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"THE BRONZING EFFECT"

After my first treatment I did not have bronzing, then I had my 2nd treatment and no bronzing until a week later and I still have it post 2 weeks... these lil areas around bottom of temples/upper cheecks starting getting that bronzing effect so bad that other people thought I got another treatment lol the weird thing it that the bronzing areas are in the exact same place on both sides. The office told me to start using the bleaching cream every day and it should go away.

Anyone else experience this? :wall:

one of the doctors i consulted with said bronzing should occur after about 4 to 5 days, and that it's skin cells migrating to the surface. that said, however, i got a very 'bronzed' look but feel it was actually the super-dry top layer of skin flaking off -- if you looked closely there were tiny scabs for every spot where the wounding occurred, and that created the look of bronzing.

did you have more passes done to the areas where you are more red?

also, i'm wondering why the bleaching cream would work for this?

make sure to use sunscreen :)

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i was wondering, how can i speed up the healing process in 3 days? i need my skin to look presetable at least... any suggestions, tips would be appreciated!

do you think that's a good idea? that's right when my skin is the most 'scabbed'/bronzed and i would definitely not recommend peeling it at that point. there is one spot to the lower right of my mouth that peeled much earlier (around the 3rd or 4th day) than the rest of my face and it continued to crack and re-scab for a week after -- it was super dry but also very red and sensitive. that area is currently slightly darker than the rest of my skin, which took 2-3 days longer to peel.

i know it's bad idea but i don't have a choice. and i'm a female so i wear make-up too so i can hide the redness... the scabs and the swolleness is what i will have a problem with hiding.

and this will be my 4th treatment.

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Goodluck getting your skin presentable magicdust!! BTW in response to your signature: You may have lost all those but you haven't lost the courage to continue and that's the most important!

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thanks i hope it does too but if it doesn't then i'm gonna think of a good excuse arghh but i'm gonna miss out on the event which sucks.

oh and thanks :)... i never thought of it that way.

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i was wondering, how can i speed up the healing process in 3 days? i need my skin to look presetable at least... any suggestions, tips would be appreciated!

do you think that's a good idea? that's right when my skin is the most 'scabbed'/bronzed and i would definitely not recommend peeling it at that point. there is one spot to the lower right of my mouth that peeled much earlier (around the 3rd or 4th day) than the rest of my face and it continued to crack and re-scab for a week after -- it was super dry but also very red and sensitive. that area is currently slightly darker than the rest of my skin, which took 2-3 days longer to peel.

i know it's bad idea but i don't have a choice. and i'm a female so i wear make-up too so i can hide the redness... the scabs and the swolleness is what i will have a problem with hiding.

and this will be my 4th treatment.

magic dust -- if it's that important to you to look presentable, i would reschedule the treatment. your doctor probably wants to go to a higher setting (and that would be most valuable for you), so there's a possibility you might take longer to heal, even.

if you don't want to miss the event, just see if you can reschedule...

:)

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Unfortunately, just as I had thought in the beginning, it doesn't look like Fraxel is really effective for pitted scars, as that is all I am looking to treat. What a disappointment; I feel real shitty right now.

Are you basing this off your own experience at 70 mJ? From what I recall, you only had 1 treatment, right? You don't really see results until the 3rd treatment.

With that said, fraxel is least effective for icepicks, which is what i assume you meant when you said pitted scars.

No I have rolling/saucer scars (also known as the soft scars that fade when stretched)...EVERYWHERE. I scar even when I get a tiny little pimple. I have ALWAYS been prone to ONLY these types of scars. And the resultant scar is SOO dramatic looking it's ridiculous. I have picked up an insane amount of additional scars since accutane, even though I don't break out that much anymore. These types of scars pose the greatest difficulty to treat, according to ASDS.

