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I know Smoothbeam has been covered back and forth in a lot of different threads. However, most of these threads aren't as active anymore so I wanted ask two questions where I thought more people may respond.

I had my first treatment last night. The tech said they do three passes with progressivley higher settings. She started on 8,9 & 10. Before she came in the candella treatment guide was laying out and I grabbed it to read but she came in to start so I had to put it down. Anyway, I know there has been a lot of talk here on how anything less than 12 won't produce results for scarring. My question is when you are having settings of 12 and up are you also having multiple passes? Do you think lower settings but multiple passes could work as well? I'm thinking of going somewhere new next time if there is not something to the multiple pass thing. If they don't know that you need higher settings to treat scars how much could they know about the machine.

If I go somewhere else it will be DelCampo in Chicago. I am nervous though because so many people I have read posts from last year got blisters from him. Also I went there for a conult and did not like him much.

My second question is people talk about having 600 and up zaps per treatment. Do you recieve multiple "zaps" from the machine everytime it touches you in one spot? If not I don't see how you can recieve that many. I received probably 25-30 touches at 8, @15 at 9 and 8 at the 10 setting.

I'm sorry If this is repetitive for most of you , I just don't want to waste time and $ if a place isn't using the machine correctly to help acne scars.

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Sorry if this reply dissapoints you; you prolly thought someone answered your Q's. But the reason I am replying is because I too would llike to gather as much info as possible because I am having SB done also. I already made the decision to go ahead with the treatments despite the criticisms, but I still have a lot of unanswered questions therefore, lets try to keep this bumped.

One theory tho I made up in my head, cc123 is that everything done progressively works better than doing it all in one big fast shot at aggressive settings. Maybe lower settings at multiple passes will help much better and make you blister less. Although, I wouldn't know how long that should be and how long the tech's will be willing to spend on multiple passes. Nonetheless, they should spend the time necessary for the money paid.

Good Luck

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If I go somewhere else it will be DelCampo in Chicago. I am nervous though because so many people I have read posts from last year got blisters from him. Also I went there for a conult and did not like him much.

STAY AWAY FROM DelCAMPO!! HE'S A BIG RIP-OFF!!!! HE'S TOTALLY WORTHLESS.

I live 1 hour away from Chicago and last year my g/f had some kind of rash on her arm. A friend of her suggested Dr. Danilo DelCampo. So we set up an appointment and went to his office. First thing I noticed was he has like 12 assistants + 3 cashiers. His facility is like a "FACTORY". As soon as we got to his office, my girlfriend was taken to one of those little rooms, after being waiting for 30 minutes, finally Dr DelCampo examins her in less than 2 minutes. He didn't even want to answer my g/f's questions. He had a "I-know-everything" attitude. Consultation was $100 and + $90 (generic cream and antibiotics) which is sold at his office. Then his assistant said: "Dr. delCampo wants to see you in 2 days to see how your skin reacts to this medicine", After 2 days, we go to his office, same story, my g/f had to wait for half an hour, Dr. DelCampo shows up and takes a 3-second peek at my g/f's arm and said: "keep using the cream and I want to see you next week" Then his assitant said "It's $60" We were like what??????? Anyways, my g/f was so worried about her skin condition and shell out those 60 bucks. A week later, my g/f shows for a follow-up and this time, Dr DelCamp was SUPER BUSY and he sent his assistant which knew absolutely nothing about dermatology. And yet she had a bad attitude. She said " Do you know this is a specialist office??? I still don't know what she meant by that. She was a bitch!!! and she had severe acne and was also wearing thick make-up . Then she said: "keep using the cream and don't forget to pay on your way out" That was the last straw. I don't wanna get into details, but when my g/f gets upset, she GETS UPSET. No appologies were offered and all the assistants were making fun of us.

I woulnd't let this dork or any of his assistants touch my skin. AS CONSOLATION, Dr. DelCampo's skin is so rough and flaw. He has lots of blackheads and enlarged pores. He's the one who needs a series of at least 50 S.B's.

