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Wow, that sounds really unmotivating. Reminds me of that failed B5 diet I went under years ago..................all for nothing.
As far as the fish oil goes, I suppose I'll give it a trial run. I seriously do hope the money put down on it won't be in vain. I'm an almost-broke college student and very frugal to boot.
I've been checking GNC's website and it seems that they have several types of fish oil, and I'm at a loss as to which one I should buy and use. Would you guys care to help me out???:
http://www.gnc.com/family/index.jsp?filter...=priceAscending
and Vitamin Shoppe has a whole friggin' gallery of fish oil varieties under many name brands, sheesh:
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/que...;intsource=main
Checkin in....Monday will be a whole month.Towards the end of this week my face really kinda broke down and I got zits here and there and a cyst or two. Im still having some questions about this and wondering if its the complete cure and doesn't need something else to go with it. Ive considered adding the green tea like some people have, but it seems like still thats not totally 100% curing people so it doesn't seem worth it. Maybe its because I haven't been hard on my diet...it didn't seem like I went really bad on my diet, yet maybe its more sensitive than I thought. On Wednesday, there weren't any of these granola bars I usually take to eat at school and I knew i'd pay if I didn't bring anything so I grabbed an almost empty bag of those one brand of wheat chips. I had bad experience withe ating some chips a couple weeks ago, so I shouldve known, but I figured that I wasn't going to be eating THAT much and I was up to 10 pills so that would cancel it out or something....looking back now I think my face went downhill a bit after I ate those chips. So im not eating chips ever again. Yesterday I was out all night and had some Panda Express and didn't end up taking my night dose of Fish oil untill like 12, so I kinda knew I was risking it there. Ive got a bit of a cyst now but I think ill be able to keep it under control. Still, even if ive been frustrated the last few days, my face is definitely better than it has been in the past. Ive got some pics of what I looked like at this time last year, and WOW...lets just say that helps, but its only natural for us to keep wanting better.
So basically, im still fighting a battle, but ive definitely got more of an edge now. Im still wondering how the amount of time you take the fish oil affects things...like if it will improve the longer you take it or what. Some people have said here and there taht they think it does, but im not sure that anyone has taken it long enough to know. Im gonna watch my diet more and ill check in again soon.
How much fish oil are you taking? You mention having cysts... the green tea was inspired by Mad I.D. he had severe acne (from the pictures linked on the green tea thread). His went away from it alone, so that's why I wondered how it happened. And hence I started using it and finding out more about it. I wouldn't give up any of these, together they are amazing.
I remember, that with fish oil, as time progressed, it was my skin and hair that also improved, it felt supple, as the moisture in my skin increased, and as I know I say alot... but my sebum quality improved, but ever so slowly. Acne would still be there, but less, and less in size. Now I am almost at end of week 5, and I still have an active, and blemishes, but it's many folds better. You may want to try combining them. For me, green tea really regulates my mood and hormones, you can actually feel it, it's so hard to explain, but so worth it. I keep reading how it decreases the production of oil, and it happens, but also ever so slowly, but it does, and now I just need to figure out how much of what and when to take to get the optimal level and all that jazz you know? But keep writing out what's going on, your doses, and what else you do.
Be sure you also have a good skin cleaning regimen! No excess dead skin cells, or any oil you produce will be trapped and clog your pores, no matter how thick the oil :doubt:
Do tell me about your cleaning regimen, and how you moisturize etc.
Wow, that sounds really unmotivating. Reminds me of that failed B5 diet I went under years ago..................all for nothing.As far as the fish oil goes, I suppose I'll give it a trial run. I seriously do hope the money put down on it won't be in vain. I'm an almost-broke college student and very frugal to boot.
I've been checking GNC's website and it seems that they have several types of fish oil, and I'm at a loss as to which one I should buy and use. Would you guys care to help me out???:
http://www.gnc.com/family/index.jsp?filter...=priceAscending
and Vitamin Shoppe has a whole friggin' gallery of fish oil varieties under many name brands, sheesh:
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/que...;intsource=main
Just understand what fish oil does for your skin, many studies have been posted here, it is a function of the body that is regulated, many functions at that. Just be wise and be sure you research as well. It's all there, without anything to hide. It's not an acne cure, it's a means to normalize the functioning of your organs, including your skin. It adds moisture, regulates the quality oil production, etc. And remember, with all things, it needs two things... time and dedication. B5, on the other hand, is proven unsafe through and through, omega 3.. isn't, it's proven vital. So even if it doesn't clear your acne, it's necessary as a step in the whole process, but to remove it completely after a few weeks of trial is a big mistake, I hope you don't do that! You'll be ahead of the game with it, even if it's not to 100% clarity, there may be other things you just need to alter in your regimen to finish it off :).
I would get these:
http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?produ...rentPage=family
They seem fine
Wow, that sounds really unmotivating. Reminds me of that failed B5 diet I went under years ago..................all for nothing.As far as the fish oil goes, I suppose I'll give it a trial run. I seriously do hope the money put down on it won't be in vain. I'm an almost-broke college student and very frugal to boot.
