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NEW PHOTOS --- MY SCARS --- ADVICE NEEDED !!!!

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hi to everyone!

finally I managed to post my pictures of my scars on the gallery!!

I took more or less 100 pictures and put the worst ones in this thread so that you can see them better! it is mostly under special light (from behind,at an angle) that you see them.

Could please everyone that has had experience with some of the scar reduction methods (creams,needling,subcision,peels,...) advice me what they can recommend for my scars?! Especially maya and oursfan, could you give your comment what is the best method for me in your opinion?!

Check the scars out here:

http://acne.org/gallery/albums.php

Thanks and have a nice day!

Raffaele

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If you haven't tried it already - do the following and see how you get on:

1. Vinegar method

2. Lactic/glycolic peels with super copper peptides

3. Neddling/subcision

Always try the less invasive methods first - because they work so well for some.

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i'm trying already glycolic peel (30%) with copper peptides (yesterday started with super cop).

can/do you use vinegar at the same time as glycolic (eg. morning peels, evening vinegar) or is that not a good idea?!

about subcision:where would be the closest place from switzerland to do it?here they don't seem to know this procedure yet.

and from your experience, what kind of scars do I have and do you think that peels and peptides are working on these scars?!

thanks for your answers!

Raffaele

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Raffaele,

you look good, your scars don't look bad at all. I would guess you have rolling scars, do they look better if you "stretch" them?

I agree with Maya, you should try the less invasive methods first since it looks like you only have minor scarring. Continue with the peels and copper peptides and if they don't work then you can think about something more invasive (I think needling could work for you).

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yea, you know, when I don't see me in the worst light possible, Im quite happy with my face, but then from time to time (for example now that I took the pictures) I see the whole dept of the scars. Fortunately I've just 2-3 scars on the left cheek that are really bad, the rest is more a little uneven skin and with peels I think i can work on that.

but with the 3 rolling scars on the left???i'm a bit suspicious that anything works on them,and i don't know if the indentations improves with just copper peptides and peels (glycolic,vinegar)

can someone of you say that they had visible improvement (more than 20%) in indentations of scar and not just improvement of the superficial skin?and what was/were the methods/products you used??

my advice is to work on your scars, do something against it, BUT not looking all the time in the mirror at them because that just puts you down and it doesn't improve you anything!!I know its hard to not look at it and get angry,but thats what we all should do!!

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Raffaele,

It's like we're brothers!

I'm in the same boat you are, my skin looks otherwise normal except for a patch of scars on my cheek, just like yours. But mine is on the right cheek, not the left cheek. Mine are acutally worse/redder/larger.

All in all, they're not so bad though, but I totally understand what you mean. Do you find yourself facing people with your -good- side?

On the plus side, I have seen great improvement with the Smoothbeam laser. I would recommend going out and doing it. Plus, since you only have that small patch of area to do, you can try to get discount from the doctor to only do your cheek. I get half off for doing half of my face (my cheek, and a couple of other patches here and there).

Hey man, you're looking good, don't sweat these little things, especially when you can get them fixed after a couple of laser sessions.

chitown

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I won't do anything if I were you but if you insist, the left one (the one between the rolling scars) could be made better with excision. Talk to an experience PS for more options

hi to everyone!

finally I managed to post my pictures of my scars on the gallery!!

I took more or less 100 pictures and put the worst ones in this thread so that you can see them better! it is mostly under special light (from behind,at an angle) that you see them.

Could please everyone that has had experience with some of the scar reduction methods (creams,needling,subcision,peels,...)  advice me what they can recommend for my scars?! Especially maya and oursfan, could you give your comment what is the best method for me in your opinion?!

Check the scars out here:  

http://acne.org/gallery/albums.php

Thanks and have a nice day!

Raffaele

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Raffaele,

You are a perfect candidate for fillers. You have very similar scars to mine and I have been told by a few plastic surgeons to try them. Try the pinch test; do not stretch them, but pinch gently on both sides of the scar to see if it plumps up. If they do not, then they are tethered down and they will have to be subsized first, although they do not look like they are.

