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They all just put us on drugs or topicals. It's just a big business and I'm sick of it. There IS a cure, and the cure is not profitable, hence it's not as mainstream as people want.I want to do something about this and make my own website or something and pretty much sum up all this, in terms of exactly what to do for external and internal purposes to stop this nonsense for mild to moderate acne sufferers. Because the dan kern regimen itself isn't enough to stop future acne, it just treats existing ones (and not too good 🙁 )
My skin is so non oily right now that I feel like I am on accutane, it's literally weird. I don't even have excess saliva anymore, I keep drinking water, and I already drink 10-16 glasses daily naturally. I don't even have excess oil on my body anymore, it's crystal clean and no oil slicks or anything nasty either, all from a few easy steps 🙂
Hey go for it, the website, more power to the people. The problem is its so hard to find and sort out the good honest acne sites from one that are just disguised to try selling some shit product. I'm curious though on your exact current regime that's working for you if you wish to share!
Do you happen to know anyone who would help out with making a website? I am a graphic designer, although I am not a website designer (I can't code nor host a site etc).
Maybe by making a blog with a link to another forum perhaps?
It won't be filled with any advertises or crap people have to buy that's for sure. Just plain information, free for all.
Actually yes, i know someone who would probably make a website for you, you should Instant message me or give me your email address, and send you my phone number = ]
Ok - so today (day 3) my skin is oilier, but it's a different kind of oiliness. Normally my skin is oily AND dehydrated. If you have ever felt tea tree or lavender oil, that's the way the oil on my face normally feels. Kind of a dry oil, not moisturizing, just shiny :doubt: Today, my skin looks.. plumper? Less dehydrated, oily - but not dry. Additionally - my eyes don't itch (they usually do), and my hands aren't dry and flaky - they usually are. Interesting...
you are dead on target.i think we ate fish alot more then previously thought, we couldnt have relied on spearhunting and bowhunting, that is soooooo hard to do, ask any bowhunter.
and to get close enough to something to spear it???? even harder to do, but how hard is it to catch a fish, or even start your own fish pond, fuckin simple.
all you had to do was get a couple fish to mate with each other and keep em in a pond so they can multiply and guess what you are creating your own food source that you can rely on for the rest of your life. A secure food source.
*nods* 😀 exactly!
xxndnromeoxx & AutonomousOne1980 -
Something off topic - Have you guys read The Clan of the Cave Bear? Fictional, but very well researched, hell of a read. I think you guys would like it. The movie does not count!
That is exactly what had happened to me on day 3, I felt a bit different. My oil secretions were the same yet didn't feel heavy on my face as if I even wanted to take it off with my oil absorbing sheets.
I cannot wait till you get to day 7 to 8. Right now, my entire body is oil free, and my face, I've only had to dab once after 3 hours. After those three hours, I still had virtually nothing on my face! And it felt just like the skin on my arm, very soft, yet not oily and not dry. It's almost getting there.
This is very exciting. I was sitting in class today taking my midterm, I couldn't even focus because I was so happy with what had happened. Imagining getting what you wanted, after searching 7 years. I felt that today, for once. It's in sight and it's happening. I start shaking because I was so happy that it's finally here. All because of this. I can now live a normal life. It's just time before my red marks dissapear, as my skin goes through the cycle, and till I am clear as day. I can then start doing what I've always wanted without worrying about acne.
Also, I haven't read the book, but read the summary just now, sounds like what we're discovering isn't it? Did you just finish reading it right now?
i used to have really oily skin until i started taking omega 3's as well. i started out with flax and have switched to fish oil sinceshould I replace flax oil with fish oil? Everyone seems to be praising fish oil. I am following Bob's regime.
I follow his regimen too, except I researched that borage and evening primrose are high in omega 6, so I just take omega 3 (fish oil) for my EFAs
WHat brand of fish oil do you buy, because i only found kind that has borage and flaxseed and i want to get off of that.
