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Posts posted by IchhasseAkne

  1. 15 hours ago, snarkygirl said:
    Theres an explanation for this, in our primal non rational brain, we avoid those with disabilities or disease because in nature, it coulkd be fatal to interact with a sick individual. Supposefly thats part of the halo effect, attractive= good. So they probably don't realize they are doing it. Not that it makes it any less hurtful.


    Plus, people need to realize almost none of the celebrities look like their personas without whole teams of people doing hair extensions, make up, chefs/ personal trainers etc. Fake people like the Housewives and Kardashian have had every type of plastic surgery, laser, electrolysis, spa treatment and on top of that, airbrushing. Anybody can appear to look good if you have endless funds.
    Yes, the Halo Effect.  I read and post a lot on reddit and there are many threads and subs where this is discussed...  That so much of life is affected by it is the strongest evidence that humans are just simply smarter animals...  Animals have no other way of choosing mates other than looks...

    If everyone was really created "equal" in God's image, then why do humans place so much emphasis on what the outside looks like?  If anything, my acne scarring getting worse in the past few years has made me more empathetic for people who don't fit societal beauty norms: whether due to skin conditions, bone structure (i.e. a woman with a very masculine face), accidents such as burns, malice (acid attack victims), etc.  It is very hard to come to terms with how much better good looking men and women are treated by people.

  2. On 7/10/2016 at 6:40 PM, scarredandsad34 said:
     I understand his argument- people that he finds attractive still date him despite his scars. But that's not how he said it. he sure didn't talk about any other good qualities that these women have, other than their looks. He didn't say they are kind, sweet, funny, smart, etc. He just said he gets a tons of hot women and they are dispensable.  Sounds to me like he's shallow himself. And what's up with  "the red head that I put on a bus back to her mother's"? 
    Coming from a 69 year old, this is kinda creepy.

    you are right, I don't want a shallow partner, but I DO want to be able to go live my life without a prominent ugly scar in the middle of my face making me feel like shit everyday and attracting unwanted and negative attention to me. Again, this isn't about looking perfect, it's about looking normal. My face is different now. It holds me back on so many levels (not just dating) and I do not want to accept this. I think that is the point that many others here are saying. Scars suck and they hold them back from dating, jobs, socializing, just being an annonomous fucking person.

    Isn't the entire point of this thread to vent and share the emotional and physiological effects of scarring?

    I think you brought up a great point here.  Scarring on the face can make it much tougher for someone to get jobs, even ones in STEM fields.  Given 2 equally qualified candidates, in terms of education and experience, the hiring manager is subconsciously likely to choose the better looking person because that is who he/she wants to interact with all day.

    The struggles of facial scarring would likely not be as bad if they were only confined to the dating aspect of life.  The fact that they impede and interfere with one's confidence and self esteem in so many other areas of life cannot be marginalized.
    On 7/10/2016 at 10:23 PM, blahblah82 said:

    Scars are terrible, and it all causes us great emotional pain.  But we still have to have perspective. I get that people with severe scars face a tremendous amount of distress, hell I'm one of them.  But for the people on here stressing because of some minor scars, I urge you to guys to do some real soul searching.  

    My cousin that I grew up with was diagnosed with stage 3 ovarian cancer just this week.  She had a total hysterectomy, is now infertile, and about to undergo 4 months of chemo.  The prognosis for her is grim, and I know the pain her family is going through.  

    She is only 32, and now in a battle for her life.  

    I am sorry to hear about what's happening to your cousin.  As you mentioned, seeking and developing greater perspectives on how other people live and the health conditions they face may be beneficial for many of us. 

    The ironic thing about our modern, high-tech and supposedly interconnected world is that we may not actually have as much connection to our communities and neighbors as we think.  Thus, some of us many have limited perspectives and believe that our suffering is much worse than other people's.  It is true that some problems can easily be seen whereas other problems cannot. 

    People should stand together against what really pushes unrealistic beauty standards onto us: the mainstream media and celebrity worship.

  3. What affected me the most (and still does to some extent) in the past 3-4 years was the reaction that some women had upon seeing me...  I have already explained it in other threads but will summarize it here again. 

