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-1- I just found out that in Japan the emphasis is on doing a greater number of treatments than they do here (but far less energy), in some cases 10+ sessions.

-2- Girlfriend: You've had 7 treatments and don't see any results?

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I just had my 3rd treatment today at 60 mjs, or so I guess. I don't even pay that much attention to the level. I think most have found out that it's the higher mjs settings that are supposed to count. Anyway, I am still depressed, especially over the way my forehead looks. Maybe some subtle softening on the cheek scars so far though, but BARELY notcieable and it still feels deep when I run my fingers over them :( I am not really please yet. But, I am trying to be patient and ride this thing out someone pray for me that this will work to some degree. I don't know how many more lows I can take at this point.

Ylem, I say just hold on and wait for you to finish your 5th or 6th fraxel because that is when people are starting to see the most improvement. Waiting is definitely the hardest part, but just keep thinking only a couple more and then you can judge where you are at.

5th or 6th!! God, I was hoping 4 would give me improvment. I can only afford up to 4 treatments. Have I just wasted my money??!!

You will see some improvement after 4, but you really should try to do 5 or 6. Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news...

Can I wait 2 to 3 months between my 4th and 5th treatments. I will really need to recover financially after 4 treatments, or am I going to have to drive myself to bankruptcy to maintain monthly intervals? Also I notice you've done much lower settings than I've done so far. Shouldn't that make a difference? All my settings have been in the 60's, with my first treatment for the temple area at 70 mjs. I haven't seen any visible improvement yet 2 weeks after my third though.

The lower settings is because I have superficial-shallow scars. There is no need to go as deep. Number of treatments will determine % coverage -- remember that fraxel is fractional, meaning that they treat 20-25% of your skin each time. No, 4-5 sessions is not 100% coverage. billyboy and I did the math for everyone in this thread if you want to look it up.

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Well, I think I am doing the wrong treatment. Most people I have talked to hear have very minimal or superficial-shallow scarring and that's really what this treatment is for, people who have good skin to start with and are just looking for a 'touch up'

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Well, I think I am doing the wrong treatment. Most people I have talked to hear have very minimal or superficial-shallow scarring and that's really what this treatment is for, people who have good skin to start with and are just looking for a 'touch up'

Well if that's the case then i'm fucked, i go for my consultation for fraxel on the 10 of October, its a bloody 3 hour train journey, so i hope when i do finally start my treatment that i do get results, cause i really really can't afford to waste this money, it's pretty much my last.

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zonk keep us updated on ur progress, how much progress have u had so far? i believe u already got 6 done?

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Well, I think I am doing the wrong treatment. Most people I have talked to hear have very minimal or superficial-shallow scarring and that's really what this treatment is for, people who have good skin to start with and are just looking for a 'touch up'

Well if that's the case then i'm fucked, i go for my consultation for fraxel on the 10 of October, its a bloody 3 hour train journey, so i hope when i do finally start my treatment that i do get results, cause i really really can't afford to waste this money, it's pretty much my last.

Arctic- I am not sure how it will work for hypertrophic/hypopigmentation. Your case is different from mine, and you probably have a better chance. I am trying to alleviate the horrible 'shadowing' I get and also treat severe and deep forehead scars. I am not sure if I would be a good person to compare to you.

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-1- I just found out that in Japan the emphasis is on doing a greater number of treatments than they do here (but far less energy), in some cases 10+ sessions.

-2- Girlfriend: You've had 7 treatments and don't see any results?

I have seen minimal improvement. I am very disappointed in the Medispa that I went to in Daytona. Plus, the attitude of the PA- it turned out to be an overall waste of money. Maye if I had a doctor who was aggressive- like I wanted, I would have seen a better result.

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-1- I just found out that in Japan the emphasis is on doing a greater number of treatments than they do here (but far less energy), in some cases 10+ sessions.

-2- Girlfriend: You've had 7 treatments and don't see any results?

I have seen minimal improvement. I am very disappointed in the Medispa that I went to in Daytona. Plus, the attitude of the PA- it turned out to be an overall waste of money. Maye if I had a doctor who was aggressive- like I wanted, I would have seen a better result.

I too am quite disappointed. I have had 3 treatments and my scars look as bad if not WORSE! That's due to aging, but the Frxael has not had any significant cosmetic effect. My mom doesn't notice any difference yet either and is against me continuing. She says I am throwing my money away, which I probably am but it is psychological at this point. I can't stop trying and everyday is like hell for me. Every day I keep hoping the imrpovements will start to show and they never do.

