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Post Accutane/Minocycline Facial Flushing

 
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(@lamarr1986)

Posted : 07/30/2008 9:16 am

Really depends what i'm doing, but i can flush all day or not atall depending on what i'm doing, they are starting to take hours to resolve afterwards.

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(@happiness)

Posted : 08/02/2008 9:05 pm

i almost flush 24 hours a day.... i dont know if i look like when i was sleeping, but when i wake up in the morning ... its almost fine for around 10min ... =1 ....

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Posted : 08/11/2008 6:47 pm

Happiness,

 

Were you on accutane?

 

Soul,

 

I guess I am probably flushing a similar amount of times as you. It all depends on the weather and the positions I am in if I have a good or bad day. Hard to tell sometimes with the permanent redness too...

 

 

I still have noticeably dry skin like 13 months post accutane. I am wondering if you guys all still have dryness or if yours went away?

 

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Posted : 08/11/2008 10:39 pm

Happiness,

 

Were you on accutane?

 

Soul,

 

I guess I am probably flushing a similar amount of times as you. It all depends on the weather and the positions I am in if I have a good or bad day. Hard to tell sometimes with the permanent redness too...

 

 

I still have noticeably dry skin like 13 months post accutane. I am wondering if you guys all still have dryness or if yours went away?

 

im Off accutane for a little bit more than 3 years now.

i believe my face flushing is sumhow not related to accutane..

 

i still get super dry skin .. i have just started using Pure shea butter as a moistizer which alot of rosacea victim say its good..

 

 

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(@hoofy)

Posted : 08/12/2008 10:25 am

my flushing has gone down tons...whenever I start flushing now i just make a really cold glass of water and dump it onto my cheeks and it usually gets rid of my flush

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Posted : 08/13/2008 12:55 pm

Happiness,

 

May I ask why you think it is not related? Have you always had a flushing problem or when did it begin? Did you get any of the temporary redness on your cheeks that accutane can leave you with?

 

Hoofy,

 

How long post tane are you now?

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Posted : 08/13/2008 4:15 pm

Yeah - I am still dry. I get really dry when I get stressed out, my lips and skin on my body then it gets better when I am less stressed.

 

I am 5 months post Accutane, so hoping I get some moisture back over the next 6 months or so.

 

I upped my flax oil to 3 tbspns per day instead of 2.

 

Anyone here take vitamins to help with the flushing?

 

I have read a lot of info on vitamin E and Vitamin B6 for flushing and/or hot flashes.

 

I'm giving the vitamin B6 a shot 250mg (one caplsule) daily.

 

 

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(@lamarr1986)

Posted : 08/15/2008 7:33 am

Soul i recommend you drop the flaxseed buddy.

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(@hoofy)

Posted : 08/15/2008 3:33 pm

i'm about a year post tane

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Posted : 08/18/2008 1:05 am

Hoofy,

 

That's awesome man. I am happy for you and hope that I can be as fortunate. Do you still have dry skin from the accutane? When you say it has gotten tons better can you explain that more, for example, how often did you used to flush and how often do you flush now? Thank-you for answering my questions...

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Posted : 08/18/2008 6:57 pm

Soul i recommend you drop the flaxseed buddy.

 

Hey, wondering how come? It's actually an Omega 3-6-9 oil. I have read that it helps with dry skin and can also help with flushing/hot flashes...?

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(@lamarr1986)

Posted : 08/18/2008 8:04 pm

Alot of us post accutaners have issues with omega 3, not so much 6 and i'm not sure about 9. The thing is it actually made my flushing worse and alot of people believe it can kick start other issues.

 

Flaxseed works amazingly for my eyes but i don't take it because it makes my flushing worse!!

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(@soul78)

Posted : 08/18/2008 11:42 pm

Alot of us post accutaners have issues with omega 3, not so much 6 and i'm not sure about 9. The thing is it actually made my flushing worse and alot of people believe it can kick start other issues.

 

Flaxseed works amazingly for my eyes but i don't take it because it makes my flushing worse!!

 

Hmmm...interesting. I have been using it all along, while on Accutane and since I have been off. I have been taking it daily for years. Not sure if it is making things worse for me....nonetheless, thanks for the info.

