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was thinking about having the fraxel laser done, but wanted to know if anyone who has done it before thinks it is worth the money?

Hi trident

At the moment, 8 weeks after my 5th and final, I'd say no way - small changes but nothing drastic that warrants my $$$; maybe I was hoping for too much, but by the same token I had been led to expect quite a lot... BUT if improvements really do keep happening 6 months to a year after treatment then that will be a different story :) I'd love to know too - is anyone (past the 1 year on mark) really satisfied and pleased they did it??

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was thinking about having the fraxel laser done, but wanted to know if anyone who has done it before thinks it is worth the money?

Hi trident

At the moment, 8 weeks after my 5th and final, I'd say no way - small changes but nothing drastic that warrants my $$$; maybe I was hoping for too much, but by the same token I had been led to expect quite a lot... BUT if improvements really do keep happening 6 months to a year after treatment then that will be a different story :) I'd love to know too - is anyone (past the 1 year on mark) really satisfied and pleased they did it??

Jay, do you mind if I ask what sort of scars you have?

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was thinking about having the fraxel laser done, but wanted to know if anyone who has done it before thinks it is worth the money?

Hi trident

At the moment, 8 weeks after my 5th and final, I'd say no way - small changes but nothing drastic that warrants my $$$; maybe I was hoping for too much, but by the same token I had been led to expect quite a lot... BUT if improvements really do keep happening 6 months to a year after treatment then that will be a different story :) I'd love to know too - is anyone (past the 1 year on mark) really satisfied and pleased they did it??

Jay, do you mind if I ask what sort of scars you have?

Sure Naitch (hey, this is live and real time :D )

I have some rather shallow scarring on my forehead from large blind pimples that I foolishly attacked mercilessly several years ago - pretty much only noticeable in unkind lighting; they hardly show up in photos. More noticeable though are some icepick scars in my nose creases and at the tip of my nose, again from years of unfortunate squeezing (I was young and didn't know better...) They're not terrible but combined with my other skin flaws they're not terrific either.

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has anyone experienced fatllos on the face resulting in shallow scars simialr to shallow rolling scars?

I read some people have experienced this.

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was thinking about having the fraxel laser done, but wanted to know if anyone who has done it before thinks it is worth the money?

Hi trident

At the moment, 8 weeks after my 5th and final, I'd say no way - small changes but nothing drastic that warrants my $$$; maybe I was hoping for too much, but by the same token I had been led to expect quite a lot... BUT if improvements really do keep happening 6 months to a year after treatment then that will be a different story :) I'd love to know too - is anyone (past the 1 year on mark) really satisfied and pleased they did it??

We all ramble on here. Dealing with acne scars does that to ya :) :P No worries.

I'm over a year past my last Fraxel. I did use the blue dye and my doc ended on the highest settings (which I think should be used for any kind of acne scarring). Informed doctors will tell you that Fraxel works the best on shallow scars and can improve deeper ones but works best on shallow rolling type scars. I was under the impression Fraxel didn't really work for icepick type scarring or I haven't seen it mentioned as being for that type of scars but I could be wrong since I only have a few of those types of scars. I have a lot of scarring all over, all different kinds too plus I deal with redness from roseaca and dry flakey area around my nose. My skin is a mess!

I went back and forth after finishing my treatments. I did get pretty depressed for a while but then when I calmed down and tried to be more rational. Yes, I do see improvement. Am I satisfied? With my level of scarring I dont know if I will ever be completely satisfied but I will continue to try to improve.

I have a general softening of all of my rolling shallow scars especially on my checks and a bit of improvement on my other random scars. I don't wear quite as much makeup where as I still have to cover my redness and bumps from the roseaca but I wear my hair back a lot more often without feeling as self conscious so yes, there is improvement but I am going next week (probably) to talk to my doctor about another round of treatments. Fraxel is a very slow process and if you are only 2 months past your last treatment you still have a way to go. I wouldn't even start to compare until at least 6 months past your first treatment and even then you will only start to see the results of the first Fraxel (that effected only 20% of you face) This is why it's such a tedious process to see results and you might have to have multiple series at very high levels. Yes it is expensive and this is the one reason why I don't think Fraxel is good for everyone. The expense and the slight improvement works best of very shallow scarring. If it were cheaper I would tell more people to give it a try but expect to have to have a lot of treatments over probably a 2 year period. I've done a lot of lasers to help my skin. I've been a member here since 2003! I still get depressed but at least I'm trying.

