i read something you wrote on here about polyunsaturated fat should be avoided because it breaks down into trans fat. Were you referring to in the body or in cooking processes?

Cooking.

Interesting stuff, and it does make me wonder about the acne-diet connection.

What is there to wonder about? The SAD diet is bad and affects development of all kinds of health conditions. Including acne.

i read something you wrote on here about polyunsaturated fat should be avoided because it breaks down into trans fat. Were you referring to in the body or in cooking processes?

 

Cooking.

 

Interesting stuff, and it does make me wonder about the acne-diet connection.

 

What is there to wonder about? The SAD diet is bad and affects development of all kinds of health conditions. Including acne.

 

It makes me wonder because the jury is still out for me on the whole acne/diet issue as to its EXTENT, not if they are related which they clearly are. If what the previous poster has said is true and bearing in my own observations when i meet or see easten people with skin conditions, then it raises the question for me over what is the biggest 'cause' of acne for people who come over to the west. Both cultures enjoy grains, soy, sugary drinks etc etc.

It makes me wonder because the jury is still out for me on the whole acne/diet issue as to its EXTENT, not if they are related which they clearly are. If what the previous poster has said is true and bearing in my own observations when i meet or see easten people with skin conditions, then it raises the question for me over what is the biggest 'cause' of acne for people who come over to the west. Both cultures enjoy grains, soy, sugary drinks etc etc.

differences are excess, type of grains, how soy is prepared, nutrients or lack thereof, physical activity, sleep, etc.

I would say the important differences are cooking methods and lack of bread, pasta and sugar consumption.

I.e. there diet consists of vegetables, rice and meat cooked either in boiled water or stir fried.

Back to the Rhinitus/hypereratinization connection:

I found this on http://www.medicinenet.com/keratosis_pilaris/page2.htm . KP = keratosis pilaris.

About 50%-70% of patients with KP have a known genetic predisposition and a high rate of affected family members. Many individuals have a strong family history of KP or "chicken skin." The underlying cause may partly be related to hypersensitivity reactions and overall dryness of the skin. KP is also closely related to ichthyosis vulgaris, dry skin, allergies, seasonal allergies, rhinitis, asthma, eczema, and atopic dermatitis.

i was searching for info/support on the rhinitis connection...

On Mayoclinic.com under non-allergic rhinitis I found this stated as a cause:

Hormone changes. Changes in hormones due to pregnancy, menstruation, oral contraceptive use or a hormonal condition such as hypothyroidism can cause nonallergic rhinitis.

So is it yet another symptom of hypothyroid? NSAIDs like aspirin are not good for it, btw.

Why has this not been pinned already?

For those looking for the Best of Sweetjade, they are here in this thread and in the 'Tangled Web' thread I made before this. It's the first link in the first page of this thread. That 2005 thread recently bumped isn't one of Sweetjade's best. Lots more was learned since then.

Why has this not been pinned already?

I don't know. But I don't think anyone ever reads the pinned threads, anyway.

I added a link under the Nutrition section to a source of info on naturally occurring compounds as well as food additives that many people are intolerant of.

Also, under Hyperkeratinization, I've added a link to some info on a gene that has been identified as being involved in hyperkeratinization.

So they've found that flavanoids in cacao protect skin from UV damage from the sun:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19735513

As does, lycopene, green tea, proanthocynids in red-purple fruits and veggies as well as in teas and cacao. And of course, all kinds antioxidants counter the damage like vitamin C. I guess this info should go under anti-aging?

Eat these things so you can get out into the sun without sunscreen that has harmful chemicals and blocks your ability to make vitamin D. And morning sun doesn't cut it, btw.

Epigenetics thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Epigenetics-t297768.html How what we do alters our genes that can be passed down to kids. And we can (and obviously do by the diabetes epidemic) change our genetic tendency towards insulin resistance which can be a factor in acne. Especially teenage acne.

'Recent' advances in the pathogenesis of acne. Includes a report with that title from the 'Global Alliance to Improve Outcomes in Acne'

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Recent-Ad...-P-t298075.html

Good things for Fructose/Carb malabsorption for people who find they break out from fruit.

Thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Improving...bo-t299249.html

As natural as possible Circadian Cycle

Habits:

Make Melatoninwith the consumption of nutrients needed to make seratonin early in the day, then plenty of bright light during the day, limiting artificial (esp blue spectum) light in evening and no light during sleep to stimulate the conversion of seratonin to melatonin. And sleep should be at a regular time that include the hours between 11pm to 5 am.