I get mine from Sam's. There's a brand called members mark. It works, and it's very cheap. I'm sure costco also has a version. They usually sell it for cheap. 🙂
Ok - so today (day 3) my skin is oilier, but it's a different kind of oiliness. Normally my skin is oily AND dehydrated. If you have ever felt tea tree or lavender oil, that's the way the oil on my face normally feels. Kind of a dry oil, not moisturizing, just shiny :doubt: Today, my skin looks.. plumper? Less dehydrated, oily - but not dry. Additionally - my eyes don't itch (they usually do), and my hands aren't dry and flaky - they usually are. Interesting...
you are dead on target.i think we ate fish alot more then previously thought, we couldnt have relied on spearhunting and bowhunting, that is soooooo hard to do, ask any bowhunter.
and to get close enough to something to spear it???? even harder to do, but how hard is it to catch a fish, or even start your own fish pond, fuckin simple.
all you had to do was get a couple fish to mate with each other and keep em in a pond so they can multiply and guess what you are creating your own food source that you can rely on for the rest of your life. A secure food source.
*nods* 😀 exactly!
xxndnromeoxx & AutonomousOne1980 -
Something off topic - Have you guys read The Clan of the Cave Bear? Fictional, but very well researched, hell of a read. I think you guys would like it. The movie does not count!
That is exactly what had happened to me on day 3, I felt a bit different. My oil secretions were the same yet didn't feel heavy on my face as if I even wanted to take it off with my oil absorbing sheets.
I cannot wait till you get to day 7 to 8. Right now, my entire body is oil free, and my face, I've only had to dab once after 3 hours. After those three hours, I still had virtually nothing on my face! And it felt just like the skin on my arm, very soft, yet not oily and not dry. It's almost getting there.
This is very exciting. I was sitting in class today taking my midterm, I couldn't even focus because I was so happy with what had happened. Imagining getting what you wanted, after searching 7 years. I felt that today, for once. It's in sight and it's happening. I start shaking because I was so happy that it's finally here. All because of this. I can now live a normal life. It's just time before my red marks dissapear, as my skin goes through the cycle, and till I am clear as day. I can then start doing what I've always wanted without worrying about acne.
Also, I haven't read the book, but read the summary just now, sounds like what we're discovering isn't it? Did you just finish reading it right now?
me too today! such a good mood.. where i usually break out, it's so much clearer. where i usually dont, has erupted a little, but i feel it's a very good sign that something is going on for the better
me too today! such a good mood.. where i usually break out, it's so much clearer. where i usually dont, has erupted a little, but i feel it's a very good sign that something is going on for the better
How long have you been on fish oil, how many do you take a day?
Also, do you use oil absorbing sheets? Those are so vital! Without those, I'd break out for sure. It saved me so much trouble!
me too today! such a good mood.. where i usually break out, it's so much clearer. where i usually dont, has erupted a little, but i feel it's a very good sign that something is going on for the betterHow long have you been on fish oil, how many do you take a day?
Also, do you use oil absorbing sheets? Those are so vital! Without those, I'd break out for sure. It saved me so much trouble!
taking 6-8 1g fish oil capsules a day along with some other stuff..i'm pretty sure it's the fish oil that's doing it..nop i don't use any absorbing sheets. few times a day i rub my hand (opposite of palm) slightly across my forehead and wherever quick, no biggie with that for me..but it's wierd. around my mouth, under eyes and cheeks is where i normally break out, and it's way clearer. forehead usually isnt bad at all, but now theres a lot of little red bumps and a couple small whiteheads, esp in the middle of my lower forehead and right above my eyebrows. hopefully that will get better
me too today! such a good mood.. where i usually break out, it's so much clearer. where i usually dont, has erupted a little, but i feel it's a very good sign that something is going on for the betterHow long have you been on fish oil, how many do you take a day?