It's a bad sign when a doctor has a lot of assistants and a factory-lay-out office. It means " WE WANT TO SUCK ALL YOUR MONEY"

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Wow Dude! That's some experience. And here I was complaining about the way my derm diverted his gaze when I told him his proceedures seemed a bit pricey, lol! (which they are not, those are standard if not moderately priced for the area) I thought he was being rude, uncaring and completely shifty. Now I see what real money leechers can sound like.

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I have gotten it done and I have to say it was probably the most traumatic experience of my life. The days that followed it were even worse. It does some real damage even if its for a greater good in the end. It helped my forehead, but man I swear, my cheeks, where I never had acne, have been screwed up ever since, especially months after.

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I have gotten it done and I have to say it was probably the most traumatic experience of my life. The days that followed it were even worse. It does some real damage even if its for a greater good in the end. It helped my forehead, but man I swear, my cheeks, where I never had acne, have been screwed up ever since, especially months after.

Didn't you get any type of treatments to treat your acne or prevent acne from flaring up before hand? SB is well known to cause breakouts.

Anyone know how well does Smoothbeam help on red marks and left over spots?

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If I go somewhere else it will be DelCampo in Chicago. I am nervous though because so many people I have read posts from last year got blisters from him. Also I went there for a conult and did not like him much.

STAY AWAY FROM DelCAMPO!! HE'S A BIG RIP-OFF!!!! HE'S TOTALLY WORTHLESS.

I live 1 hour away from Chicago and last year my g/f had some kind of rash on her arm. A friend of her suggested Dr. Danilo DelCampo. So we set up an appointment and went to his office. First thing I noticed was he has like 12 assistants + 3 cashiers. His facility is like a "FACTORY". As soon as we got to his office, my girlfriend was taken to one of those little rooms, after being waiting for 30 minutes, finally Dr DelCampo examins her in less than 2 minutes. He didn't even want to answer my g/f's questions. He had a "I-know-everything" attitude. Consultation was $100 and + $90 (generic cream and antibiotics) which is sold at his office. Then his assistant said: "Dr. delCampo wants to see you in 2 days to see how your skin reacts to this medicine", After 2 days, we go to his office, same story, my g/f had to wait for half an hour, Dr. DelCampo shows up and takes a 3-second peek at my g/f's arm and said: "keep using the cream and I want to see you next week" Then his assitant said "It's $60" We were like what??????? Anyways, my g/f was so worried about her skin condition and shell out those 60 bucks. A week later, my g/f shows for a follow-up and this time, Dr DelCamp was SUPER BUSY and he sent his assistant which knew absolutely nothing about dermatology. And yet she had a bad attitude. She said " Do you know this is a specialist office??? I still don't know what she meant by that. She was a bitch!!! and she had severe acne and was also wearing thick make-up . Then she said: "keep using the cream and don't forget to pay on your way out" That was the last straw. I don't wanna get into details, but when my g/f gets upset, she GETS UPSET. No appologies were offered and all the assistants were making fun of us.

I woulnd't let this dork or any of his assistants touch my skin. AS CONSOLATION, Dr. DelCampo's skin is so rough and flaw. He has lots of blackheads and enlarged pores. He's the one who needs a series of at least 50 S.B's.

It's a bad sign when a doctor has a lot of assistants and a factory-lay-out office. It means " WE WANT TO SUCK ALL YOUR MONEY"

Oh my dear Lord!!!