You can try collagen first, which will give you an idea of what a permanent filler will accomplish. I say "an idea" because collagen is injected closer to the surface of the skin than any of the permanent fillers and will give you a little better result.

If you like the result, you can opt for a permanent filler. I am leaning towards Artecoll because of the amount of time it has been used for scar revision. There are a few very good doctors who have gotten excellent results with Artecoll. Aquamid has just not been around long enough for me to trust the doctors using it.

Also, as someone said before, the awkward scar looks like it would have to be excised. However, if you can wait a year, it will fade and become much less noticeable.

Finally, if you choose to do nothing, I guarantee that no one notices your scars like you do. You would only be doing the revisions for yourself.

Mark

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thanks for all your replies and inputs!!

from what i've heard laser doesn't help a lot with indentations, so i don't think i will try this...i take the glycolic peels + copper peptides approach (which is also an exfoliation method)

or are there lasers that are especially desinged for collagen growth and scar tissue distruction?!?(eg. smoothbeam, i don't know it)

for the fillers, i've heard mixed results. do you think its worth to try first the collagen fillers that are only temporary?! (here in switerland it costs me 500 euro the first time and 180 euro every 3-9 months)

are the permanent fillers not dangerous? what are the risks involved?

mark, can you explain me a little bit better how you can see if you are a candidate for subcision (because of scar tissue that is holding down the skin) or if that can't help me?!

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mark, when the pinch test says that the skin is not been hold down by scar tissue, does it mean that needling is also not useful?!?

i tried once self-needling,have not seen visible results, but i was thinking to try it another time,because people say that you see improvement more after the second session...

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R- Do not do Self-Needling, it needs to be done by a trained proffesional.

- also I was just told by a skincare specialist that Glycolic peels are very damaging to the skin overall. She said only use fruit enzyme peels such as Lactic peels ( falls under this category).

Peels and Copper Peptide should help your situation tremendously.

Also when using the Copper Peptide, make sure to shake the bottle before application, I was told the key ingredients settle. Hope this helps.

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Raffaele you posted for help because of that tiny little thing on your left cheek? If I was a Dr. and you came to me you know what treatment I would give you? I would tell you to stick your head in front of my office door and then slam it against your head and tell you to have a nice day. I mean jesus come on here. Some times people post pics and I'll say, compared to me your not bad at all but your skin aint bad compared to a baby's ass. You gotta be shiten me. Get some soap you could probably wash that thing off your face.

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Bornunderabadsign,

You know, that was very unappropriate behaviour and very harsh to say the least. Raffaele has some scars that affect him emotionally. I think that's why we're all here. And for you to judge someone by not having "enough" scars to be treated on, is very sad to say the least. I don't care if someone has only one scar, the fact that it bothers them and they seek treatment should be good enough.

I am sorry that you have it worse than others, but it doesn't give you the right to comdemn others (or make light of their situation) for posting on this board.

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Miss prolixity I'm not judging him or condemning him, or making light or joking on him at all. He posted pics so people who suffer from acne scars would give there opinion or evaluation. I gave mine as you gave yours. His skin is absolutely fine regardless of the fact my skin is worse. I said it the way I felt it after looking at his pics. I wish I had his skin and somebody said to me what I said to him. Because with skin that good thats what I felt he needed to hear. So if you choose to feel sorry for him thats your choice. I save my feel your pain posts for people who I can relate to there level of pain because they have a legitimate reason to feel that pain.

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Raffaele, when you squeeze the sides of the scar, you will notice whether it plumps up or not. You will know immediately whether it is tethered or not.

