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On November 30, 2015 at 9:23:14 PM, Zanette said:

Hey WishClean,

Thanks for replying to my post. I always love reading your comments. Actually I have already been taking inositol for 4 weeks. Your positive opinion helped me to start to take it. I have no idea if I' ve IR so I was a bit scared, but only after 4-5 days taking my hair fall completely stopped and my acnes cleared up significantly. Because it improved my skin and my hair so quickly I suppose I have IR but I' ll make sure to get it tested next week. Unfortunately in the facial hair I don't see any change, obviously it takes more time for me, I just really hope it will help. I've been taking the myo-inositol in powder form, sometimes so hard to mesaure it precisely because more than1/8  teaspoon gives me headache. Divided it for two times per day works perfectly but I am considering if I should try the d-chiro inositol as well. I think here in Europe is even more expensive especially the chiral balance which is the only one I find good and I am afraid of the headaches. Is  that very strong compared to the myo? Did it help you more? The chiral balance was ok but it gave me some mood swings so I decided to stick with myo. I think the dosage was a bit strong for me

oh, and the blood test, yes you're right it's not sure it will show increased androgens, I know because in the beginning few yers ago when I noticed the hormonal imbalance I got it made and was 'normal' according to my doctor, he said no other choice, only diane pill, stupidly I started taking and it really helped, very mild facial and body hair, no acne at all, nice hair, so actually I was happy and did't look for other options,  but half year ago I decided to stop it(one of the main reason was the like almost zero libido) and of course every symptom came back. Fortunately thank to you :) the acne and hair problems are solved only the facial hair left which is maybe the most irritating for me. So now I think I have to make a blood test again(saliva is apperently better but here is crazy expensive to check all hormones) and if the glucose tolerance test shows positive I might be closer to find out the reason. (But I wanna check thhroid as well and everything what I can, even the ultrasound what you suggested.) The reduction of body/ facial hair was definitely one of the biggest advantages to taking inositol as well. Actually, in clinical studies, it was shown to be as effective, if not more, than prescription medication for hirsutism.

Yes you're right, there are so many choices of supplements and herbals to try if one doesn't work you can look for another, the only problem that it really takes time :) I read that even if you are in balance and found the right supplements/herbals and diet and your hormones work fine, the hirsutism can take 6-12 months to decrease, fortunately acne is much less.

Have you ever tried magnesium? (Magnesium glycinante or bisglycinate) It seems to be very convincing.

-magnesium regulates cortisol, lowers blood sugar, supports thyroid, aids sleep, fuels cellular energy, makes hormones, activates vitamin D, and magnesium is anti-aging as well. Yes, I tried it..it didn't hurt, but I don't think it did anything for my skin.

It's safe and highly recommended for PCOS. I'm going to order to try, then I can update about it.

What C vitamin do you take? I have hard time to find non-acid, raw type. At the moment I only take sea buckthorn which is supposed to have vitamin C. Anyway absolutly fantastic supplement, I love it, it makes my skin and my hair so soft, Omega 7 is indeed a beauty vitamin. I take either Nature's Aid Low Acid Vitamin C (EU brand) or Nature's Way Whole Food Vitamin C (US brand). They are easier to digest and gentle on the stomach.

I'm confused about the DIM, I don't think I have symptomps for estrogen dominance, f.e, I don't have apple shape, and I don't suffer from heavy period. I only have very mild PMS and don't have breast pain.  Although I have sunspots on my face, especially under my eyes (another challange to keep it under control particularly in the summer) but those appeared during I was on the pill. Would you recommend the DIM in this case? I can't say for sure, you can stick with what you are taking right now...no need to overload your body because if you take too many supplements, you won't know what's working and what doesn't.  I incorporate supplements one at a time now - in the past, I used to start taking multiple things and wouldn't know what works and what doesn't.

Thanks for reminding me to the importance of the water, sometimes I really forget about that. I've never tried acupuncture, but sounds exciting. 

I'd like to ask you about electrolysis. I remember you mentioned that you are doing it in one of your previous post. Is it working?  Does it leave scabs/scars on your skin? I' m just so scared of that and the lack of experience of the electrologist. How painful is it? My biggest problem is that here there are places with only laser and IPL but no way I would try those in hormone related places. I already checked the electrolysis home kits (there are only 2 types in Amazon, anyway.). The reviews are not really convincing, that's sure but it's not expensive and I desperately want to get rid of few hairs from my thighs, so I am just hesitating. Yes, electrolysis can leave scabs and cause breakouts/ redness, so it's important to find a good professional. I usually apply witch hazel afterwards to minimize redness. I try not to put anything thick like a cream or lotion right after electrolysis because it can clog the pores and lead to breakouts. I always tell the aesthetician to avoid creams/ lotions. You can use a bit of Emla numbing cream before electrolysis if it's too painful. I don't recommend home kits (not the same heat currency as professional ones, plus you can actually damage your skin if you do it yourself), IPL , or any type of red light on hormonal hair growth.