You are lucky your skin likes Retin A. I can't use many topicals without it making my face red and irritated. I bet the combination of Retin A and Fraxel will help your skin a lot and every month will be better and better and while it won't be a dramatic change all at once. In about a year you will notice that you just look better. Which is good in the end.

I think a lot of people who are unhappy have unrealistic expectations (myself included at first) or the doctor didn't use the highest settings with enough passes or some didn't even have enough treatments. Time, it takes a lot of time to see a softening of scars. They won't disappear, it's more like the will get filled up and get pushed closer to the surface.

I haven't experienced any fat loss at all.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

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jay have you noticed improvment in your shallow rolling scars?

Hi Nate

My shallow scars are more boxcar-like than rolling and I'd say they've improved - maybe 20% so far.

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was thinking about having the fraxel laser done, but wanted to know if anyone who has done it before thinks it is worth the money?

Hi trident

At the moment, 8 weeks after my 5th and final, I'd say no way - small changes but nothing drastic that warrants my $$$; maybe I was hoping for too much, but by the same token I had been led to expect quite a lot... BUT if improvements really do keep happening 6 months to a year after treatment then that will be a different story :) I'd love to know too - is anyone (past the 1 year on mark) really satisfied and pleased they did it??

We all ramble on here. Dealing with acne scars does that to ya :) :P No worries.

I'm over a year past my last Fraxel. I did use the blue dye and my doc ended on the highest settings (which I think should be used for any kind of acne scarring). Informed doctors will tell you that Fraxel works the best on shallow scars and can improve deeper ones but works best on shallow rolling type scars. I was under the impression Fraxel didn't really work for icepick type scarring or I haven't seen it mentioned as being for that type of scars but I could be wrong since I only have a few of those types of scars. I have a lot of scarring all over, all different kinds too plus I deal with redness from roseaca and dry flakey area around my nose. My skin is a mess!

I went back and forth after finishing my treatments. I did get pretty depressed for a while but then when I calmed down and tried to be more rational. Yes, I do see improvement. Am I satisfied? With my level of scarring I dont know if I will ever be completely satisfied but I will continue to try to improve.

I have a general softening of all of my rolling shallow scars especially on my checks and a bit of improvement on my other random scars. I don't wear quite as much makeup where as I still have to cover my redness and bumps from the roseaca but I wear my hair back a lot more often without feeling as self conscious so yes, there is improvement but I am going next week (probably) to talk to my doctor about another round of treatments. Fraxel is a very slow process and if you are only 2 months past your last treatment you still have a way to go. I wouldn't even start to compare until at least 6 months past your first treatment and even then you will only start to see the results of the first Fraxel (that effected only 20% of you face) This is why it's such a tedious process to see results and you might have to have multiple series at very high levels. Yes it is expensive and this is the one reason why I don't think Fraxel is good for everyone. The expense and the slight improvement works best of very shallow scarring. If it were cheaper I would tell more people to give it a try but expect to have to have a lot of treatments over probably a 2 year period. I've done a lot of lasers to help my skin. I've been a member here since 2003! I still get depressed but at least I'm trying.

You are lucky your skin likes Retin A. I can't use many topicals without it making my face red and irritated. I bet the combination of Retin A and Fraxel will help your skin a lot and every month will be better and better and while it won't be a dramatic change all at once. In about a year you will notice that you just look better. Which is good in the end.

I think a lot of people who are unhappy have unrealistic expectations (myself included at first) or the doctor didn't use the highest settings with enough passes or some didn't even have enough treatments. Time, it takes a lot of time to see a softening of scars. They won't disappear, it's more like the will get filled up and get pushed closer to the surface.

I haven't experienced any fat loss at all.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Cool reply jjp007, just what I've been hoping to hear :cool:

It's so easy to get stressed with this stuff and it's nice to know that my patience could well pay off (ok, sometimes I do get a little impatient, mainly on the days when things seem to have gone backwards). Here's my plan - I'll keep using retin a, get my icepick scars excised (probably punch elevation) and then see how things look at the end of the year. Then maybe another round of fraxel treatments...