    Before I had severe acne scarring, women did not have this reaction upon seeing my face.  After my scarring got worse, about 50% of women will do either or both of these actions upon seeing my face: 1) pull their dress/blouse/shirt/suit jacket lapels closed so as to hide their breasts and any cleavage they may have been showing, and 2) pull down their shirt to cover their private area...  The majority of women that had this reaction (which I hope is involuntary and governed by the lizard brain) were women who were mid 30s and plus and they were bank tellers, HR people that I talked with on interviews, etc.  Have they never seen anyone with severe acne scarring before?  Did they think I had a contagious disease?  Did they know my scarring was caused by acne and thus thought I had raging hormones?

    I think I recall seeing only one other member or poster here mention the same reactions happening to him...  I was pretty sure I was not looking at their boobs or waist area when I was talking to them.  I'm not making this up either because when I had clear skin (for a few years after my 2nd course of Accutane in 2008), no one did this when I met them for the first time.

  4. It's been 8 years since my 2nd course of Accutane and I likely have forgotten some of the most important tips to make the process safe and least likely to generate bad side effects.  Please let me know what I am missing from my list below and correct things as needed:

    • Do not take a multi-vitamin that has vitamin A in it; but are other vitamins (zinc, D3, B5, etc ok to take while on Accutane?)
    • Are there any foods that should be avoided while on Accutane?  I think I recall that it mentioned to avoid foods that are naturally high in vitamin A such as carrots.
    • Is it ok to continue my topical treatment regimen (basically the acne.org regimen but with products purchased OTC in local pharmacies) in the initial weeks to month after starting Accutane?
      • I am fairly certain that in both previous courses I had an initial breakout that occurred about 2-3 weeks after starting and it lasted for a few weeks: should I try to use OTC products (like my current topical regimen) to try to control these breakouts until the Accutane starts really working and clearing the skin?
    • I recall using chapstick for the excessively dry lips and the previous 2 courses were during the winter to early spring months when dry skin and lips were already likely to be worse.  This course will be over the summer here.  Is there anything better I should look into for dry lips if they bother me more than before?
    • Is it ok to do summer activities such as hiking, bike riding along the beach, etc. while on Acctuane?  I will make sure to use an SPF 50 or higher sunblock and to bring it with me to reapply as needed

    That is all I can think of for now.  I will be starting the course as soon as my initial blood test results get to the Derm.

  5. On 5/13/2016 at 4:20 PM, WittySock said:

    I was thinking about this a few weeks ago, well not so much about the campaigns specifically, but about how acne is referred to (or not) on tv etc.
    I was re-watching Charmed on Netflix and someone had put a curse on Phoebe's wedding or something like that (decade old spoiler alert there I guess), and so allll these different things were going wrong (wrong dress etc) and they didn't figure it out, but then Phoebe wakes up with acne and they all realise that it must be a curse, because nothing this horrible could possibly happen without a demon cursing them / casting a spell / whatever it was. That made me feel not so great :(

    It's weird that acne is one of the few things that it seems is perfectly acceptable for people to openly judge and make fun of, and I guess that could be  because it is so common? But then for something that is so common it is almost completely invisible in the media. I always think those images in magazines, or accompanying any acne article ever are really funny, where they have a person with completely clear skin looking really worried and with fingers on their face as if about to squeeze... this perfectly clear area of skin. As if acne so taboo it can't even be seen next to a product specifically designed to treat it, or next to an article about it.

    I think it might be because acne (outside of the teen years) is not that common...  Even during the teen years, the people who have moderate to severe acne are far fewer in number than those with mild or occasional acne.

    It seems like people are scared of/disgusted by/make fun of traits or conditions people have that are different and not common among the majority of people they interact with daily.

  6. Link to article: http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/mit-researchers-artificial-skin/

    Even though most of the article mentions Cosmetic and Vanity reasons to use this, I think a more pressing application of this can be for Acne Scar patients!!!  Yes, some people may want to reduce the appearance of wrinkles, lines, under eye area, etc., BUT those in my opinion are all VAIN things - everybody ages and everybody gets older (unless you have the money to continually get plastic surgery....)...  Acne scarring is whole different ballgame however: it truly has much worse psychological effects on the person who has them due to how he/she is treated by other people!  I truly think that we need someone or a group of acne scar sufferers to start reaching out and making our case heard!  We need these technologies more than people who just want to look younger!