Study: Effects of dim or bright-light exposure during the daytime on human gastrointestinal activity. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12638695

Nutrients:

Nutrient precursors to seratonin: methionine, folate, B12, B6, TMG (betaine) and zinc, and maybe some calcium and magnesium. And the amino acid tryptophan.

Nutrients/Things that help sleep:

Melatonin (help your body make it), magnesium, Omega 3 EFAs, DHEA (made by the adrenal glands), Camomile Tea, Zinc

Liver Function

Fructose is metabolized by the liver. Nutrients that benefit liver function: Sulfur containing aminos such as Methionine/cysteine and the nutrients the body makes from them: taurine, GLUTATHIONE. Other sulfur phyto(plant)chemicals: indole-3-carbinole (I3C) and sulforaphane. CALCIUM D-GLUCARATE, LIPOIC ACID, QUERCETIN, Molybdenum, Glutamine. Milk Thistle, BETAINE

Basically, eat your greens, brassica veggies, onions, garlic, apples, etc. Animal proteins are also high in sulfur- eggs, chicken, fish, dairy...

Some people don't make as much Taurine as they need and may benefit from supplementing, especially if they break out from fruit/fructose. Or maybe they just need to consume the nutrients needed to produce taurine: methionine and cysteine (from sulfur containing veggies and animal protein) with Vitamin B-6 a key cofactor in this process, as is molybdenum a mineral you only need in trace amounts but is essential in the catabolism of proteins - the breakdown of protein into amino acids to be used to make new proteins which is how the body uses protein.

Also, avoid excessive amounts of fructose and glucose, such as that in added sugars, HFCS in processed foods and drinks and large high fructose fruits. List of fruits and the types/amounts of sugar: Sugars found in various foods. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Other/herr48.pdf Fruits begin on page 7. Table sugar, sucrose, is half fructose. Agave Nectar is almost entirely fructose.

Nutritiondata.com list of foods highest in Fructose: http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000011...0000000000.html

Other organs/factors:

Adrenal Health

Manage Stress - exercise, get/give hugs, sex.

Avoid Progestin - synthetic progesterone in birth control pills.

More on tryptophan:

Serotonin levels can not be increased by diet or supplements of tryptophan alone. For example, increasing foods rich in tryptophan (eg, meats, proteins) does not increase serotonin levels, due to competition with other amino acids.[49] What is required to increase serotonin production is an increase in the ratio of tryptophan to phenylalanine and leucine. Fruits with a good ratio include dates, papaya and banana. Foods with a lower ratio inhibit the production of serotonin. These include whole wheat and rye bread[50]

From wikipedia.

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Taurine and hyperkeratinization: This came from one of the taurine/fructose threads. There was no link to the study it came from.

As odd as it may sound, bile acids, produced by the liver, are involved in the activity of keratinocytes, cells of the living epidermis which produce keratin in the process of differentiating into dead or fully keratinized cells. Researchers have demonstrated that the taurine conjugated bile acid TUDC exerts a growth suppressive effect on keratinocytes, and thus its presence may be of importance in skin conditions (64).

And:

A Sweetjade post listing how she has identified that various foods to which she is intolerant causes acne in specific places. Just like with me and cysts. Supporting my guess that acne that appears within a day or two after eating a food and recurs in the same place, tends to be an allergic reaction. http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php...t&p=2124255

Two sites that look interesting that came up in a search for something.

Enzymestuff - the wonderful world of digestive enzymes. Linking straight to a page on methylation and over- and under-methylators. Something a couple of people here always talked about but I never understood, but apparently one of the things it can affect is your seratonin and melatonin production. also affects histamine levels. http://www.enzymestuff.com/methylation.htm There's other pages devoted to leaky gut, gluten etc.

And tuberose.com a natural healing site and store.

Not vouching for accuracy, I just found them.

Bump.

We have a new doctor admitting the diet acne connection in a Huffington Post article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyma...a_b_822163.html

For more, see the 'Doctor's admitting the diet acne connection' thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Admitting...on-t241013.html

Summary of basic acne diet and lifestyle advice:

Diet, lifestyle habits and fitness level affect everyone's acne and can help everyone's acne. Some people just have to work harder to figure out what they need do.