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jay have you noticed improvment in your shallow rolling scars?

Hi Nate

My shallow scars are more boxcar-like than rolling and I'd say they've improved - maybe 20% so far.

it's beyond any of us how your box-scars received a weak 20% improvement.

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jay have you noticed improvment in your shallow rolling scars?

Hi Nate

My shallow scars are more boxcar-like than rolling and I'd say they've improved - maybe 20% so far.

it's beyond any of us how your box-scars received a weak 20% improvement.

First question: how much should they have improved 2 months after 5th treatment...?

Second question: how long should I wait before confronting my derm about this? I had an appointment a few weeks ago and diplomatically said I wasn't seeing much improvement in my scars - the answer was 'give it more time and then maybe more fraxel treatments if things haven't really changed'. Uh oh... I was feeling ok after jjp007's post now I'm not feeling so good. As I said in an earlier post I was sore, swollen and red each time, but still perhaps my derm didn't go hard enough?? :doubt:

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so many things influence response. from the initial severity of your scar to environmental and lifestyle choices.

a few things you can do are exercise, adequate sleep, increase protein intake, and vitamin C intake. the latter two are essential for collagen production.

if you smoke, drink, stay up late, then your cheating urself.

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so many things influence response. from the initial severity of your scar to environmental and lifestyle choices.

a few things you can do are exercise, adequate sleep, increase protein intake, and vitamin C intake. the latter two are essential for collagen production.

if you smoke, drink, stay up late, then your cheating urself.

Uh huh! That could be it then...I don't take drugs or smoke and rarely drink but I have been suffering from insomnia for nearly a year now - often 4 hours; seven if I'm very, very lucky (I'm used to eight). I've tried everything except for hardcore sleeping tabs which my doctor doesn't want to prescribe anyway - I've been taking antihistamines instead for about 4 months but am weening myself off them because they're addictive and not meant for such long-term use.

Anyway, I'm healthy otherwise from exercise, good diet and multivitamins - but lack of sleep certainly can knock your skin around at the best of times... Think I'll up my protein and vitamin C intake and see what happens.

Thanx for the tip fraxelwaxel

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Hi jay7,

One of the other reasons that you might not be getting the improvement you want is because you need at least 8 passes or more. I read one of your posts and it said you only got 4 passes on your treatment. And yes, sleep is very important. Sometimes I can't sleep either, but what really helps me is Unisom. I cut the pill in half or sometimes in a quarter. I try to limit myself on doing this and do this no more than twice a week.

I think sleep and exercise are really important. Hopefully you will see more improvement soon.

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im not just suggesting it cause "vitamin C cures everything". if you look it up you will see that vitamin C is actually an essential catalyst in the formation of collagen.

you really do have to have a lot of it when your skin is repairing itself. more than the RDA. burn victims, for instance, have super high protein and vitamin C diets or the skin will not heal.

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i'm now treated with affirm laser and i'm asian.when surfing this forum i learn that 'the highest setting is important' and someone say that 'affirm doesn't go as deep as fraxel' which make me a bit worry.i think i see some improvement with affirm now but just subtle.could somebody explain me whether i should continue with affirm or not??(i heard that affirm is suitable for asian akin though,is it right?)

i appreciate any advices.thanks.

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I had my first fraxel done about 4 days ago and I wish my scars would stay the way they are right now!! Is it normal to have most of your scars disappear on the days following the procedure, only to have them return a several days/weeks after? I hope this is not the case!

Is fraxel able to totally eliminate scars on the spot without having to wait months for the collagen regrowth? Or are all these currently invisible scars of mine just gone for the time being because of the swelling?

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ur scars will come back after swelling subsides in a few weeks. collagen remodeling takes months to a year. unless you are a comic book character like wolverine LOL. are you wolverine maybe?

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a few weeks??? does it really take that long for the swelling to subside? geeze stupid slow skin take your time why don't ya.

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So its been almost a month since my first fraxel. It seems like my texture is worse than before...my pores are huge, and I can still see a slight red line between my eyes and cheeks, where the fraxel treatment ended. My face is all over still fairly red, but its always been a bit red. Just more so now. May have been the longterm use of tretinoin causing the redness.