I've been checking GNC's website and it seems that they have several types of fish oil, and I'm at a loss as to which one I should buy and use. Would you guys care to help me out???:
http://www.gnc.com/family/index.jsp?filter...=priceAscending
and Vitamin Shoppe has a whole friggin' gallery of fish oil varieties under many name brands, sheesh:
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/que...;intsource=main
I take the Omega3 Fish Oil 1000 mgs from gnc
I just wanted to update that I stopped taking the supplements for a week to see what would happen.
Suprisingly, it didn't make me break out that much but it did dry out my eczema.
Scince it has been exactly 1 week I am going back on the supplements tommarow.
I am kind of experimenting with all of this for information purposes.
I think it is cool to see that the oils play apart with your skins ability to retain moisture.
A suggestion for someone trying to increase the water consumption:
Eat Cucumbers because they are very high in water and very low in calories.
I think that is a great idea.
Wow, that sounds really unmotivating. Reminds me of that failed B5 diet I went under years ago..................all for nothing.As far as the fish oil goes, I suppose I'll give it a trial run. I seriously do hope the money put down on it won't be in vain. I'm an almost-broke college student and very frugal to boot.
I've been checking GNC's website and it seems that they have several types of fish oil, and I'm at a loss as to which one I should buy and use. Would you guys care to help me out???:
http://www.gnc.com/family/index.jsp?filter...=priceAscending
and Vitamin Shoppe has a whole friggin' gallery of fish oil varieties under many name brands, sheesh:
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/que...;intsource=main
Time and Time again, Carlson's gets listed as the best or one fo the best brands of fish oil there is. That's what I take and everything is good. Notice,m though, that Carlson's is in liquid form so if you easily gag you may want to look into pills. Although, Carlson's doesn't really taste like fish at all, IMO. Just lemony.
I will also mention that it seems expensive, but it really isn't. The vitaminn Shoppe site doesn't list servings for some reason, but there are 100 servings in the 16 oz. bottle at $23. If you were to keep in line with 3 grams (10 pills) that many people here are taking, that bottle would last you 50 days (7weeks). That works out to a little over $3 a week, very affordable. It seems expensive because one bottle of liquid equals multiple bottles of pills because the Carlson's is so concentrated, when in fact you get more for your money with liquid.
Also, I would recommend Twinlab. They are one fo the better supplement companies and make good quality products.
I just wanted to update that I stopped taking the supplements for a week to see what would happen.Suprisingly, it didn't make me break out that much but it did dry out my eczema.
Scince it has been exactly 1 week I am going back on the supplements tommarow.
I am kind of experimenting with all of this for information purposes.
I think it is cool to see that the oils play apart with your skins ability to retain moisture.
A suggestion for someone trying to increase the water consumption:
Eat Cucumbers because they are very high in water and very low in calories.
I think that is a great idea.
Thanks Amanda, great suggestion! I really found your experiment interesting. Keep us posted, I hope it works. And you're right, the moisture content feels good, I never really knew it could do that before hand, I just took it because people kept saying they got clear and all that jazz. But that's a great benefit!
Time and Time again, Carlson's gets listed as the best or one fo the best brands of fish oil there is. That's what I take and everything is good. Notice,m though, that Carlson's is in liquid form so if you easily gag you may want to look into pills. Although, Carlson's doesn't really taste like fish at all, IMO. Just lemony.I will also mention that it seems expensive, but it really isn't. The vitaminn Shoppe site doesn't list servings for some reason, but there are 100 servings in the 16 oz. bottle at $23. If you were to keep in line with 3 grams (10 pills) that many people here are taking, that bottle would last you 50 days (7weeks). That works out to a little over $3 a week, very affordable. It seems because one bottle of liquid equals multiple bottles of pills because the Carlson's is so concentrated, when in fact you get more for your money with liquid.
I really want to try the liquids out, they seem better too, plus I can get in more per day (rather than taking pills). I have a question. When you bought Carlson's... did you find it in a fridge at the place you went to? Because I remember you saying it had to be kept cold. I just want to be sure on what to look for when buying the liquid as I am not sure on if it has to be in the fridge, or not, when purchasing 🙂
Thanks!
I think I'll be going with pills for my first outing. From what I've seen, I see that the GNC brand has more pills per bottle than an equally priced Twinlab one does, so perhaps I'll be going with the GNC brand. But 1000mg is fine right??? I see the ones the "Boss Man" (that's what I call topic creators everywhere I go, an homage to the late, great WWF wrestler "Big Boss Man") linked to include relatively low levels of DHA+EPA compared to some of their other ones and even my "black market" ones, but I guess they do include more pills.
I think I'll be going with pills for my first outing. From what I've seen, I see that the GNC brand has more pills per bottle than an equally priced Twinlab one does, so perhaps I'll be going with the GNC brand. But 1000mg is fine right??? I see the ones the "Boss Man" (that's what I call topic creators everywhere I go, an homage to the late, great WWF wrestler "Big Boss Man") linked to include relatively low levels of DHA+EPA compared to some of their other ones and even my "black market" ones, but I guess they do include more pills.
yeah, most have 1000 mg per pill, but 300 mg of actual omega 3, which the gnc has as well (epa and dha)
From the Carlson's Rep: You can keep it in the fridge if it makes you more comfortable, but it is not necessary.
Neither the liquid or the capsules are stored in the fridge at either of my local health food stores.
