Subcision/cross progress - before/after

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Hey,

Wanted to share a progress report for subcision/phenol cross. This is my 2nd subcision however it's my first subcision/aspirin/suction; the other subcision produced no visible results except on my jaw line, which isn't captured in the pictures. Before picture taken prior to first subcision.

The pictures may be in (almost) the same lighting but it's difficult to get the same angle - hope it gives a general idea. Left side has texture issues I can forget about; the big crater is mostly gone. If I can improve my right side another 50%, I'll probably be done. On my right side, all the scars are still there but the shapes of many have changed. Surprisingly the temple scars improved quite nicely (not captured). Everything so far looks like it's going in the right direction; still have mild bruising and lumps mainly on the right side so I expect it to get a bit worse. I'll get another picture in 30 days; I'm not certain these results will hold - fingers crossed.

Downtime was 3.5 weeks, started suction day 5 - day 8 depending on area for 2 weeks. Aspirin daily 1 week prior to procedure, and daily after the swelling went down. Without aspirin/suction, downtime was shy of 2 weeks. With aspirin, I can say the swelling amplified significantly compared to the first subcision. For suctioning, the Korean branded cups from Amazon work really well.

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Edit 8/30/2018 - note: skin was still swollen in above picture.

48 hour picture, swelling has died down significantly from day 1. I believe there were 4 insertion points, temple, cheek, neck area, and the line you see under the cheek.
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Edit 8/30/2018: Found some good pictures - adding in for future comparisons. These before shots were taken around July 15, 2017 after I had Mixto x4, 2 vials of HA filler, a poorly performed "subcision" x2, and many microneedling treatments. 

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I would love to see how your temples turned out.  They are my biggest concern ATM and I've been hesitating wayy too long to get my treatment. 

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Not expensive relative to laser treatments - I'd call in to get the quote. Dr. Rullan's office is open about their pricing model.

At this point one session of subcision + suction has shown probably equivalent improvement to all treatments I had in the past. Here's where I'm at with my right side around day 60. I made a mistake on my downtime - I didn't see that I was still quite bruised under certain lighting conditions; I was bruised to the cheek bone. Massaging it daily has helped and the real downtime was around 50 - 60 days. 

Below image shows where I'm currently at. I don't think this picture shows it, but my scarring has improved substantially, especially in the temples. The scars are all still there but a lot has flattened out. It didn't do anything for non-tethered scars.

I've an infini scheduled and will post every month or so. If someone can comment on whether or not I could benefit from another subcision, much appreciated. 

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Lots of improvement, congrats! How long does it take to heal completely? Like as in how long do I have to wait before scheduling an interview with a job or say, a date  for the skin to look normal (no bruising etc). I have the same skin tone, etc

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@Scarredtodepression Hi there, as I have mentioned many times on the board, healing times vary per person. They are not universal. He may be quick and you may be slower. I would use a concealer or something like dermablend to cover the bruised areas or a tinted moisturizer (yes guys use this too after medical procedures). After a few days you could go back to work and go out. Your just covering the treated area. I don't think most people would go on a Date directly after treatment as the body is slow to heal and we would not naturally look our best. You have to do a few treatments to gain the level of improvement you desire. 
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21 hours ago, labellavita1985 said:

Are subcision and phenol cross done at the same time to the same scars?

Phenol first, then subcision, same procedure. The phenol was as advertised, improved certain scars by maybe 15%, didn't make any scars larger. Will need several more. It has helped reduce some of the shallow, sharp border edges of certain scars.

 
3 hours ago, Scarredtodepression said:

Lots of improvement, congrats! How long does it take to heal completely? Like as in how long do I have to wait before scheduling an interview with a job or say, a date  for the skin to look normal (no bruising etc). I have the same skin tone, etc

I'd go with beautifulambition's rec of using make up. It takes forever to go away. 
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Great improvement, thanks for sharing.


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On 4/16/2018 at 7:19 AM, f93d said:

Below image shows where I'm currently at. I don't think this picture shows it, but my scarring has improved substantially, especially in the temples. The scars are all still there but a lot has flattened out. It didn't do anything for non-tethered scars.

I've an infini scheduled and will post every month or so. If someone can comment on whether or not I could benefit from another subcision, much appreciated.


Has it been 3 months yet since the last subcision? My view is that it's better to milk the cow to the last drop before getting another treatment, otherwise you just might mess up the milk flow. 

It appears that a few scars on your cheek are still relatively deep and you would be better off getting another subcision. You'll want to fill those pits as much as possible before switching to Infini, which doesn't do much for deeper scars. If you have the money, I also encourage you to get some dermal filler, at least for those deeper ones. Fillers can also stimulate collagen production.
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These improvements were definitely worth it, if you respond this well to treatment, i think youll be set after a few more. Thats awesome. Super jealous and happy for you!

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Is phenol cross the same as tca cross? Im having a hard time finding anything on phenol cross. Wit so you were bruised for about 60 days from a subcision??