Also may need to look into IPL after this, especially if I'm developing rosacea.

The worse part is if I feel my skin it feels very lumpy under the surface. I had some red surface bumps too. Its never been great but not this bad. They seem to be almost gone when I wake up in the morning, and I'm taking my antibiotics now, but they always seem to return by evening. not sure whats going on. Its like a breakout under the skin...

I've stopped using any products except for cetaphil cleanser morning, and La Roche Posay bar at night. Paula's Choice BHA at night, Skinceuticals Phyto+ morning with Purpose daily moisture spf 15.

Before that I was using Skincuticals AOX 15 in the morning, And an SPF 50 sunscreen by Sofina, which is supposed to be for sensitive skin.

I also used a new mask once, Cabots anti stress/redness vitamin E sample once, and it seems my skin got really bad just after, with the most surface red bumps. Now its just the lumpiness with a few small red bumps. Not sure whats going on, if it was the one time mask, my skincare routine, or the Fraxel...

Has anyone taken zinc supplements? I've been reading that they are for collagen rebuilding too, and may be more vital for it than C is.

Also, has anyone used copper peptides during their fraxel treatments? Do they think they helped? It seems that taking and using stuff that should help the skin build collagen would be important to how well your skin rebuilds after fraxel.

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So its been almost a month since my first fraxel. It seems like my texture is worse than before...my pores are huge, and I can still see a slight red line between my eyes and cheeks, where the fraxel treatment ended. My face is all over still fairly red, but its always been a bit red. Just more so now. May have been the longterm use of tretinoin causing the redness.

Also may need to look into IPL after this, especially if I'm developing rosacea.

The worse part is if I feel my skin it feels very lumpy under the surface. I had some red surface bumps too. Its never been great but not this bad. They seem to be almost gone when I wake up in the morning, and I'm taking my antibiotics now, but they always seem to return by evening. not sure whats going on. Its like a breakout under the skin...

I've stopped using any products except for cetaphil cleanser morning, and La Roche Posay bar at night. Paula's Choice BHA at night, Skinceuticals Phyto+ morning with Purpose daily moisture spf 15.

Before that I was using Skincuticals AOX 15 in the morning, And an SPF 50 sunscreen by Sofina, which is supposed to be for sensitive skin.

I also used a new mask once, Cabots anti stress/redness vitamin E sample once, and it seems my skin got really bad just after, with the most surface red bumps. Now its just the lumpiness with a few small red bumps. Not sure whats going on, if it was the one time mask, my skincare routine, or the Fraxel...

Has anyone taken zinc supplements? I've been reading that they are for collagen rebuilding too, and may be more vital for it than C is.

Also, has anyone used copper peptides during their fraxel treatments? Do they think they helped? It seems that taking and using stuff that should help the skin build collagen would be important to how well your skin rebuilds after fraxel.

You're not supposed to use AHAs or BHAs while doing fraxel.

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My dermo told me not to use anything active over the course of my fraxel treatments. You have to treat your skin like a bad sunburn... it's fragile and weak.

I think I might be one of the lucky ones but my skin's reacted pretty well to the treatment. It healed up 100% within 4 days and there's been no additional scarring or otherwise that I can see *knocks wood*

All I did was wash and moisturise 3 times a day, take 1-2g of vit c, and drink lots of water

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:shock:

AHA's I know, but this is the first I've heard against salicylic acid during Fraxel. I don't use it for the first week after Fraxel. i didn't use anything except moisturizer, cleanser and sunscreen for the first week.

Also, I've read here about some people getting a type of salicylic acid peel between Fraxel treatments to help with bumpiness (silkpeel)?

Anyway, my skin does seem to be getting better, just slowly. I'll stop using all acids for awhile.

I think I need to get back on antibiotics while doing Fraxel. Hopefully the derm will know more.

Anybody with opinions about copper peptides?

You gotta relax with all the products. Your skin just got lasered. The last thing it needs is additional products interfering with the healing process.

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You gotta relax with all the products. Your skin just got lasered. The last thing it needs is additional products interfering with the healing process.

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