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Posted : 08/19/2008 4:59 am

Happiness,

 

May I ask why you think it is not related? Have you always had a flushing problem or when did it begin? Did you get any of the temporary redness on your cheeks that accutane can leave you with?

 

Hoofy,

 

How long post tane are you now?

 

Sorry for the late reply... didnt check this topic much. .. xd

 

ya... because my facial redness actually started 1.5 years after i finish Accutane.

 

And i just done a REVS Test at my GP, and i got a Very High Positive allergy to Dust/Mites, and the GP say there is not much i can do about it.. =/ Dust.. .. Mites ... EVerYwhere.!!

 

My Flush may have triggered by my Dust/Mite Allergy.. but i think that is not the only thing im allergic to. Im going to do more patch testing next..

 

Let u guys know how i go...=]

 

N about Shea Butter as a moistuizer, IT Really help Dry flaking Skin, gives u a nice complexion too.

I only hve been using it for a few days... hoping it may help flushing too..

 

 

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Posted : 08/19/2008 11:46 am

Side effects kicking in month/years after accutane is actually pretty common, especially if there is no genetic links to the disease your are having issues with. I presume you have tried anti histamines happiness?

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Posted : 08/20/2008 2:00 am

Side effects kicking in month/years after accutane is actually pretty common, especially if there is no genetic links to the disease your are having issues with. I presume you have tried anti histamines happiness?

 

Wel... during my the course of accutane and even 1.5 yr after, my skin is just a little bit dry and very sensitive at all, my face was actually pale.

As u said it may have in-directly Cause by accutane.

 

Haven't tried anti - Histamine,

 

Do u recommend i tried it for Dust&Mite Allergy?

 

Thanks Lammarr =]

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Posted : 08/20/2008 12:05 pm

Accutane is a very strange drug. The problems can occur many years after you finished your course.

 

Anyway, the anti histamine can help greatly with your allergies, but not only that. If your rosacea is related to them, which is a definate possiblity as histamine releases nitric oxide, which causes vessels to dialate, giving you the redness.

 

If you have allergies this will be made even worse!!

 

Try one of the non sedating 24 hour ones. If they don't work you can ask for xzyal, which is a newer version of zertyc.

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Posted : 08/20/2008 6:16 pm

How does Accutane cause side effects years after when the drug is out of your system in a month after you finish? I mean, I can understand flushing and things that start while the drug is in you system but once the drug is out and you are fine for a few years, how does it cause things? And how do you know that you would not have those ailments regardless? Just curious...?

 

My prescribing derm never mentioned anything about this which I why I am wondering.

 

 

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Posted : 08/20/2008 6:38 pm

Soul to be honest with you i can't answer you accurately. I can say this though. It has been proven some of accutane metabolites stay in the body for 6 months. Along with this it is also known vitamin A the fat soluble kind stays in adipose tissues for a few years atleast. Adding onto this alot of people suspect accutane and it's metabolites are stored for a long time in certain tissues aswell.

 

Now having said that even if the drug has left the body, the alterations it may of left may not arise until certain conditions are met. E.g. an extremely stressfull situation to trigger the underlying auto immunity.

 

I hope this kind of explains things.

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Posted : 08/20/2008 8:47 pm

Soul to be honest with you i can't answer you accurately. I can say this though. It has been proven some of accutane metabolites stay in the body for 6 months. Along with this it is also known vitamin A the fat soluble kind stays in adipose tissues for a few years atleast. Adding onto this alot of people suspect accutane and it's metabolites are stored for a long time in certain tissues aswell.

 

Now having said that even if the drug has left the body, the alterations it may of left may not arise until certain conditions are met. E.g. an extremely stressfull situation to trigger the underlying auto immunity.

 

I hope this kind of explains things.

 

Right, I see where it is coming from...thanks

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Posted : 08/27/2008 1:18 pm

Am I the only one that has muscle pain from accutane? My back is really fucked up as it always hurts. If I lift weights or play sports, what not, I get much more soreness than I used to and it lasts for weeks. It seems that instead of my muscles being sore they hurt. I don't know how better to describe it. Lamarr, I know that you had some mild joint pain, but I think mine is different since yours goes away with weightlifting and mine gets worse with weightlifting. Just curious to see if I am the only one.