My skin. I got a cyst. *(&%@(*)_!!! Pissed me the hell off. It was during PMS week though so ...
It IS going away, and I think (and hope) it's likely my skin doing some purging. I don't normally get cysts so...?
Overall - my skin seems thicker, more resilient, even toned, moisturized & calm.
Wow, that sounds really unmotivating. Reminds me of that failed B5 diet I went under years ago..................all for nothing.As far as the fish oil goes, I suppose I'll give it a trial run. I seriously do hope the money put down on it won't be in vain. I'm an almost-broke college student and very frugal to boot.
Walgreens almost always has one brand or another on sale buy one get one free.
From the Carlson's Rep: You can keep it in the fridge if it makes you more comfortable, but it is not necessary.Neither the liquid or the capsules are stored in the fridge at either of my local health food stores.
My skin. I got a cyst. *(&%@(*)_!!! Pissed me the hell off. It was during PMS week though so ...:shrug: It IS going away, and I think (and hope) it's likely my skin doing some purging. I don't normally get cysts so...?
Overall - my skin seems thicker, more resilient, even toned, moisturized & calm.
I'm sorry that you got a cyst 🙁 where is it at? Hopefully it's not in a really noticeable area and it will subside fast! Try some aspirins on the spot, it should definitely lessen it fast. One thing that helped it spot treating with milk of magnesia, full strength. It feels seely since it feels like water to your skin but damn does it work fast! It demolishes any active spots within 2 days for me, even faster than aspirin, and even that's good. I hope that helps!
Thank you for that information on fish oil, it's a relief so now I don't have to worry as much about the fridge issue and keeping it cold and wondering if it is useless of not by sitting on a shelf.
On the overall part, I think that is what we should just expect, and the rest is still in question, but since most of the sites that talk about the benefits list all that, then the rest is probably in our issues with skin care and maintenance.
For example, for the past two days I've been experimenting with facial scrubs instead. I quickly realize how poor of a job they do as I still had a lot of flakes farely soon even after moisturization etc. And by the next day it was horrid. So I started getting clogged pores. So when I went back to my brush it was better for sure. So try to think about everything you do and maybe we'll find the last steps of it all somewhere in there perhaps?
From the Carlson's Rep: You can keep it in the fridge if it makes you more comfortable, but it is not necessary.Neither the liquid or the capsules are stored in the fridge at either of my local health food stores.
My skin. I got a cyst. *(&%@(*)_!!! Pissed me the hell off. It was during PMS week though so ...:shrug: It IS going away, and I think (and hope) it's likely my skin doing some purging. I don't normally get cysts so...?
Overall - my skin seems thicker, more resilient, even toned, moisturized & calm.
I'm sorry that you got a cyst 🙁 where is it at? Hopefully it's not in a really noticeable area and it will subside fast! Try some aspirins on the spot, it should definitely lessen it fast. One thing that helped it spot treating with milk of magnesia, full strength. It feels seely since it feels like water to your skin but damn does it work fast! It demolishes any active spots within 2 days for me, even faster than aspirin, and even that's good. I hope that helps!
Thank you for that information on fish oil, it's a relief so now I don't have to worry as much about the fridge issue and keeping it cold and wondering if it is useless of not by sitting on a shelf.
On the overall part, I think that is what we should just expect, and the rest is still in question, but since most of the sites that talk about the benefits list all that, then the rest is probably in our issues with skin care and maintenance.
For example, for the past two days I've been experimenting with facial scrubs instead. I quickly realize how poor of a job they do as I still had a lot of flakes farely soon even after moisturization etc. And by the next day it was horrid. So I started getting clogged pores. So when I went back to my brush it was better for sure. So try to think about everything you do and maybe we'll find the last steps of it all somewhere in there perhaps?
A couple of the health stores have refrigerated sections, some not. This one local store has it in the frig, but I bought my last bottle from amazon.com becasue I had a gift certificate. Seemed perfectly fine. I don't think it's imperative that it is kept refrigerated, but if you have the option, why not? Safe than sorry I suppose.
I second the notion that the other parts of your diet and skin care will account for a good portion of your skin's condition. Obviously, since this is a fish oil thread, fish oil is the focus with good reason, but I doubt it will make anyone's skin invincible. Everyone has to find those other little pieces of the puzzle, although I do believe that EFA's can be a major part. Personally, I find I still need my ginger root, flax seed and green smoothies to keep my skin clear. If I omit these, I may not break out but my skin starts to get irritated and not as nice as when I have all these components included in my daily regimen.
I like people have said, external skin care is still very imortant. I am probably in the minority, but I have been am acne sufferer with chronic dry skin. FIsh oil has helped my skin retain much needed moisture, but I find that I still need to apply Vaseline at night to seal in moisture and allow my skin to heal. Granted, it has been winter in CHicago, so there has been zero moisture in the air and horrible wind chills making the porblem worse. I fully expect my skin to be awesome by summer (it's already in the ebst condition it has been in years).
One last thing, there will always be up and downs. Hell last week I ran out of razor blades, so I shaved with one of the stupid Gillette Fusion 5 blade things....I developed two huge razor bumps that left two nice red marks that greet me every morning. I was pissed, but I have to remember that my skin is 99% better than it has been in years and that I am lucky enough to be able to pinpoint what caused the problem. Keep steady.