Also, do you use oil absorbing sheets? Those are so vital! Without those, I'd break out for sure. It saved me so much trouble!
taking 6-8 1g fish oil capsules a day along with some other stuff..i'm pretty sure it's the fish oil that's doing it..nop i don't use any absorbing sheets. few times a day i rub my hand (opposite of palm) slightly across my forehead and wherever quick, no biggie with that for me..but it's wierd. around my mouth, under eyes and cheeks is where i normally break out, and it's way clearer. forehead usually isnt bad at all, but now theres a lot of little red bumps and a couple small whiteheads, esp in the middle of my lower forehead and right above my eyebrows. hopefully that will get better
Nice! How many days have you been on it?
If you add in some daily manual exfoliation with the baby hair brush and oil absorbing sheets, you'll be clear in no time definitely. Since both of those are also inexpensive, it should be no problem!
I'm just wondering. For those of you who are taking fishoil and seeing results, how oily is your skin usually?
I don't even want to think about it, ick. To the point where in a few hours you could see a shine on my nose or you could smell it or feel it on you. So nasty! I never realized how thick it was too. I'm glad the viscosity changed too.
In comparison, it's gone down by 50% already, and it's only been a week.
I'm just wondering. For those of you who are taking fishoil and seeing results, how oily is your skin usually?
Really oily. Whenever i touched my face my hands were greasy enough to warrant washing. Kinda like I had just been holding a big mac or something. And this was all the time, during the day and specially at night. At night I got this sensation where you have something heavy coating your face, it was annoying as hell and I don't give a great deal of attention to my skin since its basically severe acne when im not on antibiotics but it was just that annoying. Now I've been off the meds for a while and seem to be keeping things under control. My face acne is none-existent, I only have a small cyst on my left cheek now and for me thats amazing progress. Now I must say while my body is clearing slowly, the progress there hasnt been as dramatic. I assume because my body wasnt oily to begin with.
I cannot wait till you get to day 7 to 8. Right now, my entire body is oil free, and my face, I've only had to dab once after 3 hours. After those three hours, I still had virtually nothing on my face! And it felt just like the skin on my arm, very soft, yet not oily and not dry. It's almost getting there.This is very exciting. I was sitting in class today taking my midterm, I couldn't even focus because I was so happy with what had happened. Imagining getting what you wanted, after searching 7 years. I felt that today, for once. It's in sight and it's happening. I start shaking because I was so happy that it's finally here. All because of this. I can now live a normal life. It's just time before my red marks dissapear, as my skin goes through the cycle, and till I am clear as day. I can then start doing what I've always wanted without worrying about acne.
Also, I haven't read the book, but read the summary just now, sounds like what we're discovering isn't it? Did you just finish reading it right now?
Me either! I actually went to the health food store today and bought a higher quality oil. It's Carlson Super Omega 3 Fish Oil Concentrate. 1000 mg single softgel, 300 mg EPA, 200 mg DHA. No afterburps :sick: It's a pharmaceutical quality oil, really thorough screening, guaranteed potency.... blah, blah, blah. At any rate, I researched for a couple of hours this morning, reading opinions and epinions of customers on various oils, this one had very high marks. We shall see!
The book! Gosh no, I've probably read it 5 or 6 times :ninja: I LOVE it. I've learned a quite a bit from them (it's actually a series).
I'm just wondering. For those of you who are taking fishoil and seeing results, how oily is your skin usually?
Not really oily, but enough that 5 hours after washing my face, I can definitely SEE oil. It's also dehydrated, lined/flakey under the oil 👿 It feels less dehydrated today 🙂
Just one more question. There are a variety of fish oils and I waswondering whether it would be better to get the ones with more
EPA and DHA?
yes more EPA/DHA is better. however, pills that contain more EPA/DHA are usually more expensive. here are the ones i use:
I am such a moron.