Thank you so much for your help. I do really appreciate it.  Your experiments and expertise are amazing :) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Current regimen: garlic supplements  & turmeric [as needed, for antioxidants, both are AMAZING for skin], Enzymedica gluten blocker/ digestive enzymes [as needed], nicadan [the only vitamin presciption I take -1/2 per day works well], DIM (needed), inositol (very rarely nowadays - no longer needed as my PCOS is balanced). Also trying herbs for adrenal fatigue. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using BioClin and other products), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency & lactic acid peel facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

 

** Find the cause, find the cure **

** If you have a question for me, please ask it publicly so that others can benefit from the discussion**

 

 


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16 hours ago, WishClean said:

I responded to your post in red ^ ^

Thank you for your reply! It helped me a lot.

 

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If I have normal testosterone, but high DHEA-s would the inositol not help?  My estradiol estrogen is normal, and not sure about progesterone.  I do know that progesterone caused my late cycle to induce, but I had also had three very short cycles prior.  So confusing!  My OB just recommends Lo Estrin and spiro for acne.  Vitamin D also seems to be causing my breakouts to worsen. 

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On 11/18/2016 at 2:09 PM, Hls1209 said:

If I have normal testosterone, but high DHEA-s would the inositol not help?  My estradiol estrogen is normal, and not sure about progesterone.  I do know that progesterone caused my late cycle to induce, but I had also had three very short cycles prior.  So confusing!  My OB just recommends Lo Estrin and spiro for acne.  Vitamin D also seems to be causing my breakouts to worsen. 


Vitamin D makes me breakout too. I switched to prescription strength D2 (not D3) at one point and it gradually helped get my D levels up. Now I use transdermal Vitamin D lotion because I don't do well on over the counter D3 supplements.
Inositol can still help you - no way to say for sure unless you try it. Also look into DIM.
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Current regimen: garlic supplements  & turmeric [as needed, for antioxidants, both are AMAZING for skin], Enzymedica gluten blocker/ digestive enzymes [as needed], nicadan [the only vitamin presciption I take -1/2 per day works well], DIM (needed), inositol (very rarely nowadays - no longer needed as my PCOS is balanced). Also trying herbs for adrenal fatigue. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using BioClin and other products), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency & lactic acid peel facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

 

** Find the cause, find the cure **

** If you have a question for me, please ask it publicly so that others can benefit from the discussion**

 

 


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Bumping this to see if anyone is still reading this thread...
The mods said it was ok to create a pinned thread with natural/ holistic ways of balancing hormones, so I'd like to know if you would be interested in starting that thread and reading my 2 cents.


Current regimen: garlic supplements  & turmeric [as needed, for antioxidants, both are AMAZING for skin], Enzymedica gluten blocker/ digestive enzymes [as needed], nicadan [the only vitamin presciption I take -1/2 per day works well], DIM (needed), inositol (very rarely nowadays - no longer needed as my PCOS is balanced). Also trying herbs for adrenal fatigue. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using BioClin and other products), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency & lactic acid peel facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

 

** Find the cause, find the cure **

** If you have a question for me, please ask it publicly so that others can benefit from the discussion**

 

 


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On 6/3/2017 at 2:49 AM, WishClean said:

Bumping this to see if anyone is still reading this thread...
The mods said it was ok to create a pinned thread with natural/ holistic ways of balancing hormones, so I'd like to know if you would be interested in starting that thread and reading my 2 cents.

I am, very helpful thank you

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Hello ladiez,

I hope you are all doing well.

Sorry for not updating you earlier! I had to open a new account because I could not get into my old one, but I was previously in this thread.

Since I started taking myo-inositol 2 years ago, I still have some problems with excess hair in unwanted places.... I now also have some signs of estrogen dominance as well. I actually do have some melasma on the face, looking a little like the "pregnancy mask" although I am not pregnant right now. I have fibroids now causing problems as well.

I am on a very low dose of myo each morning, just a small fraction of a teaspoon, so I am not sure it is causing this at all.

I was always slim, with the my fat on the legs and hips, almost no breasts or stomach fat, but in the past 2 years, I have gained a lot of fat on the stomach and actually some fat on the breasts too lol. And the symptoms of androgen dominance continue too......