In general, what you want is a nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing, anti-inflammatory diet that doesn't include anything you have an intolerance for. And you need to sleep well, keep as natural as possible circadian rhythm, manage stress and be physically active.

Keep all meals, drinks and snacks low to moderate glycemic load. It's the impact of the meal that matters, not each and every food. Never drink or snack on sugar without plenty of fiber and fat to lower the glycemic impact.

Eat real, whole nutrient dense food. Limit/avoid sugar, grains-especially gluten grains and refined grain products, hydrogenated/trans fats (margarine, crisco, most fried foods, corn & veggie oil). This means avoiding most commercially prepared foods.

Also limit dairy, especially unfermented and especially from cows. Milk contains hormones meant to make tons of things happen in a rapidly growing infant's body. This causes bad things in our no longer rapidly growing post-adolescent bodies.

The most anti-inflammatory foods are plant foods and fish. Have lots of veggies, fruit, herbs, teas, spices, fish, etc. Try to have only products from pastured animals as much as possible. High omega 3 fish like wild salmon, sardines, herring. Farmed trout is also ok depending on where it's from, but avoid farmed salmon.

The most inflammatory foods/meals are anything that spikes your blood sugar/insulin, anything you have an intolerance for, trans fats and high omega 6 sources like grains, grain oils, and products from grain fed animals.

Follow an elimination diet to determine any intolerances you may have. Either follow a very hypoallergenic diet for a couple months, then methodically add foods back in, or methodically eliminate foods starting with the most commonly problematic ones such as grains, nuts, peanuts, soy, eggs, citrus, shellfish, dairy, etc.

Diet, lifestyle habits and fitness level affect everyone's acne and can help everyone's acne. Some people just have to work harder to figure out what they need do.

In general, what you want is a nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing, anti-inflammatory diet that doesn't include anything you have an intolerance for. And you need to sleep well, keep as natural as possible circadian rhythm, manage stress and be physically active.

Keep all meals, drinks and snacks low to moderate glycemic load. It's the impact of the meal that matters, not each and every food. Never drink or snack on sugar without plenty of fiber and fat to lower the glycemic impact.

Eat real, whole nutrient dense food. Limit/avoid sugar, grains-especially gluten grains and refined grain products, hydrogenated/trans fats (margarine, crisco, most fried foods, corn & veggie oil). This means avoiding most commercially prepared foods.

Also limit dairy, especially unfermented and especially from cows. Milk contains hormones meant to make tons of things happen in a rapidly growing infant's body. This causes bad things in our no longer rapidly growing post-adolescent bodies.

The most anti-inflammatory foods are plant foods and fish. Have lots of veggies, fruit, herbs, teas, spices, fish, etc. Try to have only products from pastured animals as much as possible. High omega 3 fish like wild salmon, sardines, herring. Farmed trout is also ok depending on where it's from, but avoid farmed salmon.

The most inflammatory foods/meals are anything that spikes your blood sugar/insulin, anything you have an intolerance for, trans fats and high omega 6 sources like grains, grain oils, and products from grain fed animals.

Follow an elimination diet to determine any intolerances you may have. Either follow a very hypoallergenic diet for a couple months, then methodically add foods back in, or methodically eliminate foods starting with the most commonly problematic ones such as grains, nuts, peanuts, soy, eggs, citrus, shellfish, dairy, etc. Perfectly healthy foods could be causing your breakouts.

Try completely avoiding gluten grains and dairy for at least a month. And even if you notice no improvement, they should not be a big part of your diet. Dairy always affects acne for a number of reasons and gluten isn't good for anyone, causing serious harm for some people, and is usually part of some high glycemic food anyway.

And then maybe you need to pay extra attention with supplements, foods and habits to address any issue you might have like gut permeability and other digestion issues, poor liver or adrenal function.

Wow no need to talk anymore, just link everyone here haha. Great straight forward post as always.

A bit about vitamin D:

You need several thousand IU per day. Vitamin D is a hormone that affects insulin response, the immune system, calcium metabolism and more. They find more everyday and can attribute the development of many health conditions to a lack of vitamin D. Visit the Vitamin D Council website for more information and for home tests: http://www.vitamindc...bout-vitamin-d/

Getting it from the Sun

Vitamin D is made from UVB rays which get reflected away when the sun hits the earth at an angle such as in the morning, late afternoon, winter, and far from the equator. They are highest in summer and at midday. And they can bounce of snow and water. If your shadow is longer than you are tall, you are not making much vitamin D.