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On 4/28/2018 at 8:06 AM, Amp2695 said:

Is phenol cross the same as tca cross? Im having a hard time finding anything on phenol cross. Wit so you were bruised for about 60 days from a subcision??


It's supposed to have less adverse effects and produce better results. However I read that publication a while back and remember thinking the sample size was small. Originally I was scheduled for tca cross, however the doc was confident w/ phenol, so I agreed. 

For the bruising, I can still see a tint today on a portion of the right cheek; it mostly died out by day 60 but was still somewhat noticeable. From reading other subcision posts on this forum, it seems my bruising duration is on the upper end. 

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I went ahead with an Infini treatment Thursday, 2.5 months from last treatment; downtime is looking like around 6 days.

Going forward I plan to wait 3 months and get subcision/cross followed by filler.
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58 minutes ago, f93d said:

It's supposed to have less adverse effects and produce better results. However I read that publication a while back and remember thinking the sample size was small. Originally I was scheduled for tca cross, however the doc was confident w/ phenol, so I agreed. 

For the bruising, I can still see a tint today on a portion of the right cheek; it mostly died out by day 60 but was still somewhat noticeable. From reading other subcision posts on this forum, it seems my bruising duration is on the upper end. 

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I went ahead with an Infini treatment Thursday, 2.5 months from last treatment; downtime is looking like around 6 days.

Going forward I plan to wait 3 months and get subcision/cross followed by filler.
hmm I'm going to do more research on phenol cross, was there a % ? for example i had tca cross w 100% tca. 
yea 60 days of bruising is quite a lot. i remember getting an aggressive sub + a co2 back in 2014 in one day and i was all well a week later. hope you see awesome results from the sub tho. yea your plan sounds solid.
yea i had an infini rf about 1 month ago. (deepest at 2.5mm), i was swollen and red for about 1 week. Grid marks are still slightly visible. One or two burn marks also visible. still hopeful tho. Would you say the phenol cross did "fill in your ice picks" considerably or no?
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@f93d   How would you describe the current state of your skin?  Is the improvement still holding mostly?  Those pics were impressive, but of course there was still swelling present.

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Don't give up on us. let us know what worked and what didn't. I understand sometimes people (myself included) can get very any and skeptical, etc. but its the nature of having these damn scars. 
Thanx ,man.

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On 6/4/2018 at 3:14 PM, Amp2695 said:

update?


Experience with Infini:
Final downtime was about 10 days, back out in public after several days. ~ 2 weeks later it seemed like many of the scars were more sunken in. Since then my skin has restored back to normal.

Temple improvement not as good as I originally saw - unfortunately it may have been long term swelling. Subcision bruise right side hasn't healed yet - still see a tint with a camera picture. Left side still has a brown mark from a subcision incision point. 

Overall I like the direction my skin is headed in. On my left side, I think sculptra and a few peels/cross for texture will achieve my desired results (large shallow pitting/volume loss + terrible texture).  On my right side I need to figure out how to fill those pits in. Subcision/suction helped significantly on the cheeks, the jaw/neck area, but not so much on the temples nor areas close to the mouth. Some scars have changed shape but visually do not look any better. Texture is slightly better but needs work. It's hard to gauge as some days the skin just looks worse than other days. I'm not sure the improvement is substantial enough that it'll show up on camera. Will see how the skin builds over the following months.

I'll update again in several months. Plan is to get sculptra, subcision + filler (right side only), RF needling, cross in no particular order but will start with a session of sculptra next week. I'm done with subcision/suction and will opt for HA filler instead; this will likely be my last subcision.

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Got pictures today. Had Sculptra 1 vial 5 - 6 weeks ago + 0.3 vials HA filler placed in temples.

I don't like these pictures but I do like the progress I see in the mirror. Still a long way to go.

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its hard to tell of the progress from these pics but i do understand that in person they are probably way better. How much % would you say you got? 

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4 minutes ago, Amp2695 said:

its hard to tell of the progress from these pics but i do understand that in person they are probably way better. How much % would you say you got? 


In this lighting condition (dark room + spotlight LED) little to no improvement. The problem with this lighting in my opinion is a shallow scar casts a deep shadow, just like a deep scar. 

In other lighting conditions like @ work in the bathroom (florescent), huge improvement - I was ecstatic after looking at it recently. I wish there was a better way to measure scar depth and size for the layman.

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Had cannula subcision, phenol, needling 2 weeks ago. It's unlikely I'll ever want nokor again; cannula subcision hits all the scars in one treatment rather than just certain areas, and I'm not bruised for months. Also only 2 incision points!

I figured a downtime timeline might help some people here plan their treatments around school or work, so here is mine. To those who are flying in for the procedure and flying out same day - :smileys_n_people_105: :smileys_n_people_9:. The face looks absolutely terrible right after treatment. The 24 hour picture, swelling has already reduced considerably.

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It may be early to post results but here's where I'm at. Same lighting, different angles.

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