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Hi just wanted to give people an small update.. its been about 2 months since my 5th fraxel.. and i have to say my face has defintely improved.. a few people have even told me, i would say my tone and texture has improved alot.. my scars have been improved yet most are still there but far less noticable now

if i had to give a % on scar improvements i would say a conservative guess would be 40%

now my question to you people is it ok if i wait few more months then go for another round of 5-6 fraxels?

thanks

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Hi just wanted to give people an small update.. its been about 2 months since my 5th fraxel.. and i have to say my face has defintely improved.. a few people have even told me, i would say my tone and texture has improved alot.. my scars have been improved yet most are still there but far less noticable now

if i had to give a % on scar improvements i would say a conservative guess would be 40%

now my question to you people is it ok if i wait few more months then go for another round of 5-6 fraxels?

thanks

yes, my doc says wait ~6 months, though I'm not sure if that's because you should wait to see full results of the first set or if there's some medical reason to wait...

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Ylem, have you ever thought about doing psr treatment??? i'm honestly considering doing this instead of fraxel cos after reading the whole of this fraxel thread it would appear fraxel is pretty shit, an i really dont have the money to waste on a treatment that might not do jack shit for my scarring, like you everyday is absoloutly torture for me, all i think about 24/7 is my skin, i'm sure i'm clinically insane, or at least heading that way. For some reason psr laser isn't discussed much on this board but the 4-5 people who have had psr on this website have been pleased with the results, so much so that they have acctually left this board, unlike any of the fraxel patients.

It's just shit that i can't get laser treatment in my own country (Scotland) i have to travel to bloody England just to get fraxel, so not only have i got the laser to pay for i also have 5-6 trips to England to pay for, which costs a fortune ie, trains, hotels, food. not to mention the inconvenience. AAAARGH, i could cry right now, i've never felt so low in all of my life, i feel utterly hopeless.

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Ylem, have you ever thought about doing psr treatment??? i'm honestly considering doing this instead of fraxel cos after reading the whole of this fraxel thread it would appear fraxel is pretty shit, an i really dont have the money to waste on a treatment that might not do jack shit for my scarring, like you everyday is absoloutly torture for me, all i think about 24/7 is my skin, i'm sure i'm clinically insane, or at least heading that way. For some reason psr laser isn't discussed much on this board but the 4-5 people who have had psr on this website have been pleased with the results, so much so that they have acctually left this board, unlike any of the fraxel patients.

It's just shit that i can't get laser treatment in my own country (Scotland) i have to travel to bloody England just to get fraxel, so not only have i got the laser to pay for i also have 5-6 trips to England to pay for, which costs a fortune ie, trains, hotels, food. not to mention the inconvenience. AAAARGH, i could cry right now, i've never felt so low in all of my life, i feel utterly hopeless.

I'm not familiar with the psr, though I think it has been out a long time.

I am not giving up hope yet, even though I am pretty close to. I am going to suck it up and do my 4th on the 28th. By then, if I see nothing it is not going to work.

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I'm not familiar with the psr, though I think it has been out a long time.

I am not giving up hope yet, even though I am pretty close to. I am going to suck it up and do my 4th on the 28th. By then, if I see nothing it is not going to work.

Ylem - what type of scarring do you have? Have you tried a subcision? I just had one done last week (3 weeks after Fraxel #2) and had have huge improvement! The swelling and bruising are almost completely gone and while I can see my deep scars again - they are not nearly as deep and those will be the ones that will need a filler after my Fraxels are finished (#3 next week). I'm hoping that the Fraxels will give me some collagen filling but mostly I want to change the texture of my skin and get a smoother look and hope that another subcision and fillers at the end will give me the improvement I'm seeking. If you haven't already, you should look into a subcision. It not only improves the scars big time, but causes 'damage' under the skin, just like the Fraxel and gets the collagen making really going.

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I'm not familiar with the psr, though I think it has been out a long time.

I am not giving up hope yet, even though I am pretty close to. I am going to suck it up and do my 4th on the 28th. By then, if I see nothing it is not going to work.

Ylem - what type of scarring do you have? Have you tried a subcision? I just had one done last week (3 weeks after Fraxel #2) and had have huge improvement! The swelling and bruising are almost completely gone and while I can see my deep scars again - they are not nearly as deep and those will be the ones that will need a filler after my Fraxels are finished (#3 next week). I'm hoping that the Fraxels will give me some collagen filling but mostly I want to change the texture of my skin and get a smoother look and hope that another subcision and fillers at the end will give me the improvement I'm seeking. If you haven't already, you should look into a subcision. It not only improves the scars big time, but causes 'damage' under the skin, just like the Fraxel and gets the collagen making really going.