Assuming my oil decreased, after 4 pm I decided not to use an oil absorbing sheet. At 9 oclock when I went to wash, guess what happened? 3 zits. But it isn't the type that will form a white head, it's just a red small bump.
I guess that teaches me a lesson. I still need oil absorbing sheets otherwise it will clog.
Gr. Pushing back further.
linoleic acid (omega 6)was the strongest potentiator for sebocyte differentiation(growth in sebum glands)
stronger then dht.
Dermatology. 1998;196(1):43-6. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Click here to read" Links
Mechanisms of androgen induction of sebocyte differentiation.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine, Ill., USA.
It has been difficult to induce the expected sebocyte differentiation in vitro with dihydrotestosterone (DHT). We reasoned that our culture system lacks differentiating factors, and peroxisome proliferator-activated receptors (PPARs) were the prime candidates. We tested PPAR activators informative about diverse PPAR subtypes, with and without DHT (10(-6) M): BRL-49653 (10(-6) M, PPAR-gamma), WY-14643 (10(-6) M, PPAR-alpha), and linoleic acid (LIN, 10(-4) M, PPAR-delta). Treatments were added in serum-free medium to cultures of rat preputial sebocytes. Control, DHT, BRL and BRL + DHT treatments caused 11, 25, 66 and 80%, respectively, of preputial cell colonies to differentiate into lipid-forming colonies (LFCs) (p < 0.001). WY induced 20% and LIN over 95% LFC formation. PPAR-gamma mRNA was identified in preputial sebocytes by the RNase protection assay. These data suggest that differentiation of sebocytes is transduced by PPARs and have implications for the development of new treatments for acne.
PMID: 9557223 [PubMed - indexed
here is another healthy fat that everyone should be aware of, which is also found in mainly grass fed animals just like omega 3s, obviously there is something wrong with they way we raise our meat.
Atherosclerosis. 2006 Jul;187(1):40-9. Epub 2005 Sep 22. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Click here to read" Links
Profound resolution of early atherosclerosis with conjugated linoleic acid.
Department of Clinical Pharmacology and Institute of Biopharmaceutical Sciences, Royal College of Surgeons, Dublin, Ireland.
Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) refers to a group of positional and geometric isomers of linoleic acid and has been shown to suppress the development of atherosclerosis in experimental models. However, the mechanism involved is unclear although it is believed it may act as a cyclooxygenase inhibitor or as an agonist of the nuclear receptors, peroxisome proliferator activated receptors (PPARs). In this study, we examined the effect of cis-9,trans-11:trans-10,cis-12-CLA (80:20 blend) on the regression of pre-established atherosclerosis. ApoE(-/-) mice fed a 1% cholesterol diet were randomized at 8 weeks to continue receiving the diet supplemented with 1% control saturated fat or 1% CLA blend for a further 8 weeks. CLA supplementation did not simply prevent progression but induced almost complete resolution of atherosclerosis. Although CLA inhibited platelet deposition, as detected by staining of platelet glycoprotein alpha11b beta111a, it did not inhibit COX-mediated generation of prostaglandins in this model. However, PPARalpha and PPARgamma expression was increased in the aorta of the CLA-treated animals. This was coincident with decreased macrophage accumulation and decreased expression of the macrophage scavenger receptor CD36 and increased apoptosis in the aorta in vivo. CLA induces the resolution of atherosclerosis by negatively regulating the expression of pro-inflammatory genes and inducing apoptosis in the atherosclerotic lesion.
I found one other thing
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/omega3.shtml
Try to include at least 0.5-1.8 grams of EPA + DHA per day in your diet, either by eating fish or fish oil supplements. If you have documented coronary heart disease, you should include at least 1.0 grams of EPA + DHA in your diet. Patients with hypertriglyceridemia (elevated or high blood triglycerides) can lower their values by as much as 40 percent by taking 2-4 grams of EPA + DHA per day. If you are taking more than 3 grams of EPA + DHA per day, consult with your physician because high intakes tend to prevent blood from clotting and may cause excessive nose
So basically... my current pills have .3 grams (epa + dha total) per pill. I need at least 1.8 optimal. So if I take 2 pills, 3x a day, I should reap full benefits. Because right now with 3 pills I feel good, I think 6 will do the job well?