A couple of the health stores have refrigerated sections, some not. This one local store has it in the frig, but I bought my last bottle from amazon.com becasue I had a gift certificate. Seemed perfectly fine. I don't think it's imperative that it is kept refrigerated, but if you have the option, why not? Safe than sorry I suppose.I second the notion that the other parts of your diet and skin care will account for a good portion of your skin's condition. Obviously, since this is a fish oil thread, fish oil is the focus with good reason, but I doubt it will make anyone's skin invincible. Everyone has to find those other little pieces of the puzzle, although I do believe that EFA's can be a major part. Personally, I find I still need my ginger root, flax seed and green smoothies to keep my skin clear. If I omit these, I may not break out but my skin starts to get irritated and not as nice as when I have all these components included in my daily regimen.
I like people have said, external skin care is still very imortant. I am probably in the minority, but I have been am acne sufferer with chronic dry skin. FIsh oil has helped my skin retain much needed moisture, but I find that I still need to apply Vaseline at night to seal in moisture and allow my skin to heal. Granted, it has been winter in CHicago, so there has been zero moisture in the air and horrible wind chills making the porblem worse. I fully expect my skin to be awesome by summer (it's already in the ebst condition it has been in years).
One last thing, there will always be up and downs. Hell last week I ran out of razor blades, so I shaved with one of the stupid Gillette Fusion 5 blade things....I developed two huge razor bumps that left two nice red marks that greet me every morning. I was pissed, but I have to remember that my skin is 99% better than it has been in years and that I am lucky enough to be able to pinpoint what caused the problem. Keep steady.
Thanks for the heads up, that's good advice! (about the fridge issue).
I feel the same way you do, in relation go years span of time and problems. If anything happens now, it angers me but at the same time makes me happy in the sense that I realize where I've been and where I am now, almost sweet pain so to speak.
I find it interesting how you have really dry skin, and still get acne, I don't understand how that works. Is the acne mainly from the excessive dry skin being clogged with bacteria and minimal oil? I always felt that if I had dry skin, I could use moisturizer, exfoliate, and be done with it but apparently it seems there's so much more to it?
You guy shave such an opposite climate, here we get so much air moisture, from the humidity (houston), and the heat, I often wish I was in the colder regions without humidity.
That's one reason I also don't shave (the blade irritation). I have to use a beard trimmer till I get it under 100% control.
A couple of the health stores have refrigerated sections, some not. This one local store has it in the frig, but I bought my last bottle from amazon.com becasue I had a gift certificate. Seemed perfectly fine. I don't think it's imperative that it is kept refrigerated, but if you have the option, why not? Safe than sorry I suppose.I second the notion that the other parts of your diet and skin care will account for a good portion of your skin's condition. Obviously, since this is a fish oil thread, fish oil is the focus with good reason, but I doubt it will make anyone's skin invincible. Everyone has to find those other little pieces of the puzzle, although I do believe that EFA's can be a major part. Personally, I find I still need my ginger root, flax seed and green smoothies to keep my skin clear. If I omit these, I may not break out but my skin starts to get irritated and not as nice as when I have all these components included in my daily regimen.
I like people have said, external skin care is still very imortant. I am probably in the minority, but I have been am acne sufferer with chronic dry skin. FIsh oil has helped my skin retain much needed moisture, but I find that I still need to apply Vaseline at night to seal in moisture and allow my skin to heal. Granted, it has been winter in CHicago, so there has been zero moisture in the air and horrible wind chills making the porblem worse. I fully expect my skin to be awesome by summer (it's already in the ebst condition it has been in years).
One last thing, there will always be up and downs. Hell last week I ran out of razor blades, so I shaved with one of the stupid Gillette Fusion 5 blade things....I developed two huge razor bumps that left two nice red marks that greet me every morning. I was pissed, but I have to remember that my skin is 99% better than it has been in years and that I am lucky enough to be able to pinpoint what caused the problem. Keep steady.
Thanks for the heads up, that's good advice! (about the fridge issue).
I feel the same way you do, in relation go years span of time and problems. If anything happens now, it angers me but at the same time makes me happy in the sense that I realize where I've been and where I am now, almost sweet pain so to speak.
I find it interesting how you have really dry skin, and still get acne, I don't understand how that works. Is the acne mainly from the excessive dry skin being clogged with bacteria and minimal oil? I always felt that if I had dry skin, I could use moisturizer, exfoliate, and be done with it but apparently it seems there's so much more to it?
You guy shave such an opposite climate, here we get so much air moisture, from the humidity (houston), and the heat, I often wish I was in the colder regions without humidity.
That's one reason I also don't shave (the blade irritation). I have to use a beard trimmer till I get it under 100% control.
I had the usual oily skin in high school, but that stopped some years later and yet I still had acne. Granted, it was downgraded in severity but, man, my pores clogged like crazy even if I didn't use any treatments that dried my skin out further. Dry skin is more prone to infection, irritation, hyper-proliferation (excess skin cells) Can see how all those would relate to acne?