I have rolling/saucer scars that thin out when stretched. What do you think? I could ask my doc during #4

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I have rolling/saucer scars that thin out when stretched. What do you think? I could ask my doc during #4

Same here! You should absolutely ask. I even had a second opinion after my 2nd Fraxel with a prominent derm here (I had the consult scheduled long before I started Fraxels so I kept the appointment) and she thought doing subcision(s) while doing Fraxel was the way to go. It breaks the tethers that holds down the scars and not only makes your skin looks so much better but 'damages' the tissue in all the right places to gear up the ability to make collagen. So both of my docs feel like it speeds up the making of collagen.

I'm also going to be using my docs new machine The Pearl this next time (next week) and she said that one treatment equals 2-3 Fraxel II treatments, but I've read on several derm and plastic surgeon websites that one treatment equals 5-6 Fraxel II's (hard to believe though). The Pearl is a combination Fraxel and C02 (light) ablative machine. But the skin is not a open wound like C02, it keeps the epidermis in place like a bandage and then it all sloughs off. My doc says my downtime will be more than the few days I get with Fraxel. I'll let everyone know how that goes next week.

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Well, I think I am doing the wrong treatment. Most people I have talked to hear have very minimal or superficial-shallow scarring and that's really what this treatment is for, people who have good skin to start with and are just looking for a 'touch up'

ylem, 'minimal' scarring and 'good skin' are terms based on one's perspective -- none of us can be a judge of this without doing a comparison of our skin conditions in person.

i noticed that on this page you said you have "severe and deep" forehead scars but also "rolling/saucer scars that thin out when stretched." i have rolling scars also that are more deep/prominent on my forehead, but let's be honest, they can't be THAT deep because there isn't much skin there. i count myself very very lucky compared to people i've seen who have DEEP scars (icepick, etc.) on their cheeks, which neither you nor i have. people with rolling scars (which you said you have) have the best results with fraxel compared to those with other types of scars, and it's a highly recommended treatment for rolling scars for a reason. you are young and have a very good chance of improvement from this treatment, if you give it the proper time and also work on your feelings about your skin? why don't you post pictures right before your next treatment so we can give you feedback about improvement? it seems like sometimes that helps people see themselves through others' eyes -- which can definitely be a good thing.

i myself have not been coming to this board as much as when i started my fraxel treatments 4 months ago, because of the lack of perspective and overwhelming negativity, and what i need for myself and my own journey with this procedure (and my feelings about my skin) is quite the opposite -- getting factual and minimally-biased information about what people's experiences are would be a lot more helpful. having come to this board for a while and read as many posts on it as most of us have, we all know that this is a procedure that 1) is fractional and helps the skin to heal incrementally, and 2) that because of this and because it's utilizing the body's natural ability to heal itself, it will take time to see changes. i am really just getting incredibly frustrated by reading posts that express an expectation to see results in a couple of months. everyone i consulted with (medical professionals) and everyone who talked about their results on this board expressed that it takes 5-6 treatments and several months longer for collagen to rebuild and that seeing results continues over time.

in other news, i had my fourth treatment yesterday and have my fifth scheduled for a month from now. i do have to say that because of the way the tone/texture of my skin has been changing (subtly), i feel a lot more comfortable about it and go out of the house more often with just sunscreen and no makeup. it's almost like knowing that i'm doing something to improve my skin helps me to feel a lot better about it. and i do see some improvements. i still experience the crazy swelling with every treatment, but going to deeper levels has not been more painful (i visually imagine that the technician is just scratching my face a lot, which seems to help me get through the procedure). so far my recovery experience has gotten better with each one, so knock on wood that it continues that way :)

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because of the lack of perspective and overwhelming negativity, and what i need for myself and my own journey with this procedure (and my feelings about my skin) is quite the opposite -- getting factual and minimally-biased information about what people's experiences are would be a lot more helpful.

Seriously -- the negativity is overwhelming. It's almost impossible to get unbiased information on here anymore. Most of the more objective people on here have left.

having come to this board for a while and read as many posts on it as most of us have, we all know that this is a procedure that 1) is fractional and helps the skin to heal incrementally, and 2) that because of this and because it's utilizing the body's natural ability to heal itself, it will take time to see changes. i am really just getting incredibly frustrated by reading posts that express an expectation to see results in a couple of months. everyone i consulted with (medical professionals) and everyone who talked about their results on this board expressed that it takes 5-6 treatments and several months longer for collagen to rebuild and that seeing results continues over time.

From the posts that I see, I don't think people realize this. This is so critically important to understand when doing Fraxel.