I can't imagine it was fun recalling that nightmare so you could reiterate it for us...how awful! :evil: that carnival factory should be shut down. what an awful traumitizing time it sounds like you had....sheesh!

from the bitchy pancake makeup assitant...to the outrageous fees...and the blackhead covered asshole...omg. thanks for sharing that. you guys are the best for always looking out for one another :wub:

Hey, I have had 9 smoothbeam treaments (paid for the first 6 and got 3 free because I complained about NO results as well my incredibly rude and arrogant esthetician fyi)

they did NOTHING for my acne, which I was promised at least a 90% clearance of. They did nothing for my indented scars, red marks, etc. I had them over 2 years ago and the red marks I'd had for more than 5 years, the smoothbeam didn't touch. tbh I never noticed it doing shit. I felt very ripped off but kept being told "it takes time to see results...blah blah blah"

finally I took matters into my own hands, began exfoliating and using neosporin cream, and in less than 9 months of doing this, all of my icepick scars have faded and many are invisible, with the rest being only as larged as enlarged pores and the pics in the link on my sig prove it.

it sounds like I didn't just have one smoothbeam doctor who I found very rude and arrogant, but maybe more are like that as well? the technology just isn't solid. Has anyone EVER seen a before and after pic of smoothbeam success? I haven't. they took my photos after I insisted that I had no results and that reminds me, I should try to get them to mail me copies of my skin maybe I can post them for you guys. If anything the after pics looked much worse than the before.

you know come to think of it, after like 7 treatments i remember distinctly I started growing this huuuuuge zit on my chin. never seen anything like it. I know this sounds dumb but I seriously thought it was anthrax or some crap..it looked huge and bubbled up and inflated and not at all like a regular cyst. I even went to the doctor and he put me on antibiiotics and said it was some kind of acne. when I went to in for my smoothbeam she was like well let me just zap it with the gun. so she did and it hurt so bad but she never cared. lol

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Stories and ratings of Smoothbeam in Acne.org...

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There has been some improvement with SB-- I just don't know if it is right for me OR what should I do to prevent breakouts post treatment aside from antibiotics....

Pictures from Kate's Log

Also, I wish that people who posted on smoothbeam would state their age, type of acne pre treatment, treatment settings/passes and what, if any, treatments used to prevent acne flare up before the laser. Technical details makes a big difference.

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I've been giving it alot of thought and have concluded that possibly many of the ones who've experienced great results could be due to the Smoothbeam operator, the settings and the number of pulses. I think it did wonders for my skin when I had my first four treatments over 2 years ago. This past one was no where near the same amount of pulses I had with my first 4 treatments. I had a different operator since the first girl no longer works there. Hmm. My dilema is well ... granted... this last time, I just had my cheeks done but still the entire session lasted under 10 minutes. I think I got perhaps, under 100 zaps, whereas before I had over 300 or more. I don't know what to do... but the right settings and the right operator can make loads of difference. May I add, however, my cheeks have experienced NO breakouts where I had the smoothbeam, but where I didn't have it (jaws and forehead) I have had a few slight breakouts.... So for me it works as blemish control and yes I think it works to help minimize scar appearance...

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The multiple passes is a fairly new technique. I would say most people who had it done before last year definitely did not do it that way. I would be especially interested in knowing what happens to you, but it is a gradual process - u are not getting a nose job here -- and will take a few months for you to see good results. Please keep us posted.

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I did 4 SB sessions in Fall 2005 to control acne. I am a 36 yr old male and have had active acne since I was 16. No scarring, fortunately. I used SB entirely for acne control. Man, did it ever work! The pores on my skin were visibly smaller two weeks after the first session and only improved from that point. The oil level of my skin must have been cut at least 2/3. Breakouts are few and far between now and, surprisingly, any flareups disappear MUCH quicker than before. I attribute this quick healing to the much smaller oil glands that I think I now have.

To keep it real, I must say that the pain was un-freakin-believable. My setting was at 12.5 and I had to stop after every 10 or so pulses due to pain. I don't consider myself to be a wuss, but SB really, really hurts. And it is expensive. $250 for each session at Pure Laser in Rochester, MI.

After spending thousands of dollars on treatments over my lifetime (BP, Accutane, every Rx imaginable, etc), I feel that SB is easily the best investment I have ever made. My self-esteem, complexion, and confidence have never been better.