Dry skin is irritated which leads to inflammation and skin cells that will not shed properly. IT's tough because of the horribly dry winters, but I think I am finally past acne, more or less. This winter was brutal weather wise but I was able to remain more or less clear(like 98-99%). As spring and summer rolls around, skin moisture doesn't become an issue and I think with all the dietary changes and things like fish oil, my skin should be in strong shape come next fall/Winter. I'm clear with just some red marks, but my skin is so stable, which is comforting.
If you ever want to try a blade razor, go with a dual-edge safety razor. Really old school, but awesome. SInce I switched back in OCtober or so, I really have only had about 2 razor bumps excluding the last 2 from last week. Here's link http://www.amazon.com/Merkur-Futur-Adjusta...1515&sr=1-2
The initial purchase is pricey for some reason, but the blades are super cheap. A 10 pack costs $4 and can last a few months depending on how often you shave. I estimate that I will need about 3 packs a year or so, that's $12 a year compared to all those Gillete things that cost $12 for a few blades. I highly recommend.
From the Carlson's Rep: You can keep it in the fridge if it makes you more comfortable, but it is not necessary.Neither the liquid or the capsules are stored in the fridge at either of my local health food stores.
My skin. I got a cyst. *(&%@(*)_!!! Pissed me the hell off. It was during PMS week though so ...:shrug: It IS going away, and I think (and hope) it's likely my skin doing some purging. I don't normally get cysts so...?
Overall - my skin seems thicker, more resilient, even toned, moisturized & calm.
I'm sorry that you got a cyst 🙁 where is it at? Hopefully it's not in a really noticeable area and it will subside fast! Try some aspirins on the spot, it should definitely lessen it fast. One thing that helped it spot treating with milk of magnesia, full strength. It feels seely since it feels like water to your skin but damn does it work fast! It demolishes any active spots within 2 days for me, even faster than aspirin, and even that's good. I hope that helps!
Thank you for that information on fish oil, it's a relief so now I don't have to worry as much about the fridge issue and keeping it cold and wondering if it is useless of not by sitting on a shelf.
On the overall part, I think that is what we should just expect, and the rest is still in question, but since most of the sites that talk about the benefits list all that, then the rest is probably in our issues with skin care and maintenance.
For example, for the past two days I've been experimenting with facial scrubs instead. I quickly realize how poor of a job they do as I still had a lot of flakes farely soon even after moisturization etc. And by the next day it was horrid. So I started getting clogged pores. So when I went back to my brush it was better for sure. So try to think about everything you do and maybe we'll find the last steps of it all somewhere in there perhaps?
The cyst is/was dead center on my right cheek :doubt: I put aspirin on religiously, also took ibuprofen to try and keep the swelling down, damned thing was determined though 😆
I've never tried the milk of magnesia. I keep looking at it at wally world and wondering, but I'm always afraid it will break me out. Have you experienced any adverse effects from it? I tried epsom salt on a zit on my forehead about a year ago 🙁 It burned my skin so badly it didn't heal for about 3 weeks, now I have a large pock-mark - and bangs 😀
I can't do any kind of manual exfoliation, makes my skin go nuts. Oddly enough, I had the whole baby brush idea as well about 6 months ago. It did not work out for my face - but it is awesome for KP elsewhere. I use the safety first brand with a bar of olive oil soap and it makes my skin like butter 😀
Wow, that sounds really unmotivating. Reminds me of that failed B5 diet I went under years ago..................all for nothing.As far as the fish oil goes, I suppose I'll give it a trial run. I seriously do hope the money put down on it won't be in vain. I'm an almost-broke college student and very frugal to boot.
I've been checking GNC's website and it seems that they have several types of fish oil, and I'm at a loss as to which one I should buy and use. Would you guys care to help me out???:
http://www.gnc.com/family/index.jsp?filter...=priceAscending
and Vitamin Shoppe has a whole friggin' gallery of fish oil varieties under many name brands, sheesh:
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/en/que...;intsource=main
Well, to respond to my own quote, yesterday I went and bought me a bottle of GNC-brand fish oil capsules!!! YAHOO!!! FWEE AT WAST!!! <Elmer Fudd>......................pardon my sarcasm.
Specifically these ones which the only difference I noticed compared to the ones you linked to "Boss Man" is that they are cholesterol-free and lemon-flavored:
http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?produ...rentPage=family
The bottle also mentions that upon opening it should be stored tightly inside a fridge. And, just like my previous "black market" fish oil capsules, these too mention that they include "no preservatives"....................but I guess I was justified in buying name brand just in case and for piece of mind right???
Well, now that I got them, how many should I be taking, considering I eat nowhere near as much as I'd like to in a day, due to my aforementioned frugality and mostly stocking up on the same stuff (instant ramen, wheat bread, peanut butter, chef boyardee products and rice as a staple of dinner). I also make sure to drink lots of water if that's of any help. Haven't drank soda in months, and aside from water I drink orange juice.