I have had 2 rounds on the temple area. 1st at 70 mjs 8 passes. The second at 55 mjs 8 passes. Scars still look the same. I have had one round on the rest of the scars at 55 mjs level 8. No visisble imrpovement yet there, even on a new saucer I just got a few days ago. It's heartbreaking I just want to kill myself. This is also after having silicone microdroplet and wire brush dermabrasion on my forehead. What makes anyone think Fraxel is going to work on my skin after all of that. I am just a non-responder to acne scar treatments, pure and simple, and I can only acquire additional scars.

And the worst part is I have to schedule my next appt almost 5 weeks since my last. Is this waiting too long. They have absolutely no availabilities for anything sooner for the Fraxel slots. It's so ridiculous that something like this could be so sought after.

I have spent tens of thousands and have fought with the most extreme vigor and NOTHING can work. I've tried therapy, avoiding mirrors, trying to live with it cause it will never go away and it just doesn't work. And I keep getting new scars that are impossible to treat. It hurts too much for me to even breathe. I repeat NOTHING has worked!! This is truly a curse from the devil and I am trying to figure out what I did bad in life to deserve this. I am even considering going to someone who can lift curses, as I truly feel I have had one for over 10 years.

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Unfortunately, just as I had thought in the beginning, it doesn't look like Fraxel is really effective for pitted scars, as that is all I am looking to treat. What a disappointment; I feel real shitty right now.

Are you basing this off your own experience at 70 mJ? From what I recall, you only had 1 treatment, right? You don't really see results until the 3rd treatment.

With that said, fraxel is least effective for icepicks, which is what i assume you meant when you said pitted scars.

No I have rolling/saucer scars (also known as the soft scars that fade when stretched)...EVERYWHERE. I scar even when I get a tiny little pimple. I have ALWAYS been prone to ONLY these types of scars. And the resultant scar is SOO dramatic looking it's ridiculous. I have picked up an insane amount of additional scars since accutane, even though I don't break out that much anymore. These types of scars pose the greatest difficulty to treat, according to ASDS.

I have had 2 rounds on the temple area. 1st at 70 mjs 8 passes. The second at 55 mjs 8 passes. Scars still look the same. I have had one round on the rest of the scars at 55 mjs level 8. No visisble imrpovement yet there, even on a new saucer I just got a few days ago. It's heartbreaking I just want to kill myself. This is also after having silicone microdroplet and wire brush dermabrasion on my forehead. What makes anyone think Fraxel is going to work on my skin after all of that. I am just a non-responder to acne scar treatments, pure and simple, and I can only acquire additional scars.

And the worst part is I have to schedule my next appt almost 5 weeks since my last. Is this waiting too long. They have absolutely no availabilities for anything sooner for the Fraxel slots. It's so ridiculous that something like this could be so sought after.

I have spent tens of thousands and have fought with the most extreme vigor and NOTHING can work. I've tried therapy, avoiding mirrors, trying to live with it cause it will never go away and it just doesn't work. And I keep getting new scars that are impossible to treat. It hurts too much for me to even breathe. I repeat NOTHING has worked!! This is truly a curse from the devil and I am trying to figure out what I did bad in life to deserve this. I am even considering going to someone who can lift curses, as I truly feel I have had one for over 10 years.

ylem, YOU HAVE ONLY HAD ONE TREATMENT. you aren't going to see results yet! (regardless of what setting it was at or how many passes). your scars will not miraculously change overnight or in one month. that is not the way the treatment works, and many others including reliant have said this!

also, i'd like to just mention that anyone having a negative attitude is not going to help his or her treatment. remember the mind-body connection, people!

you are not cursed, ylem, but your outlook is really negative and i honestly think may be doing you more damage than the scars. you NEED to think positively for your own good. also please consider that others like myself who are undergoing treatment (or others who are considering it) would like thoughtful details about treatment/response and not to come here and feel down because of extreme negativity. i'm sorry to have to put it so bluntly.

5 weeks is a normal time to wait -- i know you have read that and can see it in people's signatures. people are treating anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks apart on average.

best of luck, but please cheer up! :)

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Unfortunately, just as I had thought in the beginning, it doesn't look like Fraxel is really effective for pitted scars, as that is all I am looking to treat. What a disappointment; I feel real shitty right now.