There are a few people on this board who have posted dozens and dozens of messages about their negative SB experiences. While I sympathize with them, I think that many people may think that SB does more harm than good due to these multiple postings. Believe it or not, there are many happy SB patients. Count me as one!

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Well, Smoothbeam seems to jive with my skin as well. Funny, I have had like zero breakouts on my cheeks where I had my smoothbeam. The areas where I didn't have it, have broken out a bit. THING IS.... they won't let me have the discounted full face for those suffering with acne. Strangest thing, my face always clears up right before I go in for a session so they think I really don't get acne. Also it's like any spot I get could lead to a scar which I mentioned to them. I suppose I have to be bubbling over with acne to get the discounted rate. I am NOT paying 200 for another session. I have already spent 1000 on this and will probably just go with the cheeks and heavily BP my chin and forehead. I really like the smoothbeam but it is kinda expensive.... Even at 200, which is a low rate in alot of areas, I think it's something you need to do quite a few times to see results PLUS my original operator is no longer there and silly me mentioned "blistering" to the other person who really went light on my last session. :wall:

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SMOOTHLOVER - Thanks for the replys about DelCampo. I went there for a consult about 2 yrs ago and I should keep that in mind when I consider going back there. He was very arrogant and rude and the office was no where near on par with where I usually go. I swore I would never let that man touch my face.....I was considering it based on pots from people who said he used higher settings and also because there office takes my insurance so I was hoping I could maybe get some of the treatments covered. Anyway I have decided to go back to the first place.

SWEET AND NATURAL - I have my next appt. 1 week from today - I will ask whether or not the multiple passes is a new techniquw and I will try and see that smoothbeam operator book. From a glance I saw that it explained diff. setting necc. for diff. conditions. I am also going to ask to have the first pass on at least 11.

UPDATE - It has been 2 weeks since my treatment and here is what I saw. My skin good the first few days after treatment and then bad until about 10 days after treatment. At this point my skin looks better. I can't say I see an exact improvement in individual scars but I can say when I look at my face in bad lighting the overall look is better - it looks smoother. The results are no where close to dramatic but I don't expect that after 1 treatment. Also for those concerned with resulting breakouts I haven't had anything but a few small pimples that I used my zeno on and they went away quickly. PS - The zeno works great if used at the first signs of a new zit.

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I've been following the Smoothbeam info (I'm 25 by the way, and had my 9 smoothbeam treatments at age 23)

From seeing plenty of results on this board and also on other message boards it appears that the "V-Beam" (which is something i never heard about nor do I know much about) is what really made the huge difference. People paying for treaments that include the V-beam seem to have remarkably better results while the folks (like myself) have no results or even bad results with just the smoothbeam.

I can't really comment on why this is but it seems to me that the V-beam may be a critical component in order to stop acne and prevent it from coming back. I just saw a member's photos after getting V-beam treatment plus smoothbeam and she went from having dozens of cysts and red marks to having crystal clear skin as if she'd used Accutane. (kate's photos-so amazing) I could be totally off base but it appears that anyone would be well advised to study "V-Beam" thoroughly if they are considering these lines of laser treatment. if I could go back and spend a little bit more (over the already OUTRAGEOUS cost of the smoothbeam) to have had flawless skin afterward.... but thanks to my esthetician who ridiculed my worsening acne into treatment and insisted it was due to my period. I never heard about the V-beam.

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I just got back from my second treatment and all I can say is WOW - what a difference the SB operator makes! I had a different lady this time and I asked her to be more agressive and whether we could go to at least a setting of 12. She said since I started on 8 last time (I did 3 passes - 1 at 8, 1 at 9 and 1 at 10) she only wanted to jump up the starting level to 9 but she would try to go to 12. Anyway, she did 1 pass at 9 with ALOT more zaps than the first lady all over my face and then a second pass at 9 all over as well. Then she moved to 10 and did 2 passes all over again each with ALOT of zaps. Then she went over my problem are (my cheeks) twice at 11 and then she went over just my cheeks only once at 12.