I agree that our diets should contain less o-6 and more o-3 than the typical American diet, but I'm really beginning to think this whole idea of simply shooting for a 1:1 ratio is very naive and not optimal. The ratio with regard to the type of acid seems important (i.e. should a diet be of equal amounts linolenic acid and EPA+DHA as a lot of the fish supplementers here are attempting compared to equal amounts of linolenic acid and ALA?). Also, the absolute amounts of each has to be just as important as the ratio. Although this doesn't pertain directly to fish oil (since in already contains the EPA), this abstract is an interesting illustration that absolute amounts are important too:
Conversion of {alpha}-linolenic acid in humans is influenced by the absolute amounts of {alpha}-linolenic acid and linoleic acid in the diet and not by their ratio1,2,3Petra LL Goyens, Mary E Spilker, Peter L Zock, Martijn B Katan and Ronald P Mensink
1 From the Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, Maastricht, Netherlands (PLLG and RPM); the Technical University of Munich, Nuclear Medicine Department, Klinikum rechts der Isar, Germany (MES); the Division of Human Nutrition, Wageningen University, Wageningen, Netherlands (PLZ and MBK); and Wageningen Centre for Food Sciences, Wageningen, Netherlands (PLZ, MBK, and RPM)
Background: Human in vivo data on dietary determinants of {alpha}-linolenic acid (ALA; 18:3na3) metabolism are scarce.
Objective: We examined whether intakes of ALA or linoleic acid (LA; 18:2na6) or their ratio influences ALA metabolism.
Design: During 4 wk, 29 subjects received a control diet (7% of energy from LA, 0.4% of energy from ALA, ALA-to-LA ratio = 1:19). For the next 6 wk, a control diet, a low-LA diet (3% of energy from LA, 0.4% of energy from ALA, ratio = 1:7), or a high-ALA diet (7% of energy from LA, 1.1% of energy from ALA, ratio = 1:7) was consumed. Ten days before the end of each dietary period, [u-13C]ALA was administered orally for 9 d. ALA oxidation was determined from breath. Conversion was estimated by using compartmental modeling of [13C]- and [12C]na3 fatty acid concentrations in fasting plasma phospholipids.
Results: Compared with the control group, ALA incorporation into phospholipids increased by 3.6% in the low-LA group (P = 0.012) and decreased by 8.0% in the high-ALA group (P < 0.001). In absolute amounts, it increased by 34.3 mg (P = 0.020) in the low-LA group but hardly changed in the high-ALA group. Nearly all ALA from the plasma phospholipid pool was converted into eicosapentaenoic acid. Conversion of eicosapentaenoic acid into docosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid hardly changed in the 3 groups and was <0.1% of dietary ALA. In absolute amounts, it was unchanged in the low-LA group, but increased from 0.7 to 1.9 mg (P = 0.001) in the high-ALA group. ALA oxidation was unchanged by the dietary interventions.
Conclusion: The amounts of ALA and LA in the diet, but not their ratio, determine ALA conversion.
From what I've read elsewhere, the essential amounts of EPA and DHA needed are very small compared to what we're supplementing with. Hence, maybe we're better off primarily focusing on lowering the o-6 and LA in our diets to get better ratios than oversupplementing with o-3 to match our current high levels of o-6?
I agree that our diets should contain less o-6 and more o-3 than the typical American diet, but I'm really beginning to think this whole idea of simply shooting for a 1:1 ratio is very naive and not optimal. The ratio with regard to the type of acid seems important (i.e. should a diet be of equal amounts linolenic acid and EPA+DHA as a lot of the fish supplementers here are attempting compared to equal amounts of linolenic acid and ALA?). Also, the absolute amounts of each has to be just as important as the ratio. Although this doesn't pertain directly to fish oil (since in already contains the EPA), this abstract is an interesting illustration that absolute amounts are important too:
Conversion of {alpha}-linolenic acid in humans is influenced by the absolute amounts of {alpha}-linolenic acid and linoleic acid in the diet and not by their ratio1,2,3Petra LL Goyens, Mary E Spilker, Peter L Zock, Martijn B Katan and Ronald P Mensink
1 From the Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, Maastricht, Netherlands (PLLG and RPM); the Technical University of Munich, Nuclear Medicine Department, Klinikum rechts der Isar, Germany (MES); the Division of Human Nutrition, Wageningen University, Wageningen, Netherlands (PLZ and MBK); and Wageningen Centre for Food Sciences, Wageningen, Netherlands (PLZ, MBK, and RPM)
Background: Human in vivo data on dietary determinants of {alpha}-linolenic acid (ALA; 18:3n3) metabolism are scarce.
Objective: We examined whether intakes of ALA or linoleic acid (LA; 18:2n6) or their ratio influences ALA metabolism.
Design: During 4 wk, 29 subjects received a control diet (7% of energy from LA, 0.4% of energy from ALA, ALA-to-LA ratio = 1:19). For the next 6 wk, a control diet, a low-LA diet (3% of energy from LA, 0.4% of energy from ALA, ratio = 1:7), or a high-ALA diet (7% of energy from LA, 1.1% of energy from ALA, ratio = 1:7) was consumed. Ten days before the end of each dietary period, [u-13C]ALA was administered orally for 9 d. ALA oxidation was determined from breath. Conversion was estimated by using compartmental modeling of [13C]- and [12C]n3 fatty acid concentrations in fasting plasma phospholipids.