Are you basing this off your own experience at 70 mJ? From what I recall, you only had 1 treatment, right? You don't really see results until the 3rd treatment.

With that said, fraxel is least effective for icepicks, which is what i assume you meant when you said pitted scars.

No I have rolling/saucer scars (also known as the soft scars that fade when stretched)...EVERYWHERE. I scar even when I get a tiny little pimple. I have ALWAYS been prone to ONLY these types of scars. And the resultant scar is SOO dramatic looking it's ridiculous. I have picked up an insane amount of additional scars since accutane, even though I don't break out that much anymore. These types of scars pose the greatest difficulty to treat, according to ASDS.

I have had 2 rounds on the temple area. 1st at 70 mjs 8 passes. The second at 55 mjs 8 passes. Scars still look the same. I have had one round on the rest of the scars at 55 mjs level 8. No visisble imrpovement yet there, even on a new saucer I just got a few days ago. It's heartbreaking I just want to kill myself. This is also after having silicone microdroplet and wire brush dermabrasion on my forehead. What makes anyone think Fraxel is going to work on my skin after all of that. I am just a non-responder to acne scar treatments, pure and simple, and I can only acquire additional scars.

And the worst part is I have to schedule my next appt almost 5 weeks since my last. Is this waiting too long. They have absolutely no availabilities for anything sooner for the Fraxel slots. It's so ridiculous that something like this could be so sought after.

I have spent tens of thousands and have fought with the most extreme vigor and NOTHING can work. I've tried therapy, avoiding mirrors, trying to live with it cause it will never go away and it just doesn't work. And I keep getting new scars that are impossible to treat. It hurts too much for me to even breathe. I repeat NOTHING has worked!! This is truly a curse from the devil and I am trying to figure out what I did bad in life to deserve this. I am even considering going to someone who can lift curses, as I truly feel I have had one for over 10 years.

ylem, YOU HAVE ONLY HAD ONE TREATMENT. you aren't going to see results yet! (regardless of what setting it was at or how many passes). your scars will not miraculously change overnight or in one month. that is not the way the treatment works, and many others including reliant have said this!

also, i'd like to just mention that anyone having a negative attitude is not going to help his or her treatment. remember the mind-body connection, people!

you are not cursed, ylem, but your outlook is really negative and i honestly think may be doing you more damage than the scars. you NEED to think positively for your own good. also please consider that others like myself who are undergoing treatment (or others who are considering it) would like thoughtful details about treatment/response and not to come here and feel down because of extreme negativity. i'm sorry to have to put it so bluntly.

5 weeks is a normal time to wait -- i know you have read that and can see it in people's signatures. people are treating anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks apart on average.

best of luck, but please cheer up! :)

ylem's had 2 treatments, but what you said still stands...you might start seeing results after the 3rd treatment.

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.......Scars still look the same. .......It's heartbreaking I just want to kill myself. This is also after having silicone microdroplet and wire brush dermabrasion on my forehead. What makes anyone think Fraxel is going to work on my skin after all of that?.....

Interestingly, my derm (who doesn't even own a Fraxel) said that whereas a few years ago he often considered no treatment was capable of improving severe acne scarring, having seen Fraxel's results, he now suggests Fraxel in many of those cases.

But it is slow and subtle. It resurfaces incrementally to initiate dermal remodelling. It will not produce immediate or dramatic improvement.

You've got to try to think of Fraxel as an investment in the future - a 6 month time capsule. So make a mark in your calendar for November, have your 5 sessions, ignore the temporary swelling, and if you can, try to get on with other things in the meantime.

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.......Scars still look the same. .......It's heartbreaking I just want to kill myself. This is also after having silicone microdroplet and wire brush dermabrasion on my forehead. What makes anyone think Fraxel is going to work on my skin after all of that?.....

Interestingly, my derm (who doesn't even own a Fraxel) said that whereas a few years ago he often considered no treatment was capable of improving severe acne scarring, having seen Fraxel's results, he now suggests Fraxel in many of those cases.

