contact another medical practitioner/ reputable dermarolling company for advice.

Also, look into the suctioning/ cupping therapy for additional help if required. Cheers!

I have no idea about the silicon strip. But the GOW vitamin serum is NOT suitable because it contains vitamin e which PREVENTS scars from healing.

Instead, what I highly recommend is that you use beta glucan liquid from GOW in tandem with retin a low/ med strength. This will help your scarring.

Other options are a few drops of copper peptides (alone) & hyaluronic acid.

For collagen renewal, the best product is vitamin c serum (make your own using the vitamin c powder from owndoc.com). However, I prefer fresh lemon juice used topically (NB only suitable for short needle dermarolling sessions i.e. 0.25mm size).

Hope this info helps!

Cheers

PS Some helpful links:

1. How to heal scars naturally by dermatologist http://media.wix.com/ugd/8994f2_caea742c8f7794361bd8d611bb09f0ce.pdf
2. Beta glucan info http://www.beta13dglucan.org/betaglucantestimonials.html & http://www.brennenmed.com/obg.html & http://www.news-medical.net/news/20110908/Beta-glucans-can-help-wounds-to-heal-quickly.aspx
3. Beta Glucan + retin a http://www.tldp.com/issue/184/Yeast%20Derived%20Beta.htm
4. Beta Glucan info & study overview http://www.naturestreasures.com.au/Beta-1-2-d-glucan.html

 

PPS I just noticed you use a VERY long needle length!!! I think this is for professional use only.

So, whatever you use, choose only professional/ medical grade/ high grade post rolling serums. I think maybe this brand would be good...but please contact them & ask them if it's indeed suitable for post dermarolling application http://www.brennenmed.com/obg.html . Just DO NOT USE ANYTHING THAT ISN'T STERILE OR IS NOT MEDICALLY ADVISED FOR USE FOR POST SKIN DERMAROLLING. You can also send a question to owndoc.com or contact another medical practitioner/ reputable dermarolling company for advice.

Also, look into the suctioning/ cupping therapy for additional help if required. Cheers!

Oh ok then I guess I should stop using the GoW vitamin serum then. I actually bought the single needles from owndoc. I've asked her questions in the past but she ignored me so I gave up trying. The stamp is 1.5mm but I seem to heal well so I don't that's a problem. I was extremely aggresive when I stamped too.

I actually bought the suction thing from owndoc as well. I haven't tried it yet. I'm not exactly sure how to do it. And I'm a bit worried about the bruising and extended downtime that may be associated with it. Do you know anything about that?

Also, before I start trying other stuff to apply post-needle/stamp...how necessary do you think all that stuff really is? Like would I be able to improve my scars without applying that stuff after needling? I'm just worried that I'll put this stuff on, like vitamin c, and it will seriously irritate my sensitive skin.

I haven't tried the suctioning device. But people have reported great success with it. I think Mr Matt has used it. Please contact him or read his posts for guidelines.

Also, IMHO, I think it is vitally important to use a serum after rolling/ stamping. I would recommend one with beta glucan that is sterile/ medical grade. Plastic surgeons use it post dermabrasions and other procedures. This will help with collagen production, scar healing & wound repair.

Then, a day after skin rolling, you should consider using retin a, then, apply a coat of beta glucan liquid 15 minutes after - over the retin a. Use this combination regularly.

Btw, Beta glucan is not an irritant, it's soothing.

NB On the weeks you don't roll, you can use the vitamin c serum etc, Hyaluronic acid etc. It's good to alternate between products. And don't go overboard using just one scar healing modality or serum etc. A multi-pronged approach is best. And leave ample time between treatments for your skin heal naturally.

Cheers

I haven't tried the suctioning device. But people have reported great success with it. I think Mr Matt has used it. Please contact him or read his posts for guidelines.

Also, IMHO, I think it is vitally important to use a serum after rolling/ stamping. I would recommend one with beta glucan that is sterile/ medical grade. Plastic surgeons use it post dermabrasions and other procedures. This will help with collagen production, scar healing & wound repair.

Then, a day after skin rolling, you should consider using retin a, then, apply a coat of beta glucan liquid 15 minutes after - over the retin a. Use this combination regularly.

Btw, Beta glucan is not an irritant, it's soothing.

NB On the weeks you don't roll, you can use the vitamin c serum etc, Hyaluronic acid etc. It's good to alternate between products. And don't go overboard using just one scar healing modality or serum etc. A multi-pronged approach is best. And leave ample time between treatments for your skin heal naturally.

Cheers

Ok so I guess I would apply this beta glucan stuff right after I stamp and then every night before I go to bed or something? And it wouldn't bother my skin or anything? And it would be ok to sleep with it on my face?

As for the retin a, that's basically tretinoin/tazorac right? I was prescribed that for stretch marks and that stuff made me red as hell. I'm just worried about stuff that will irritate my skin since I'll be heading back to college the beginning of september.

also could you point me in the direction of the exact beta glucan product i should buy?

You could ask GOW if their beta glucan liquid is suitable. I personally use the New Directions brand. But it has preservatives in it & I don't know if it would be suitable for post rolling using a 1.5mm roller. But you could ask them that question. Otherwise, here's a medical brand beta glucan product http://www.brennenmed.com/obg.html . I'm sure there are other medical brands. Just research.

Another possibility is the brand recommended by the plastic surgeons/ dermatologists in this post http://media.wix.com...611bb09f0ce.pdf . But you''ll need to contact the company and ask if it's suitable post 1.5mm derma rolling. (It also contains other ingredients besides the beta glucan).

There's also DermeffaceFx7 http://dermeffacefx7.com/. I haven't tried it. But the ingredients look quite good. Maybe you can ask them if you can use it post rolling. (But it also contains other ingredients).

Lastly, you could see a dermatologist and ask them to recommend a brand to you.

Hope this helps

see a lot of people saying beta glucan is an anti-inflammatory. aren't you supposed to avoid anti-inflammatory stuff after stamping/needling/rolling?

also i would still love some input on whether or not i should put silicone scar sheets on the areas that i just needled/stamped right afterwards and the days after