Results: Compared with the control group, ALA incorporation into phospholipids increased by 3.6% in the low-LA group (P = 0.012) and decreased by 8.0% in the high-ALA group (P < 0.001). In absolute amounts, it increased by 34.3 mg (P = 0.020) in the low-LA group but hardly changed in the high-ALA group. Nearly all ALA from the plasma phospholipid pool was converted into eicosapentaenoic acid. Conversion of eicosapentaenoic acid into docosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid hardly changed in the 3 groups and was <0.1% of dietary ALA. In absolute amounts, it was unchanged in the low-LA group, but increased from 0.7 to 1.9 mg (P = 0.001) in the high-ALA group. ALA oxidation was unchanged by the dietary interventions.
Conclusion: The amounts of ALA and LA in the diet, but not their ratio, determine ALA conversion.
From what I've read elsewhere, the essential amounts of EPA and DHA needed are very small compared to what we're supplementing with. Hence, maybe we're better off primarily focusing on lowering the o-6 and LA in our diets to get better ratios than oversupplementing with o-3 to match our current high levels of o-6?
Good find!!
so the incorporation of good fatty acids into the phospholipid bilayer is more depedant on a low o6 diet then it is on a high o6 diet,
very nice.
ive been doing both actually, very low o6 and moderatly high o3 from fish oil. but i dont take any ala like flax although ive been meaning to work in some flax into my supplementation.
only thing is what were doing still seems a little different because epa and dha are already converted. but it still is good to learn about this relationship of low o6 being crucial to how the phospholipids are incorporated into the cell membranes.
I do that exfoliating with the toothbrush and baking powder deal. The "cleanser" I use is just some AcneFree crap I have leftover...I know thats probably not very good, but I dont have the time/money to go find special products, but im gonna try to find something better in the future. I use the Acnefree toner with it at night...I used to never use it because it really makes red marks & such stand out(which is why I use it only at night)but I noticed that it seems to heal stuff faster when I use it....lets see, then I have some benzoyl(again leftover acnefree stuff) that I only apply to active areas now. From time to time, I use a Mint Julep masque and also, this may seem strange, but ive gotten used to this, I put on Calamine lotion every night and wash it off in the morning. Its possible that it does nothing but I feel like it helps stuff heal, including red marks, and idk I think theres a subconscious thing where I like to feel like it helps when im sleeping and when I wake up in the morning I can see some kind of improvement.
My face is still getting better though. I just have two kinda small cysts that are on their way out now. Whats really making my face look better is that my red marks are fading and stuff is healing. The way I look at it is even if fish oil was to never completely eliminate my acne, if it can keep me from getting really bad breakouts that set me back, my face will heal and look just fine. Thats my way of looking at it anyways....its easy to overreact when you get a breakout, like I did, but its already on its way out and the rest of my face is steadily improving so im doing just fine.
I agree that our diets should contain less o-6 and more o-3 than the typical American diet, but I'm really beginning to think this whole idea of simply shooting for a 1:1 ratio is very naive and not optimal. The ratio with regard to the type of acid seems important (i.e. should a diet be of equal amounts linolenic acid and EPA+DHA as a lot of the fish supplementers here are attempting compared to equal amounts of linolenic acid and ALA?). Also, the absolute amounts of each has to be just as important as the ratio. Although this doesn't pertain directly to fish oil (since in already contains the EPA), this abstract is an interesting illustration that absolute amounts are important too:
Conversion of {alpha}-linolenic acid in humans is influenced by the absolute amounts of {alpha}-linolenic acid and linoleic acid in the diet and not by their ratio1,2,3Petra LL Goyens, Mary E Spilker, Peter L Zock, Martijn B Katan and Ronald P Mensink
1 From the Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, Maastricht, Netherlands (PLLG and RPM); the Technical University of Munich, Nuclear Medicine Department, Klinikum rechts der Isar, Germany (MES); the Division of Human Nutrition, Wageningen University, Wageningen, Netherlands (PLZ and MBK); and Wageningen Centre for Food Sciences, Wageningen, Netherlands (PLZ, MBK, and RPM)
Background: Human in vivo data on dietary determinants of {alpha}-linolenic acid (ALA; 18:3n3) metabolism are scarce.
Objective: We examined whether intakes of ALA or linoleic acid (LA; 18:2n6) or their ratio influences ALA metabolism.
Design: During 4 wk, 29 subjects received a control diet (7% of energy from LA, 0.4% of energy from ALA, ALA-to-LA ratio = 1:19). For the next 6 wk, a control diet, a low-LA diet (3% of energy from LA, 0.4% of energy from ALA, ratio = 1:7), or a high-ALA diet (7% of energy from LA, 1.1% of energy from ALA, ratio = 1:7) was consumed. Ten days before the end of each dietary period, [u-13C]ALA was administered orally for 9 d. ALA oxidation was determined from breath. Conversion was estimated by using compartmental modeling of [13C]- and [12C]n3 fatty acid concentrations in fasting plasma phospholipids.
Results: Compared with the control group, ALA incorporation into phospholipids increased by 3.6% in the low-LA group (P = 0.012) and decreased by 8.0% in the high-ALA group (P < 0.001). In absolute amounts, it increased by 34.3 mg (P = 0.020) in the low-LA group but hardly changed in the high-ALA group. Nearly all ALA from the plasma phospholipid pool was converted into eicosapentaenoic acid. Conversion of eicosapentaenoic acid into docosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid hardly changed in the 3 groups and was <0.1% of dietary ALA. In absolute amounts, it was unchanged in the low-LA group, but increased from 0.7 to 1.9 mg (P = 0.001) in the high-ALA group. ALA oxidation was unchanged by the dietary interventions.
