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Is Acne An Auto Immune Disease?

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(@foreverbold)

Posted : 03/27/2013 8:58 pm

I'm talking about longstanding inflammatory acne that doesn't go away after puberty and gets carried into adulthood. Would you consider it an autoimmune skin condition like Eczema or a hormonal disease?

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(@quetzlcoatl)

Posted : 03/28/2013 12:12 am

hmm yeah it sure could be. I mean, it's mediated by the immune system. And known autoimmunes can have skin rashes as a symptom

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(@whoartthou1)

Posted : 03/28/2013 1:03 am

if it indeed is an auto immune disease, how would one go about curing it??

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(@foreverbold)

Posted : 03/28/2013 2:21 am

if it indeed is an auto immune disease, how would one go about curing it??

Most autoimmune disease have no cure. There are drugs like prednisone to put them in remission and lessen inflammation.

I have heard of doctors giving some people with extremely severe cystic acne prednisone to bring down inflammation, there's even threads here on acne.org talking about this.

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(@whoartthou1)

Posted : 03/28/2013 2:41 am

what about accutane??

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(@alternativista)

Posted : 03/28/2013 8:12 am

It is inflammation related.

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(@quetzlcoatl)

Posted : 03/29/2013 12:35 am

Hm you could try taking colostrum to modulate the immune system. You would probably breakout initially because of the IGF but after maybe 2-3 weeks you might start to improve. Colostrum has a lot of IgG antibodies and so-called transfer factors (and a bunch of other useful stuff). It could be a stretch, but you might be able to retrain your immune system to a degree. The reason it takes 2-3 weeks is because that's how long it takes for immunity to build (basically you need to wait for your lymphocytes to respond and proliferate)

Out of curiosity, did you get breast milk or formula, and if the former, how long? You don't have to answer that if it's too personal

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Posted : 03/29/2013 1:26 am

Hm you could try taking colostrum to modulate the immune system. You would probably breakout initially because of the IGF but after maybe 2-3 weeks you might start to improve. Colostrum has a lot of IgG antibodies and so-called transfer factors (and a bunch of other useful stuff). It could be a stretch, but you might be able to retrain your immune system to a degree. The reason it takes 2-3 weeks is because that's how long it takes for immunity to build (basically you need to wait for your lymphocytes to respond and proliferate)

Out of curiosity, did you get breast milk or formula, and if the former, how long? You don't have to answer that if it's too personal

I was given formula as a baby, not breast milk (my mother couldn't breast feed due to the medication she had to take at the time).

Besides acne I've also had problems with keratosis pilaris (though it's really mild now) and Psoriasis on my scalp and neck that comes and goes. And I have had two severe outbreaks of a skin condition called Pityriasis lichenoides (once when I was fifteen on my stomach and legs and then at 19 all over my body (mostly the trunk and arms).

Though I hardly ever get sick with a cold or Flu so my immune system isn't "boken" entirely either.

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Posted : 03/29/2013 3:15 am

Hm you could try taking colostrum to modulate the immune system. You would probably breakout initially because of the IGF but after maybe 2-3 weeks you might start to improve. Colostrum has a lot of IgG antibodies and so-called transfer factors (and a bunch of other useful stuff). It could be a stretch, but you might be able to retrain your immune system to a degree. The reason it takes 2-3 weeks is because that's how long it takes for immunity to build (basically you need to wait for your lymphocytes to respond and proliferate)

Out of curiosity, did you get breast milk or formula, and if the former, how long? You don't have to answer that if it's too personal

I was given formula as a baby, not breast milk (my mother couldn't breast feed due to the medication she had to take at the time).

Besides acne I've also had problems with keratosis pilaris (though it's really mild now) and Psoriasis on my scalp and neck that comes and goes. And I have had two severe outbreaks of a skin condition called Pityriasis lichenoides (once when I was fifteen on my stomach and legs and then at 19 all over my body (mostly the trunk and arms).

Though I hardly ever get sick with a cold or Flu so my immune system isn't "boken" entirely either.

It is funny you say the "sick/cold" thing because I rarely get sick, yet I struggle with skin problems (acne all over body, seborrheic dermatitis all over face and body).

I was breast-fed for like 3 months and formula fed the rest. I believe the key is that we were formula fed. It screwed us up for life.

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(@quetzlcoatl)

Posted : 03/29/2013 9:43 am

So breast milk/colostrum has tons of immune-related functions. Not getting it like whoartthou said could really be key. My mother was not breast fed, and all 3 of her children suffered from acne, even though she did breast-feed all of us (although, there is an n=3 correlation between length of breast feeding and acne severity)

Unfortunately, not getting sick could be a sign of an incomplete immune system. I'm not talking about immunocompromised, where you simply lack the right cells, but about a misguided response to antigen. Psoriasis, for example, is basically an autoimmune disease. The immune system is there to make you sick, so you are aware that something in your body is wrong, and you can give it time to recover. If it does not make you sick while there is something wrong, it is not combating the problem, probably because it doesn't recognize the problem to be a problem. Instead, it might recognize something else to be a problem for no reason, and then give you psoriasis, while letting the real problem continue. Sometimes there doesn't even have to be a real problem, and your immune system will just do whatever the hell it wants

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(@dejaclairevoyant)

Posted : 03/29/2013 11:12 am

I was breast fed and have one of the most difficult to cure cases ever. So I really do not think it's that.

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(@quetzlcoatl)

Posted : 03/30/2013 1:37 am

Different things, different people. If one ancestor wasn't breast fed, it could have epigenetic and antibody effects for a few generations. But when we start to rule things out like diet and hormones, its good to look at the basics

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