    Does anyone else with bad enough acne scarring, such that you get negative (i.e. frightened, or disgusted looks, or negative comments, can't make eye contact, etc.) reactions from other people, feel the same way as I do that we have to start reaching out to the developers of these technologies??  We can't wait for Drs., plastic surgeons, etc. to do it for us because there is a lot of money in doing all sorts of procedures for acne scarring with only tens of % improvement.  This artificial skin layer seems like it could be a good camouflage for atrophic/rolling/boxcar/ and icepick scarring....

  7. Even though severe adult acne and subsequent scarring has made me more empathetic in the past few years, that still only extends to certain conditions.  I am empathetic for people with congenital or developed diseases, but not for people whose disease or condition is a result of their bad choices: i.e. lung cancer due mainly to smoking, liver problems due to drinking, etc.  I, like many of you here I am sure, don't do those things, eat healthier than most people and yet we still have (or had) adult acne/scarring...

    There are foundations and what not even for people with other skin conditions such as eczema, psoriasis, etc.  Acne seems to be the last hold out.

    We need to act now if we want to have a chance to change things for future generations...  We have to end the talk and start to seriously organize creating a foundation for adult acne sufferers...

  8. I have used accutane twice in the past when I had really bad cystic acne. The 1st time was Jr year of high school and then the 2nd course was Sr year of college. I'd say that after each course, the amount/type of acne that inevitably came back was milder and less in number - but it did come back...

    Before my first coure, I had acne on my upper chest, upper shoulders and some on my back; after that course, the acne never really came back on those areas. I took my 2nd course mainly because I was never able to get the acne on my face under control... After the 2nd course, the acne took much longer to come back, but it still did after a year or so, but much milder... I am thankful that my body tolerated both courses well and I had only the most common side effects.

    This past year, I have been using a generic (over the counter) version of the acne.org regimen to keep my face ~ 95% clear, but I still get some annoying blemishes on my face anywhere something contacts it for some time: eyeglasses, goggles (for sports), etc... I have made huge improvements in my diet (~99% dairy, gluten, and alcohol free, and paleo primarily), but can't say for certain if those have helped since I started those serious changes when I started the acne.org topical regimen.

    I am mainly interested in if a 3rd course of Accutane can finally be the knock out punch I need... I thought I was ready to start getting scar treatments and I have had 3 microneedling sessions so far, but it seems like a low-dose course of Accutane may be what I need.. I am also prepared to find another derm since the one I went to for several years may not be up on the times on how low dose "maintenance" course of accutane can really help - I have done months of research on acne.org, here, etc so I really do feel like it is worth trying at this point now that Benzoyl Peroxide seems to be losing its punch (like it has for me in the past).

    Has anyone here taken a 3rd (or more) course of Accutane and actually had it be the knock out punch that you need to finally keep more than the occasional blemish away? I really do feel like adult acne is holding me back in so many areas of life including most importantly finding a job in my field! I am sure that many of you who have adult acne and/or scarring can relate to how most other people treat persons with bad adult skin...

  9. On 4/15/2016 at 8:39 PM, iCogito said:

    Have you moved lately? I used to get those ALL THE TIME after moving. I was freaking out!! I do not wear glasses, just long hair. After I realized it was water, I was able to get rig of those. I started taking my makeup off with special towels and different toners. After every shower,  I dry my face and clean it with the toner ASAP...helps SO MUCH! 

    I have not moved in a few years.   I will try to make sure to dry that area of my face after showering, but I think it is still from some irritation from my glasses...  I think I will try to wear contacts more often, especially if I notice any mark or pimple in that area that can develop into a larger and more inflamed version of itself.

  10. My face is usually ~90% clear these days from using the acne.org regimen.  However, I still sometimes get a pimple where the temple of the eyeglasses touches the skin of my temples...  I am assuming that it is because of some irritation and or pressure.  Lately, one of these pimples on my left temple slightly increases in size (to maybe that of half a dime) and was swollen and red for a few days.  I decided to wear contacts for a day or two to try to allow the pimple to subside faster.