For my first treatment with a different lady by the time I left the office I wasn't red at all, this time I was red and blothcy every where but my forehead where she only went to 10. I take that as a good sign as my skin definetely reacted. I wish I would have had this technician the first time as I really felt she was agressive and I got my money's worth and I would probably have more results sooner - she did at least 4 times the amount of zaps as the first lady.

Next time hopefully the same process (I will definetly make sure I get today's technician again) repeated starting at 10 so my last solo pass on my cheeks will be 13 and I'll have had 2 at 12. Next time I'll also do V Beam. I would have today but I am leaving for vacation and didn't want to risk the bruising.

Also I wanted to say I quick grabbed the SM operator manuel before anyone came in and only had time to skim it but from what I did get it said for atrophic acne scars the setting should be between 10 and 14 with 4-6 weeks in between treatments. It said to start on the lowest reccommeneded setting (10). I think it said 4-6 treatments. Anyways I wish the first lady would have listened to that as she only did a few zaps at 10. Hopefully the first treatment was still useful as a building block for this one in which I got 2 passes at 10 - 2 passes at 11 and one at 12!

Today's operator said with scarring you usually start to see results shortly after the second or the third. I hope the second (for meeven though my first treatment was very non agressive) so my skin will look better for my vaca.

I will update on progress.

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Thats great CC! I'm sure you'll see some results if you take this very schematically, patiently and intelligently. Just be patient, if you believe it'll give you results, you'll get them. Although I've heard of a lot of bad reviews on candela, I still insist that this is the minority. The majority dont' come here to tell results. my doctor told me some facts on smoothbem- it is generally about 9 months to see the full extent of results, it is known to breakout people unless you are under some treatment (antibiotics for example) and the results depend on the operator just like some of you suggested here the only difference is that I was told that the more gradual the better. i know you want to get your money's worth right away, but if you start at low settings multiple passes and then increase to high settings (12) (13) (14) less passes, you'll see more results than the other way.

Bonsai- yes, i've heard of the v beam laser too and it's use with smoothbeam gives better results, my doctor also said that microdermabrasion at the same time as smoothbeam also helps a lot. one can't work without the other. mind you, were talking mild scarring here. He said that if you do the laser one week and then 2 weeks later one session of micro then 4 weeks later do another laser in succession, it can work the same as having a combo of 2 lasers. you just have to be consistent and give your skin pressure pressure---controled pressure that is. He also reccomends that any regimen that is currently keeping me clear that i continue to use during the treatments to prevent flareups or at least minimize any big breakouts.

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I agree totally that the operator can make worlds of difference in a smoothbeam session. With my first 4 sessions, the operator was very agressive and I was red and splotchy almost all day. My fifth smoothbeam was performed by a different person and the amount of pulses was less than 1/2 or 1/3 of the amount I got with the first person. My face was super tight. Small scars barely visible. My delima is that the original operator no longer works there. Darn. I doubt I can request someone different since it is a small office and I doubt it would go over well. :confused:

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I agree totally that the operator can make worlds of difference in a smoothbeam session. With my first 4 sessions, the operator was very agressive and I was red and splotchy almost all day. My fifth smoothbeam was performed by a different person and the amount of pulses was less than 1/2 or 1/3 of the amount I got with the first person. My face was super tight. Small scars barely visible. My delima is that the original operator no longer works there. Darn. I doubt I can request someone different since it is a small office and I doubt it would go over well. :confused:

trying, can I ask unless you've already posted how deep was your scarring?

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My scarring is not very deep and some may consider it mild. However, it seems I have some "clusters" of small scars which gives a kind of rough texture to some parts of my face. I have one larger boxcar which I have been trying to eliminate for years.