I don't see anyone showing any patience these days. It's incredibly frustrating to hear this, because those people are the most likely to be emotional and post every week about how their skin hasn't improved. They're the loudest. It hurts Fraxel's reputation for no good reason and may prevent some people from trying it out who could really be helped by the treatment.

I think this gets to a bigger problem as well. People need to do their own research and understand what they're getting into. Fraxel is a 6-12 month commitment. It is not something you try once or twice and then decide whether or not to go forward. I see all this complaining and all this stressing out about the normal side effects of Fraxel (bronzing, swelling, etc.), and I wonder how these people are deciding to get Fraxel done if they don't even know the basics of the treatment.

There is such a wealth of information in this thread, but no one spends the time to read it. If your scars are as bad as you say they are and you are willing to do anything to fix them, how is it that you can't spend some time and actually read the thread? It's not like you even need to read every single word of every post.

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out of everyone that gets fraxel on here only like 10% of them report back.

i see alot of people saying im gonna update every day ect ect, but when it comes down to it they just dissapear.

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because of the lack of perspective and overwhelming negativity, and what i need for myself and my own journey with this procedure (and my feelings about my skin) is quite the opposite -- getting factual and minimally-biased information about what people's experiences are would be a lot more helpful.

Seriously -- the negativity is overwhelming. It's almost impossible to get unbiased information on here anymore. Most of the more objective people on here have left.

having come to this board for a while and read as many posts on it as most of us have, we all know that this is a procedure that 1) is fractional and helps the skin to heal incrementally, and 2) that because of this and because it's utilizing the body's natural ability to heal itself, it will take time to see changes. i am really just getting incredibly frustrated by reading posts that express an expectation to see results in a couple of months. everyone i consulted with (medical professionals) and everyone who talked about their results on this board expressed that it takes 5-6 treatments and several months longer for collagen to rebuild and that seeing results continues over time.

From the posts that I see, I don't think people realize this. This is so critically important to understand when doing Fraxel.

I don't see anyone showing any patience these days. It's incredibly frustrating to hear this, because those people are the most likely to be emotional and post every week about how their skin hasn't improved. They're the loudest. It hurts Fraxel's reputation for no good reason and may prevent some people from trying it out who could really be helped by the treatment.

I think this gets to a bigger problem as well. People need to do their own research and understand what they're getting into. Fraxel is a 6-12 month commitment. It is not something you try once or twice and then decide whether or not to go forward. I see all this complaining and all this stressing out about the normal side effects of Fraxel (bronzing, swelling, etc.), and I wonder how these people are deciding to get Fraxel done if they don't even know the basics of the treatment.

There is such a wealth of information in this thread, but no one spends the time to read it. If your scars are as bad as you say they are and you are willing to do anything to fix them, how is it that you can't spend some time and actually read the thread? It's not like you even need to read every single word of every post.

you said it a lot more straight-forward than i did!

very true that there is a ton of information on here. for anyone considering fraxel, do a lot of research and know what you're getting into. i also cringe when i read a post that says someone isn't happy after they see the microswelling subside with treatments one or two and that they are going to quit, because it's really a waste of money and a lack of understanding about the treatment and the patience that's needed with it. personally there is no way i would get a C02 treatment and create that kind of damage to my skin at once for a quick result when the risks are so high. i chose fraxel because i like the idea of 5 or 6 treatments over time with no risk of permanent damage and subtle changes to the quality of my skin. none of my friends even realize i'm getting something done although they can see that i'm gradually looking more radiant, etc. it's like i'm using a new magical face product or something ;)

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out of everyone that gets fraxel on here only like 10% of them report back.

i see alot of people saying im gonna update every day ect ect, but when it comes down to it they just dissapear.

i can only speak for myself, but personally, i would be coming here and reporting a lot more if there wasn't so much emotional negativity in posts recently :(

the past two months i have often checked the board and read something and felt like it was in my best interest not to respond and to not check in as much.

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out of everyone that gets fraxel on here only like 10% of them report back.

i see alot of people saying im gonna update every day ect ect, but when it comes down to it they just dissapear.

i can only speak for myself, but personally, i would be coming here and reporting a lot more if there wasn't so much emotional negativity in posts recently :(

the past two months i have often checked the board and read something and felt like it was in my best interest not to respond and to not check in as much.

Im sorry if any of my posts regarding Fraxel was negative, everyone is in the same boat, everyone feels like sh*t about their scars and you really should do what's working for your own skin.