    Are there any over the counter creams or medicines that I can apply to such pimples (the ones that don't come to a whitehead, but swell slightly, are red/then dark red/purple, and last for several days) to heal them faster or make them go away sooner?

  11. I will pray, but I have my doubts that God actually intervenes in people's live in this life....  I do believe that every person who wants to believe and seek God is given a set of life circumstances (be they socioeconomic, ethnicity related, health conditions, etc.) that will lead them to finding God one day - but only if they truly want to.  However, I don't believe that prayer can actually cure things like adult acne, cancer, and other health conditions.

  12. Hi everyone!  I just got back from my 3rd session of CIT + growth factor and my face is redder than an angry tomato!  :-)

    I can say that I have seen some improvement over the past 2 months in terms of what seems like newer collagen growth (and thus shallower scarring), especially on the right cheek area.  The overall color tone of the scarred area may have some slight improvement as well, but that it tougher to tell.

    I am not in a hurry to get too many things done too soon and will not be going in for my followup appt. until 3 months from now.  The aesthetician said that they really want to see how well my skin has responded by then.  At that time, several options will be discussed to addressed leveling off my cheek areas - especially the huge atrophic scarred area on my left cheek.  I am looking into temporary hyaluronic acid (HA) fillers and may get them put in at that time.  The aesthetician also suggested that a chemical peel (medium strength SA or TCA) could be done before getting the fillers put in.

    I am unsure if I should get both of those procedures done on the same day.  Do you think it would be too much done in one day if I got a chemical peel and fillers injected?  I am likely going to lean toward just getting the atrophic areas filled since that makes the scarring look a lot worse....  The overall color tone isn't as important to me.

    Also, is my Dr. right to suggest temporary fillers such as Restalyne versus "permanent" ones like silicone beads or PMMA?  She said that permanent fillers can cause some issues and if they do, they are a hassle to remove....

    As always, I appreciate the knowledge, research, and advice that is available here!

  13. 20 hours ago, jwalk said:

    If I still had bad acne there would be no way in hell that I would go anywhere near a school. I admire your courage. 

    I agree 115%  I cannot imagine the courage that it takes you OP to be in such a role.  It was and is hard enough for me to be in a technical role (working with scientists, engineers, technicians) and many of the people in those roles aren't the best looking... (or else they would be in business or marketing :new_smiley_0:)

  14. I can't say I have seen that in the past 4-5 years, though I haven't gone out in public any more than absolutely necessary.  I became more introverted and thus haven't had as much chance to possibly see if such a couple actually exists where I live....

    When I was more social, during my college years, I also do not recall seeing this coupling.  However, even if I did, it may have simply been that young college aged people still had "leftover" acne from their teen years and their BF/GF understood that...  It def seems like people are less accepting of adult acne (especially on men, since we don't usually cover it up) than they are of late teen/early 20s acne.  How old are you OP btw?

  15. On 3/5/2016 at 3:24 PM, jensweetone said:


    On 3/4/2016 at 4:57 PM, WittySock said:

    Cool topic.
    I agree with you that we tend to have more empathy because of our acne journeys. Well, I guess it seems to go two ways... either empathy or resentment and distance. Hopefully most people experience the first one, or at least come through the resentment eventually and then have more empathy.
    To add in my experience regarding what you were saying about Drs: my GP when I was 16 and suffering from acne told me that when he was younger he suffered from bad acne, so he understood how bad it could make you feel.
    My female GP that I saw recently (over 10 years later) told me that the only thing that cleared up her skin was being pregnant, and that since having her children her skin has been fine. I decided those long term side effects were just too much for me ;)
    So... some Drs have had skin problems. I mean, I think it's more down to genetics than skin care, but I guess you could also argue that being from a privileged background you may be more likely to have great genes because your ancestors have been successful and had the opportunity to breed with good looking people? It's very tenuous...
    If you want to become a Dr (never too old!) then I'm sure your journey would make you a better one :)