For people who live north of 30 degrees, or south of 30 degrees in the southern hemisphere you won't likely get adequate exposure to UVB unless you live in the mountains.

More sun isn't better

An equilibrium occurs in white skin within 20 min of ultraviolet exposure, at which point further increases in vitamin D is not possible, because the ultraviolet light will actually start to degrade the vitamin D.

It can take 3-6 times longer for darker pigmented skin to reach the equilibrium concentration of skin pre vitamin D. However, skin pigmentation does not affect the amount of vitamin D that can be obtained through sunshine exposure.

The skin on your torso produces the most vitamin D. Exposure of your face and hands to sunlight can only provide 200-400 IU vitamin D during those months when appropriate sunlight is available, but for most this is inadequate exposure to move vitamin levels to what's currently considered to be the healthy range of 45-50 ng/ml. And that might not really be high enough.

Supplement anywhere from 2-5 thousand per day depending on time of year, skin color, latitude, altitude, what you did last summer, etc.

Also, I recently read that skin cancers have been linked to high omega 6 EFAs in your body's lipid profile. It occurs when the rays hit omega 6 fats in/near your skin surface. I haven't looked further into that for more info.

Dr. Mercola sells some UVB only tanning beds/lights: http://tanningbeds.m...DNL_art_1#order

Vitamin D₃ is made in the skin when 7-dehydrocholesterol reacts with ultraviolet light of UVB type at wavelengths between 270 and 300 nm, with peak synthesis occurring between 295 and 297 nm.^[89] These wavelengths are present in sunlight when the UV index is greater than three

 

Vitamin D is produced in the two innermost strata of the epidermis, the stratum basale and stratum spinosum.

 

About 50% of the UVB rays still reach your skin when sitting in the shade of a tree or umbrella. Presumably a tree or umbrella that is otherwise in full sun, i.e. sun hitting all around, because, according to this abstract, ar less UVB hits on a northern facing covered porch or through glass. So you may be able to still get you D while staying out of direct sun. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16005208

Two major meta-analysis from 2009 found that 50 nmol/l of 25(OH)D in your blood isnt enough to protect you from a fracture or a fall. In fact, 28 separate studies found that 50 nmol/l isnt enough! Plus, the International Osteoporosis Foundation recommends men and women have 75 nmol/l of 25(OH)D. This is what it takes to protect you from accidental falls and fractures.

 

Also, there's research that shows that the body makes a water soluble form of vitamin D from sulfated cholesterol and this water soluble form does some things that the fat soluble form can't. And the fat soluble D from supplements cannot become sulfated. You have to make it. More info on this thread about the importance of sufur: http://www.acne.org/...__fromsearch__1

When exposed to sunshine, your skin also synthesizes vitamin D3 sulfate. This form of vitamin D is water soluble, unlike oral vitamin D3 supplements, which is unsulfated. The water-soluble form can travel freely in your bloodstream, whereas the unsulfated form needs LDL (the so-called "bad" cholesterol) as a vehicle of transport. According to Dr. Stephanie Seneff, there's reason to believe that many of the profound benefits of vitamin D are actually due to the vitamin D sulfate. As a result, she suspects that the oral non-sulfated form of vitamin D might not provide all of the same benefits, because it cannot be converted to vitamin D sulfate

From a Mercola.com article. There are many on the subject.

Good things for hormone balance

 

- because Insulin stimulates androgen production

so it can remove excess hormones from circulation

- affects hormone production

- because so much is timed by your sleep and wake cycle as well as natural exposure to bright light and darkness. Hormone production and release, for example. Also for seratonin/Melatonin production.

 

Blood sugar stabilizing, anti-inflammatory nutrient dense diet and lifestyle habits - reduces stimulation of hormone production and increases Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) levels.

 

Avoidance of dairy and high GL meals - to lower IGF-1 levels

 

Nutrients and supplements:

 

for Androgens:

- Inhibiting DHT: DHT is a form of testosterone that binds to receptors in skin to stimulate oil production, hirsutism, male pattern baldness. You inhibit the conversion by inhibiting the 5-alpha reductase enzyme that converts Testosterone to DHT, or by inhibiting DHT from binding to receptors.