But I'm also scared
here is another healthy fat that everyone should be aware of, which is also found in mainly grass fed animals just like omega 3s, obviously there is something wrong with they way we raise our meat.Atherosclerosis. 2006 Jul;187(1):40-9. Epub 2005 Sep 22. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Click here to read" Links
Profound resolution of early atherosclerosis with conjugated linoleic acid.
Department of Clinical Pharmacology and Institute of Biopharmaceutical Sciences, Royal College of Surgeons, Dublin, Ireland.
Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) refers to a group of positional and geometric isomers of linoleic acid and has been shown to suppress the development of atherosclerosis in experimental models. However, the mechanism involved is unclear although it is believed it may act as a cyclooxygenase inhibitor or as an agonist of the nuclear receptors, peroxisome proliferator activated receptors (PPARs). In this study, we examined the effect of cis-9,trans-11:trans-10,cis-12-CLA (80:20 blend) on the regression of pre-established atherosclerosis. ApoE(-/-) mice fed a 1% cholesterol diet were randomized at 8 weeks to continue receiving the diet supplemented with 1% control saturated fat or 1% CLA blend for a further 8 weeks. CLA supplementation did not simply prevent progression but induced almost complete resolution of atherosclerosis. Although CLA inhibited platelet deposition, as detected by staining of platelet glycoprotein alpha11b beta111a, it did not inhibit COX-mediated generation of prostaglandins in this model. However, PPARalpha and PPARgamma expression was increased in the aorta of the CLA-treated animals. This was coincident with decreased macrophage accumulation and decreased expression of the macrophage scavenger receptor CD36 and increased apoptosis in the aorta in vivo. CLA induces the resolution of atherosclerosis by negatively regulating the expression of pro-inflammatory genes and inducing apoptosis in the atherosclerotic lesion.
Biotest's flameout come with CLA I believe. Obviously for some performance issues but its interesting to see that performance and health go hand in hand so much these days.
linoleic acid (omega 6)was the strongest potentiator for sebocyte differentiation(growth in sebum glands)stronger then dht.
Dermatology. 1998;196(1):43-6. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Click here to read" Links
Mechanisms of androgen induction of sebocyte differentiation.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine, Ill., USA.
It has been difficult to induce the expected sebocyte differentiation in vitro with dihydrotestosterone (DHT). We reasoned that our culture system lacks differentiating factors, and peroxisome proliferator-activated receptors (PPARs) were the prime candidates. We tested PPAR activators informative about diverse PPAR subtypes, with and without DHT (10(-6) M): BRL-49653 (10(-6) M, PPAR-gamma), WY-14643 (10(-6) M, PPAR-alpha), and linoleic acid (LIN, 10(-4) M, PPAR-delta). Treatments were added in serum-free medium to cultures of rat preputial sebocytes. Control, DHT, BRL and BRL + DHT treatments caused 11, 25, 66 and 80%, respectively, of preputial cell colonies to differentiate into lipid-forming colonies (LFCs) (p < 0.001). WY induced 20% and LIN over 95% LFC formation. PPAR-gamma mRNA was identified in preputial sebocytes by the RNase protection assay. These data suggest that differentiation of sebocytes is transduced by PPARs and have implications for the development of new treatments for acne.
PMID: 9557223 [PubMed - indexed
Interesting, thanks for the info. But damn these are hard to read, do you know what condition the "BRL" is refering to?
ok for the one millionth time
more proof
: J Invest Dermatol. 1999 Feb;112(2):226-32. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Click here to read" Links
Rat preputial sebocyte differentiation involves peroxisome proliferator-activated receptors.