    I am glad that you mentioned this as I was a little hesitant to do so.  Based on all that we scientifically know thus far, it does really seem that having acne prone skin is primarily determined by genetics.  As such, it is very tough for living people to accept that since it was something that they had no say in - we don't pick our parents....  Furthermore, the genes for acne prone skin may not even be active in certain generations and can likely skip; additionally, the environment may also to either turn those genes on or keep them off...
    On 3/6/2016 at 4:36 PM, WittySock said:

    I'd say here in the UK there has been a big awareness push over the last 10 years (ish) about mental health issues, especially anxiety and depression. Actually I'm pretty sure that depression is now in the top 3 diagnoses made by GPs each year (possibly even over diagnosed now tbh). So I think here there is more of an understanding around the mental health issues that can accompany other problems than there used to be. Nothing is perfect though of course. And as you can see above, I have been pretty lucky with my GP's understanding. I'm afraid I don't know enough about the healthcare system in the US to know how different attitudes might be there.

    In any case, I definitely don't underestimate the impact of having free healthcare in this country in terms of mental state. While it is frustrating for me to have tried many different medications over several years, but I cannot even imagine how much worse it would be if each of those failures was costing me a lot of money, and the added anxiety not knowing if insurance would cover the next thing etc. (not dissing your guys' healthcare system or anything, I just imagine the cost issue can easily cause extra anxiety)

    Don't worry - with each passing month and year, more and more Americans are realizing how much our healthcare system sucks compared to the systems in other first world advanced nations....

  16. On 3/4/2016 at 4:57 PM, WittySock said:

    Cool topic.
    I agree with you that we tend to have more empathy because of our acne journeys. Well, I guess it seems to go two ways... either empathy or resentment and distance. Hopefully most people experience the first one, or at least come through the resentment eventually and then have more empathy.
    To add in my experience regarding what you were saying about Drs: my GP when I was 16 and suffering from acne told me that when he was younger he suffered from bad acne, so he understood how bad it could make you feel.
    My female GP that I saw recently (over 10 years later) told me that the only thing that cleared up her skin was being pregnant, and that since having her children her skin has been fine. I decided those long term side effects were just too much for me ;)

    I def agree that those are the two general paths that adult acne sufferers can take.  It is only human to feel resentment, anger, and bitterness early on, especially after having tried so many things over the years to get rid of one's acne and/or decrease one's scarring...  I believe that simply with enough time (and maybe research and exposure to the lives of other people,not only in one's own city, state, or nation, but people around the world)  most people will realize that they aren't helping themselves by being bitter and negative about their situation.  During this transition period, they can likely develop greater empathy for others as they come to an acceptance of their having one of the most difficult to treat physical conditions.

    I, as well as the other members here who are 30+, can certainly still say that there are still times when I feel down about it even though I have mostly arrived at the state of acceptance over the years.  I mainly feel a bit angered at medical science and how it is still not advanced enough to prevent adult acne in the first place or easily cure the scars that many of us have after we stop (if we stop) getting active acne...  If there is any way for us to organize something, I think we have to do it for the sake of our mental health - many Dr's still don't believe that adult acne and scarring can lead to mental health conditions including anxiety, depression, BDD, OCD, suicidal ideation, etc.  So many of them it seems do not take adult acne as seriously as other conditions which can lead to physical disfigurement.


  17. OP, do not despair.  I recently turned 30 and have never had a GF before.  I am white/asian so the scarring I have is also easily visible...

    Please try your best to focus on the transition from college to the real working world and try not to focus as much on getting women.  I have read that bit of advice in so many places across many forums on the net.  Make the best life for yourself in terms of career, hobbies, social network.

  18. To briefly summarize what I have posted in other threads:  I took two course of accutane, the 1st Jr year of high school when I first got cystic acne that seemingly came out of nowhere; and the second Sr year of college.  I took the 2nd course of accutane because the acne slowly but surely came back on my face and I did not have the best skin care routine for in between the accutane courses.  I did not know of this site or much else on where to search for the info and thus went through so much of what so many of us have gone through: tried numerous topicals, antibiotics, etc.