I have tried acupuncture and tried asking doctors, but they said my symptoms of androgen dominance are fine and normal, and would not prevent me from getting pregnant (without actually doing any tests!). I even went to a naturopathic doctor, but was told that since I am ovulating every month they would not want to add anything else like vitex because things could actually be worse, and even said there is no reason for me to continue with inositol. All I am taking is the small dose of myo and fish oil with vitamin D in it.

I would like to go to bed early and not eat late at night or sugary foods, etc. but socially it is impossible.

And, as usual, no doctor cares about me lol. I cannot convince any doctor to try to help me and the natural doctor gives me the impression they do not feel competent with my case, referring me to conventional doctors instead, who never take me seriously. I asked if acupuncture could change the estrogen-progesterone balance to increase progesterone and was told no, because I am already ovulating every month.

Unfortunately, I miscarried this year possibly due to the hormonal imbalance the doctors did not care to treat, and now I am still waiting to start a new cycle to start acupuncture again and check my hormones.

My suspicion is that I am ovulating late, causing my progesterone to be low, and I plan to ask the acupuncturist to try something for ovulating earlier.

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Very interesting I haven't been able to go through all the responses as therthink are so many but i think I rather try inositol before something like vitex affecting hormones . I've read inositols ability on reducing insulin spikes in bloodstream therefore reducing chronic inflammation --> thus reducing acne . My problem is mainly has cystic acne jawline and some cheeks and gets worse just before my cycle don't know if that means I have low progesterone levels .

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On 2013/10/12 at 0:25 PM, WishClean said:

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Ok ladies (sorry, this might not apply to men), after a LOT of research, I have been using inositol (myo-inositol in powder form) for about 2 months now and I wanted to wait at least this long so that I can be sure that this is not a temporary fix. Inositol's benefits are extensively discussed on PCOS forums, but haven't recently been discussed on acne.org so I thought this might help some of you who do not want to take bcp or other hormonal treatments or would like to supplement hormonal treatments with inositol. Basically, inositol is a B vitamin but it's not typically included in B-complexes anymore because it can be produced inside the body. However, recent studies showed that women with PCOS or other hormonal imbalances might be deficient in inositol, so in my opinion inositol functions as a pro-hormone rather than just a vitamin (as does vitamin D). I have PCOS and low progesterone, and I also have symptoms of estrogen excess and high androgens, that's why I thought this would be a good multi-tasker.

 

What I noticed the first month and then 2nd month of using inositol:

 

1. Reduction of facial fuzz/hair (reduction confirmed by my esthetician) - inositol is also supposed to help with hair growth on scalp, but I haven't noticed too much of a change so far.

2. Reduction of numbness in extremities (this was a bonus - inositol can benefit the nervous system)

3. Better sleep, less insomnia (another bonus)

4. Fewer flare ups, pimples taking less time to heal (I noticed this about 3 weeks into it). PMS breakout was less severe last month and healed in 2 days. This month I skipped my ovulation breakout, which hasn't happened in over 1 year! Face feels flat, no pimples under the surface, just a lot of hyperpigmentation, red marks and scars (but at this point, I'll take what I can get).

5. My blood flow during my period is more normal

 

I should add that I'm also doing other things to control my acne because some of it is triggered by high histamines. What else I'm going: vitamin D prescription (3rd month), vitamin C twice a day, digestive enzymes with large meals, low histamine diet, gluten-free, low carb, low sugar, added more meat to diet, reduced grains. I also get regular facials with aloe peels, high frequency and red/blue light treatments. I think hitting acne from various angles is the most successful approach. One supplement or pill might not fix all your issues, and might even create new hormonal imbalances. Stress management and regular exercise are also important. Just because you are taking something for your acne, doesn't mean you can be unhealthy in other aspects and just rely on a pill to do all the work.

 

Anyway, just wanted to mention inositol as another option for you, with NO side effects at the recommended dosage. You have to work your way to the recommended dosage, which is 1/4 teaspoon per day. I started with 1/8 and felt a bit dizzy the first few times, but now I take about 1/4 teaspoon split into 2 doses twice a day. Inositol is water soluble, so it's best to divide your dosage. Don't take too much - less is more in this case and BE PATIENT. Do some research on it, most studies were done in Europe (Mediterranean). And speaking from experience, mediterranean women with PCOS have some of the most stubborn and persistent symptoms (like facial hair and acne), so it's very promising that they saw results in the studies between 8 weeks - 6 months.