One of the ways we are predisposed to acne.

-Avoid dairy, which contains 5alpha-P a precursor to DHT.

-- - inhibits enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT.

- Yeah, as in tomatoes. Click on the link.

--Beta Sitosterol - compound in plant oils, prevalent in Saw Palmetto, Pygeum, Nettle, but also avocados, pumpkin seeds, other high fat plant foods.

-- - specifically good for hirsutism as it affects DHT specifically involved in hair follicles (Type II 5-alpha reductase inhibitor).

--EGCG in green tea - although there may also be components in tea that can stimulate androgens.

-- -Type I & II 5-alpha reductase inhibitor

-- - DHT inhibitor, but also estrogenic

-Melatonin -

-- Extract in supplements, topicals or in tea. Dan's AHA lotion has licorice, as do many Eucerin products. See also .

No Smoking! -

 

 

-Niacinimide? Seen in lists of DHT blockers on hairloss sites, haven't found a better source

-DIM -

 

Estrogen/Progesterone -

PMS issues and irregular cycle may be indicators of estrogen dominance. It's about a possible excess of estrogen relative to a possible deficiency of progesterone. And acne and other symptoms occur with the monthly fluctuation of progesterone. (Excess estrogen blocks testosterone receptors making DHT dominant. Looking for more info) In addition, there are . More studies needed to know what that means.

 

(Note: you can be estrogen dominant and have excess testosterone or DHT at the same time.)

-

- - eat those cruciferous veggies.

--CALCIUM D-GLUCARATE - helps the liver remove excess hormones and toxins from circulation. In apples, sulfur containing veggies like cabbage, broccoli, kale families.

--d-chiro-inositol - in buckwheat

-- - such as evening primrose, borage or black currant oil.

-Vitamin C - boosts production of DHEA, a master hormone that regulates estrogen and progesterone production.

SAMe -

 

Boosting progesterone can help:

- - boosts progesterone production by improving pituitary gland function.

-Progesterone Cream - increases progesterone levels.

- - removes excess estrogens

 

It is better to work on health than to directly try to alter your estrogen, testosterone and progesterone levels with supplements. You can make things worse. It's difficult to know what's really going on with your hormones. Notice how doctors prescribe BCPs by trial and error. However, I think there's less harm in inhibiting DHT conversion, especially in females or topically only in males.

 

For Both Androgens and Estrogens

-Consume vegetables for fiber. Because and eliminated from the body. Otherwise, they go back into circulation.

-Avoidance of chemical xenoestrogens, hormone mimickers and endocrine disruptors - They are everywhere! List of sources and . Avoid eating and drinking from plastics. Get a water filter and drink from glass, ceramic or stainless steel.

-Consuming or avoiding excess amounts of plant foods high in or phyto-estrogens. These can help or hurt men and women.

-Lose excess body fat. Fatty tissues contain enzymes that convert testosterone to estrogen as well as the enzymes that convert testosterone to DHT. And hormones are stored in fat.

- and Both good info, studies...

-Vitex/chasteberry? I've seen a few article say it improves pituitary gland function in which case it should help everyone.

Omega 3 EFAs -

- It's actually a pre-hormone, not a vitamin. See also the

 

Boost SHBG Levels with insulin controlling diets - SHBG binds to hormones rendering them inactive. Low levels associated with acne, hirsutism, hypothyroidism, PCOS, etc. Also, . Estrogen also increases SHBG.

 

Interesting post:

Fiber, Androgens and Acne:

Ok so i joined this forum and have been looking for some possible answers to my problem. I believe i have a form of hormonal acne with diet contributions playing a significant part, as it is predominantly on my chest and jawline slowly spreading upwards to the cheeks but main redness is hiding under the jawline and clutters and clusters together in the vicintiy. Chest acne is pretty bad too but my back and shoulders have improved over previous times.

My story is basically, im on a fructose free diet with no dairy and somewhat lowish carbs at the moment. Since going off dairy my acne improved probably 35-40% on good days i'm almost clear apart from the slight redness on the jawline. Chest mind you remains largely unchanged but can dimmer down a bit. So im reading this information which you have outlined in this thread and seems very useful, in hope that i can apply a few more tweaks to my lifestyle to help achieve another 10-20% improvement in my skin.