Having said that my opinion about fraxel is it simply is a more expensive version of the smoothbeam. I've had two doctors where I live in LA who refuse to use it. They showed me some before and after pictures of the smoothbeam VS Fraxel and the smoothbeam works better. Also the scar damage the fraxel can do and pigmentation errors is huge.

I had smoothbeam done a few years ago and had about a 25 percent increase in positive results. I wondered why I stopped in the first place. Yesterday at the Dr's appointment my chart said I stopped at my 4th treatment for whatever reason and if I had done the last two required my scars maybe at a 70 percent increase.

So starting in October i'm starting a new 6 treatment package and will keep track of the results.

So just do your homework and make the doctor show you their work on the patients they have worked on, pictures and stuff. Little experience can destroy your skin with more scarring.

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Hi, today I want to give some feedback of my Fraxel treatments. I started in June and ever since have had 4 treatments each a month apart. Treatment levels were very low -not because I wanted so, but because my doctor was reluctant to go higher in the beginning. Then he went a bit higher. My levels were: 15-15-20-25. I never had too many problems with the treatments. The treatments were painful, swelling had subsided after two days, redness was still there but ok after 4 days and gone after a week. With every treatment my skin condition improved. Before I started with Fraxel my skin was just shit and I did not go out into public anymore until absolutely necessary. I had immense problems with brown and red spot and very uneven skin. Already after the first Fraxel there was such a huge difference in pigmentation, at least 50% of the brown spots had gone immediately, it was unbelievable! And I can see continuous improvement. With every treatment I had the impression that texture got better, also friends told me so. Today I took pictures, and below you can see a before-after comparison. It is very close up and unfortunately on the after picture I have a small pimple. But I think you will immediately see that my skin is much more even and that the scars have flatted out considerably.

Until today I was not sure, if I was going to have more treatments, but looking at the pictures I decided that I will probably have two more, it just works so well for me. The only bad thing is the price and also downtime -although 4-6 days or so of discomfort, redness and swelling don't seem too much, I did get tired from it a bit. But that might also be because I did 4 treatments in relatively short time, to get improvement soon. I will take a time off now, and maybe in 2-3 months do 2 more treatments.

Hope this information helps people, just want to tell encourage everybody that this treatment really can work very well!

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Hi, today I want to give some feedback of my Fraxel treatments. I started in June and ever since have had 4 treatments each a month apart. Treatment levels were very low -not because I wanted so, but because my doctor was reluctant to go higher in the beginning. Then he went a bit higher. My levels were: 15-15-20-25. I never had too many problems with the treatments. The treatments were painful, swelling had subsided after two days, redness was still there but ok after 4 days and gone after a week. With every treatment my skin condition improved. Before I started with Fraxel my skin was just shit and I did not go out into public anymore until absolutely necessary. I had immense problems with brown and red spot and very uneven skin. Already after the first Fraxel there was such a huge difference in pigmentation, at least 50% of the brown spots had gone immediately, it was unbelievable! And I can see continuous improvement. With every treatment I had the impression that texture got better, also friends told me so. Today I took pictures, and below you can see a before-after comparison. It is very close up and unfortunately on the after picture I have a small pimple. But I think you will immediately see that my skin is much more even and that the scars have flatted out considerably.

Until today I was not sure, if I was going to have more treatments, but looking at the pictures I decided that I will probably have two more, it just works so well for me. The only bad thing is the price and also downtime -although 4-6 days or so of discomfort, redness and swelling don't seem too much, I did get tired from it a bit. But that might also be because I did 4 treatments in relatively short time, to get improvement soon. I will take a time off now, and maybe in 2-3 months do 2 more treatments.

Hope this information helps people, just want to tell encourage everybody that this treatment really can work very well!

Khari, I can't see your pic yet, but I'm glad to hear things have been working well for you. It sounds like you're getting treated by the Fraxel 750. Have you thought about finding a doctor with the 1500 version?

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Hi zonk, I live in Europe, and there are still very few doctory who offer Fraxel at all over here... I don't even know if there is a doctor that offers Fraxel 1500 somewhere at a reasonable distance from my home. Maybe I would try it. But for the moment my doc and the Fraxel 750 are ok for me. I know and trust him and feel he respects me and feel well treated, which is very important for me.

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Hi zonk, I live in Europe, and there are still very few doctory who offer Fraxel at all over here... I don't even know if there is a doctor that offers Fraxel 1500 somewhere at a reasonable distance from my home. Maybe I would try it. But for the moment my doc and the Fraxel 750 are ok for me. I know and trust him and feel he respects me and feel well treated, which is very important for me.

That is definitely the most important thing. I'm glad you're happy with how things are going. Hopefully others will have experiences similar to yours.

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