Benefits of myo-inositol according to the Miscarriage Research Website:

 

  • restores normal ovulatory activity
  • increases fertilization rate
  • prevents spina bifida birth defect
  • lowers free testosterone (research has shown up to a 73% reduction)
  • lowers total testosterone (as much as 65% reduction)
  • lowers LH (as much as 55% reduction)
  • lowers insulin response after meals (as much as 62% reduction)
  • lowers DHEA-S (as much as 49% reduction)
  • increases SHBG (as much as 92% increase)
  • lowers androstenedione (as much as 27% reduction)
  • lowers triglycerides (as much as 51% reduction)
  • lowers blood pressure (minor decrease)
  • increases peak progesterone (129% increase in one study)
Examine.com's page on inositol has been updated with more research. They also gave it a high rating for acne! However, there's no sufficient evidence on whether it can help men as well...

http://examine.com/s...ments/Inositol/


If you are interested, please read the following clinical studies and medical articles on the many benefits of inositol.

 

  1. Unfer V, Carlmango G, Dante G, Facchinetti F (2012) Effects of myo-inositol in women with PCOS: a systematic review of randomized controlled trials. Gynecol Endocrinol 28(7):509-15.
  1. Gerli S, Papleo E, Ferrari A, Renzo GC (2007) Randomized, double blind placebo-controlled trial: effects of Myo-inositol on ovarian function and metabolic factors in women with PCOS. European Review for Medical and Pharmacological Sciences 11: 347-354.
  1. Zacchè MM, Caputo L, Filippis S, Zacchè G, Dindelli M, Ferrari A (2009) Efficacy of myo-inositol in the treatment of cutaneous disorders in young women with polycystic ovary syndrome. Gynecol Endocrinol 25(8):508-13.
  1. Lam S, McWilliams A, leRiche J, MacAulay C, Wattenberg L, Szabo E (2006) A Phase I Study of myo-Inositol for Lung Cancer Chemoprevention. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 15: 1526.

And my question is: Why the *&%# aren't there more studies on this, and why do doctors underestimate it as a supplement? Well, because then pharmaceutical companies would go broke, that's why. I had to see several doctors recently for some other health issues, and when they asked how I managed to get my acne under control and I said I was taking inositol they had no idea what it was. It just goes to show you that you need to do your research before relying on mainstream treatments that can have serious side effects.

Hi Wishclean~ There is my story:

I’m suffering from moderate acne with very oily skin since I was 14. I tried birth control pills (brand name : Gracial) which works great but when I came off the pill my face reruns break out like crazy after few months.

I started using Dan’s regimen on year 2009 (not on birth control or other meds) I was 23, it took 6 months to achieve complete clean, yes! It was a completely clear face.

I kept using it until year 2010, I suddenly stopped using this regimen because my friend recommends me to join some facial course which I did and that was totally a fail…. My skin was ruined at the time. When I was trying to start Dan’s regimen again to save my skin, I think because my face was too bad so I used too much BP at the beginning, my face was burned red and dry which made it look much more severe. I was so upset and I was scared to go out of my house I even quit my job because I looked terrible. 

Again I started birth control again…. cleared skin again in 4+ months.

2012, I decide to quit birth control because I think it will affect fertility ability. I used Chinese medication, it only can control it but not clearing my skin at all.

2013, I start Dan’s regimen again, but this time no matter how exact I follow the instruction, my face just never get clear, it can only control from getting worse. My acne moved from my forehead+cheek to jawline+chin. I will get big cystic acne on my chin near my ears and jawline before/after my period. I also have hair loss.  

2015, I was having 13 days of period one month and I never had this experience before, so I went to the doctor, she prescribe me duphaston to increase my progesterone since she thinks that’s the reason why my period never end. Which works means she is right.

2015 to 2016, since then I’m have longer period than before, I will get 3 to 4 days spotting before actual flow(3days) and 3 to 4 days spotting after, so totally 10 days period. And hair loss is getting worse due to grease, i need to wash my hair everyday.

2017 June, due to stress, poor diet and lack of sleep, my skin broke out severely on my chin suddenly , very big cystic acne even I’m still using Dan’s regimen, seems it doesn’t help the hormonal acne anymore. I even got cold sore near my mouth, I hate that. And I keep losing my hair since it's getting very greasy.

I knew something is wrong with my hormone and immune system, so I did some researching about balancing hormone and I decide to try herbs to regulate my period and hope it can fix my hormone. Here is my herbs and supplements routine:

8:00   Nature’s way vitex 800mg

9:00   Thorne zinc picolinate 12mg

12:00  NOW foods Inositol 1000mg

13:30  Nature’s way Dim Plus 100mg
14:30  Spearmint tea 1 or 2 cups

18:00  Jarrow Formulas, Jarro-Dophilus EPSx 1cap

20:00  Thorne liver cleanse 430mg
 

 

 

 

 

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@WishClean I just ordered inositol bc I get crazy hormonal acne right around ovulation just until my cycle starts . Do you recommend taking inositol everyday or only during a few days out of the cycle ? 

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