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Posted : 08/27/2008 9:24 pm

I don't really. I had stiffness in my back for the first few months but that seems to be better now. I walk daily for about an hour or so, usually in the evenings. I also do some light resistant training usually 3 or 4 times per week. I do have some soreness in my legs but I think it is more tendon related then joint, it is top of my legs or groin area that gets stiff or sore but I don't think this is s joint issue.

 

On another note, I started taking Zinc Gluconate and Vitamin B6. It seems the flushing has gotten worse these last few days, I am wondering if it is the Zinc? Anyone know or have experience or read anything about Zinc making flushing worse? I think I might drop it and see what happens...

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Posted : 08/28/2008 8:08 pm

SO I have been doing some reading up...and came across this from a book by Dr. Nase.

 

Chapter 7 in Beating Rosacea talks about a recipe for rosacea.

Geoffrey's main points were ;

 

Sufferers report years of mild facial flushing to heat, warm

environments, stress, and/or exercise (pre-rosacea) then

 

- irritating facial skin care products such as anti-acne medications,

anti-aging products, or harsh cleansers

- by periods of sun exposure

- by use of topical steroids

- by physical insults to the facial skin

 

As Rosacea progresses, triggers pile on. For those with frequent

facial flushing and blood vessels unable to handle it, will develop

rosacea. Without both the predisposition and the stimulus, though,

rosacea development is not likely.

 

Thought it was interesting because I did not have any mild facial flushing prior to Accutane nor did I have years of any symptoms, perhaps at times, my nose would get a little red and my face did get somewhat blotchy but that was more stress related. Definitely no flushes prior to this. So I am hoping that perhaps I do not have the predisposition but I suppose the stimulus was Accutane to this flushing problem.

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Posted : 08/29/2008 12:38 am

Not that i agree with everything nase says, but yeah in this case he is spot on. I have always gone very red from working out or exertion, i have always been the first person to sweat when on a night out and i have always had a bit of social blushing.

 

None of it bothered me though because my face always returned to normal very quickly...

 

I also want to add no one in my close or distant family has rosacea.

 

About the joint pain. I am actually becoming quite concerned at the moment because i was pretty sure my joints wouldn't get worse as i am like 18 months post accutane now. However my left elbow and right knee are starting to hurt and all my joints are cracking non stop....not good.

 

I will see what dr chu has to say on the matter.... i see him in about 3 weeks time.

 

The last week or so i have had some relief from my rosacea and i think i have finally found a good combo of drugs. I think anyone in here with some serious tane side effects, don't try and wait around for things to resolve naturally because i hate to break it to you but if you are much over a year to 18 months post, chances are the sides aren't going any time soon...

 

Although one should always remain optimistic... i really will be upset if i have to give up my weightlifting, i really enjoy it...

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Posted : 08/29/2008 12:51 am

Just a few more points i quickly thought of.... I believe this tane induced 'rosacea' is due to a hypersensitivty reaction we had whilst on the drug. Now for me i actually even have quite alot of redness which has developed on my upper arms. I think even if you never flushed before accutane you can end up with rosacea, but it is much less likely.

 

I speak to one guy from Canada and he took the drug about 8 years ago. He doesn't have any flushing but has other classic sides such as diffuse hairloss and gastrointenstinal issues. He mentioned to me that he had redness across his cheeks and nose but has never had any flushing. From a picture he showed me it definenetly looks like rosacea. So to me it is clear he still has an underlying inflammatory response going on within the cappilaries.

 

95% of tanes side effect are related to the innate and secondary immune system in my honest opinion and we just have to slug it out as best as we can till better treatment options come along.

 

I am hoping coll 118/ san rosa will be the answer for this particular issue.

 

As for people with joint issues, you really need to try and do resistance training. The people i have spoken to have said it is one of the few things that really helps...

 

"Contrary to popular belief, exercising the joints is good for people with all kinds of arthritis, and does not exacerbate the disease or put undue pressure on the joints. And Dr Lemmey believes that the resistance training will also give people a big psychological boost."

 

There are plenty of studies to support this aswell.

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