I also read the excercise section which is what has me in a bit of a mess. I got back into the gym recently, on my 3rd week and this week i pushed myself a bit more on the weights. Now i have gotten a few pimples here and there, mild but nontheless annoying and unwelcome. But i'm also noticing my existing acne becoming inflammed a bit more aswell which is not good news.

SO im basically tying it in with a hormonal problem and i was wondering if it is possible to still do a weight lifting program and implement some of those hormone balancing suggestions in the post to perhaps minimise the damage?

I also read the excercise section which is what has me in a bit of a mess. I got back into the gym recently, on my 3rd week and this week i pushed myself a bit more on the weights. Now i have gotten a few pimples here and there, mild but nontheless annoying and unwelcome. But i'm also noticing my existing acne becoming inflammed a bit more aswell which is not good news.

 

SO im basically tying it in with a hormonal problem and i was wondering if it is possible to still do a weight lifting program and implement some of those hormone balancing suggestions in the post to perhaps minimise the damage?

Are you wanting to body build? If so, probably not, but someone else needs to advise you on that.

Or are you just doing it for strength and fitness? Did you click on the link to the exercise discussion thread? It's mostly about interval training methods with a lot of links to Mark's Daily Apple blog and free ebooks. Mark Sisson is a trainer and athlete that once did chronic, intensive workouts, but now the same results with interval training involving short bursts of intense activity and lots of regular daily moderate activity. I posted some links to some MDA articles that might be of particular interest.

Also, all of our acne is hormone related except in the case of pores clogged by topicals. And I've found lots of anectotal evidence from members here, me, my siblings, etc that acne that occuring over and over in the same place is often due to a food intolerance. My jawline cystic acne was caused by my intolerance to citrus.

this thread should be stickied

I also read the excercise section which is what has me in a bit of a mess. I got back into the gym recently, on my 3rd week and this week i pushed myself a bit more on the weights. Now i have gotten a few pimples here and there, mild but nontheless annoying and unwelcome. But i'm also noticing my existing acne becoming inflammed a bit more aswell which is not good news.

 

SO im basically tying it in with a hormonal problem and i was wondering if it is possible to still do a weight lifting program and implement some of those hormone balancing suggestions in the post to perhaps minimise the damage?

 

 

Are you wanting to body build? If so, probably not, but someone else needs to advise you on that.

 

Or are you just doing it for strength and fitness? Did you click on the link to the exercise discussion thread? It's mostly about interval training methods with a lot of links to Mark's Daily Apple blog and free ebooks. Mark Sisson is a trainer and athlete that once did chronic, intensive workouts, but now the same results with interval training involving short bursts of intense activity and lots of regular daily moderate activity. I posted some links to some MDA articles that might be of particular interest.

 

Also, all of our acne is hormone related except in the case of pores clogged by topicals. And I've found lots of anectotal evidence from members here, me, my siblings, etc that acne that occuring over and over in the same place is often due to a food intolerance. My jawline cystic acne was caused by my intolerance to citrus.

 

Well yes it is body building but not to the extreme i was on before, i would be doing it more for a lean body rather than mass/bulky so less weight more reps kinda thing. I would settle for strength and fitness routine if it mean at least packing on some muscle and getting a 'lean' look. Are you saying that Mark Sisson basically achieved this and managed to limit his acne or something? I will definitley look into it. I was always under the impression that general consensus was that jawline acne=hormonal. It kinda made sense to me aswell.

Cystic acne is acne which produces those little painful lumps (cysts) on your face im guessing? I used to get those until i stopped dairy and hence the improvement in my face so perhaps that was my biggest contributor. I'm practically on a gluten free diet involuntarily as i was diagnosed with fructose intolerance. I'm not too sure how much that would have played a part but dairy is a definite. Did you do a food intolerance test or something or did you just pin point citrus? Is citrus various fruits btw?

Well yes it is body building but not to the extreme i was on before, i would be doing it more for a lean body rather than mass/bulky so less weight more reps kinda thing. I would settle for strength and fitness routine if it mean at least packing on some muscle and getting a 'lean' look. Are you saying that Mark Sisson basically achieved this and managed to limit his acne or something? I will definitley look into it. I was always under the impression that general consensus was that jawline acne=hormonal. It kinda made sense to me aswell.