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Yes, that is exactly my case also. I have shallow scarring all except when I have excess buildup of dead skin which makes it look deeper. Currently I was prescribed Evoclin foaming cream and it burned me really bad, the next day i noticed i was peeling like crazy and i have the same cluster you described, but near my mouth and i hate the way that part looks! after i started peeling it seemed like th cluster softened a bit, but it keeps comng back as ugly as it was after 2-3 weeks after peeling. The thing is that I have old scarring, since Evoclin i've had some of those unresponsive scars turn red and almost sort of develop this reddish crust under the skin as if it wants to heal!!! this gives me hope for the laser. i also have a large boxcar near my nose which has been completely unresponsive to the peel, but honestly i don't remember how that developed and i don't think it was from acne--it doesn't bother me anyways, and i'm not looking to get that revised. My big problem are clustered scars, i think they look disgusting, i have this big repulsion for that type of formation and if i could get rid or at least soften that area near my mouth, i would be fine with the rest of my face. This is what i'm hoping smoothbeam will do for me with microdermabrasion. does anyone know if the laser helps with red marks or dark post acne spots?

have you tried TCA Cross for that boxcar, trying?

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I tought the v-beam - smoothbeam combination worked because the smoothbeam helped fill in scars and the v-beam erased their redness. From some of the posts it sounds like peoplke have been told the combo can make scars fill in better? I think the next time I get my smoothbeam treatment I think will get the v-beam done as well, I'm just worried about the bruising. My SB operator said it does cause bruising alot but that usually mena syou'll get better results. Also, I only want spot treatment with v-beam for the couple of isoltaed red spots I have and the doc. charges $100 for the first zap and $27 for each additional if you want to do spot treatment. That seems like a lot for a few zaps. Oh well. The only other worry I had with V-beam is that all the red spots (about 4) I want zapped are from fairly new breakouts (most after I was put on Prdnisone for Poison Ivy). I thought one docotr told me the redness was from the skin still trying to heal. Do you think I would disrupt the natural healing process by trying to get rid of the blood vessels - meaning is it better to leave a blood supply there to aid in healing?

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I had vbeam on the large boxcar along with smoothbeam. I had 2 intense low frequency vbeams on one spot area. It bruised once for nearly a month. I'm unsure what her technique was but her theory was that the vbeam would help the scar regenerate or something. Was not worth being purple and I was purple in that area for a long time. She charged me 75 extra for several vbeam zaps. I don't think they always intend to bruise but this, I believe was her intention. I don't think it really did much for me. Sure the skin tone after it was healed was nearly perfect but the scar remained it seemed as big as ever after all the swelling subsided. This large boxcar scar I crossed last friday night. It didn't really scab. Just a tiny white flake came off around 4 days later. HOWEVER, I am noticing some tightening within the scar and it seems to have shrunk some. YEAAAA!!!. I wish I had tried it sooner. I got my second batch of supposed 100% from bettercomplexions on ebay. The first batch (from another seller) seemed weak but this bottle from bettercomplexions seems to be very strong. I am so happy that I finally tried this. Crosses with smoothbeam occasionally. I havn't scheduled another appointment but plan on it after I lose another 5 lbs. I've said many times I don't think smoothbeam is the answer for icepicks but for small rolling scars, I think it helps. My first 4 treatments were VERY aggressive. I had been plagued with some hyper? pigmentation. Dark spots on my face which almost made my face look a bit dirty. After one intense smoothbeam session. One of those areas just peeled off. Amazed the ---- out of me. I don't think that is a common thing but I swear it happened.

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I've said many times I don't think smoothbeam is the answer for icepicks but for small rolling scars, I think it helps. My first 4 treatments were VERY aggressive. I had been plagued with some hyper? pigmentation. Dark spots on my face which almost made my face look a bit dirty. After one intense smoothbeam session. One of those areas just peeled off. Amazed the ---- out of me. I don't think that is a common thing but I swear it happened.

I'm confused about the different type of scars there are. What are the differences between boxcar, icepicks and rolling scars? I have my first smoothbeam appt booked for Monday. I was considering asking to change to the Fraxel laser because I have malasma/brown spots and I heard Fraxel takes care of them, but now thinking maybe the Smoothbeam will.

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