But it is slow and subtle. It resurfaces incrementally to initiate dermal remodelling. It will not produce immediate or dramatic improvement.

You've got to try to think of Fraxel as an investment in the future - a 6 month time capsule. So make a mark in your calendar for November, have your 5 sessions, ignore the temporary swelling, and if you can, try to get on with other things in the meantime.

Agreed, though it's more like a 12 month progression. You'll also probably need more than 5 treatments.

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i have had 2 fraxel 2 sessions....

I 3 weeks post the 2nd treatment and see an improvment on the right side of my face for sure.. the left side of my face i cant see an improvment though I am confident it will improve as I just have to be patient.

I have booked in for 5 sessions all 4 weeks apart.. i booked all 5 sessions at once that way i dont have to cross my fingers and hope that they can fit me in.

If i need 6 or 7 treatment then that is what I am going to do.. after my next session I will book in for another 1 just to make sure.. if i need the 6th then i am covered...

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I heard about Fraxel through a news program, which also mentioned that Fraxel's results are only effective for up to 10 years?

For this reason my bf is disapproving and unsupportive of me undergoing treatment.

Can anyone dispel this "fact"? I would love to believe that results are permanent..

Thanks for any help!

LOL. most of the literature on fraxel is referring to wrinkles and sun damage. fraxel doesn't stop the aging clock it just restarts it by about ten years. (most people who get it doen look about ten years younger--most apparent in old people).

as for acne scars. no, you will never get "new" ones unless you get more acne.

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Unfortunately, just as I had thought in the beginning, it doesn't look like Fraxel is really effective for pitted scars, as that is all I am looking to treat. What a disappointment; I feel real shitty right now.

Are you basing this off your own experience at 70 mJ? From what I recall, you only had 1 treatment, right? You don't really see results until the 3rd treatment.

With that said, fraxel is least effective for icepicks, which is what i assume you meant when you said pitted scars.

No I have rolling/saucer scars (also known as the soft scars that fade when stretched)...EVERYWHERE. I scar even when I get a tiny little pimple. I have ALWAYS been prone to ONLY these types of scars. And the resultant scar is SOO dramatic looking it's ridiculous. I have picked up an insane amount of additional scars since accutane, even though I don't break out that much anymore. These types of scars pose the greatest difficulty to treat, according to ASDS.

I have had 2 rounds on the temple area. 1st at 70 mjs 8 passes. The second at 55 mjs 8 passes. Scars still look the same. I have had one round on the rest of the scars at 55 mjs level 8. No visisble imrpovement yet there, even on a new saucer I just got a few days ago. It's heartbreaking I just want to kill myself. This is also after having silicone microdroplet and wire brush dermabrasion on my forehead. What makes anyone think Fraxel is going to work on my skin after all of that. I am just a non-responder to acne scar treatments, pure and simple, and I can only acquire additional scars.

And the worst part is I have to schedule my next appt almost 5 weeks since my last. Is this waiting too long. They have absolutely no availabilities for anything sooner for the Fraxel slots. It's so ridiculous that something like this could be so sought after.

I have spent tens of thousands and have fought with the most extreme vigor and NOTHING can work. I've tried therapy, avoiding mirrors, trying to live with it cause it will never go away and it just doesn't work. And I keep getting new scars that are impossible to treat. It hurts too much for me to even breathe. I repeat NOTHING has worked!! This is truly a curse from the devil and I am trying to figure out what I did bad in life to deserve this. I am even considering going to someone who can lift curses, as I truly feel I have had one for over 10 years.

ylem obviously doesn't understand how this novel treatment works. her posts show impatience and frustration, which i empathize with. older treatments for acne scars are like the dark ages of cosmetic medicine.

but her ignorance and impatience with fraxel has relegated her to negativity. not only does she not understand the fractional nature and need for multiple treatments. she obviously has unrealistic expectations. if her skin is as bad as she says it is then fraxel probably won't make a noticeable difference. or it may make a difference but she might not be able to see it (emotional/mental issues).

some people even forget what they look like unless they have pictures to refer to. this is because of the gradual improvement. it may still seem like the same scars are there but they aren't as bad. but you still look for it in the mirror and find it.

i saw pictures of ylem in her old moniker. i didnt even see scars to begin with. im sure she probably less than perfect skin. but i think she's also probably BDD.

ylem, why don't you refrain from updates? for your own good. come back in 6 months to a year and give us a paragraph on your experience.