Conclusion: The amounts of ALA and LA in the diet, but not their ratio, determine ALA conversion.
From what I've read elsewhere, the essential amounts of EPA and DHA needed are very small compared to what we're supplementing with. Hence, maybe we're better off primarily focusing on lowering the o-6 and LA in our diets to get better ratios than oversupplementing with o-3 to match our current high levels of o-6?
Good find!!
so the incorporation of good fatty acids into the phospholipid bilayer is more depedant on a low o6 diet then it is on a high o6 diet,
very nice.
ive been doing both actually, very low o6 and moderatly high o3 from fish oil. but i dont take any ala like flax although ive been meaning to work in some flax into my supplementation.
only thing is what were doing still seems a little different because epa and dha are already converted. but it still is good to learn about this relationship of low o6 being crucial to how the phospholipids are incorporated into the cell membranes.
Alot of you seem to be using a hell of a dosage. I take by instructions of the product. 2 pills a day at 1200 mg each. Maybe because i don't have as much of a problem??? I just hope it is healthy for you all..:)
I agree that our diets should contain less o-6 and more o-3 than the typical American diet, but I'm really beginning to think this whole idea of simply shooting for a 1:1 ratio is very naive and not optimal. The ratio with regard to the type of acid seems important (i.e. should a diet be of equal amounts linolenic acid and EPA+DHA as a lot of the fish supplementers here are attempting compared to equal amounts of linolenic acid and ALA?). Also, the absolute amounts of each has to be just as important as the ratio. Although this doesn't pertain directly to fish oil (since in already contains the EPA), this abstract is an interesting illustration that absolute amounts are important too:
Conversion of {alpha}-linolenic acid in humans is influenced by the absolute amounts of {alpha}-linolenic acid and linoleic acid in the diet and not by their ratio1,2,3Petra LL Goyens, Mary E Spilker, Peter L Zock, Martijn B Katan and Ronald P Mensink
1 From the Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, Maastricht, Netherlands (PLLG and RPM); the Technical University of Munich, Nuclear Medicine Department, Klinikum rechts der Isar, Germany (MES); the Division of Human Nutrition, Wageningen University, Wageningen, Netherlands (PLZ and MBK); and Wageningen Centre for Food Sciences, Wageningen, Netherlands (PLZ, MBK, and RPM)
Background: Human in vivo data on dietary determinants of {alpha}-linolenic acid (ALA; 18:3n3) metabolism are scarce.
Objective: We examined whether intakes of ALA or linoleic acid (LA; 18:2n6) or their ratio influences ALA metabolism.
Design: During 4 wk, 29 subjects received a control diet (7% of energy from LA, 0.4% of energy from ALA, ALA-to-LA ratio = 1:19). For the next 6 wk, a control diet, a low-LA diet (3% of energy from LA, 0.4% of energy from ALA, ratio = 1:7), or a high-ALA diet (7% of energy from LA, 1.1% of energy from ALA, ratio = 1:7) was consumed. Ten days before the end of each dietary period, [u-13C]ALA was administered orally for 9 d. ALA oxidation was determined from breath. Conversion was estimated by using compartmental modeling of [13C]- and [12C]n3 fatty acid concentrations in fasting plasma phospholipids.
Results: Compared with the control group, ALA incorporation into phospholipids increased by 3.6% in the low-LA group (P = 0.012) and decreased by 8.0% in the high-ALA group (P < 0.001). In absolute amounts, it increased by 34.3 mg (P = 0.020) in the low-LA group but hardly changed in the high-ALA group. Nearly all ALA from the plasma phospholipid pool was converted into eicosapentaenoic acid. Conversion of eicosapentaenoic acid into docosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid hardly changed in the 3 groups and was <0.1% of dietary ALA. In absolute amounts, it was unchanged in the low-LA group, but increased from 0.7 to 1.9 mg (P = 0.001) in the high-ALA group. ALA oxidation was unchanged by the dietary interventions.
Conclusion: The amounts of ALA and LA in the diet, but not their ratio, determine ALA conversion.
From what I've read elsewhere, the essential amounts of EPA and DHA needed are very small compared to what we're supplementing with. Hence, maybe we're better off primarily focusing on lowering the o-6 and LA in our diets to get better ratios than oversupplementing with o-3 to match our current high levels of o-6?
Good find!!
so the incorporation of good fatty acids into the phospholipid bilayer is more depedant on a low o6 diet then it is on a high o6 diet,
very nice.
ive been doing both actually, very low o6 and moderatly high o3 from fish oil. but i dont take any ala like flax although ive been meaning to work in some flax into my supplementation.
only thing is what were doing still seems a little different because epa and dha are already converted. but it still is good to learn about this relationship of low o6 being crucial to how the phospholipids are incorporated into the cell membranes.
Alot of you seem to be using a hell of a dosage. I take by instructions of the product. 2 pills a day at 1200 mg each. Maybe because i don't have as much of a problem??? I just hope it is healthy for you all..:)
Noo, don't do it.
I was taking like 28 pills and ...
I died.
Im back now though, kinda like Jesus. So im taking 5 per meal now. About 30-35. Lets hope I don't die again.