 

Cystic acne is acne which produces those little painful lumps (cysts) on your face im guessing? I used to get those until i stopped dairy and hence the improvement in my face so perhaps that was my biggest contributor. I'm practically on a gluten free diet involuntarily as i was diagnosed with fructose intolerance. I'm not too sure how much that would have played a part but dairy is a definite. Did you do a food intolerance test or something or did you just pin point citrus? Is citrus various fruits btw?

No, Mark Sisson hasn't mentioned acne. But he gets the same results fitness-wise without doing the harmful prolonged intense activity that's inflammatory and requires you to consume carbs you don't want to in order to fuel the workouts. And there's at least one article about a compromise in methods for those that do want to bulk up, and one about boosting testosterone which may help you figure out what to avoid.

And yeah, everyone keeps saying that about jawline acne. And 1) almost all acne is hormone related except pores clogged by topicals. And 2) my jawline acne was a food intolerance. And I've seen many stories from people indicating that acne occurring over and over in the same place is often a food intolerance. Not always, though. For example early teen acne tends to be on the forehead. My acne started there, but I rarely get a pimple there.

The big really inflamed ones that take forever to go away may be nodules or cysts. I never felt the need to be technically correct on what I called my pimples. I had all kinds of acne.

I haven't read it thoroughly, but it seems to be pretty useful collection of info on how acne forms, what happens at puberty that tends to trigger acne, nutrients needed for sebum, glycemic impact on hormones, etc.:

ACNE - HOW TO PREVENT AND OVERCOME ACNE FOREVER.

ACNE IS MUCH MORE THAN SKIN DEEP, IT IS THE FIRST SIGN OF

MAJOR HEALTH PROBLEMS TO COME.

THIS REPORT WILL SHOW YOU WHY, AND ALSO HOW TO PREVENT THEM!

http://www.iinr.org/specialreports/ACNE.PDF

However, do not take that title to mean that only we acne prone people have major health problems to come. Everyone is destined for the same major health problems due to poor diet and lifestyle habits. It's just that we acne prone people get an early visible sign of the harm we are doing.

The descriptions of the changes in our diets over the last few thousand and especially the last few hundred years is pretty good. I don't believe the description of the early human diet is correct or that no carbs are essential, but all our Paleo and low/no carb keto dieters won't mind it a bit.

I've just had my first workout in a week, until my inflamed spots calmed down a bit. I kept in mind what i possibly did wrong last time, i.e. pushed too hard and broke new limits. I'm constantly debating what the point is of even going if i can't achieve my desired goals.

So anyway i will keep an eye on it, i did less weights tonight with moderate effort and i did 10min HIT sprinting/jogging at intervals.

Also i just read that article, it basically concludes with use (insert various vitamin) which we are lacking apparantley due to our modern diets and stop simple carbs and you should be set? Why not just try accomodate most of those vitamins in our new diet free of simple carbs and save a lot of money im guessing and more importantly potential health risks by taking so many vitamins?

Also i just read that article, it basically concludes with use (insert various vitamin) which we are lacking apparantley due to our modern diets and stop simple carbs and you should be set? Why not just try accomodate most of those vitamins in our new diet free of simple carbs and save a lot of money im guessing and more importantly potential health risks by taking so many vitamins?

Yes, try to get as much as you can from food. But a lot of nutrients are hard to get. You can try going to nutrition data.com and enter the foods you eat in a day and it will calculate the nutrients for you.

There are a lot of trace minerals that are really hard to get and I recently read a recommendation on getting it from sea salt. The recommendation was for Himalayan salt. I think it was from Dr. Mercola who probably sells the stuff. I'd been meaning to research that. Molybdenum for example is something you need for a lot of things to happen.

Most people need to take a vitamin D supplement. I take Nature's Way alive whole food multi which is meant to be taken 3 times per day, but I take it twice as I don't need that much supplementing. And I take 2,000 IU of D once or twice daily depending on sun, magnesium because it there is never much in a multi and it's hard to get. It also relaxes muscles so helpful for sleep, aches, headaches, etc. so I take one in the evening. And I have 500 mg C capsules that I take at any point in the day if I had eaten any fresh, raw vitamin C sources for 3-4 hours. But I usually have lemon in water so I don't take that often. And some krill oil capsules that I take if I haven't managed to eat any fish in a few days.

I will say that before my diet cleared me, I took zinc, b-complex and C and it made my skin much less oily and I rarely had any inflamed acne on my face.