Hey guys - wow! 227 pages and counting. Anyways, I have a friend whose a regional sales director for fraxel and she gave me a cdrom full of photos, so I'm hoping I can upload it here:

Its an executable file, please scan with your virus protection if you are (and you should be!) wary of running random executables off the internet.

I always take these things with a grain of salt - if you didn't have good results you wouldn't make the CD! This thread has me thinking, however.... Luckily my friend also owns a spa so I get a bit of a discount.

Windows:

http://putstuff.putfile.com/91179/5518895

[edit - deleted link to OSX version, putfile mangled it somehow, PM me for this version]

this is the same slideshow that has been on the fraxel and reliant site for several years now.

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No I have rolling/saucer scars (also known as the soft scars that fade when stretched)...EVERYWHERE. I scar even when I get a tiny little pimple. I have ALWAYS been prone to ONLY these types of scars. And the resultant scar is SOO dramatic looking it's ridiculous. I have picked up an insane amount of additional scars since accutane, even though I don't break out that much anymore. These types of scars pose the greatest difficulty to treat, according to ASDS.

I have had 2 rounds on the temple area. 1st at 70 mjs 8 passes. The second at 55 mjs 8 passes. Scars still look the same. I have had one round on the rest of the scars at 55 mjs level 8. No visisble imrpovement yet there, even on a new saucer I just got a few days ago. It's heartbreaking I just want to kill myself. This is also after having silicone microdroplet and wire brush dermabrasion on my forehead. What makes anyone think Fraxel is going to work on my skin after all of that. I am just a non-responder to acne scar treatments, pure and simple, and I can only acquire additional scars.

And the worst part is I have to schedule my next appt almost 5 weeks since my last. Is this waiting too long. They have absolutely no availabilities for anything sooner for the Fraxel slots. It's so ridiculous that something like this could be so sought after.

I have spent tens of thousands and have fought with the most extreme vigor and NOTHING can work. I've tried therapy, avoiding mirrors, trying to live with it cause it will never go away and it just doesn't work. And I keep getting new scars that are impossible to treat. It hurts too much for me to even breathe. I repeat NOTHING has worked!! This is truly a curse from the devil and I am trying to figure out what I did bad in life to deserve this. I am even considering going to someone who can lift curses, as I truly feel I have had one for over 10 years.

ylem i just want to comment again, i'm not sure how old you are or how old you were when you started scarring, but consider too that a lot of other people on this board have been going through the same thing -- that's why we're on here and trying these treatments. you definitely aren't the only one dealing with what you might consider bad scarring, and i'd bet that a lot of others here have scarring that they'd consider worse, or acne that they'd consider worse. my acne was never terrible (i never had huge cystic boils), but just had it for a long time, from the time i was 9 years old in fourth grade until now, and i'm 33!!!! accutane made my scarring much more prominent as well -- i don't even remember having scars (and don't have them in photos) until after using accutane at 15 and 16 years old. so i have had rolling scars, just like you say you have, on my entire face, and very noticeably, for 18 years. so please remember that you're not the only one spending thousands of dollars here, because many of us have done that, and you're not the only one who has suffered through emotional or self-esteem issues that you might attribute to having scars. try going to the other boards (like the 'psychological/emotional effects' boards) and reading some people's stories -- they might offer a little perspective and help you see things a bit differently. and do remember that it's all in the perspective you bring -- seeing yourself in a more positive light and focusing on your qualities and not all the things you might not like about yourself is MUCH better for you than picking at yourself and being depressed because of something that's basically insubstantial.