. Department of Pediatrics, University of Chicago Children's Hospital, Illinois 60637-1470, USA.
The hallmark of sebaceous epithelial cell (sebocyte) differentiation is the accumulation of fused neutral fat droplets. Very little sebocyte differentiation occurs, however, in primary or organ culture, even upon incubating with androgens, which are required for maturation in vivo. We hypothesized that sebocyte cell culture systems lack activators of the peroxisome proliferator-activated receptors that are involved in adipocyte differentiation. We here report that activation of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma and alpha by their respective specific ligands, a thiazolidinedione and a fibrate, induced lipid droplet formation in sebocytes but not epidermal cells. Linoleic acid and carbaprostacyclin, both peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor delta and alpha ligand-activators, were more effective but less specific, stimulating lipid formation in both types of cells. Either was more effective than the combination of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma and alpha activation, suggesting that peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor delta is involved in this lipid formation. Linoleic acid 0.1 mM stimulated significantly more advanced sebocyte maturation than any other treatment, including carbaprostacyclin, which suggests a distinct role of long chain fatty acids in sebocyte differentiation. Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gammal mRNA was demonstrated in sebocytes, but not in epidermal cells; it was more strongly expressed in freshly dispersed than in cultured sebocytes. In contrast, peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor delta mRNA was expressed to a similarly high extent before and after culture in both sebocytes and epidermal cells. These findings are compatible with the concepts that peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma1 gene expression plays a unique role in the differentiation of sebocytes, while peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor delta activation and long chain fatty acids finalize sebocyte maturation and are capable of stimulating epidermal lipid formation. These findings have implications for the development of new modalities of treatment for acne vulgaris.
so i guess lets balance our omega 6s/3 then hey.
just in case you dont know linoleic acid is an omega 6 fatty acid. actually the main omega 6.
Arch Dermatol. 1987 Nov;123(11):1538a-1541. Links
The effect of 13-cis-retinoic acid on sebaceous glands.
Marshall Research Dermatology Research Laboratories, Department of Dermatology, University of Iowa College of Medicine, Iowa City 52242.
The drug, 13-cis-retinoic acid, which has been demonstrated to have a marked effect on nodulocystic acne, probably has several mechanisms of action. This article summarizes the effects on the sebaceous glands, and the accompanying changes in cutaneous lipids that result from 13-cis-retinoic acid therapy. These changes in lipid composition support the concept that linoleate may be of importance in the pathogenesis of acne.
linoleate is a salt or ester made from linoleic acid.
so one more time,
back to my theory of excess omega 6s in the sebum causing coagulation and the formation of the comedone is highly likely.
but i could be dead wrong as well.
xxndnromeoxx - I'm taking 2.4 g total o3 daily - nothing bad so far!
AutonomousOne1980 - Damn! Excellent articles! 
BigBeauty:
Rosiglitazone (BRL 49653) is a prototypical TZD and has served as a reference compound for this class.3 Rosiglitazone is a potent and selective PPARŽ³ ligand. It binds to the PPARŽ³ ligand-binding domain with a Kd of 43 nM.3 It activates luciferase-based expression constructs PPARg1 and PPARg2 with EC50 values of approximately 30 nM and 100 nM, respectively.3 Rosiglitazone is active in vivo as a antidiabetic agent in the ob/ob mouse model, and has been used as an oral hypoglycemic agent in the treatment of Type II diabetes in humans for many years.
So I am now offically on fish oil. I took salmon oil a couple of years ago, but then switched to flaxseed oil because a friend recommended it. I can tell you that it didn't improve my acne and after finding this post, I switched back to a high potency omega 3 fish oil. I also stopped taking evening primrose oil (I think it was causing breakouts on my chin) and have eliminated dairy, wheat, and junk food from my diet. It's only been about 4 days of taking fish oil, and I don't know if my imagination or not, but it seems like my skin is healing a lot faster and it's not as red and blotchy. 