I will probably take some criticism for my OPINIONS on the following procedures, but here they are:

Needling will help if you have a loss of collagen under the epidermis. It does the same thing as some of the non-ablative lasers which stimulate collagen growth by damaging the the skin and forcing the body to regenerate those areas. However, I think the non-ablative lasers are a better treatment. They do not damage the surface layers of skin as needling does. I have tried self needling and it did nothing but hyperpigment the area that I tried it on and damage the skin even further. I will never try that again.

Subcision is most helpful for tethered down scars. I have seen great results on the internet for these types of scars. It simply cuts the connection between the fat and the upper layer of skin (tethers - I have heard many references to collagen strands being cut, but that is not how collagen is formed. Collagen lays laterally, not vertically and does not form strands. When you are cutting tethers, it is when a cyst damages the skin severely enough that the entire layer of collagen is gone, and the skin is connected to the subcutaneous fat.). Anyone, feel free to correct me on this. The positive results you see from subcion that are not in tethered down scars goes back to the destruction of the underlying skin, and the body being forced to regenerate those areas. Ours Fan saw good improvement from this. I have also heard people claiming 80% or better improvement from subcision (on the Voy board), however that particular person states that he had very extensive destruction of the underlying skin and as a result, long term swelling occurs which shows false corrections. After the skin completely regenerates, the skin will turn normal and many of the scars will resurface.

I have also read where people have reported the popping sound when they self-needle themselves or professionally have it done. They claim it is the collagen strands being broken up. No it is not. It is the needle breaking the surface of the skin. Try needling your upper arm near your ear, and you will hear the same thing. It may be a little softer, but it is because the scar tissue is more firm. When tatooists hear it, it is only because it is scar tissue being pierced rather than normal tissue. I sincerely hope the people on this board turn to other alternatives other than needling.

As for results, in scars that are not tethered down, you can probably expect 15% to 50% improvement. The more severe the scars prior to treatment, the more improvement you can expect.

Why are your scars limited to this level of improvement? First think about how rolling scars are formed. Some of you will relate to this. First you get a cyst. The cyst fills. The irritated skin turns red. The cyst is drained or goes away. The red irritated area turns hard with dead skin. The dead skin sloughs away to leave a red mark which subsides over the next few weeks. The cyst has done damage to both the lower levels of the skin and the upper levels of skin as seen through your newly formed valley. Now you lack the collagen below (which can be corrected through the above mentioned procedures) but the outer layers of skin are also damaged which has also lowered the surface level of the skin. When the fibroblasts in your body produce new collagen, they are limited by the surface tension of the skin. They will stop producing when the tension has reached a predetermined amount. Therefore, they can only correct so much.

This is why I believe fillers can help to achieve better results than the aforementioned. They are not bound by predetermined tension levels (with the exception of isolagen) and can artificially raise the level of the skin.

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after a hot weekend im back at this board.

to bornunderabadsign and missproxility: i can understand you both...i mean, the comment of bornunderabadsign is a little bit hard, but i understand it more like he explained afterwards than as an insult or something like that. i just want to say that even if my scars are not so bad as others on this board,everyone can have psycological problems with it...but on the other hand one should see things in the right relation, so I dont' want to complain too much here. But I think this board is designed for everyone with scar problems and not just people with very bad scars!!

to mark:

thanks a lot for all the information ive still to check if my scars are tethered down (dont have time now) but your argumentation makes a lot of sense to me.

What kind of scars do you have and what methods have you used so far?

Do you study medicine or so ;-) ?

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hey raffaele...i have the exact problem as you! i mean i still have active acne but i am 19 years old and the acne i am getting doesnt scar fortunately...However like you i have good skin except also on the left side i have 4 indented scars just like yours exactly.The difference is that i dont have that awkward looking scar between them but i am basically the same.Also mine are on the left jawline not on the left cheek...I tried the stretch test and I must say the area nearly all filled out even when pinching.Lets be clear not 100% but at least 80%.At least this gave me comfort in knowing that mine are not that deep then probably just as like yours...I would really like to improve them cause they affect me greatly emotionally like you even though people tell me you have nothing and they bother only you not other people and tell me people dont see them as i do. I know you must hear the same.However I swear I will get my prize one day and this will be a problem of the past(god i look forward to that hehe) Anyway i think options for us are subsicion/n-lite/permanent fillers....but i just dont know exaclty which one to do or if i combine and which doctor i can go to in Europe!