people are dying all over the world right now because of war, hunger, AIDS, etc., etc., etc., and these things are so much more significant than acne scars. basically, we have nothing to complain about... :(

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I just had my 5th (and hopefully final) Fraxel (SR1500) treatment yesterday. The doctor I am seeing just got the new tip that does not require the blue dye in time for my treatment yesterday. I am curious to know if anyone else has been treated with the new tip because the side effects were much, much less than with my previous treatments! My last 3 treatments were very at a very high level (I'm not real sure on the numbers, but I believe they told me 7 Kj at level 10) and after the 3rd and 4th treatments my face was very red with pinpoint bleeding, swelling and severe dryness for several days. I felt as though I needed to stay inside for several days before I felt comfortable facing the world. After my treatment yesterday, I could tell immediately that my skin was not nearly as red and I did not experience any pinpoint bleeding. Today I am only slightly pink, a little puffy with very little dryness. I felt 100% comfortable going back to work today!

I am just curious if anyone else has experienced the same significant decrease of downtime with the new tip? The change was so significant that I was a little worried at first that my treatment was not as intense, but I was assured that it was and even a little higher than before. My doctor's office told me that other patients had experienced the same improvement. For anyone considering Fraxel, I would highly recommend finding a doctor who is using the new tip without the blue dye because the difference is amazing!

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I just had my 5th (and hopefully final) Fraxel (SR1500) treatment yesterday. The doctor I am seeing just got the new tip that does not require the blue dye in time for my treatment yesterday. I am curious to know if anyone else has been treated with the new tip because the side effects were much, much less than with my previous treatments! My last 3 treatments were very at a very high level (I'm not real sure on the numbers, but I believe they told me 7 Kj at level 10) and after the 3rd and 4th treatments my face was very red with pinpoint bleeding, swelling and severe dryness for several days. I felt as though I needed to stay inside for several days before I felt comfortable facing the world. After my treatment yesterday, I could tell immediately that my skin was not nearly as red and I did not experience any pinpoint bleeding. Today I am only slightly pink, a little puffy with very little dryness. I felt 100% comfortable going back to work today!

I am just curious if anyone else has experienced the same significant decrease of downtime with the new tip? The change was so significant that I was a little worried at first that my treatment was not as intense, but I was assured that it was and even a little higher than before. My doctor's office told me that other patients had experienced the same improvement. For anyone considering Fraxel, I would highly recommend finding a doctor who is using the new tip without the blue dye because the difference is amazing!

I just had my 4th fraxel today and was chatting with my doc about the new tip (which they have not gotten yet). She said it shouldn't make any sort of difference except for not having to use the blue dye.

Interestingly, I noticed that my swelling is much less than my other 3 times. I am also barely red. I think your faster recovery may just be because it was your 5th time. A lot of people in this thread have reported reduced recovery times over the course of the treatments.

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I just had my 4th fraxel today and was chatting with my doc about the new tip (which they have not gotten yet). She said it shouldn't make any sort of difference except for not having to use the blue dye.

Interestingly, I noticed that my swelling is much less than my other 3 times. I am also barely red. I think your faster recovery may just be because it was your 5th time. A lot of people in this thread have reported reduced recovery times over the course of the treatments.

Hi Zonk. Was it you that had a couple of excisions between Fraxel? How did they work out? Did your doc use intradermal sutures?

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I just had my 5th (and hopefully final) Fraxel (SR1500) treatment yesterday. The doctor I am seeing just got the new tip that does not require the blue dye in time for my treatment yesterday. I am curious to know if anyone else has been treated with the new tip because the side effects were much, much less than with my previous treatments! My last 3 treatments were very at a very high level (I'm not real sure on the numbers, but I believe they told me 7 Kj at level 10) and after the 3rd and 4th treatments my face was very red with pinpoint bleeding, swelling and severe dryness for several days. I felt as though I needed to stay inside for several days before I felt comfortable facing the world. After my treatment yesterday, I could tell immediately that my skin was not nearly as red and I did not experience any pinpoint bleeding. Today I am only slightly pink, a little puffy with very little dryness. I felt 100% comfortable going back to work today!