    After my second course of accutane, I was feeling at the highest point in my life thus far (and possibly the highest point ever now that I have some perspective looking back).  My skin was totally clear with very minimal scarring and I was graduating from a technical college and about to start internships and work.   For reasons, I mentioned in other threads, I was not really interested in dating until my mid-20s.  The irony is that even after the 2nd course of accutane, my skin was only clear for about 2.5 years and then acne slowly started coming back.  As usual I went back to the Derm to get put on all sorts of stuff like antibiotics, adapalene, differin, etc.  Those things all seemed to be work but eventually stop working after a few months....  As my looks got worse over the course of the past few years (mid 20s to now, I'm 30), I became more interested in dating!  Needless to say it has been tough for me these past few years.   I have some pretty bad scarring that I am trying to get fixed and my new breakouts are mainly controlled today using a generic store brand version of the acne.org regimen.

    I truly know the pain that many of you feel daily in your battles with adult acne and scarring.  When I look back on the past 4-5 years, I try to see the positive ways in which my adult acne has humbled me:

    • I may have become just another "good looking asshole" if my skin stayed as clear as it was at the end of my 2nd accutane course.  I certainly had some personality quirks and beliefs that may have led in that direction.  I could have become more self-centered and even narcissistic.  However, today, I have much more empathy for people that deal with adult acne/scarring and also with easily seen physical disfigurements.  Furthermore, since such physical conditions usually cause mental health issues, I also can empathize with people who have mental health conditions as well.
    • I never really would have improved my diet if my face and skin had remained that clear.  For many years in my 20s, I was eating a typical western diet filled with pizza, fried chicken, sugary treats, soda, alcohol, etc. with only the smattering here and there of healthy foods.  These days I am going strong on a commitment to a dairy-free, paleo and gluten free, low Glycemic Load diet that I started more than half a year ago.  I can't say that it has directly helped in reducing any new acne (since I concurrently started the acne.org regimen at that time), but I can say that I really do feel it has improved my overall health.  I allow myself a cheat day every month to two months though for stuff like pizza because it is so tough to avoid!
    • I don't sweat the small stuff anymore such as road rage from other drivers, traffic jams, broken item in a delivered package, etc.
    • At my last CIT procedure, I mentioned to the nurse how it always seemed to me that Drs and Derms especially always had the best looking skin....  I asked her if she knew any Drs that had or have adult acne and she couldn't think of any.  Without sounding too blunt, it is safe to assume that most people that become Drs come from privileged backgrounds and thus can probably afford the best skin care.  Anyway, it got me thinking that perhaps a Dr who actually have lived through conditions in the field he wants to specialize in may actually be better able to relate to patients with those conditions....   I know that it is a long shot for me since I am probably too old to start med school, but the thought has crossed my mind.

    Anyway, I just wanted to mention some of the positive ways in which my struggle has changed me.  Please feel free to comment if you believe that your struggle has also changed you for the better.

  19. I will simply say this: the effects of acne and/or scarring on how strangers interact with you cannot be denied. I am not imagining different treatment that I receive compared to people without an obvious disfigurement.

    For example, a few years out of college (post my 2nd course of Accutane), my skin was the best it has been in 10 years.  I usually went t bars and such by myself and looking back, I did notice that some women noticed me.  As I was walking away a  bar once, I walked past a group of 3 young women and I just kept walking.  I heard one of them say "maybe he is gay"  as if they were expecting me to try to talk or walk with them and then buy them some drinks...  Back when my skin was the best it has been in 10 years, I was still a virgin, very socially awkward (due to going to a 75% male technical college and mainly being introverted).  As such I did not have the burning desire to seek out and talk to women - if I felt tension, I just jerked off.

    However, by my mid 20s, I was starting to get impatient about still being a virgin and thus decided to take matters into my own hands and start seeing escorts.  Anyway, I learned quite a bit about the physical aspects of sex, but not much really about the emotional aspects and how to really talk to women.  Anyway, coincidentally (or maybe not, since God might be punishing my sinful behavior), around my mid 20s my acne scarring started to get worse, especially the large atrophic scar on my left cheek....   So as I became more interested in dating and have a burning desire to have sex with them, I haven't met one woman yet who could see past my acne scars....    Oh the irony....