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Raffaele,

Man your skin is perfect! i see that your scars ( u call them scars but for me they r not!! ) aren't worth proceeding to smoothbeam or subcision or anything of major things.. just try easy home stuff!

U have perfect skin mate! at least you have a skin tone .., i'm happy for you mate!

thx

-mido

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I dont know how other people perceive my scars, some of them that i talked about it (only 2) said that its not bad at all, but I think what matters is what you think about it (and perhaps they only say that for support..)

what i've read in the last, is that smoothbeam seems to work on a lot of people. so do you think that could also work for my scars on cheeks (see pictures!)

and for those who have already done several of the non ablative lasers (n-lite, cooltouch, v-beam), where are the differences and which is best for acne scars (rolling and mixed, like mine)?!

I think one great method to improve scars are copper peptides, because you can use them regularly and they dont irritate the skin. However I havent seen a lot of improvement (I use them for 3 months now). the skin texture is definetively better ,but indentations still the same I think.

Other question: Is it worth to apply copper peptides twice a day (mronig and evening?)

About fillers: Every doctor in switzerland says not to do permanent fillers, because you don't know if they stay at the same place they were injected initially and as you get older your skin on the face changes and so the filler could then be at the wrong place. no doctor in Switerland recommends permanent fillers, I don't know what to say about that....

so could you please answer my questions about smoothbeam, other lasers and copper peptides?

thanks a lot!

ciao

Raffaelito

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Raffaele:

I agree with Maya on the best methods.

If I were you, I would start with the least invasive methods first, and if they don't work, then take more aggressive measures.

Here is a list in order of least invasive to more invasive:

- vinegar & lemon method

- tape method of exfoliation

- lactic acid peel

- glycolic acid peel

For your deeper scars I would recommend needling or subcision. They are both equally invasive, but needling is generally less expensive if money is a major consideration. If you plan on getting needling done, please have it done by a reputable tattoo artist or permanent cosmetics artist who is experienced in this technique.

If the above doesn't work for the deeper scars then I would follow-up with the Cross Method (TCA into the pits).

hi to everyone!

finally I managed to post my pictures of my scars on the gallery!!

I took more or less 100 pictures and put the worst ones in this thread so that you can see them better! it is mostly under special light (from behind,at an angle) that you see them.

Could please everyone that has had experience with some of the scar reduction methods (creams,needling,subcision,peels,...)  advice me what they can recommend for my scars?! Especially maya and oursfan, could you give your comment what is the best method for me in your opinion?!

Check the scars out here:  

http://acne.org/gallery/albums.php

Thanks and have a nice day!

Raffaele

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in my own philosphy

whatever it counts towards Oursfan,

id usually take the most ivasive

do the procedure that will gaurntee the most improvement

then go down tot he next

its like a pyramid

and finalyl you reach the less invasvive

that is the closest you can get to the most perfect skin

its also a time issue also

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bornunderabadsign:

i admire your ability to endure, to earn money to go fix your face. Most deadbeats have their parents to provide for them, to fix a little tiny blemish, and here you are, determined to earn money to pay off the insanely expensive Dr. R.

To tell you the truth, I feel the same way as you. I'm working my ass off and the only thing that keeps me going is the thought that maybe, just maybe, i can buy myself the freedom of improved skin.

Im a jerseyan too, life here is stressful as it is. having shitty skin doesnt help.

Im bitter as fuck, just like you. But im hopeful, and determined, just like you, to get the damn retribution we need!!

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I am too in the same boat as eyehateacne...I am working my butt off at times to try to pay for my procedures if i can find a good Dr and buy the same quality of skin as other people. ](*,)

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