I am just curious if anyone else has experienced the same significant decrease of downtime with the new tip? The change was so significant that I was a little worried at first that my treatment was not as intense, but I was assured that it was and even a little higher than before. My doctor's office told me that other patients had experienced the same improvement. For anyone considering Fraxel, I would highly recommend finding a doctor who is using the new tip without the blue dye because the difference is amazing!

I just had my 4th fraxel done and this time it was the new tip without the blue dye. But I'm still really swollen and red. I noticed being more swollen the 1st and 2nd time. The new tip seems to hurt more than the old. The nurse said she's been having complaints that it does hurt more. She's trying new numbing cream to see if it helps.

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I just had my 4th fraxel today and was chatting with my doc about the new tip (which they have not gotten yet). She said it shouldn't make any sort of difference except for not having to use the blue dye.

Interestingly, I noticed that my swelling is much less than my other 3 times. I am also barely red. I think your faster recovery may just be because it was your 5th time. A lot of people in this thread have reported reduced recovery times over the course of the treatments.

Hi Zonk. Was it you that had a couple of excisions between Fraxel? How did they work out? Did your doc use intradermal sutures?

yeah, it was me. doc didn't use any sutures, because it was a 1mm punch. you need sutures for anything >1 mm. too early too tell on the excisions. i'd definitely not be happy if i had gotten them w/o fraxel. fraxel is helping, but i can't say how much yet.

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I had an excision with a 1mm punch and he used 1 surface stitch. Turned out well, but if you get really close up you can see a shallow, small C (incomplete C actually). I have a couple similar sized scarred pores nearby that were made worse by floats by Dr. Y, so I can really compare the improvement, which I estimate at 75+%. I would see no need to resurface this small, shallow C. I am going to do 5 more after this success with experimenting on 1.

Zonk, did your doc use dermabond? I can't imagine not trying to keep the sides together.

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I had an excision with a 1mm punch and he used 1 surface stitch. Turned out well, but if you get really close up you can see a shallow, small C (incomplete C actually). I have a couple similar sized scarred pores nearby that were made worse by floats by Dr. Y, so I can really compare the improvement, which I estimate at 75+%. I would see no need to resurface this small, shallow C. I am going to do 5 more after this success with experimenting on 1.

Zonk, did your doc use dermabond? I can't imagine not trying to keep the sides together.

Didn't use anything. I wanted him to use a stitch, but he swore it would come out better w/o a stitch. If fraxel doesn't flatten out the scars, I may have them re-excised by a plastic surgeon.

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I had an excision with a 1mm punch and he used 1 surface stitch. Turned out well, but if you get really close up you can see a shallow, small C (incomplete C actually). I have a couple similar sized scarred pores nearby that were made worse by floats by Dr. Y, so I can really compare the improvement, which I estimate at 75+%. I would see no need to resurface this small, shallow C. I am going to do 5 more after this success with experimenting on 1.

Zonk, did your doc use dermabond? I can't imagine not trying to keep the sides together.

eh sorry to ask again billyboy- but who did your recent excision, that same guy in fremont? if you're happy with him/her anyway. my derm's retiring, etc.

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I had an excision with a 1mm punch and he used 1 surface stitch. Turned out well, but if you get really close up you can see a shallow, small C (incomplete C actually). I have a couple similar sized scarred pores nearby that were made worse by floats by Dr. Y, so I can really compare the improvement, which I estimate at 75+%. I would see no need to resurface this small, shallow C. I am going to do 5 more after this success with experimenting on 1.

Zonk, did your doc use dermabond? I can't imagine not trying to keep the sides together.

Didn't use anything. I wanted him to use a stitch, but he swore it would come out better w/o a stitch. If fraxel doesn't flatten out the scars, I may have them re-excised by a plastic surgeon.

Are you guys talking about punch excisions or punch grafts?

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Hey tamara bb did the round rock location get the new fraxel yet and do you know if the westlake location has it?

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